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Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2019

The proud boys is not a neo fascist group. it is no more then a drinking club. 89.160.152.82 (talk) 18:35, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Care to provide a source for that? You also did not at all follow the template above.Beach drifter (talk) 19:13, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/08/fbi-says-proud-boys-are-not-an-extremist-group-after-all/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.143.67.185 (talk) 13:51, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Removing uncredible citations

Please remove content where huffpost is the citing entity. This is not a credible source and is an anti conservative outlet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.143.67.185 (talk) 13:54, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Biased editing?

I'm curious as to why this page continues to be reverted back to a version in which Gavin's political description is based off of op-eds and other opinion pieces, when he himself states otherwise. Shouldn't this page apply to the same guidelines as others? It comes off at an admin/editor bias, so I feel that we should all discuss this. ACtheAvantGarde (talk) 17:08, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ACtheAvantGarde, we call these things sources. Guy (help!) 17:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently you're not reading these sources. Op-eds do not trump actual statements and personal claims. There's a lot of "far-right" talk, when in fact, he's done nothing but disassociate himself with the alt-right. What are other admin's opinions on this matter? Obviously the offender is doing to defend themselves, so what do other think? I'm my opinion, this doesn't exactly follow Wiki's guidelines in terms of being fair and factual. ACtheAvantGarde (talk) 21:02, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is not exclusively op-eds which describe him this way. Per sources, he's done plenty to earn this label, and Wikipedia isn't a platform for public relations or spin. Grayfell (talk) 21:12, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removed "far right" reference as it is incompatible with McInnes having mixed race children. How can you be far right and also be married to an ethnic minority? Ridiculous accusation. S.Staines (talk) 14:16, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced it because we go by what the sources say, not the opinion of editors. Doug Weller talk 14:44, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What sources? There is no reference beside that statement. You must provide a source in order to claim "we go by what the sources say". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.228.254.39 (talk) 07:43, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this in mind when providing the reference too: Wikipedia:Verifiability — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.228.254.39 (talk) 07:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If the lack of references are your primary concern I can probably help out with that. Any issues with these?[1][2][3] Greyjoy talk 09:17, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Noyes, Jenny (1 December 2018). "Far-right figure Gavin McInnes denied visa ahead of planned speaking tour". The Sydney Morning Herald. Retrieved 10 July 2020.
  2. ^ Feuer, Alan (16 October 2018). "Proud Boys Founder: How He Went From Brooklyn Hipster to Far-Right Provocateur". The New York Times. Retrieved 10 July 2020.
  3. ^ Wilson, Jason (5 February 2019). "Gavin McInnes is latest far-right figure to sue anti-hate watchdog". The Guardian. Retrieved 10 July 2020.

Yeah I do, they don't comply with the NPOV principle. Please provide non opinion piece references. S.Staines (talk) 10:28, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

These are all considered reliable sources by Wikipedia. Greyjoy talk 10:33, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
1. If you read WP:NPOV it doesn't say that sources have to be neutral so your argument isn't supported by the policy. 2. These are mainstream sources, I have no idea what their bias should be unless you consider them biased because they don't agree with McInnes. 3. The sources don't look like opinion pieces to me. Not everything with a byline to it is an opinion piece. Sjö (talk) 10:42, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They are not compliant with the NPOV policy, please provide NPOV compliant references or they will be removed in line with Wikipedia's policy.S.Staines
If a consensus is reached that these references are not adequate I will be happy for them to be removed, or to remove them myself. Greyjoy talk 10:43, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is clearly a Wikipedia:Attack page. You also need to consult Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons Well I will say to you what you said to me: get consensus and then make your change, not the other way around - it can't be one rule for you and another for me. So the page will revert until consensus is reached S.Staines

Oxford comma

Could someone please add an Oxford comma to this sentence:

In 2018, McInnes was banned from Twitter, Facebook and Instagram for violating terms of use related to promoting violent extremist groups and hate speech. FollowTheSources (talk) 00:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Major whitewashing attempt

An editor is attempting to make major changes to the article which have the effect of whitewashing it, contrary to the reliably sourced material currently there. For instance, the "far-right" descriptor is removed, and the Proud Boys are described as a "fraternal organization". The edit is also edit warring (against three editors, two of whom are admins) to keep the material in the article. This section has been opened so that the editor can make their argument as to why these POV edits should be accepted. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please provide evidence for your wild accusations. Not in the spirit of collaboration whatsoever. Which user are you referring to? The Proud Boy definition is from their website, which is more reliable source than an opinion piece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.Staines (talk • contribs) 18:51, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I see that editor will be away for a week. Doug Weller talk 18:57, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
When they return, perhaps they'll be willing to listen to various policies and such. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Beyond My Ken, A dollar says not. Guy (help!) 22:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@JzG: you're right. I've reverted, told them a topic ban might be in the future.

Terrible Lede

A mess of subjunctive and subordinate clauses and passive sentences, like "he followed Vice which he also founded." Gonna try to fix and appreciate the help. --FeldBum (talk) 21:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing the grammar is great, but please don't lose any facts or references when you do. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:54, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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