User talk:Jd2718

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Edit summaries

(My original note on Jayjg's talk page 05:15, 17 August 2008 (→Edit summaries new section), deleted by Jayjg 05:19, 17 August 2008 (quite well founded)):

Please use edit summaries to indicate the changes you have made; This summary does not indicate that you've removed the IDF from the info box. Instead you've used it to make a poorly founded accusation. You know better. Jd2718 (talk) 05:15, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Please use edit summaries to indicate the changes you have made; This summary does not indicate that you've added the IDF to the info box. Instead you've used it to indicate a far less contentious edit. You know better. Jayjg ^(talk) 05:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Point-y and wrong, but that's user space. I do appreciate that your further edits to Sabra and Shatila massacre have carried accurate summaries. Jd2718 (talk) 15:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Bronxites born in Africa

Jd, I just ran across your discussion of this topic at User Talk:Bellagio99. Bellagio and I just discussed this very question at Talk:The Bronx#African-born population. I tracked Oscar Johnson's Ghanaian-American story "Chilly Coexistence" back up its URL tree, and found it was part of an "race anthology" produced either for or by a 2000 journalism class at Columbia University. I don't know if the anthology was a collection of already-written articles from such sources as the Columbia Daily Spectator, or the work-product of the class itself, which focussed on local reporting in New York City (see the syllabus). By checking Columbia's faculty directory, I found the instructor (should you care to ask him about this) is still there, but working in the administration rather than still teaching. Anyway, my feeling is that either immigration patterns have changed radically in the last ten years or that Oscar Johnson misunderstood statistics which I haven't been able to verify without more research than I care to undertake and which strongly contradict the census statistics that I do have. (Bellagio's rather-more-extreme attitude is that one statistic that's not credible makes the whole source unusable.) Shakescene (talk) 21:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Rollback granted

You've got rollback now, per your request. I'm sure we're supposed to tell you to read Help:Reverting#Rollback or something, but you've been leaving edit summaries correctly for months, so just keep doing what you're doing. Cheers!--chaser - t 21:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Cardinal Spellman High School's "theology" teacher hits The NY Times

The moral theology of double parking:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/the-moral-theology-of-double-parking/

Since you're the parochial school authority of The Bronx, this might interest you. It also mentions Cardinal Hayes High School. Shakescene (talk) 20:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

...as does another notable Bronxian...

Figure in Rosenberg Case Admits Spying for Soviets

Shakescene (talk) 21:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Thessaloniki

Thanks for your support on Thessaloniki. A few minutes work is turning out to be brain surgery!  :) I will change. Feel free to alter my changes. But look for opportunities to revert the other editor. Since I can't get his agreement, I will have to catch him with 3RR. I hate to do this but it seems the only way.

If you have other ideas, I would like to hear them! Student7 (talk) 21:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Explain, explain, revert as necessary. Gaming into a 3rr violation is not a good thing to do, and certainly not to plan. I understand your frustration, but normal dispute resolution will take care of this. Jd2718 (talk) 02:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

The guy is a bit of a crank and extrem defensive about his English for reasons that are not immediately apparent. (If your Greek was not perfect wouldn't you be aware of it?) I have encountered cranks before and the only way I know is to RFC them and then to mediation. I sure hope to avoid the latter though. What a pain! And on such trivial grounds! Also, he has not gone to any of the references I left WP:MOS, Strunk and White, etc. The latter a bit much for a casual editor, I admit. I don't see this guy as a major functional editor in the long run. A couple of athletic contributions will be about it, I suspect. And all hard-fought! (I hope in some other article!  :) Student7 (talk) 02:53, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Just read your note (written before mine above). I agree that it is better to edit than revert. I will be doing neither for awhile! Student7 (talk) 12:03, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Some criticism:"Thessaloniki has had a major role in the development of basketball in Greece." "Major" seems pov to me. If it is indeed major, the reader should be able to discern this from the text. The whole idea of pov is that we aren't trying to "manipulate" readers through the use of adjectives.

"The local YMCA was the first to introduce the sport to the country while Iraklis won the first Greek championship." Run-on sentence. What does the YMCA in 1905 (I think I had put in the date earlier) have to do with a championship today? I think the entry is "cute enough" to keep about the Y, but it should be uncoupled from the championship. Probably should have date. Iraklis championship should have date as well. It is history not timeless.

"From 1979 to 1993 Aris and PAOK won between them 10 championships, 7 cups and several European titles." This is wonderful but needs reference.

"Players for Thessalonikian teams have included: Nikos Galis," etc. It makes me a bit nervous that during one of his tirades, he said that some of these players hadn't played for Thessaloniki at all. I'm not really up to verifying each one myself. We really need another Greek sports guy here. (Maybe El Greco can help!  :)

"Since 2000 the Iraklis volleyball team has had much domestic, European and international success." much? That is a bit much!  :) I forget whether that has a footnote, but if it doesn't, it needs one. (I was able to get dates so it must have had a ref). Thanks. Student7 (talk) 12:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

First and foremost there is no a consensus to your point of view so i don't see a reason to have your comments posted as along as the dispute isn't settled when you and student are the ones who shall justify your deleting of my edits. Secondly i think that my language skills are adequate and free of POV but if you think otherwise you have to point them out specifically. BTW way Iraklis won yet another cup the day before yesterday but i guess that's irrelevant to someone who thinks he owns the article. Last but not least seeing the above comments feel free to know that feelings are mutual --Ioannes Tzimiskes (talk) 08:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The section is pretty short and accurate with adequate citations. Yet again POINT THE POV AND THE ALLEGED ERRORS. Discuss the need for changes in talk page. It's only you and Student. In any case numerical superiority can't counterbalance inaccurate knowledge. --Ioannes Tzimiskes (talk) 10:48, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution.

MoS

The Levant and Middle East use British English (when they use English), hence my change to Za'atar. Orpheus (talk) 15:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. On reflection, the whole sentence ought to be changed - it's not really the right usage of "herb" in any case. Thoughts? Orpheus (talk) 16:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Perfect. I think herb is supposed to refer specifically to a plant, but your recent edit addresses that entirely. Thanks! Orpheus (talk) 16:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

declined 3rr

Hi,

you recently found no violation at [[WP:AN/3RR#Ioannes Tzimiskes reported by jd2718 (Result: No Violation); I don't challenge your finding. However, I did respond

Indeed. As I wrote in filing the report (above) The letter of 3RR has not been broken. I also wrote Maybe a serious warning from an admin, rather than a block, would be better at this point, and I still believe so. The editor is well-intentioned, but does not understand he needs to collaborate. A message from an uninvolved admin might help. Thank you.[1]

With that in mind, could you take another look? Jd2718 (talk) 00:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I've left him a message on his talk page. Stifle (talk) 20:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

And I've managed to exchange nicer words with him. We will work this out. Thank you for the assist. Jd2718 (talk) 20:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Rats, I was just working on a 3RR!  :) Maybe get a different admin? I will be kind of sidelined the next couple of days and maybe the week. Thanks for all your work. Student7 (talk) 01:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

History

Why is there so little history in this article? I take it from discussion that it got unwieldy, and was reduced, but couldn't we say something more? Jd2718 (talk) 21:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Cited entries on the history section are more than welcome. Most of the information previously removed was "alumni pride" about specific colleges and universities. A previous effort was made to research the origin of the HBCU executive order. -- Absolon S. Kent (talk) 21:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

How can someone ask

for a third opinion? I remember you did in our disagreement. --Ioannes Tzimiskes (talk) 11:16, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Please refactor talk page edit

Jd2718,

This comment of mine has no reference to you or to any other member of the Wikipedian community. As you know, Wikipedia is a public place and users' comments are visible to everyone on the net. In my opinion, Politis should not mention the name of the village for the protection of its villagers concerning their relations with the specific country's current government. Even if you are a member of this administration, it cannot be considered being of ad hominem nature. In short, my comment has no individual person as a target, neither an editor of the project nor someone in the Real World. Thus, I am not removing it. --Hectorian (talk) 01:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Grecomans

I used as I saw its historical terminology used for Grecophile non-ethnic population and that it has pejorative sound for today's population. Anyway didnt itent to use it in offensive way. Luka Jačov (talk) 23:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Macedonia

Hi Jd. Since you're the neutral one there, where does it stand? Greek or no Greek? BalkanFever 03:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Why?

Why? They are the ones reverting without previously discussing it on article's talk page Luka Jačov (talk) 01:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Talkback - Chicago Date

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I placed the as of date in the Chicago article because if it is not in there it implies it always was and may always be. From what I understand at reading Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words (see the example of "currently"), it would seem to me that the inclusion of an "as of date" is better than implying the status or condition always was. To me the use of the "as of date" gives a little more credibility. Pknkly (talk) 23:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Got your message. Thanks for the effort! Pknkly (talk) 00:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

See you got the info. Final thanks for the research and the edit. Pknkly (talk) 02:54, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

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Removal of WP:Reliable sources

Don't remove citations with WP RS from any article. It is a violation of WP guidelines. Please desist from this policy. If you wish to make changes respect the work of others. You have allready removed five (5) WP:RS from the article. --Xenovatis (talk) 16:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

TAF article

Nice try but you are not going to subvert the matter of your removal of WP:RS so easily.--Xenovatis (talk) 16:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Macedonia proposal assessment

Thank you for responding positively and constructively to my request for an assessment of the benefits and impacts of your favoured proposal. [2] It certainly helps with understanding the thinking behind it. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Centralized_discussion/Macedonia#Winnowing_proposals

We're holding a preferential vote to decide what proposals should go forward to the community and narrow down the vast selection that we currently have. Since you've expressed interest in the above discussion, I thought you would appreciate the opportunity to participate. BalkanFever 13:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

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thanks

Dear Jd2718, thanks for this. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 20:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

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Bronx/The Bronx

This hoary old dispute has come up again in terms of renaming the article. See Talk:Bronx#Query: when do we consider this? Best wishes. —— Shakescene (talk) 04:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Chicago

Hi you left a message on my talk page regarding the trivia inserted in the Chicago article. The user User talk:Verygentle1969 ignored my concerns, after I told him of them on his talk page. He again edited without source or comment. I deleted his latest edit as unsourced. Any help you can provide, would be appreciated.Alanscottwalker(talk) 23:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help.Alanscottwalker (talk) 01:02, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Bronx > Canada

Born in the Bronx. Have lived in Canada for many years. Am a Canadian citizen. More than 1/2 of Toronto from somewhere else, I believe. OTOH, I did have a nice visit to the Bronx a few years ago, including the mourning of Alexanders and Krums, and the buy of still-delicious pizza slice at Fordham-Concourse. Plus a walk down my former street, which seemed quite mellow. Thanks for asking.Bellagio99 (talk) 01:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Isaac Asimov

Jd2718—as you point out, the paragraph goes on to elaborate on his being Jewish, but elaborating on it doesn't obviate mentioning it from the outset. Bus stop (talk) 01:25, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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New Haven Line

Heya Jd2718, I don't see any value in this constant back-and-forthing, so I just have one question for you: in August, are you going to add that one piece back in? We're talking about a service that is seasonal, not temporary. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 02:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Close of AE concerning SD

Hi, Jd. I noticed your comments objecting to the close, and thought you might like to be made aware of comments I made on the topic, as well. If you need to post comments to that page before Ed responds, I'd be grateful if you'd ... well, wait until he responds. But if you can't wait, I'd appreciate it if you'd open a new thread for the purpose. I think we do need a centralized location to discuss the matter, and I've asked Ed to suggest the correct place for that, but I don't think we should appropriate his talk page for the purpose unless he specifically invites that, since it would likely be a long and potentially contentious discussion. I'd prefer that we keep any substantive discussion in one central location, wherever that turns out to be, but I've also temporarily watchlisted this page, if you'd like to briefly reply here. Best regards,  – OhioStandard (talk) 18:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion and information. I do not know if I will participate further - I've more or less said what I had to say - but I do continue to watch. Jd2718 (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Sorry for the earlier mispost, btw. Not quite sure how I did that. My only excuse, and it's a poor one, is that your user page does look rather like a talk page. No bells and whistles, no goofy user boxes; I like that, actually. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 19:11, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: AGK impartiality to I/P

Thank you for your message on my talk page. I have been responding to largely the same questions on my talk page over the past couple of days, so I'll post a full, definitive response here, for clarity, rather than on my talk page, as I normally would. I will also respond in the same order as your four points.

1. The discretionary sanctions provision makes no such obligation, but I agree that it is fair and sensible to establish my rationale clearly. The presumption, as in all Wikipedia discussions until stated differently, is that the closure is made in accordance with the argument of the filing party. In other words, my thinking is as set down by User:Biosketch in his statement in the enforcement thread. In any case, I am discussing my rationale with SD on my talk page, so this point is resolved.
2. That is incorrect. If anything, the consensus was that some action was needed (as opined by User:Enigma). Nobody said anything about whether the request had any merit, although Ed has since said that he does not have a problem with how I closed the thread. Anyway, AE threads are a one-editor close (again, as Ed said, on my talk page); arbitration enforcement decisions are reached unilaterally by their nature. Did you know that AE functions in that way, and, if so, why are you using this as an argument for why I ostensibly behaved inappropriately?
3. Again, see Ed's comment, and perhaps update your understanding of how AE works. Only one administrator can close a request; there is no such thing as a "group action". Anyway, Ed was asking for proposals as to how to proceed; what was there to discuss? Whether a six or a five-and-a-half month topic ban was warranted?
4. See this comment and also the discussion on my talk page. There is zero substance to these suggestions (although they don't surprise me; any sysop who has more than a fleeting involvement in enforcement in one topic area will inevitably be horribly-biased).

Regards, AGK [•] 12:19, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Mac and Me

I edited a bit in the disputed area. I participated in the Centralized Discussion that led to some solid naming policy and two years of relative peace in the topic area. I agreed with what FPaS did in the area, and credit him (and several others) with getting us to a place where the Centralized Discussion could be proposed, adopted, and work out for the best of the project. I have at other times found myself on FPaS' bad side. Jd2718 (talk) 02:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Names of Thessaloniki

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Re: Balearic Islands

Hi. thanks for your good faith comment. I did take a deep breath, and now, I will continue with my work at "trying" to improve wikipedia. Cheers. --Maurice27 _{About Me, Talk, Vandalize}. 19:47, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I have to tell you I am willing to help and improve the Balearic Islands' article, however I will not contribute if Maurice27 is going to impose us his anti-Catalist point of view.

About the edit war with Maurice27:

I was right reverting him as he first changed the official Catalan name to Spanish, and diminished the official Catalan name to a "native name". It seems to me he doesn't care about anything else than that (diminishing the Catalan officiality on the English wikipedia).

I have read many of his comments in other talk pages (mainly in Catalan-related articles), and he has provoked many similar endless and nonsensical edit wars with other Catalan-speaking users about the same issue, causing other Catalan-speakers to cease contributing to the English wikipedia.

I think you should have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Catalan-speaking Countries/Official denomination in the infobox.

About your questions on the BI's article:

Spanish is official within the Spanish State, which includes the Balearic Islands. However, according to Balearic laws (Statute of Autonomy of the Balearic Islands), the official language of the Balearics is Catalan, therefore Catalan and Spanish are co-official languages. Additionaly the same law mentions all Balearic placenames are only official in Catalan, thus Illes Balears is the only official name. Jɑυмe (xarrades) 20:37, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Re:Careful with "vandalism" edit summary

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Proposed deletion of Eames: the architect and the painter

Hello, Jd2718, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia!

I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you worked on, Eames: the architect and the painter, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:

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The three sentences I wrote were crap, but I'm seeing massive Google hits on a newly released documentary - I lifted your tag - notability would be a reason to delete - but that will be met - ugly stub, no matter how true, is not a reason to delete. Jd2718 (talk) 15:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion at AfD. I was not aware of the existence of Articles for Creation, which would have been the right place for me, as a non-article creator, to go. I am a bit concerned that the deletion process seemed to plow forward so quickly, and that as someone who thinks we could do with fewer articles, in general, but I believe the process at AfD worked in a reasonable way. Jd2718 (talk) 00:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Eames: the architect and the painter

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I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you worked on, Eames: the architect and the painter, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:

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Re:

Wops sorry...the last two columns are computed via LibreOffice calc from the original datas, so I'm pretty sure about them...while I put datas in the other columns by hand ^^ --Vituzzu (talk) 21:30, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I can confirm that all other numbers are correct. Trijnstel (talk) 21:34, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Albania

Yes, the figure is supported [4], see top of page 69. Athenean (talk) 02:40, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia)

Hello, I just read through the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia). Is it true that all three of the neutral referees (2 of which are now retired from wiki altogether?) were citizens of the United States? I know this may sound a little OTT, but America recognized FYROM as Macedonia the same month Macedonia committed to sending a few troops to Iraq (which Greece failed to do). This decision changed the landscape of the dispute and soon after the UK agreed to recognise FYROM as Macedonia in attempt to reflect US policy, not for the first time. lol. The US then actively encouraged other nations to do the same including Mexico, who later rejected the name Macedonia after initially being coerced into recognising FYROM as Macedonia by the US. I do not blame the US/UK for encouraging other nations to reflect their policy. Indeed I believe it to be natural. However big chunks of the English speaking world, Australia and South Africa for example refused to join the bandwagon. My point is, on such a delicate subject, like any disagreement, should not the referee's be starting off from a neutral position or at least a neutral country in the debate? Just a thought. Reaper7 (talk) 23:37, 24 December 2011 (UTC)