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Merger proposal:Poodle crossbreed

I propose to merge Poodle crossbreed into this article. Poodle crossbreed is a terribly sourced article and whilst poodle crossbreds they are relatively common within the modern designer crossbreed world I don't think the subject is notable enough for a standalone article. Given there is little information about poodle crossbreeds that is reliably sourced in the current article, a redirect may suffice. Cavalryman (talk) 01:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • Support - its one reliable source informs us that they can come in a number of colours; most enlightening. Merge please, there is nothing to warrant poodle crossbreeds being treated separately from other dog crossbreeds. William Harristalk 05:21, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
65.183.144.120 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), I have moved your comments out of the discussion box above, as can be clearly seen in bolded, italicised, bright red text it is requested that it not be modified. In the above discussion the notability of Poodle crossbreed was assessed and found to be without merit given the lack of WP:Reliable sources, if you disagree you are welcome to present new sources here. Cavalryman (talk) 23:38, 24 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

I only just got interested in this article, I'd appreciate my input being taken into consideration on this. Let's extend voting for a time and get other views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.144.120 (talk) 23:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

65.183.144.120 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), the above discussion is closed, please do not modify it, your comments are perfectly visible here. Cavalryman (talk) 23:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]
You are WP:Edit warring which may result in you being banned from editing, I am happy to discuss other options but this process was conducted in accordance with all of Wikipedia's policies on the matter and all interested parties were informed. What is it you want? It seems you want to simply redirect Poodle crossbreed to List of dog crossbreeds, that does not require the above discussion to be reopened. Further, I am not sure that is an appropriate place to redirect Poodle crossbreed, it is a list article.
Further, per your edit summary at Poodle crossbreed I would welcome the input of an Admin, your edit warring is not appropriate, the above discussion should be re-closed as that action was done per policy, your subsequent objections are being discussed here now. Pinging William Harris as the other contributor to the discussion. Cavalryman (talk) 01:20, 25 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

You are edit warring, I want this change discussed in good faith before the changes are made. You do not own this page, this is a community edited page and we discuss things before prodeding. Are you saying my input here is not welcome, or is not being considered? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.144.120 (talk) 01:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I am pinging several admins for stalking, harassment, and edit warring. You literally followed me to another talk page, and closed my discussion. You then undo all my changes here while accusing me of edit warring and removing my votes in opposition to your changes. Your response is pinging a token admin who seemingly supports you on all issues. I'll be reaching above your friend on this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.144.120 (talk) 01:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IP, as I have said I welcome any admin to look at what has occurred here, and I am trying to avoid parallel discussions on the same proposal occurring on three different talk pages, all of which I have on my watchlist. You still have not answered the most critical question, what are you actually proposing? Cavalryman (talk) 02:02, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
IP, now that we have gone through the dance at ANI can I ask again, what are you actually suggesting here? It appears from your oppose !vote that you actually support redirecting Poodle crossbreed somewhere. Cavalryman (talk) 05:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

proposing a rewrite

I propose a rewrite of this article. Why is there such a long section on "designer dogs" and a bizarre subsection about "defects?" Cross breeding is not new.

The history section is also missing a great deal of juicy and well-citable detail, such as the entire and detailed origin of all the Victorian-era dog breeds that were basically just inbred lines of crosses. The Golden Retriever pedigree contains many cross breeds, such as Wavy Coated Retriever crossed with an Irish Setter. See: https://grca.org/about-the-breed/breed-history/brief-history-of-the-golden-retriever/

Right from the official breed club, and they even have an extensive bibliography.

Considering how historically important these cross breeds are in the creation of so many of our dog breeds, the history section in this article has the potential to be quite extensive and well sourced. It might also be interesting to observe which crosses were popular during which time period, and who was buying them and for what purpose and what they were called.

There are also modern genetic studies that show something of a "family tree" of dogs, where you can visually see the origins of many dog breeds and how they are mainly just inbred crosses of other dogs. For example, this excellent Nature article has such a family tree that was created with a large scale genetic survey of dogs. See Figure 1: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature08837 It is behind a paywall but I have a copy of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.144.120 (talk) 17:19, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would support all efforts to rewrite this page, it is in a pretty terrible state. Cavalryman (talk) 02:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]
I will add, breed clubs are not a reliable source for information, they should not be used to source anything. Cavalryman (talk) 02:12, 25 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]
In this case I mentioned the breed club because they have a fully sourced bibliography which can be used to verify all of their claims. Did you read the text above that I wrote?
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