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I'm a bit concerned about the paraphrasing in this article. I looked though the cites for the antisemtism section and they include wording that is very close or identical to the text. See my last couple edits. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 17:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm a bit concerned about the paraphrasing in this article. I looked though the cites for the antisemtism section and they include wording that is very close or identical to the text. See my last couple edits. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 17:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

== White opinions on Malcolm X are irrelevant ==

"A controversial figure accused of preaching racism and violence" - really? Not sure I see the relevance of what white American racists had to say about Malcolm, nor why it's even in the opening paragraphs of the article. [[Special:Contributions/159.196.64.36|159.196.64.36]] ([[User talk:159.196.64.36|talk]]) 22:24, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

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Errors in "Purported bisexuality" section

The allegations that Malcolm X engaged in sex with other men during his youth didn't originate with Manning Marable's biography (published in 2011) but with Bruce Perry's (published in 1991). Read the "Early years" section of the article, which cites Perry's book. It's a shame when a so-called featured article isn't internally consistent. 2600:1700:8630:C90:B155:6461:6598:F698 (talk) 11:23, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"It's a shame" means "someone needs to correct it". Can you help by telling us the page numbers in Perry's book so we can correct the citation? --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 16:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"According to biographer Bruce Perry, Malcolm also occasionally had sex with other men, usually for money, though this conjecture has been disputed by those who knew him.[28 Marable 2011, pp. 65–66.][29 Perry 1991, pp. 77, 82–83.][B The accuracy of these accounts has been questioned by some people who met Malcolm X later in life or never knew him, including Ta-Nehisi Coates,[30] Maulana Karenga,[31] Ilyasah Shabazz,[32] and Raymond Winbush.[33] For further information, see Phelps,[34] Polk,[35] and Street et al.[36]]"
Except for sensationalism, it isn't clear to me why these allegations are discussed in two separate sections at opposite ends of his biography. They're really not much more than but trivia, like the color of his eyes (a subject to which Perry devotes about a page and a half). 2600:1700:8630:C90:7968:5907:3177:7E20 (talk) 02:57, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's been more than a month. Is anybody going to fix this error? 2600:1700:8630:C90:C987:7B2C:8FF4:21DE (talk) 09:33, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Xan747 (talk) 18:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Playboy article that supports Explanatory Note G

It has recently come to light that the famous quote in which MLK Jr. admonishes Malcolm X within said playboy article was a product of journalistic malpractice. I have abstained from simply removing the quote, as I do not think it would be productive to simply scrub it, but I can't quite think of a concise and effective way to explain the illegitimate nature to the quote to readers while also informing them of how well-known the quote is and for how long it was believed to be true. How we approach this historiographic mistake is important, so I would like to field responses from other editors on how best to approach it. Paragon Deku (talk) 04:46, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and added a brief clarification at the end of the quote, but I'm hoping there's a more graceful way of going about this. Paragon Deku (talk) 04:52, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2023

2600:1700:F2F0:CC40:2944:791B:F5D0:166A (talk) 13:08, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Please indicate clearly what to replace. For example, replace [blank] by [blank], so that editors know exactly what to do. Thanks! Cocobb8 (talk) 14:12, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There was no child rape. The young ladies were personal secretaries of Elijah Muhammad.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Callmemirela 🍁 14:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
May I suggest that you take a few minutes to read the article before you dismiss the request? The article says "Malcolm X provided testimony of his investigation, corroboration, and confirmation by Elijah Muhammed himself of multiple counts of child rape." That isn't true. Malcolm X accused Elijah Muhammad of sleeping with his young secretaries, and in accordance with common usage at the time, he referred to the young women as girls. He didn't accuse Muhammad of child rape. Look and see if any reliable sources use the phrase child rape (spoiler alert: they don't). 2600:1700:8630:C90:C987:7B2C:8FF4:21DE (talk) 09:43, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2023

The word "temple" has been used numerous times for "mosques". Why not just write mosque instead of temple? 182.185.4.250 (talk) 09:12, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. -Lemonaka‎ 17:45, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Malcolm X's Daughter

Please get rid of the conjecture that Malcom X's daughter, Attallah, was "possibly" named after Atilla the Hun. Attallah means granted by God. Her name is divided into 2 parts. Atta means to give/grant. Allah is the Arabic word for God and this word is also used by Arabs that are NOT Muslim. One has to use some common sense. His other children have names that are rooted in the Arabic language which have nothing to do with Atila the Hun; the latter has no Arabic sources. Names should be respected and not mocked and assuming that she was named after Atila the Hun is not only illogical but also disrespectful. Atila and Attallah are DIFFER in spelling, pronunciation, and meaning; they are not related to each other. 67.8.71.105 (talk) 19:46, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done, it is not clear what changes you want to be made. Instructions on how to write a proper edit request can be found at WP:ER. Cocobb8 (💬 talk to me! • ✏️ my contributions) 18:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Close paraphasing.

I'm a bit concerned about the paraphrasing in this article. I looked though the cites for the antisemtism section and they include wording that is very close or identical to the text. See my last couple edits. LittleJerry (talk) 17:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

White opinions on Malcolm X are irrelevant

"A controversial figure accused of preaching racism and violence" - really? Not sure I see the relevance of what white American racists had to say about Malcolm, nor why it's even in the opening paragraphs of the article. 159.196.64.36 (talk) 22:24, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]