User talk:Rosguill

Pending RFC description change

I've made my arguments more concise and I have provided working citations just waiting for your opinion--Yacoob316 (talk) 20:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@Rosguill: Hello, I have a pending RfC at Talk:Si Kaddour Benghabrit. Unfortunately, I did not write a very clear description (first one I did myself), and comment hasn't been forthcoming. I have also engaged in a looong discussion with the other user at Talk:Si Kaddour Benghabrit#March 2020, which others probably don't want to read through. Would it be improper to fix the RfC description now? إيان (talk) 06:05, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

إيان, It's fine to amend RfC statements, especially if no one has really responded yet. You should generally frame RfCs as a choice between two different versions of the article. From reading through the first bit of the existing discussion a decent framing could be should the article state that Abdelqader Benghabrit translated the Treaty of Fes into Arabic?.

If you'll consider my own opinion first, however: Without opining on the POV accusations (I haven't looked into them and don't intend to at this time), I think that your argumentation for crediting Abdelqader is original research. Yes it seems trivial to identify that the French government's translator translated a document in his possession, but abductive reasoning is outside of the bounds of what editors are allowed to do when referencing claims on Wikipedia. I'm willing to assume that you did this in good faith and don't think that you intentionally misrepresented the source, but ultimately I think that your arguments are pretty clearly in contravention of our policy on original research, and my recommendation would be for you to concede the point. I would suggest reading through WP:OR carefully so that you understand both the reasoning and application behind Wikipedia's policy on original research. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 07:41, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I organized my sources a little bit more, in case it helps clarify my argument:

==== * Da’wat al-Haqq: ====

"لكن الديبلوماسية الفرنسية استغلت ظروف تحول قيادة الجيش الفرنسي في فاس من وضعية التعاون العسكري إلى وضعية الإرهاب ومحاصرة السلطان، فأوفدت السفير (يوجين رينو) لمحاولة إقناع السلطان بفكرة معاهدة الحماية في محادثات طويلة كان يقوم بدور الترجمة فيها قدور بن غبريط الذي كان يحظى بثقة السلطان.

"But the French diplomacy took advantage of the circumstances of the transformation of the French army leadership in Fez from a position of military cooperation to a position of intimidation and siege around the Sultan. It sent Ambassador Eugene Regnault to try to convince the Sultan of the idea of a treaty of protection in long talks in which Kaddour Benghabrit—who had the trust of the Sultan–was playing the role of translator."

==== * Zamane: ====

"عندما وقع المغرب معاهدة الحماية في 30 مارس 1912، نشر نصها باللغة الفرنسية في العدد الأول من الجريدة الرسمية المغربية بتاريخ 1 نونبر 1912. لم تكن هناك بعد جريدة رسمية باللغة العربية، إذ لم تبدأ في الصدور إلا في فاتح فبراير من السنة الموالية. ومنذ ذلك التاريخ، احتفظ التاريخ بالنص الفرنسي لمعاهدة الحماية، وبدا وكأنه النص الوحيد الموجود، وصدرت له ترجمات عديدة فيما في كتابات المؤرخين والسياسيين. رغم ذلك، فإن هناك نصا معربا قديما بقدم المعاهدة نفسها، لكننا لا نعلم إذا ما كان نسخة عربية رسمية للمعاهدة. ترجم هذا النص قدور بن غبريط، صاحب الأدوار المتعددة من مستشار سلطاني وترجمان ومكلف بالبرتوكول، وقنصل شرفي لفرنسا. ولم يتم الاكتفاء بهذه الترجمة بل صادق عليها «بلان»، نائب القنصل الفرنسي، والترجمان الأول المفوض في المفوضية الفرنسية بطنجة. وتوجد نسخة هذه الترجمة اليوم ضمن أرشيف مديرية الوثائق الملكية بالرباط، وقد نشر نصها في الكتاب الصادر عن المعهد الملكي للبحث في تاريخ المغرب: «تاريخ المغرب: تحيين وتركيب». "

"When Morocco signed the Treaty of the Protectorate on March 30, 1912, its text was published in French in the first issue of the Moroccan Official Gazette on 1 November 1912. There was no official Arabic-language newspaper yet, as publishing in Arabic only began on February 1st of the following year. Since then, history has retained the French text of the Treaty of the Protectorate, which appeared to be the only one available, and numerous translations by historians and politicians have been published. However, there is an old text of the treaty, as old as the treaty itself, but we do not know if it is an official Arabic version of the Treaty. This text was translated by Kaddour Ben Ghabrit, a sultan's advisor, translator, protocol-incharge, and honorary consul of France. This translation was not the sole document of the treaty, but it was endorsed by the French Vice-Consul, the first commissioner of the French Legation in Tangier. The copy of this translation is now in the archives of the Directorate of Royal Documents in Rabat, and was published in the book of the Royal Institute for Research: Tārikh al-Maghrib: Taḥyīn wa-Tarkīb (The History of Morocco: Update and Synthesis)."

In other words, he translated the treaty at the time of its signing, though it might not be an official copy.

==== * Tārikh al-Maghrib: Taḥyīn wa-Tarkīb (The History of Morocco: Update and Synthesis): ====

This is the source Zamane cited at the end, with the page of the translated treaty with Benghabrit's signature appearing on page 526 (page 545 of the PDF)

==== * Treaty of Fes ====

This is the official document from the server of the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and the final page is identical to the page printed in Tariikh al-Maghreb. If features Benghabrit's signature and the text:

يشهد الواضعان خط يدهما أسفله صحة التعريب أعلاه و مطابقته للنص الفرنساوي حرفاحرفا كما يشهدان بإصلاح التاريخ

"The signatories below bear witness to the authenticity of the Arabization above and its conformity to the French text letters for letter, as they bear witness to the correctness of the date (March 30, 1912)"

According to WP:TRANSCRIPTION translations and transcription are not considered OR, and in the spirit of Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue, saying that his signature is there under this text shouldn't count as an "interpretation" of the primary source document. إيان (talk) 08:49, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate your advice and I actually conceded that I thought the user had a point. However, I tried to work with the user to find wording that we could agree on, but the user constant breach of WP:5P4 and not interested in reaching an agreement. Also, Isn't this WP:3RR: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Si_Kaddour_Benghabrit&action=history? إيان (talk) 08:49, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

إيان, re the signatures on the treaty, if we were looking to prove a claim that Benghabrit signed the document, I think we'd be ok. However, I'm not sure we can assume that his having signed the document means that he translated it. The Zamane source I think is sufficient for supporting a claim that Benghabrit translated a version of the document, but given the ambiguity in the source as to whether it was the official translation I could see an argument claiming that mention is undue. Personally, I feel like I come down more on the WP:NOTBLUE side of the fence.

That last revert (or two, given the reverted page move) is a violation of 3RR, but you are over the line as well. Any further reverts from either of you will be met with blocks. At this point it's time to wait for the RfC to resolve if no one's budging in the talk page discussion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I've been and remain happy to budge. Would something like this be appropriate given the sources above?

=== Treaty of Fes ===

The signature of Abdelqader Ibn Ghabrit to the left of that of Sultan Abd al-Hafid, certifying the Arabic translation on the Treaty of Fes, signed March 30, 1912.

In March 1912, Abdelqader Benghabrit, in his capacity as interpreter at the French Legation in Tangier and as a trusted advisor to Sultan Abdelhafid, interpreted negotiations between the sultan and the French diplomat Eugène Regnault at the Royal Palace in Fes, which culminated in the signing of the Treaty of Fes that established the French Protectorate in Morocco on March 30.

... e por acaso, o seu português é muito bom. Você ta de parabéns! إيان (talk) 01:44, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

إيان, muito obrigado. As for your suggested copy, that seems reasonable to me, but I'm not the person you need to convince at this point. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 04:07, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill Thank you. I've amended the summary on the talk page. Should I also amend it at the noticeboard? إيان (talk) 04:43, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

إيان, the noticeboard should pick it up using a bot so I don't think it's necessary to amend that. However, I don't think the statement is sufficiently neutral. IMO the most neutral framing would be {{tq|What level of detail can be supported about Benghabrit's involvement in the Treaty of Fes and then provide links to the cited material without argument. Your arguments go in the discussion section. I would suggest looking at other RfCs, you'll get a sense of the preferred format.

Also, the way the rfc bot works is that it copies everything up to the first signature. So you may want to reformat it as:

new RfC statement, signature

old statement, sign

but at a certain point it does become cleaner just to close the section and start a new section with the formatting right from the start. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 05:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry! Could you take a look at it now? إيان (talk) 05:52, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

إيان, I think that the RfC statement is fine. You may want to try to make your arguments a bit more concise (you can use {{Collapse}} to gracefully hide your comments without deleting or striking them), because as written the discussion is uninviting and I can't see people jumping to participate. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 06:10, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Great advice; thank you so much! إيان (talk) 06:30, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Rosguill, I hope you're well. This RfC is still pending, even though I've found another source that should settle the case. The other user said weeks ago that s/he would comment on my annotations, but it seems this user is filibustering. This same user also just reverted my valid edit on an separate article, also related to Moroccan history. Could you give me some advice? إيان (talk) 23:59, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

1) I don't have to do anything you want me. The RfC that you started can run its course with or without my intervention. 2) Unless I'm mistaken, you were meant to correct the mistranslation, yet you still haven't (your call, I don't care). 3) The revert you're referring to is a highly contentious bullshit that makes it look as though Smara was Moroccan (which is factually incorrect). No need to be a genius, just look at the map (in the article) that shows the French occupation areas and dates. 4) Rosguill fell for your manipulations once, I'm pretty sure they won't fall for it again. 5) If you have anything to say about me, you do the proper thing and take it to ANI. M.Bitton (talk) 00:22, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

إيان, at this point, there's still 10 days left on the RfC, at which point it should be considered "no consensus" if no one else weighs in on the discussion. You could try taking the case to the dispute resolution noticeboard, and hopefully find either a resolution through mediated discussion, or at least get help writing a concise and neutral RfC for another stab at getting community input.

Regarding the second issue, you should start a discussion on the talk page for that article. Without having looked into the issue much, I'm not sure I buy that it's out of scope given that the article is about the "French conquest of Morocco" as opposed to a more narrow scope of "French protectorate in Morocco". _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill—got it. Thanks for the explanation. إيان (talk) 03:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill I'm sorry for bringing this to your talk page, but when I tried to reach out to M.Bitton on his talk page, he reverted my edit, commenting " You response needs to be in context, and therefore belongs in the discussion (about me) that you started without my knowledge (TW)." So here it is:

:::::::::::::Hello, M.Bitton, I hope you are well. I'll respond to your comment here. I solicited the help of Rosguill because I was new to the process and I knew that user to be fair, balanced, and pleasant to work with.

I'm not familiar with ANI but I don't think I'm interested in taking this there, but I am frustrated with how our interactions have gone. In addition to using disrespectful language with me, you have unfairly characterized my actions as "manipulation," insinuated that I was willfully deceiving others, and otherwise treated me unfairly.

I don't deny that you have valid points to make. You are clearly very knowledgable—both about Wikipedia and these topics in North African history. I would like for us to resolve our differences and work together on amicable terms. I also expect to be, at a bare minimum, respected as a colleague with whom you are working toward a mutual goal of enriching the encyclopedia. إيان (talk) 04:13, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

إيان (talk) 04:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

إيان, I'm sorry, I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're asking of me, if anything. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:56, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Rosguill, I tried to reach out to M.Bitton to communicate directly so we could resolve our differences, and this user removed my message from her/his talk page telling me I should respond here, but has not yet responded. The RfC has since expired, so I amended the information about Ben Ghabrit's role in the Treaty of Fes in the article to conform with points raised in the discussion, and I also added other cited information to the article in this edit, all of which this user has just removed, stating that consensus hasn't been reached in the RfC and that the RfC should be closed by an administrator.

I'm not canvassing you to intervene, but I would be grateful for any advice on what I should do in this situation. إيان (talk) 17:10, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

إيان, the RfC looks to me like a clear no consensus, since no one appears to have participated other than you two (I also think that this outcome is clear enough that no formal close is needed). With that in mind, I'm not really sure what changes could possibly be licensed on your part, other than direct concessions to M. Bitton's position, should you feel motivated to make such concessions. In cases of no consensus, the article should reflect the stable status quo ante from before the dispute, which in this case appears to be M. Bitton's preferred version. I don't think that there's much of a chance of you being able to make any further headway on this issue, as I doubt that M. Bitton would take kindly to being asked to participate in DRN again or in another RfC being opened. I would suggest giving this a break and focusing on other articles, maybe coming back and opening a new RfC a few months from now if you feel so inclined. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:24, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Understood. Thank you for your guidance. إيان (talk) 17:16, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

References

How can I create a page that has been deleted before

Hi, I created an article about a college softball head coach named Cindy Ball-Malone. I had created other pages just like it that were approved and that one wasn’t and it was deleted. I tried recreating it and got it approved but then it was deleted again because it wasn’t approved the first time or something like that. This coach is now a candidate for a bigger job and I would like to recreate and have it approved without it being deleted. Can you help? Thanks! Eibln (talk) 23:30, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Eibln, you can open a request at WP:DRV, just follow the instructions in the second section. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:35, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill I hate to ask, but is there any way I could get you to put in the request for me to recreate the article or fix it so I can recreate the article? I am not really understanding the directions very well. I had recreated the article again after it was deleted and it was approved, but then it was deleted again because you have to get approval to recreate it. Eibln (talk) 22:22, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Eibln, in that case, could you provide me the sources that were written since the deletion of the article that you think establish the subject's notability? If I think that there's a chance that editors will agree that the new sources are enough to justify the recreation of the article, I'll file the request. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill If you are asking for all the sources I used in the article when I created it, here they are:

I have used the same types of sources for several other articles I have created and had approved. So, I don't see why these wouldn't work. Eibln (talk) 23:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Eibln, if you don't have any additional sources to provide, then I'm afraid that there's no basis for overturning the prior AfD decision. From glancing at those sources, there isn't nearly enough coverage in secondary sources to meet WP:GNG. If you've had similar articles approved in the past, odds are that they inadvertently met one of the SNGs listed at WP:NSPORTS, making the availability of secondary sources a moot point at review time. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, 3 or 4 of the sources that I gave, I added the second time around when the article was reviewed and approved. But unfortunately, it was deleted again because the article had previously been deleted. The issue I have is that I didn't even get a chance to fix it. By the time I got the notification that is was going to be deleted, it was already gone. Every other time, they have moved the article into draftspace which they didn't do with this one article. I believe these sources should be enough according to the second time it was reviewed and approved. I don't know if that changes anything. Eibln (talk) 23:35, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Eibln, I'm not really sure what that reviewer saw in the article (or if they missed the prior AfD), but given that they were an experienced and well respected page reviewer, there's a chance that others will agree. I'll post this to DRV in a bit. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

{{u|Rosguill}, Thank you so much. The Editor that had approved was very well respected. He has since retired or has gone inactive according to his talk page. He was my go to reviewer and always answered my questions. I would hope people would agree with his assessment that the article should be approved and recreated.Eibln (talk) 00:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

References

Request

Kindly confirm my new article named Lakhahi State or Lakhahi Estate on wiki as a new Page Preetikasingh (talk) 03:29, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

That is in my Sandbox Preetikasingh (talk) 03:29, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Preetikasingh, assuming you mean this article, that article is not ready to be moved to mainspace yet. I would suggest reading through our guide to writing your first article if you haven't already. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 04:08, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

I had made new draft. Please check and confirm Preetikasingh (talk) 14:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Preetikasingh, it would be a lot easier for me to figure out which drafts you want me to look at if you actually provided links to them here. At any rate, assuming you mean Draft:Lakhahi Raj, it is not ready to be an article as it has no citations to any sources whatsoever. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:08, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

If I provide citations then it will be published Preetikasingh (talk) 02:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Preetikasingh it will still need to comply with our neutrality policies and notability guidelines and not include any copyright violations, but yes adding citations is the first step to getting it published. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 02:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

What other things are required please tell Preetikasingh (talk) 02:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Preetikasingh, I'm sorry, I don't have time to answer all of your questions. I would suggest reading our guide to writing your first article. If you still have questions after reading through that article carefully, try asking at the teahouse, our noticeboard for helping new editors. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 02:56, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Citations are published Preetikasingh (talk) 03:00, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

And there is no copyright violation Preetikasingh (talk) 03:06, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I really don't have time to walk you through how to create an article. Take your questions to the teahouse. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:13, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Review

Hi Rosguill,

I notice that you recently reviewed a page that I created, 'Templemore apparitions'. Could you please let me know what a review of a page is and if these reviews are available to see? Its nothing major, just curious as I keep seeing review notifications every week and I'd like to know a bit more about that.EricthePinko (talk) 14:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

EricthePinko, the reviews are part of the new page patrol, which is a quality control process for newly created articles. Other than comments that a new page reviewer chooses to leave behind on the talk page (or in the form of a template), there isn't a formal review that gets drawn up, rather it's just a basic check that everything is in order. In particular, we're checking that the article's subject meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria, that the article is free of copyright violations, and that there aren't any other egregious issues like BLP violations or obvious promotionalism. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, Thanks! EricthePinko (talk) 18:59, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer Request Denied

My recent request denied by you and you asked - "I'm seeing a fair amount of non-neutral phrasing even in relatively recent articles."

So Please Sir explain about this and give me any example about "fair amount of non-neutral phrasing" In my recent articles. I want to learn. Thank You. Pk41946 (talk) 05:14, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Pk41946 Several of the movie articles that you created over the past year described the films in entirely too positive terms. Equally concerning, the articles appear to have been written before the film's release, and have not been updated with any coverage of critical assessment. These are both red flags as far as your understanding of the policies and guidelines that are at the core of review work, and I don't see any other strong signal that tells me otherwise. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 07:14, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you sir, I am completely satisfied with your answer, I will do my best to correct my mistakes. Pk41946 (talk) 09:11, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Clarification and request

Dear Rosguill, currently I am focused on anti-vandalism edits/reverts and under-going training both at CVUA and NPP schools. I am not doing any CSD of AfC tagging except accepting/rejecting a few valid redirect requests after proper scrutiny only. Now in CVUA, I am required to tag some CSD and submit them in assignments. So can I do it using Twinkle (I require two examples to submit in my answers for assignment 6)? Thank you. Amkgp (talk) 19:21, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Amkgp, I would take this up with your instructor and leave it to their discretion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, Ok. Thank you Amkgp (talk) 19:53, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill any updates ? As of now only two examples are required, I was thinking of providing diffs from my older correct CSD tagging in assignments (if I can retrieve them) with an explanatory note in my CVUA talk page if the decision stands no. But I don't know whether more such tagging will be required in future assignments. Thank you Amkgp (talk) 15:05, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Amkgp, there's nothing for me to update you on, I had suggested that you take this up with your instructor. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:03, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

New page reviewer right

Hello @Rosguill:, I am currently looking for more ways to contribute to Wikipedia/a hobby to start participating in besides small copy editing and the random pages patrol of which I just recently started participating in, and I was wondering if you had some tips for me to possibly join the new page patrol and what I should do to get the permission temporarily, thanks. ExemplaryScholar (talk) 13:15, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

ExemplaryScholar, I would suggest that you try contributing to areas related to reviewing that don't require any special permissions. In particular, participating at AfD, volunteering at articles for creation and/or creating new articles yourself are good ways to demonstrate that you understand the relevant policies. Read through the notability guidelines carefully, as understanding them is crucial to work in these fields. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:08, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Alright, much appreciated, thank you. ExemplaryScholar (talk) 18:43, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Tell me that how can I be a new page reviver Preetikasingh (talk) 14:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

The above advice is generic, there's really nothing else for me to add. That having been said, based on the drafts that you keep asking me to review, I would say that you are a long way from demonstrating that you understand Wikipedia's policies and guidelines well enough to review articles. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Sig

I hope you don’t mind if I copy your little signed, from sig for mine. Thanks, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 18:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, feel free, I kinda doubt I'm the first to do that, and I've seen some people copy way more of my signature without asking for permission lol. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:52, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Just wanted to tell you lol. Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 20:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Rosguill, hope you dont mind as I copied your signature for my own use, actually I liked your signature when I first saw it and honestly I cant think of a better sig myself, if you have any objections I can change it. Thanks. _signed, Antila' ^talk 05:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Antila, feel free to keep it, but I'd encourage you to think of a further variation on the theme, even if only for your own sake (other editors may find it weird that you're mimicking my signature that closely). You can find more inspiration here, or littered across any active noticeboard. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 05:46, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, I have changed my signature. Antila talk 13:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Antila, looks nice! _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh no, I have started a wave of Rosguill sig takers! Lol, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 16:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

FYI

[1] (This editor's recent behavior is ... very strange.) --JBL (talk) 21:54, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Joel B. Lewis, I wrote a polite warning on their talk page and will keep an eye on the situation. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:03, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! --JBL (talk) 22:03, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

And thanks again for cleaning up the whole weird mess. --JBL (talk) 01:39, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Joel B. Lewis, no problem, although boy that went downhill fast. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:42, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for granting my request

Hi! I just wanted to say thank you for granting my new page reviewer request. I'll be sure to do the required 10-20 reviews before the two weeks are up. I'm very excited to have a new tool to help out! Cheers, Paradoxsociety 07:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Paradoxsociety, no problem, feel free to stop by if you need any guidance. If you're ever stuck while reviewing an article and aren't sure what the right call to make is, I'd recommend watchlisting it, making a note of what your gut intuition about the correct course of action is, and then see how the next reviewer to come along handles it. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 07:47, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Rosguill. So I decided to get started tonight after reading through the tutorials and such. I started off trying to pick two articles from the back of the queue and noticed that they had both been recently converted from redirects to articles. I suppose I must have missed or misunderstood WP:NPPREDIRECT towards the bottom of the tutorial. Would you mind taking a quick look at my last few contribs starting with Talk:Unique identifier and let me know what, if anything, I should have done differently, and separately what I should do for those two articles at this point? I'd love to sign up for your training as well if you'd be willing to have me. Paradoxsociety 05:00, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

To clarify, as I've moved onto other tasks for the moment, I am referring to the five edits in my contribs log starting at 2020-05-08T22:19:22. Paradoxsociety 05:14, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Paradoxsociety I think you have the right intuition about both the Unique identifier and the space shuttle articles––I'd actually already looked at them myself. However, they have been very recently created. As such, there's a chance that the editor whose work you undid (or criticized) is going to get defensive and/or angry (although it looks like you've got a sign of good faith on at least one front, which is always nice). Unless the article has blatant issues like obvious vandalism, it's usually a good idea to wait until it's been left alone for at least a day to give editors time to develop articles. In the case of Unique identifiers, it looks like that's one editor working unilaterally so when it's sat for long enough you can just revert and give your reasoning. On the shuttles article, because there's already been a recent consensus at Talk:Reusable_launch_system#Splitting_proposal_12_April_2020, it should be challenged on the article talk page (although it's still best to give it time to breathe). These aren't major errors or formal policy, but I think that if you follow this advice people will get mad at you less often. At this point I think that you should just follow through on both of these in good faith, but your intuition is in the right place. You may want to propose moving the conversation currently happening on Pancho's talk page to the article talk page so that other editors interested can participate more easily.

An additional note is that the very back of the queue is always a bit choppy because articles are sorted by creation date, not date added to the queue. As such, you end up seeing a lot of articles that were recently converted from articles to redirects or vice versa. It's probably the most difficult part of the queue to patrol because you run into both a lot of vandalism, and a lot of good faith editors who just don't happen to write C-class articles in the first few hours of their existence. Edit wars often end up there too. I'd suggest jumping forward to the back of the cliff when you're just starting out, which is the place where the real backlog begins and it's actually articles that were created 103 days ago (or however far back it's stretching at this moment). _signed, Rosguill ^talk 05:33, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the detailed analysis and feedback Rosguill. The user who was working on the UIN page ended up getting blocked for sockpuppetry today so I guess that ends the discussion on that one for now. As for Pancho's stuff, it looks like the reusable spacecraft article has been expanded a bit today. I moved the discussion to the talk page. At this point should I just discuss informally there for a few days? Maybe tag the articles for merging and start a formal discussion? In the meantime I'll move back to the other side of the queue so that I can maybe find a few easier cases as I get started. Thanks again. Paradoxsociety 03:38, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Paradoxsociety, at this point it's pretty clear that they're going to keep working on it and another reviewer has already marked it as approved so I think you can just let that one go. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Understood, will do! Paradoxsociety 04:09, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Heavenly horses

It's a shame when you spent a lot of time writing an article and your work was removed. Okay, I'll do as you say.

I still don't understand you, on what grounds did you delete my article? Why delete the whole article? You would have warned me and I would have corrected it. Or do you think that the content of the article repeats other articles? If you think so, you have not even read my article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rialex217 (talk • contribs) 02:56, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Rosguill. I was about to AFD that article when you reverted it. It appears that the purpose of this fork was the three unreferenced paragraphs in the middle, promoting the object depicted. Kanguole 21:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Kanguole, I see, that seems like a reasonable explanation. Tbh I'm willing to bet that there is some sort of article that could be written at Heavenly horses that would be worth keeping, but the article as it existed prior to me restoring the redirect was not a productive step in that direction. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

• Good afternoon, Rosguill.

Why did you delete my article for no reason?

There was no article on the page at all.

I wrote it, and you ruined my work. The look of Chinese one-sided historians doesn't show the breadth of nomadic history. I'm asking you to restore my article. If I have to, I'll supplement the article further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rialex217 (talk • contribs) 02:14, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Rialex217, you can read my reasoning in my edit summary for that edit, which I'll include again here: good-faith revert, seems to contain a lot of WP:OR, non-neutral language, and hard-to-parse prose, and appears to contradict better-written content at Tianma, War of the Heavenly Horses. Consider working on a draft before moving to mainspace and/or expanding those other articles. I'll add to that that I should have also linked Ferghana horse as another article with more information about the subject, as well as Kanguole's objections which you can read above your comment in this section. Do you have any response to these arguments? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 02:21, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Good afternoon

I strongly disagree with Kanguole one-sided Chinese views on Chinese history.

The history of China is not only the history of the Chinese people, but also the history of many other nations that have lived and are living on Chinese territory. You do not show the views of other nations on history.

If there are any flaws in the article, I'll fix them. But you don't have to remove alternative views of history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rialex217 (talk • contribs) 02:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

If you have an issue with the content of other articles, the solution is to edit those articles, not to create a fork that includes your preferred narrative. If you're right about the other articles being one-sided, then you're doing yourself a disservice by siloing off this information into a separate article, as that will do nothing to improve the existing article. My objection to the article has nothing to do with your views vs. Chinese historiography, but I am concerned that you provided insufficient sources to support your claims. If you still think that it's necessary to create a new article, I would suggest using the Articles for creation process so that you can receive coaching from editors about how to properly cite and format articles. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 02:31, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I've been looking at the history of changes to existing articles, Kanguole won't let me amend them. I can write a new big article about heavenly horses and paste it into existing articles. But I'm not happy with the title of the article. A heavenly horse is not equal to a Ferghana horse, that's not right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rialex217 (talk • contribs)

I would suggest as a productive first step, that you should collect all of the sources that you want to use to write content about horses in Central Asian culture. Once you have that, assess how the sources refer to the subject. Are they writing about "heavenly horses", "Ferghana horses" or do they call the topic something else? Once you've figured that out, you'll have your answer as to where the content needs to go, and then we can figure out whether it's better to write a new article or to adapt an existing one. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 02:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:Bsn

I reverted your edit because it left a mess behind, since you didn't change any of its existing redirects to Template:BSicon-name before retargeting it. AlgaeGraphix (talk) 22:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

AlgaeGraphix, my bad for not fixing the incoming links, but the better way to resolve this would have been to fix the links in accordance with the discussion outcome. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:28, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Request of adoption

Dear User:Rosguill; I modified my wikipedia name to the fictitious "Count Von Aubel", but you already helped me once reviewing a few modifications I made to a Geometry article and providing me with useful suggestions. Would you consider again the possibility to adopt me? I am going to write soon a new Geometry article in which probably you are not very much interested, but I am planning also to write a couple of "biographies" which are considered the most difficult ones. Here I would really appreciate your help. Hope to hear from you; Best Regards; Count Von Aubel (talk) 16:52, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Count Von Aubel, hello again! What kind of biographies were you looking into writing, and what kind of assistance are you anticipating that you might need? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:30, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Dear User:Rosguill, happy to hear from you. One is about a country-blues band from Pisa, maybe it cannot really be considered a biography, it would be an article regarding the band, simply. They are not worldwide renowned, I think they attended a few international contests (Europe and United States), achieving good results and they published a few studio albums. The second one is about a British actor, as well not worldwide renowned, he mostly appeared in advertising spots and minor roles in movies (one movie was quite popular: In the name of the father). Of course I am not confident in writing such articles and I have minor conflicts of interest in the sense that I know some members of the band and I am in a correspondence with this actor. About him, I am not sure if he will be happy me to write about him in wikipedia and therefore I would prefer to ask him first. Maybe you can already point out if these subjects can be considered notable, and of course, you can help me with the exposition as I am not a native English speaker, but also, I am do not posses high expository skills. Thank you very much for your attention and Best Regards; Count Von Aubel (talk) 18:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Farhad Salafzoon

Hi. I noticed that you revert my edits. Please revert your edits. In case of his last name, please see his Instagram and other pages.  MrInfo2012  Talk  17:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

MrInfo2012, I didn't revert you because your edits were wrong, but rather because you did a WP:COPYPASTE move. Such moves disrupt Wikipedia's edit history, which could cause us legal problems if left unchecked. I see that you've started a move request, which is the correct way to resolve this issue (although I think that you left a typo in it, as you're currently suggesting to move Salafzoon –> Salafzoon). I would act on it myself, but last time I closed what I thought was an uncontroversial move request before waiting the suggested week-long waiting period people got quite annoyed at me, so I'm going to hold off for now. If no one's acted on the request a week from now, let me know and I'll be able to close it. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your cooperation. You can see his name on his Instagram page here. Also I do have his passport and if you provide me a way, I can show you his correct identity data. A week is so long for a page renaming. Please so so something.  MrInfo2012  Talk  18:58, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

MrInfo2012, please try to be patient. Discussions on Wikipedia often take months to resolve, and even more months for someone to determine what the result was. One week is rather short in the grand scheme of things. A passport is not necessary, or even desired, as the article's title should reflect how Salafzoon is referred to in reliable sources (although it does appear that they prefer the oo-spelling so there doesn't appear to be any conflict). I would note, however, that if you have access to Salafzoon's passport, you are likely to have a conflict of interest with the subject and should probably disclose this on your user page before making further edits. You can find an explanation of how to make such a disclosure at WP:COI. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:39, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Autopatrolled request denied

I have recently applying for Autopatrolled rights but you are denied my request by asking- "even from just looking at the most recent article you've created, Sabrang Film Awards the mountain of citations at the end of the first section suggests that your articles could benefit from an independent review." So can I not give much citation on any article and what is this independent review. Please Ask About this. Pk41946 (talk) 08:27, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Pk41946, here's an essay explaining some of the problems with providing too many citations. Generally speaking, you almost never need more than one or two citations at the end of a sentence. The "independent review" is just new pages patrol, and the only purpose of autopatrol is to have your articles exempted from it. I would expect editors applying for permissions to have an understanding of what these permissions do. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for reply Pk41946 (talk) 19:20, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Adopt-a-user

Hi Rosguill,

I came across the Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user project, and was very happy to discover that a mentorship project did exist.

There are some questions I have (often) and A LOT of a need for independent ״outside״ review on my contributions. As Daniel Kahneman once noted, intuition is the result of multiple cycles of action and feedback (not directly quoted). Having a tier 1 guide and mentor will (hopefully some day) make me a tier 1 contributor myself.

In terms of what I enjoy doing on Wikipedia - I LOVE emptying backlogs, particularly complex and complicated ones - promotional content, lack of citations etc. Also, I sometimes dabble in writing - if I come across anything noteworthy, I try to make it into an article or section. I already accumulated some experience and have authored a bit and would appreciate if you had a look. Both In terms of my application for adoption and in general.

Should I accepted, I humbly guarantee I will ALWAYS google and rtfm before asking, and make you proud in the end. Pratat (talk) 12:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Pratat, what sorts of articles/backlogs are you particularly looking for assistance with? And what kind of guidance were you hoping to receive? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:59, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill Thank you for your reply! So far, what I found most interesting are fixing promotional articles, as these require both copy-edit, grammar corrections (often), general cleaning up, enhancing and/or finding sources, noticing the implication of every word and term used and thinking long and hard on whether the article adheres to Wikipedia policies. I had some legal training and doing these fixes warms up the thought muscles associated with that training. In addition, it does give a jolt of pleasure to fix an article which was marked for fixing a year, two, three ago and emptying the backlog on which it is. I mostly like and . Sometimes, when time is limited I do lighter fixes - wikilinks, additional citations etc. As for the guidance - ideally, I would do corrections and improvements to an article (significant ones, not adding wikilinks or coordinates...), report to you on having it done, and receive feedback whether or not I did what needed to be done, what part of it, what policies should I have read more carefully etc, what else needs to be done etc. In addition, I might ask some other questions as well - "where should I do XXX", but these will not be significant or take much of your time. Thank you, Pratat (talk) 07:26, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Pratat, I'd be happy to provide that sort of support. Given that you mentioned both an interest in clearing backlogs and a legal background, would you be interested in getting involved in new pages patrol? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 07:43, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, It would be my utmost pleasure! Pratat (talk) 08:18, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Pratat, great to hear. Now, depending on how well you think you understand notability guidelines and other procedures relevant to NPP, there's two ways to proceed from here. If you think that you understand the relevant guidelines fairly well, then I can confer the permissions for a trial period, and you can start reviewing articles while checking in with me periodically, similar to how you were proposing going about copyediting. Alternatively, if you think you might need to spend some time studying and practicing the relevant material, I can also teach you a more formal course through the WP:NPPSCHOOL, which is a fairly thorough series of lessons in the various aspects of new page reviewing. The NPPSCHOOL curriculum takes about a month to get through if you prioritize working on it (which you are not required or necessarily expected to do), although it depends a bit on what areas you actually need to work on (e.g. if you have no issues with say, identifying original research, we can run through that module fairly quickly). Let me know what you think sounds better. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:30, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, I feel I do need to know much more and should start at WP:NPP and all the other essential and recommended reading suggested there. Pratat (talk) 08:36, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Pratat, ok once you've made it through that reading let me know how you want to proceed. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your close at Talk:Equinox and subsequent work retargeting redirects - much appreciated. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:54, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ggg3243

Blocked all three. Doug Weller talk 12:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

NPP School

Hey Rosguill, would you mind teaching me in the NPP School. I pick you as you are in PST the same as me. Thanks, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 17:45, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, sure thing, I'll set things up for you in a bit. In the meantime, here are some helpful scripts and gadgets for NPP work that you should install if you haven't already:

• If you haven't installed it yet, you should definitely set up WP:TWINKLE. If you already have Twinkle installed, please go to Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences and enable "Keep a log in userspace of all CSD nominations" and " Keep a log in userspace of all PROD nominations". This will allow you, me, and other editors to view your track record with these two deletion protocols (AfDs can be checked here).
• User:Lourdes/PageCuration.js, which adds a link to the new page queue next to the Sandbox and Preferences links at the top of your UI

• User:Primefac/revdel.js, which adds an interface for requesting copyright revision deletions in the More tab next to page history

• User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js, a script which streamlines the process of moving an article to draft space (use sparingly!)

• User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js, which automatically searches for a page's prior deletions and AfD discussions. If it finds anything, it will add a tiny link next to the article's title

• User:Galobtter/Shortdesc helper.js, adds a nice UI for writing short descriptions for articles _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:54, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Cool thanks, I’m going in to a class so I see you in a bit. Thanks, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 17:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, no rush, but whenever you're ready to begin, I've posted the first questions at User:Rosguill/The4lines NPPSCHOOL. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

List of Sword Art Online: Alicization -- Deletion of episode list page

Re: List_of_Sword_Art_Online:_Alicization_episodes
Where is the discussion / request for moving this page?
There was a substantial amount of summary information that was not ported over back to the general series page.
--GimmeChoco44 (talk) 07:54, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

GimmeChoco44, it was made through a G6 deletion request of a redirect from Sword Art Online: Alicization to List of Sword Art Online: Alicization episodes. There wasn't anything in that page's history other than redirects, so I'm not sure what this additional content you're referring to is. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. The List of Episodes had plot summaries for each of the episodes, to which I contributed several times as a copy editor. Now that the List has been redirected to the main series page, there are no descriptions for those episodes.

Several other anime series have a similar structure, including the previous arcs of the Sword Art Online series. I'm surprised by this redirect request and the G6 criteria does not seem to match the actual content that was removed. Since I can't find any documentation on this case, would I be justified in reverting the move to (a) initiate a Talk discussion and/or (b) identify a relevant point in the page's revision history leading up to the redirect? --GimmeChoco44 (talk) 19:17, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

GimmeChoco44 This is all rather confusing. The article currently at Sword Art Online: Alicization is the same article that was at List of Sword Art Online: Alicization episodes; I didn't convert the prior to a redirect so much as move it to the current location and leave a redirect behind. Any removal of content would be in the page's history. Looking at the page more carefully, it looks like the short summaries you contributed are still in the article's source code, but aren't displaying for some reason. Even weirder, old revisions don't seem to display the summaries correctly either, despite having edit summaries that suggest that people were actively working on the article and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. I note that many of the old revisions when rendered today appear to use templates that are currently redlinked. My guess is that somewhere along the line, an in-use template was removed, and the attempt to move the content to a new template included syntax errors which broke rendering for the summaries. I don't think that the page move had anything to do with it, however. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:55, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I didn't think to check the source code -- yes, it appears that the summary data is intact, but there is an error in table formatting that is preventing the text form being displayed. I'll bring it up on that page's Talk section to see if we can get someone with table expertise to help us out.-- GimmeChoco44 (talk) 02:50, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

ANI

Hi Rosguill, just a heads-up really. I don't disagree that that discussion was not leading anywhere productive, but I think that WP:CBAN explicitly prohibits closing a community ban discussion before 24 hours have elapsed. Not sure what benefit there would be to reopening it, so I'm not going to revert your close, but that close might be challenged. Let me know if you think I'm mistaken about this. GirthSummit _(blether) 08:17, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Girth Summit thanks for the heads up, I wasn't aware of that rule but stand by my decision to close given the state of the discussion at the time. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:18, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, no worries. As I said, I don't have a problem with the call, and it doesn't look like anyone else does - just something to be aware of. GirthSummit _(blether) 18:10, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Your comments on my Francesco Ferramosca page

Francesco Ferramosca was famous in South Africa over 100 years ago, so you can imagine that getting articles, references, citations is not easy. I have been to the British Library many times to look through old magazines and journals, and made copies of the relevant pages with their references. I also have a old family scrapbook containing lots of information and cuttings. I am not sure what particular reference(s) you are concerned about, but please let me know and I will try to add more information. I suspect you looked at the links where I could find an online link, these refer to places he played, in early Johannesburg. If you looked at the 3 references numbered 1,3 and 4 (which I have copies of, but no online link), you would see him mentioned many times. Perhaps you could explain to me how to reference these journals for which I have copies? Can I load them into say Flickr and then reference that link here? Acferrad (talk) 15:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Acferrad, either email me a scan of the sources using the "Email this user" option in the sidebar of this page, or transcribe some relevant quotes in a section on Draft talk:Francesco Ferramosca. Provided that the content you transcribe isn't something totally absurd, I'll be willing to take you at your word that it's what's in the source. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:21, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill sure will do... if I can find the "email this user" link. I cannot see it, can you help? Acferrad (talk) 17:41, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Acferrad, it should be in the far-left sidebar of this page, under the Wikipedia logo, under the subheader "Tools". You may have an easier time finding it by just pressing ctrl-F (on Windows, cmd-F on Mac) to search for the text in the page. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:45, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill yes I used ctrl-F to look for it, but nothing. All that is under Tools is: What links here / Related changes / User contributions / Logs / Mute preferences / View user groups / Upload file / Special pages / Permanent link / Page information. Acferrad (talk) 17:51, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill I found it, I didn't have my email address set up! Acferrad (talk) 17:55, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill I sent them via email (as links as I couldn't see how to attach files), what happens now? Acferrad (talk) 18:55, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Acferrad, I'll review them in a bit and get back to you. If it's enough to establish notability, I'll go ahead and move the article back to mainspace. Otherwise, I'll leave additional comments on the article's talk page and ping you to it. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:58, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Notability of Virgin Radio spin-off stations

Hello! I am slightly puzzled as to how you have concluded that articles on Virgin Radio Anthems and Virgin Radio Chilled do not meet WP:GNG, but seemingly articles on the third spin-off, Virgin Radio Groove, (and its long-defunct namesake, Virgin Radio Groove (2000)) do? My edits on this series of articles stem from me attempting to clean-up the information in Wikidata on these topics: (and, obviously, one WP article cannot link to multiple WD entries). DrFrench (talk) 08:23, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

DrFrench, the answer is that I didn't conclude that. I came across Virgin Radio Anthems and Virgin Radio Chilled in the new pages queue. Virgin Radio Groove appears to have existed as an article for a much longer time, and predates the existence of the new page patrol so it has never been formally reviewed. Virgin Radio Groove (2000) appears to be a brand new article that you created from scratch (as opposed to converting an existing redirect) so it's still in the new pages queue and hasn't been reviewed yet.

As for the implicit question of whether lining up English Wikipedia articles to Wikidata entries supersedes the question of if the subject meets WP:GNG conventionally, I don't have a good answer for that. I can see the benefit of reflecting the structure of Wikidata, but we're also generally not supposed to dictate Wikipedia content on the basis of the existence of content on other wikimedia projects. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:12, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

The Virgin Radio Groove article was a bit of a mess, with information relaing to both iterations of the brand. As the Virgin Radio Groove name seems most appropriate to use for an article for the current iteration, it seemed best to split-out the infomation relating to the previous iteration into a new article. But thanks for the info and your thoughts. DrFrench (talk) 17:32, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Request

Hi! English wikipedia Please allow me to IP block exemption and Confirmed users. trest me(Me global IP block exemption There are teams But not working I want to contribute to the English wiki Please give me this right) I use a VPN to connect to sites Tor,vpn or anonymous proxy abroad, as I do not want to block my account .Thank you 103.25.250.242 (talk) 03:31, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

To be honest I'm not terribly with the policy covering this area, but from reading WP:IPECPROXY it looks like enabling proxy editing is something that we only grant to editors with an established track record on a registered account. I'm afraid there isn't much I can do to help. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Reviewing my pages. BoldLuis (talk) 18:29, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Redirection of "Mia Kim" page is error

The relevant secondary coverage covers Mia Kim as a currently performing solo performer who is merely correctly identifying herself as also being one of The Kim Sisters; it is not at all ‘in the context of The Kim Sisters’. Unlike Mia Kim, Sue Kim in fact has no notability outside The Kim Sisters and has never been a solo performer, yet you do not redirect Sue Kim’s page? Wthtvofdm (talk) 23:33, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Wthtvofdm, I didn't see anything when reviewing the provided sources, but maybe I missed something. Could you identify which source you think has significant secondary coverage outside of the context of the Kim Sisters? As for why I redirected one article or not the other, I was just patrolling the New pages feed and came across Mia Kim. I was not aware that Sook-ja Kim existed, and have now redirected that article as well after merging relevant content to The Kim Sisters. Wikipedia is a volunteer project, and as such guidelines are not always enforced consistently due to a lack of reviewers. That inconsistency in itself, however, is not a justification for the creation of further content that goes against our guidelines. For more information, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:40, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

DRN Volunteer Roll Call - Action Required

There has been no roll call since November 2017 so with that said, it is time to clean up the volunteer list. Please go to the Roll Call list and follow the instructions. If no response is received by May 30, 2020, it will be assumed that you no longer wish to participate and you will be removed as a DRN volunteer. Thank you for your attention to this and for helping Wikipedians in their dispute processes.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} at 12:08, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Mademoiselle Striptease

What Do you consider a reliable Source? I have a ripped DVD right in front of me. I have sadly no information on the naming of the title of the 1956 movie Mademoiselle Strip-tease (Visa de Controle Cinematographique No 19.004) also known as Mademoiselle Striptease and the naming of the 1956 movie starring Brigitte Bardot with the original title En effeuillant la marguerite which was among other titles also distributed as Mademoiselle Striptease. So we have to movies that are known by the same title produced in the same country in different years. Just claiming one doesn't exist because the IMDB isn't a reliable source is not a valid option. BTW, the trailer for it can be found via google for a english language version titled as the Fast Set here: [2] using the search term Mademoiselle Strip-Tease" 1957 Doll (Title, year and the surename of one of the stars) I'm not active on wikipedia, but on other mediawiki sides, so I don't know the exact proceedings in creating a new artice, which seems to be necessary, but I humbly suggest creating an Article under the Name Mademoiselle Strip-Tease for the 1957 movie which also shows a link on Plucking the Daisy above the TOC. The redirects have to be sorted out, of course. --2001:A61:1012:B201:7D10:B34A:B1D7:5DF (talk) 10:07, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

In order for a Wikipedia article to be created, we need significant coverage in secondary, independent reliable sources. Simply proving its existence does not establish that we should write a Wikipedia article about it. The kind of coverage that would be standard for establishing the notability of the film would be film reviews by professional publications, and/or academic papers analyzing the film or its cultural impact. Trailers or physical copies of the film itself are not usable sources for these purposes, as they are not independent or secondary. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:34, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

OK - how about the Entry in a different movie database? [3]. All other sources I know on the top of my head are at librarys that thanks to COVID19 are at the moment not accessible. --2001:A61:104A:CD01:1CEE:4759:111C:BCF8 (talk) 18:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Movie databases may be usable for confirming specific claims, but they don't contribute to meeting notability guidelines because they are tertiary sources, not secondary. I'm afraid that you are going to need to provide secondary sources to make a case for the article. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:42, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

I am not making a case for an article, I'm making a case for a redirect pointing to the wrong target. I am not claiming that the 1957 movie (aviable on amazon [4] is notable like the 1956 one starring Brigitte Bardot, IHMO it's a stinker.

I personaly prefer a stub over a red link over simply wrong information. --2001:A61:105A:1201:1CEE:4759:111C:BCF8 (talk) 11:12, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid you misunderstood me: notability on Wikipedia has a specific meaning and is the baseline method for establishing whether a subject gets an article or not. If a subject is not notable, we don't write an article for it, not even a stub. Meanwhile, the sources for Plucking the Daisy establish that "Mademoiselle Strip-tease" was an alternative title used for the film's US release, and therefore is a valid redirect target for as long as we don't have another article by that title. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:58, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

A little help needed

Hi Rosguill. I hope you remember me - edit warring, "oblast", and so on. Yesterday I stated clearly: I'm backing off. They wanted "oblast", so be it. Today though I had another unpleasant encounter with user JzG - I said multiple times I'm done with it and the guy again starts with commenting my behavior and attitude ("problematic user", some mumbo-jumbo on blocking me). He/she can comment my behavior whilst I cannot point out that I'm not doing anything to "oblast" thing or Kaliningrad and, obviously, he/she must've missed that out? What's that suppose to be? Where's the diversity of opinions and equality? Pumped ego of a person with administrative rights telling me to yield because he/she's an admin? Is that the real Wikipedia from insider's point of view? If so, I will consider to back off completely, because this is sick. Tell me what you think, please. You seem to be a reasonable person basing on our constructive conversation. Maybe I don't fit Wikipedia. One of the science's principles is to challenge one's opinion. I dare to do that with effects - you can see for yourself... TIA. Programmer Physicist (talk) 13:01, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Programmer Physicist Assuming you're talking about the further edits to Talk:Baltic Sea, I think that they were probably unaware of the discussion we had at 3RR, weren't sure whether you were actually going to make good on your promise to let the issue rest, and felt like they needed to issue a warning. At this point, if you just let the matter drop and stop replying to their edits I think everyone will be able to move on. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for reviewing and tagging the many redirects I've been creating lately. A presumably tedious and mostly thankless task, but one that absolutely needs to be done. CJK09 (talk) 21:19, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

CJK09, for being such a thankless task, I end up getting thanked a surprising amount. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Dovid Harris (rabbi)

Hi, I just got the ping that you marked this as reviewed. I was actually going to CSD this, so I went ahead and did. I think I got the right CSD. Can you delete it? I moved the page to the correct name and it didn't need the disambig and it ended having a few moves in the process so you have this page that's not necessary. Also, I'm wondering why my pages aren't auto-reviewed since I am a NPP and a reviewer which doesn't make sense, I can create a page and then mark it myself, which is odd. Thanks. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 21:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Sir Joseph, deleted the page, although the correct CSD code would have been G7, not G14 (which is only for redirects that actually include "disambiguation" in the title. NPP does not exclude your contributions from review, and from a technical perspective it shouldn't let you mark your own creations as reviewed (there are some edge cases that I've noticed for articles that are created from redirects, or moved from draftspace after being created by a different editor) _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:17, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, well I meant I'm a patroller and a reviewer and I've seen the link to mark as reviewed. How do I get the access to be auto-reviewed if it's not automatic? I don't create redirects or articles that often but it'll be nice to have that it doesn't have to wait to be reviewed. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 21:20, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Sir Joseph WP:Autopatrol is what you're looking for, although it may be declined on the basis of you having an active TBAN. Regarding you seeing the "mark patrolled" text on articles that you've created, if you come across an example of an article where you see that, I'd appreciate it if you could drop a link in WT:NPR, since it may be a bug. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:27, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, if I see it again, I'll post there. I don't think my TBAN should be a problem. it's not a problem now. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 21:31, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Pregunta aleatoria

Hola Rosguill (sí, yo habla español y esta pregunta es solo por diversión) Solo quería preguntarte algo en otro idioma. ¿por qué es tan grande la nueva cartera de pedidos de la página? ¿Es porque no hay demasiados rewivers o qué? Gracias, no dudes en responder en español. Firmado,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 00:28, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, pues es por que hay muchos más artículos nuevos escritos que editores listos para revisarlos. Se ha puesto peor el desequilibrio últimamente porque se retiró uno de los reviewers que trabajaba más duro que todos, y también conozco unos cuantos otros que en los últimos meses han rebajado el tiempo que trabajan en NPP específicamente. También creo que gracias al covid se ha subido más rapido la cantidad de nuevos articulos que la cantidad de nuevos reviewers. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:45, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah, eso tiene sentido, un placer hablar contigo en español. Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 00:50, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, igualmente. Creo que en los últimos dos años que yo he participado en NPP, lo más bajo que he visto la cartera fue con dos o tres mil articulos, y lo más alto aparte del momento actual tuvo como 8-9 mil. Según lo que recuerdo haber oído de otros que han trabajado por aquí por más tiempo, cuando empezó el proyecto de NPP, solo alcanzaban revisar una decima parte de los articulos nuevos. Entonces, si estamos en un momento duro, pero antes ha sido peor, y el tamaño de la cartera cambia bastante. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:55, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Te creo mirando las listas. Parece moverse mucho, como a veces es bajo y otros alto. Probaría mi griego contigo, pero parece que no lo hablas. Gracias, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 01:00, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

jajaja, quizás algún día tratare de aprenderlo. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:20, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

jaja, un día, un día ..... Recuerdo haber visto a mis padres escribir jajaja y dije: "¿Por qué jajaja por qué no Hahaha?". Me gustan los idiomas, pero nunca tengo tiempo para aprenderlo. ¿Cómo los aprendiste a todos? Escuela, autodidacta? Gracias, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 01:28, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Una combinación de los dos...mi familia hablaba muchísimos idiomas y entonces aprendí ingles y español como lenguas maternas, pero también oía varios otros por la casa. Hebreo aprendí en la escuela primaria, y estudie alemán y ruso en la universidad. Gracias a mi trabajo me han enseñado japones, y los demás con duolingo. Ahorita voy con el vietnamita...no se que tanto voy a acabar hablando, pero por lo menos puedo entender algo de leída y de la gramática. Próximos me dan ganas árabe y hindú, árabe por razones de familia y hindú para ayudar con NPP. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 02:10, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Perdón por la respuesta tardía, interesante, aprendí inglés porque estoy en los Estados Unidos, aprendí español porque mis dos padres son de la ciudad de México y se mudaron a Chicago. Estoy tratando de griego porque parece un buen idioma para aprender. Puedo ver por qué hindú va a ser bueno para NPP. Mejor y gracias Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 02:55, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Llegan bastantes artículos con referencias en hindú, y me gustaría poder leerlos sin Google. No es el único idioma que nos llega, ni el más común, pero de los que aun no conozco yo es uno de los más frecuentes. También e notado que varios websites de periódicos en india no dejan copiar su texto, y por eso tampoco se pueden traducir con google. Además, una cosa que nos hace la vida más difícil es la regla MOS:INDICSCRIPT, que dice que no se debe de incluir nombres en idiomas de India en articulos, y entonces es difícil encontrar más referencias para artículos de temas de india sin poder adivinar como se escriben. Hasta más me encantaría aprender telugu, tamil, odia, o otro idioma de ese país que no se traduce tan bien en Google, pero no se donde podría aprender eso. Por lo menos hindú ya se puede conseguir en Duolingo. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Es más fácil sin google. Estoy pensando también en aprender latín porque el español se basa en el latín, por lo que es más fácil que si no supiera español. Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 14:26, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Te gustan los idiomas antiguous en especiál? Es cierto que el castellano puede ser la llave para los idiomas romances, pero en mi opinion es mejor usarlo para aprender frances, italiano o portugues. Entre español y ingles se aprende muy facilmente el frances. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:37, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Mi papá aprendió francés en la universidad. Sí, me gustan los idiomas antiguos, como el griego, el latín, el hebreo, el árabe, pero creo que sería más inteligente aprender francés, italiano primero.

Su opinión. Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 17:52, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Togliattiazot affair

Hi Rosguill, I just noticed that the page I created, "Togliattiazot affair", seems to have disappeared. Instead, I'm directed onto a redirection site leading to the Togliattiazot page, though I do not see any of the affair's page content on the company's page.

Could you let me know what happened, and why the Affair page was removed? Many thanks! Dustpirate (talk) 17:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Dustpirate, from looking at the redirect's edit history, it looks like Lovelylinda1980 converted the article you wrote to a redirect with the justification this is a POV fork based on sources that are questionable at best and absolutely not reliable with respect to anything regarding Russia's government. I would suggest raising the issue on Talk:Togliattiazot affair. If you can't come to an agreement there, let me know and we can figure out next steps based on the state of the disagreement. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:19, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, many thanks! Dustpirate (talk) 10:03, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi again :Rosguill, I left a message on the talk page of LovelyLinda1980 as well as on the article's [page] a few days ago, but have received no response in either case. Could you advise on how to move forward from here please? Is it possible to reinstate the page? Many thanks for your help! Best, Dustpirate (talk) 15:23, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Dustpirate, I would wait a full week, at which point you can reinstate the article. If LovelyLinda wants to continue to engage with the content dispute, the next step is them nominating it for AfD. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:54, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill Hi again, and apologies for knocking on your door so often here... Could you assist me with reinstating the page that was deleted by redirection please? I tried to move it using the redirect page's history, and it doesn't seem to have had the desired effect of retrieving the article. Any advice? Many thanks in advance! Best, Dustpirate (talk) 14:21, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Dustpirate I went ahead and did it for you, it wasn't the move that you needed to reverse but rather the edit that removed the text. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:10, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill Thank you so much for your help and patience! Best Dustpirate (talk) 10:00, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Sockpuppet abuse

Hey Rosguill, hope you are well. You might want to revoke talk page access for UniversePoker777 - VoidSansXD - ICantEdit - 08dravennew Reunion (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). It looks like they are a sock of Ferctus. Thanks! -- LuK3 (Talk) 19:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

LuK3 done, thanks for helping mitigate the damage to my user talk page. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:37, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thank you for your quick action! -- LuK3 (Talk) 19:37, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

You've got mail

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Notability - Black Spoke Pro Cycling Academy

Hi. I'm proposing to remove the notability template which you posted at Black Spoke Pro Cycling Academy but thought I should run it past you first. Of the seven teams currently competing in the UCI Oceania Tour, five have articles. None of these five except Black Spoke have a notability template. Admittedly the Oceania tour is relatively small, but I'd argue it fits the criteria of WP:CYCLING/N that "A team is presumed notable if it is: a men's road team in the 1st (UCI WorldTeam), 2nd (UCI ProContinental), or 3rd (UCI Continental) tier". Any guidance you could provide on this would be welcomed. Thanks, Meticulo (talk) 08:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Meticulo, the main reason that I placed the tag was because the sourcing in the article doesn't clearly demonstrate that WP:GNG is met. In hindsight, I treated the article more like a conventional company than a sports team, and I'd forgotten that NCYCLING could apply to teams. You can go ahead and remove the tag. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 08:26, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'll try to find some more sources for that article, and those of other teams in the tour which are thin on references. Cheers, Meticulo (talk) 08:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Question about AfD/speedy delete

Hello Rosguill, I was hoping to ask your opinion on an AfD (initiated by justanothersgwikieditor). The page Yap Kwong Weng is creation protected indefinitely, but someone has created a page called Kwong Weng Yap of the same person, just using English rather than Chinese naming conventions. I'm wondering whether this is grounds for a speedy delete. WP:G4 says that the new page needs to be "sufficiently identical" to the deleted version, but I can't see what was on the earlier versions. The page was put up for proposed deletion yesterday and the page's creator took the tag down. Now, it's up for normal AfD. The reason I ask about speedy delete is that the subject of the article is now in the political spotlight for an argument with a prominent academic. It seems wrong that the presence of a Wikipedia page (created in breach of an indefinite protection!) should convey a notability that he does not possess. Would be very grateful to hear what you think, and whether you might be able to help. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 03:41, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

On second thought, it might be best to approach the admin who protected the page. Sorry for the trouble - thanks anyway! Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 03:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Don't revert due solely to "no consensus"

@Rosguill: You have reverted my contribution on CCP virus, where I retargeted the redirect to the SARS-CoV-2 article, because there is no consensus. Before reverting any contributions due to no consensus, please ask yourself: will preserving "consensus" be best for the editors and the readers? If you believe so, please slow down and discuss the matter here, as the WP:BRD is invoked. Thank you. --Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 05:15, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Soumya-8974, there was an extended discussion in which a non-trivial amount of editors made valid arguments for the status quo. Given how recent the discussion was, you absolutely need to go through a consensus building process instead of just making a new bold edit. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 05:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you --Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 05:33, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Epic Rap Battles of History redirects

Is it normal that all the categories on the redirects got removed? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 07:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

1234qwer1234qwer4 first I've ever noticed that, not sure what to make of it. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 08:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I can certainly add Category:Epic Rap Battles of History to all of them while retargeting, but the other categories are specific to the episodes. I really didn't want to do that manually. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

1234qwer1234qwer4, if you're going through them to retarget to sections anyway, the easier method may be to restore the pre-close state and then change the target to the correct location. Might be worth running by a technical request related noticeboard to see if they have any ideas for either resolving the current situation or fixing the bug that caused it. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Oh, DrPizza!

I noticed that you reverted and then reverted back [5] No problem with that as such. But I have since noticed that the user concerned has made this change to his own user page with unacceptable comments [6] Fleet Lists (talk) 07:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

redirect

"10. If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject." This is exact reason for removing redir from this page Matrek (talk) 03:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Matrek, yes, but you don't use speedy deletion tags for that, you take it to WP:RfD and have a discussion. Speedy deletion is only used for extreme cases, like copyright violations and obvious spam. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

If not for this, so for what kind of case? This person is a pretty famous, highly decorated German officer, with his own articles in several Wikipedia languages. Only not in en:wiki. And inter-wikis from those pages connect to some list here, because there is no article about him in en:Wiki Matrek (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:37, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Matrek, Like I said, the list of criteria for speedy deletion are really specific, and can be found at the above link, or you can skip to the specific section. You will still likely be able to get the redirect deleted if you list it at WP:RfD (and you'll have an easier time nominating it for deletion if you use WP:TWINKLE). Also, please sign your messages using ~~~~, otherwise your signature impairs bots' ability to function. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:43, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, usually I contribute in another Wikipedia language, so I have little experience over here. But I think you guys have a strange rules on en:wiki. It is highly unlikely, that anybody will create an article, if the subject is already occupied by redirect. On the other wikis, it is generally widely accepted, that with a red color link,there is a much bigger chance that an article will be created, than in the situation, when the subject is occupied by the redir. Matrek (talk) 04:08, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Matrek, it is a generally accepted cause for deletion here as well, but requires a discussion period at RfD as it is not seen as a totally uncontroversial decision. Putting a speedy deletion tag on a page, as you did, is the equivalent of saying "kill it with fire". _signed, Rosguill ^talk 04:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Understood :) However, if somebody would like to ad hoc create an article, who would waste his time for some discussions that take days or weeks. He/she would just give up, unless this person is really desperate to create this particular article. I think, that's whole idea of speedy deletion, or {{ek}} (fast deletion) how we call it in Polish Wikipedia, to not go though debates, if there is a need to free the page by deleting not an article but just simple redirect. Discussions are rather for deleting of articles, not technical pages. Best. Matrek (talk) 04:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

If the editor wants to create the article ad hoc, they can just start editing the redirect's page. The question of deletion is whether it's more useful to have a redirect pointing readers at a page with some minimal information, or to have a redlink to encourage article creation. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 04:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

NPP School

Hello, I just noticed that you adopt users at NPP Academy. Can you take me in? Let me see how much I am in and outside water. Thanks. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 10:47, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

AaqibAnjum, I'm open to this. Could you describe the kind of help you're looking for a bit more? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

What I mean is that, I would like to understand GNG/SNG policies more. How to analyse SIGCOV, how to treat a subject passes which seems to pass WP:SNG and is not WP:ROUTINE, or Run of the mill. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 16:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

AaqibAnjum, I meant more along the lines of what format: are you looking for formal lessons, or just someone you can ask for a second opinion when you come across an article you aren't sure how to evaluate? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:42, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Formal lessons. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 16:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

AaqibAnjum, ok. The only existing formal lesson plan is intended more for editors who are totally unfamiliar with NPP processes. So, our options are:

1. Go through the standard NPPSCHOOL anyway, with the knowledge that a lot of it should be easy review rather than new information.
2. You identify in a bit more detail what aspects you'd like to focus on (e.g. which SNGs, specific cases where you're not sure how to assess sigcov) and I'll try to come up with problems that build your ability to address these cases
3. We don't do formal lessons, and instead we just keep an open rapport where you can ask me for an opinion on articles that you aren't sure how to assess (and I'll occasionally point out an interesting article for you to tackle)

Let me know what you prefer. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Dear Rosguill, Rehards SNG, I have understood WP:NAUTHOR, WP:NACTOR, WP:NACADEMIC, WP:NPROF and like criterias which are related to academics. I can analyse an article related to WP:1E also. I face the issue with businessman, cricketers, influencers etc. For business, for example, I once I moved Draft:Chinu Kala to mainspace because of its coverage. But it was later drafted by some admin due to COI and related issues and then rejected timely as WP:Run of the mill. As you said, (e.g. which SNGs, specific cases where you're not sure how to assess sigcov) and I'll try to come up with problems that build your ability to address these cases. Here is the first case with BUSINESS related people. Best. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 02:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

AaqibAnjum, I see, I think I can work with that. I'll ping you to another page once I've drafted some questions. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Помощь по статье

Здравствуйте. Обращаюсь к Вам как к опытному участнику Википедии за помощью. Прошу у Вас помощи в приведении статьи SkyWay Group к нейтральному и энциклопедическому стилю. Сам правки вносить не решаюсь, так как боюсь войны правок. Сейчас постараюсь изложить всё более подробно. Если обратить внимание на статью, то её стиль неэнциклопедичен и не нейтральный. Большинство источников не авторитетны, либо же являются журналистским расследованием, по которому не может быть написана статья:

1. В преамбуле статьи сразу видно предложение: The public has been warned by financial regulators about risky investments in SkyWay Group infrastructure projects. Ссылаются на статью из Finance Magnates, где сказано о том, что New Zealand’s FMA Adds Skyway Capital to Warning List. Считаю, что данное предложение необходимо поместить в другой раздел, например о деятельности компании в Новой Зеландии. Но никак не вставлять данное предложение в преамбулу и обобщать своими словами.
2. В разделе "Marketing" предложение: No SkyWay company is currently registered to offer securities in any jurisdiction they operate in.. Источника нет и уже долго время.
3. И также в разделе "Критика". Ссылаются на различные сайты, которые своего рода не являются авторитетными. Также не соблюдается нейтральный стиль. Например Primechaniya.ru - не авторитетен. Onliner.by - журналистское расследование. Volzhskaya Kommuna - не авторитетен.
4. Прошу помощи в удалении сомнительной информации, которая подкреплена ссылками на журналистские расследования и не авторитетные источники. Такие же правки размещены и в других Википедиях, перепечатаны из английской. Спасибо большое! 95.153.131.192 (talk) 17:19, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

   Я генерално соглашусь с вашим описанием ошибках стати, а не понимаю почему вы боитесь войны правок–никто не сделал никакую правку через месяц, и в пределах последного года в истории стати признак правок против ваших предложенах не вижу. Я советую вносить свои изменении сам, и если кто-нибудь другое бы повернует статью назад, я могу помогать модерировать и избегать войну _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

   Большое спасибо за ответ! Могли бы помочь по тексту ? Что могли бы перефразировал, либо же полностью убрать. Как сделать это более правильнее ? Ещё раз спасибо! 95.153.135.107 (talk) 19:15, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

   правдиво у меня нет времени взять на себя такую заданию сейчас, но если вы начинаете, я могу исправлать грамматику, нейтральность, итд. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

   Здравствуйте. Убрал информацию из статьи, которая подкреплена не авторитетными источниками и журналистским расследованием. Посмотрите пожалуйста. В дальнейшем буду править статью и дальше. Спасибо. 95.153.133.109 (talk) 08:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

   Выглядит неплохо. Я не признаю источники которые вы удалили, а думаю что вы вероятно правы о ними. А одно совет: описание измененах в статье надо быть по-английски в enWiki. В моем странице возможно рассговаривать по русски потому что здесь могу установить правила, а генерално по enWiki английский язык обязательный. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:24, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

   Понял. Большое спасибо. В дальнейшем буду править статью и отписываться Вам, если Вы не против.95.153.129.145 (talk) 17:46, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Possible Adoption

Hey Rosguill. I looking, based on recommendations from my ANI, to obtain a mentor. I noticed you have availability and I think you and I would be able to work together. I’ve made mistakes and I’ve accepted responsibility for them. I need to learn the ropes and you seem to have them down. I have the tag on my user page but I wanted to be proactive and see if I can get someone as high a caliber as yourself. Please let me know. Thanks, Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 06:02, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Galendalia, I'm going to have to decline. I'm quite busy trying to keep backlogs in check these days, and I don't think I can take on an editor that edits at the pace you've been going for the past month. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 06:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok thank you. I have slowed down to only work on two things CVU and Spoken Wikipedia but understood. Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 06:25, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

My article

Hi, you reverted my edits on Kamal Uddin saying that it is as per WP:G4. I have read G4 and it says that it excludes "pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version". My article is quite different to the previous one that existed, and is well-written, well-sourced and fit for inclusion in Wikipedia. SalamAlayka (talk) 15:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

SalamAlayka, the version I was comparing against was the version that was deleted following this discussion. While the articles had some superficial differences, the list of sources was almost identical, and the core issues from the AfD remain unaddressed. Even just evaluating the new article on its own terms, the sources provided are overwhelmingly primary sources and/or coverage that briefly mentions that Uddin performed a concert without providing any significant analysis of the subject. I would suggest posting a request at WP:DRV if you would like to pursue this issue further. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

This editor instead tried to game the system and published the article under Kamal Uddin (imam). Best, GPL93 (talk) 18:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Opinion needed

Hi there! I am seeking an admin (unrelated to current issue) to ask for some advice. If you can spare a bit of your time, I am seeking your opinion on the behaviour of superwifi over at this AFD. Besides the AFD, I will like to point you to my talk page, Kohlrabi Pickle's talk page and superwifi's talkpage also. The question is does this warrant a trip to ANI? I am reluctant to go to ANI (and not sure even if this is a case or not) but just looking at options. This does not mean I will go to ANI even if you think I can/should go to ANI. Thanks a lot for your time! --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 01:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Justanothersgwikieditor, I think that at this point the best move is to wait for the AfD to end, see if there's any further disruption, and then take it from there. The only reason to go to ANI before then would be if there's a new spate of personal attacks or blatant bad faith attempts to derail or subvert the AfD, but based on the trajectory of the various talk page discussions I would be that things will calm down. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, thank you for taking the time and I will heed your advice as such. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 02:06, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Justanothersgwikieditor and Rosguill. Superwifi has moved on from accusing me of bullying and canvassing to a veiled accusation of dishonesty: see here. They persist in accusing me of a COI without evidence, see here. They also persist in editing their own comments, which throws the chain out of context: see here and here. This is after my informing them that they cannot keep editing their comments and giving them detailed advice on what to do if they have an issue with another editor's conduct here. I very much want to let the matter rest but it is hugely unpleasant to have these unfounded accusations repeatedly pop up on a public AfD. Is there anything you can do, short of us going to ANI? At some point, I am hoping to have those accusations purged from the page's history, rather than have a simple strikethrough on them. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 13:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Kohlrabi Pickle, I've left a note on their talk page telling them to stop casting aspersions. Again, given that this is all focused on one article that is currently at AfD, I think that the matter will likely resolve itself once the AfD runs its course, and ANI is likely to just throw more fuel on the fire. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Rosguill, I'm happy with this. I will let the matter rest as long as nothing else happens. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 23:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Kohlrabi Pickle, this is why i chose to disengage with superwifi, which is plainly a SPA as of now. His behavioural patterns can be established easily, once feeling threatened that the article will be deleted due to policies, he will turn innocent and try to seek forgiveness and common ground. Once that is achieved, he will continue to ensure the article does not get deleted by attacking the both of us. This is a continuing trend and perhaps cease after the AfD. I strongly suggest you disengage and attends to more important things on hand, aka your exams.

Rosguill, thanks for the patience. I hope we do not need your further advice and intervention after the AfD. Thanks! --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 02:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello

I have come to know about your plan of adopting a new user , will u please adopt me for the better understanding of Wikipedia for me I will be obliged if you will agreeFaster than fairies (talk) 06:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Faster than fairies, what kind of editing work are you interested in doing? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 06:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Improperly cited ,adding citations, and copy editing of all variety of article , also want to add information in very short article thank u Faster than fairies (talk) 07:00, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Faster than fairies, you should check out the Wikipedia:Task Center, particularly the Maintenance section from the sound of it. Feel free to ask me questions if you get stuck on something. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 07:02, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Can you please explain me what is benefit of become a adoptee or a student of someone Faster than fairies (talk) 07:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Faster than fairies, it's whatever we agree on. Right now I'm not really sure you need much more help than just being pointed in the correct direction. But if you need more help, you can ask. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 07:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

ThanksFaster than fairies (talk) 07:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Re: Draft:Yamini Singh (actress) Remove from draftspace to namespace

Please review again Draft:Yamini Singh (actress) page and remove from draft to namespace. I have expand this article with reliable source. I think article is ready for move to namespace. Thank You Pk41946 (talk) 17:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Pk41946, you can do that yourself, no need to get me involved. You can find instructions here. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank You for your advice. Pk41946 (talk) 17:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Guy

How to Be the Administrators JR Choto (talk) 23:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

JR Choto, I think you'll find the answer to your question at Wikipedia:Administrators. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:35, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Regarding User:Timwikisidemen

Hi Rosguill. Last month you left a message on the talk page of Timwikisidemen in regards to their edit warring. They have continued this sort of behaviour at KSI discography today, repeatedly restoring redundant, repetitive reference formatting without any sort of explanation for their actions. I have left five talk page messages now, and they have instead insisted on indirectly reverting me. I have cleaned up the article, but this user is ignoring any sort of correspondence left for them and it appears to be something they do in this topic area repeatedly. Ad Orientem blocked them last month for disruptive behaviour, and I would have notified him, but he is currently travelling, so I was hoping you could intervene. Thanks. Ss112 11:49, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Ss112, their last edits as of my reading this are a response to your messages and no further attempt to revert you. At this point, 6 hours later, while there may be a case to be made for a CIR-based restriction, I'm not comfortable imposing an indefinite block at this time and it's not clear what any shorter term block would accomplish. I'll try to keep an eye on the situation in case there's further disruption, but at this point if you want to pursue this forward I think ANI would be more appropriate. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:29, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Millennium Campus Network

Hi, I am disappointed that you did not notify me of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Millennium Campus Network (2nd nomination), as I have made significant contributions to that article. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors. This may have been an oversight. Regards, Verbcatcher (talk) 15:21, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Verbcatcher, my apologies, generally I just rely on the automated notifications from Twinkle. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:23, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Political Protests at Talk Pages ?!

Hi, hope you are doing well so far... I recently saw a couple of talk pages like this one User_talk:Abiodun_Ayobami - honestly I am not really sure if it violates WP:TNO ... what's your opinion? CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, he changed it immediately after my post to your page :=) CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:08, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Request to rejoin NPP School

Hi, I am back. Could you join me in the NPP School? Sorry I was away due to COVID-19. Angus1986 (talk) 12:12, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Angus1986 of course, feel free to pick up where you left off. Here's the link for convenience. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:00, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

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Wemys.

Bernspeed (talk) 23:11, 1 June 2020 (UTC) I think we should keep that because even though it is not used much in the book, it is still more relevant because Wemyss is a much more common name than Wemys. That is the only reference with one S in the Wemys (or Wemyss) that I can think of.

Bernspeed, I don't think that it's a useful redirect pointing at the current target, as even in the unlikely event that someone will search for Percy for Lord of the Flies this way, they will find no relevant information about it at the target. The term is, however, obscure enough that I don't think it's worth the effort to fight over. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

About You (company)

Hi Rosguill, I was sorry to notice that the 'autopatrolled' permission had been revoked from my account. I was not aware the About You-article sounded promotional, but I am also not that unhappy with the text that resulted from Nerfdart's editing - certainly still an adequate article with some frills removed, so no huge qualms here... Despite the changes, the 'advert'-tag on the article remains. Do you think it could be removed then - or do you perceive further issues with promotional tone or unsupported claims? So far, I have addressed a 'citation missing'-hint, and will gladly contribute further to improve the article. Thank you --Kvaloya (talk) 00:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Kvaloya, I'm ok with you removing the tag, although you may want to check with the editor that placed it. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:24, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Looking for an adoptee

Hi. I am interested in learning about creating new pages, and more about the standards and policies. Areas of expertise and interest include Tibet, India and Buddhism, US domestic national security politics, and have a deep knowledge of architecture, history and fine arts. Are you interested? A few more details are on the profile. Thanks. Pasdecomplot (talk) 11:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Pasdecomplot, normally I would be happy to help you but right now I'm in the middle of a very busy time and can't commit to taking on any new adoptees for a few weeks. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:12, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much for responding. If I locate an adoptee before you're available, I'll let you know. Just in case, would you be willing to check in when available? Thanks. Pasdecomplot (talk) 11:46, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Pasdecomplot, I'll try, but depending on circumstances I can't guarantee that I'll remember to. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks. Pasdecomplot (talk) 11:03, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

sorry

I was doing redirects at the time, Im not certain how this happened[7],?..... you can check my edit history--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Ozzie10aaaa, don't worry about it, that form message gets sent out whenever you unreview a page, even if you don't add a message. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:48, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:49, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Redirect reviewed

Hi, I noticed you reviewed three redirects I created and added categories to them. Is there a list of categories to add to new pages/redirects somewhere so I can reference and add them when I create them? Thanks, bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 23:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Berchanhimez, you can find a list at WP:TMR, but you may find it easier just to use either WP:TWINKLE or Sagittarius, which have built in interfaces for quickly adding redirect categories. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:27, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Request

Amirul Momenin Manik review this page. Arif (talk) 11:59, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Md Arif bd, please be patient, the new pages queue is long and someone will get to it eventually. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Away team (Star Trek term)

This was recently deleted at RFD, but no one in that discussion mentioned that the link was already in use in dozens of articles. It would be better for readers if the page at least redirected to Away team, where the concept is briefly defined. Zagalejo^^^ 22:36, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Zagalejo, I think that's reasonable, although Star Trek: Away Team may be a more appropriate target. I can't guarantee that other editors will agree so it may be renominated for RfD, but I appreciate you bringing this to my attention and will not take action to nominate it for deletion myself. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:41, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, Star Trek: Away Team is a specific video game, rather than a page about the Star Trek concept in general. Speaking as someone who has recently gotten into Star Trek during the COVID lockdown, I think the single line in Away team is sufficient. Zagalejo^^^ 22:51, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Block of 38.39.17.89

• 38.39.17.89 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

Was that a mistake? They're not "edit warring"; they're the LTA who has been targeting MP-linked pages for the past few months. With a partial block, they'll just move on to another page. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:13, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Suffusion of Yellow, GalaxyDog, thanks for filling me in. I have the Hong Kong protests page on my watchlist and saw the most recent war, but don't keep a super close eye on it and wasn't aware of this LTA and just blocked based on the obvious 3RR violation. I have no objection to further action taken against them but I'm afraid that I'm short on time right now and can't commit to doing more myself. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:24, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Rosguill: No problem; it's still on AIV so another admin will see it. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:27, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you're aware of this

Hi, I see you blocked 38.39.17.89 from editing a specific page for edit warring, but I think you should be aware of these other blocked IPs and their edits: 50.65.169.227 and 72.136.99.53 I wasn't sure if you were, so that's why I'm leaving this message here. Thanks! —GalaxyDog^{talk • contribs} 01:15, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't see Suffusion of Yellow's post above this about the same topic. Sorry! —GalaxyDog^{talk • contribs} 01:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the review and redirect!

Thank you!

RkOLOGUY (talk) 03:54, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Request for help

Hello, I'm Vikarna and I have to acess to Wikipedia via proxys for I live in mainland China. Unfortunately, my IPBE perssion has expired and most IP addresses I used was blocked, I always translate articles to Chinese Wikipedia and I couldnt do any edits when I find and try to correct some mistakes in an article most of the time, what's more, I often couldnt edit my own talk page. So I sent emails to checkuser-en-wp@wikipedia.org according to Wikipedia:IPECPROXY to request for the IPBE permission but there was no any response for ten days. I’m not sure if the message was not delivered, or there was any other problem, so I go to here to request for help. Best wishes and thanks a lot. --“ ROYAL PATROL ” ^{☎ 911} 10:20, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Vikarna, I do not have CheckUser permissions, so unfortunately I can't help you with this. I would suggest reaching out to one of the editors listed here. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:37, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

It's all right, thanks a lot. --“ ROYAL PATROL ” ^{☎ 911} 16:40, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

You have a response on NPR

Hello Rosguill, I have responded to your questions about two draft articles on the new pages reviewer request page. Kindly visit the page. Thanks for your work. Ugbedeg (talk) 11:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

About CSD and PROD Tagging

Hello Rosguill, I can say that I have a good knowledge of WP:GNG and I can help as a new pages reviewer. I understand that CSD and PROD tagging are not part of the requirements for new pages reviewer right though, I went to the tea house and asked to be instructed on where I can participate in CSD and PROD tagging and AFD discussions but was told that AFD discussion make no impact on articles tagged CSD and PROD. Except the two draft articles which I have explained the rational they are still in the draft space, none of my articles and edits have been deleted. I kindly request that you grant me at least a few weeks new pages reviewer trial period to prove myself. I hope that this request will be granted as I have seen your kind response to issues. Thank you for the good work you are doing. Ugbedeg (talk) 23:32, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Ugbedeg, I already explained at the permissions request board why I am not conferring this permission right now. Your repeated insistence, despite the fact that you clearly still don't understand how these various deletion protocols work is not going to win you any favors. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 05:35, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry for this. I'm an active editor and I will let you know my participation in CSD and PROD in the coming days so that you can review my edits. Once again apologies and I hope that you will always respond to me when I need a clarification on certain things. Ugbedeg (talk) 05:45, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Ugbedeg, if I can make a suggestion, please approach this with a bit of patience. While CSDs are by definition quick, PROD tags and AfD discussions take a week (minimum) to run their course. If you rush into this and start tagging pages left and right, you're liable to make quite a few mistakes before anyone catches them. I would suggest that you start tagging one or two articles or participating in one or two AfD discussions per day, with the goal of reapplying for NPP in a month or two. I also can't promise that I'll be able to coach you personally on this much; off-Wikipedia life has been rather demanding lately.

If you want coaching, you may want to ask one of the other editors listed at WP:NPPSCHOOL for help. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 05:52, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Adopt-a-user program

Hi there! I am looking for you! to be my mentor, I have been in Wikipedia for a few months and already gained some experience from an adoptee but I want to gain more experience on other departments and project, is it possible for you to be my mentor? — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 08:12, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

TheChunky, unfortunately I'm rather busy off-Wikipedia these days and can't commit to taking on any new students now. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:52, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Rosguill: Sorry. I thought maybe you can because you have added Adopting tag on your Userpage. Anyway, If you get time I need to learn few things, because one editor teaches me many things. But some things need to be learn from users like you. Btw Thank You.❤️ — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 23:46, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thanks Rosguill for protecting my Userpage from vandalism. — Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 10:55, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Fictitious references - Can you help?

Hello, I saw a statement in an article which did not exist in the claimed source. I think it's a Type 3. The article is here. In the last paragraph, the last sentence 253th citation, I checked the source myself and I couldn't see any information that is strictly related to the last sentence of the last paragraph. Please, check it yourself if you can. I didn't know what to do about this, plus you seem to have access to JSTOR that's why I contacted you. Thank you.

Sources

--TrueNeutrality (talk) 01:34, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

TrueNeutrality, you're right, the source doesn't mention the Armenian genocide at all, and in fact specifically mentions Lemkin's motives were to document German war crimes. I'm going to remove only the second half of the paragraph, because the bit about the Turkish government's stance is widely attested if not currently sourced and less neutral than it could be. Incidentally, the article was an interesting read and I appreciate having had a chance to go through it. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Assessment Rating

Hi Rosguill, can you please help me in getting assessment or re-assessment ratings to these articles, Madhvacharya, Narayanacharya, Krishnacharya Tamanacharya Pandurangi, Satyadhyana Tirtha, Vidyadhisha Tirtha, Raghuttama Tirtha, Satyatma Tirtha, Sripadaraja, Raghavendra Tirtha, Vadiraja Tirtha and Uttaradi Math, Thanks - MRRaja001 (talk) 13:23, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

MRRaja001, do you mean the quality/importance ratings on the talk page banners? I would suggest installing this script which lets you easily edit ratings. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:11, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	For reviewing most of the redirects I have created recently. Ta! 220 of Borg 08:41, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer newsletter June 2020

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• A discussion on handling new article creation by paid editors is ongoing at the Village Pump.
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Please help if you can

Hello R. You just tagged eleven articles with "{{linkrot}}" templates. That is okay the problem is you put them inside of "multiple issue" templates. If you look at the linkrot template you will see the message "(One such tool to fix up some types of bare URLs is reFill, see also its documentation)" and, for those of us who work on fixing bare urls, all we have to do to get the program running is click on the blue linked word "refill." That sentence/option goes away when a MI template is used so we have to make an extra edit before we can format the bare url. It isn't the worst thing in the world but it does add to the work load and that increases when you are tagging multiple articles. I also know it can be a bit of a hassle at your end of the editing but if you can help us out it would be appreciated. Thanks for your time and have a nice weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 00:22, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

MarnetteD, I'll keep that in mind going forward, thanks for the heads up. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. There is so much to learn around here R. I've been here over 15 years and between what I'm not aware of and new things being added Sisyphus has got nothing on me :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 00:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

"New Church Day" redirect

I am somewhat puzzled by the reversion of the redirect of “New Church Day.”

First, the article to which it redirects presently seems to say nothing about the holiday. Are you thinking that it should be edited to do so?

Second, here are two examples of coverage in independent sources:

1) Mary Ann Meyers, not an adherent of the New Church, writes of this holiday in her book (based on her Phd dissertation) A New World Jerusalem: The Swedenborgian Experience in Community Construction (Greenwood Press, 1983)

“By the late 1870s, the nineteenth of June had been established as a day of special observance…” (p. 60)

Her credentials: https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/people/mary-ann-meyers Mary Ann Meyers is a writer and Senior Fellow at the John Templeton Foundation, where she heads the Humble Approach Initiative, a program that brings together scientists, philosophers, and theologians in international symposia. She is also a secretary and a director of the American Academy of Political and Social Science. Before coming to Templeton, she served as a Secretary of the University of Pennsylvania for more than a decade and taught American religious history. She subsequently served as the President of the Annenberg Foundation, and earlier in her career, she taught at Haverford College. Her books include Art, Education and African-American Culture: Albert Barnes and the Science of Philanthropy (2004) and A New World Jerusalem: The Swedenborgian Experience in Community Construction (1983). Meyers graduated magna cum laude from Syracuse University and holds a PhD from the University of Pennsylvania.

2) Another book, originally published in 1932, and also based on a PhD dissertation, The New Church in the New World (Holt, Rinehart, and Winston, 1932), by Marguerite Beck Block (again, not an adherent of the New Church), likewise discusses the church holiday: “The celebration of this date has always been a distinctive feature of the Academy. It is to commemorate the nineteenth of June 1770 ….” (p. 263 in the 1984 edition)

- Stephen D. Cole Stephendcole (talk) 03:22, 20 June 2020 (UTC)Stephendcole

Stephendcole, those sources weren't in the article, and didn't come up when I searched online. I don't have time right now to do a thorough evaluation, but if you think they're enough to establish that the subject meets WP:GNG, feel free to reinstate the article. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 05:03, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Syed Muhammad Hashmi Ashraf for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Syed Muhammad Hashmi Ashraf is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syed Muhammad Hashmi Ashraf until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

New Pages

Hello Rosguill, I am Megan, I noticed that you had a lot of experience in reviewing new pages. I was requesting if you could grant me the flag. I have helped to clear the backlog in pending changes and would like to help clear the backlog in new pages review. Before requesting I have made sure to familiarize myself with policies and have gained knowledge in CSD,AfD,PROD,Stub Sorting,WP:NOTE,WP:NPOV,WP:COI,and mostly WP:COV. Please review my My contributions and tell me what you think. Thank you for your time. Regards Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 14:43, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Synoman Barris, hey, you seem to have done quite good work so far. However, while you meet the minimum edit count requirement, your account is still rather new, and is short of the minimum account age requirement of 90 days. Your track record in article creation and AfDs is good, but also a bit narrow: virtually all of your creations fall under easy-to-judge SNGs and the AfDs you've participated in so far are all for articles that are egregiously short on references. Thus, I'm going to decline to confer permissions now, but if you keep up the good work and apply at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/New page reviewer in two months or so I would be happy to confer the permissions then. I would also suggest enabling PROD and CSD logging through Twinkle so that your track record with those procedures is easier to evaluate. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:56, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, Okay, Cheers Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 20:16, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Regarding "redirect deletion"

Hi, hope you're doing well. I have recently create two drafts such as Draft:Freedom of the press in India and Draft:Freedom of the press in Pakistan, however, i am not able to move any of the following into mainspace. It says "the name already exist". Please help deleting redirects. Thank you. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 18:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

TheBirdsShedTears,  Done, for future reference you can tag redirects like this with WP:G6 speedy deletion tags to add them to a backlog that usually gets cleared within a day or two. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:04, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 19:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

TheBirdsShedTears, also, note that Freedom of expression in India exists as well. It seems to have a slightly different scope than the article you wrote, but you may want to reshuffle some content between the two (or merge them), as their scopes do overlap somewhat. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:07, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Himalayan Continent - G5

The earliest block in the Admirenepal SPI was in July 2013 on Liznamraduop (talk · contribs), [8]. Himalayan Continent was created in December 2013. It's G5 eligible. Cabayi (talk) 20:21, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Cabayi, my bad, I was looking at Admirenepal's block log directly. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:27, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Duplicate page issue

Hi, i have recently created a new page titled Atta Mohammad Bhambhro. I was searching for an image on Wikimedia Commons and suddenly came to know that the page i created already exists at Atta Muhammad Bhanbhro. Thanks TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 12:16, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Aya and the Witch

Hi hope you’re doing well. I just wanted to ask, since you have experience regarding new pages, if the article Aya and the Witch should be moved to draftspace or deleted. I believe that there isn’t enough coverage for it to qualify for a full article just yet. Thanks. KaitoNkmra23 (talk) 13:29, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

KaitoNkmra23, I think that moving to draftspace is probably the way to go, as the coverage is still largely speculative and there's no firm release date yet. Still, given Studio Ghibli's enormous international prestige, it's pretty much inevitable that the film will be notable; even if it was cancelled tomorrow, there's a decent chance that the cancellation would generate enough coverage (plus retrospectives a few years out about artwork for the lost film) to meet notability guidelines anyway. So, the by-the-book course of action is to keep it in draftspace, but I think turning a blind eye here is also acceptable. My usual course of action for cases like this is to drop by on the talk page and explain the situation to editors involved with the article––that way the editors writing it don't get the false impression that this level of coverage is generally acceptable, but we also avoid a likely-pointless AfD argument. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Question re: New Page Reviewer Rights

Hi, I had requested New Page Reviewer rights, and was awarded them for 1 month on a trial basis on May 22nd. The instructions were to perform at least 20 page reviews over the following month. I have reviewed and/or added appropriate tags/categories/etc. for more than 20 pages in that time. What did I do wrong to have those rights not become permanent? I know I wasn't perfect- I had made some mistakes, but I took those as learning experiences and tried to do better the next time I encountered a similar situation. Was it that I had to mark 20 as reviewed? I'm not sure if I hit 20 marked as reviewed, I reviewed more than 20, but many of them I marked with tags for improvement but waited to see if those changes were made before marking them reviewed. Should I not have done that? Should I have marked them reviewed after adding tags? Thank you for your feedback Nightenbelle (talk) 18:55, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Nightenbelle, the rights expire automatically. If you want them to become indefinite, just re-request at WP:PERM and someone will review your record. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:57, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Gotcha Thank you! Nightenbelle (talk) 21:32, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shawn Huang Wei Zhong

There are two other articles which are created leading up to 2020 Singaporean general election, Gan Siow Huang and Poh Li San. Should these articles be AfD or redirected as well? – robertsky (talk) 05:40, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Robertsky, generals are usually notable, so Gan Siow Huang is in the clear. Poh Li San is a more borderline case, but I see one decent source in the article already (and there's a good chance that there's going to be Chinese-language coverage as well). A new page reviewer has already signed off on it, so I'm inclined to leave them be. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 06:42, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Noted! Thanks for the clarification. :) – robertsky (talk) 07:32, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft

Hello. Please look at the article. The volume is small, but in the future I will edit. Could help transfer to the main space? 93.77.185.154 (talk) 09:40, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

It looks to me that it’s too early to transfer to the main space and will require more information and coverage in order to do so. Until then, it’s recommended that it stays in draftspace. KaitoNkmra23 (talk) 13:44, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Kaito, the currently cited sources are largely not independent, and fall short of the WP:ORGCRITE notability standard that we expect for companies. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Advice?

Presad@ Rosguill, I think there are some potential issues (CAN, COI, hounding) involved in this AfD discussion. Would it be possible for you to please take a look and share your opinion with me? Thanks for your consideration. إيان (talk) 12:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

إيان, I think that you were too quick to accuse people of canvassing here; it's perfectly reasonable for a higher proportion of Arabic-speaking editors to an AfD about an Arabic-language topic (especially once it's been transcluded to a list of deletion discussions about Lebanon). I'm not seeing anything I would call hounding or clear signs of COI either. If I were you, I would write a quick apology and let the discussion run its course, and consider sending personal apologies to the editors you accused of bad faith actions more directly. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

"Narasimharaja (Vidhan sabha constituency) " listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Narasimharaja (Vidhan sabha constituency). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 29#Narasimharaja (Vidhan sabha constituency) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Italawar (talk) 13:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

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Copyvio

Hallo Rosguill, während Sie das Earwig-Tool zum Überprüfen verwenden, in wie viel Prozent von Copivio sollte eine Seite mit G12 gekennzeichnet sein? Ich benutze G12 im Allgemeinen, wenn es mehr als 70 Prozent beträgt, und in anderen Fällen frage ich nach Revedel. Ich wollte nur fragen, ob es richtig ist. Ich hoffe, es macht Ihnen nichts aus, wenn ich auf Deutsch spreche. Es ist ein schönes Gefühl, wenn Sie in einer anderen Sprache sprechen als in der, die wir gewohnt sind. Trotzdem danke und zögern Sie nicht, in beiden Sprachen zu antworten. Antila ✉ 16:39, 1 July 2020 (UTC)