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::::::as you will. i don't know if you noticed, but Srich is doing the right thing - what you should be doing. You can see that or not. It is your wiki-life. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 18:47, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::as you will. i don't know if you noticed, but Srich is doing the right thing - what you should be doing. You can see that or not. It is your wiki-life. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 18:47, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
{{od}} Per [[WP:BLP]] - {{xt|Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – '''should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing.'''}} {{u|Jytdog}}, I consult you to pay very close attention to the last sentence of that policy. Re: {{u|Srich32977}}, I commend him for going beyond the call of duty. I am watching to see whether or not his efforts are falling on blind eyes. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.1em 0.1em 0.4em,#F2CEF2 -0.4em -0.4em 0.6em,#90EE90 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#E6FFFF"><b>[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</b></font><font color="gold">&#9775;</font>[[User talk:Atsme|<font color="green"><sup>Consult</sup></font>]] 19:09, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
{{od}} Per [[WP:BLP]] - {{xt|Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – '''should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing.'''}} {{u|Jytdog}}, I consult you to pay very close attention to the last sentence of that policy. Re: {{u|Srich32977}}, I commend him for going beyond the call of duty. I am watching to see whether or not his efforts are falling on blind eyes. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.1em 0.1em 0.4em,#F2CEF2 -0.4em -0.4em 0.6em,#90EE90 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#E6FFFF"><b>[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</b></font><font color="gold">&#9775;</font>[[User talk:Atsme|<font color="green"><sup>Consult</sup></font>]] 19:09, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::::at this point atsme, you have used up my patience. Any further comments I make about your behavior will be formal warnings or notifications. Again, good luck to you. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 19:13, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


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Your GA nomination of Alligator gar

The article Alligator gar you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Alligator gar for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cwmhiraeth -- Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:42, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For your information, your chain moray eel image is now in The Signpost. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cwmhiraeth, thank you for the update, and congratulations on your accomplishments!! AtsmeConsult 03:59, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Gabor B. Racz

Thought of complimenting you for this article. A good one mainly in terms of prose quality. Best --PeterCRames (talk) 19:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What a nice compliment. Thank you, PeterCRames. AtsmeConsult 03:50, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Alligator gar

Gatoclass (talk) 05:37, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

Great works!! You have improved a lot....Keep up.... The herald 15:33, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The Herald - how sweet - thank you!! And thank you for being so patient and giving of your time. I'm pretty excited about a couple new projects I'm working on offline, and also trying to improve a very inaccurate "start" article that relies heavily on self-published sources, and original research. AtsmeConsult 16:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of American paddlefish

The article American paddlefish you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:American paddlefish for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of FunkMonk -- FunkMonk (talk) 00:42, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Bowfin

The article Bowfin you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Bowfin for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]



DYK for American paddlefish

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:02, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

The Original Barnstar
To Atsme, an overdue barnstar for the impressive articles she has written on "primitive" fish. Well done! --Epipelagic (talk) 19:38, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you kindly, User:Epipelagic. Your recognition is much appreciated. AtsmeConsult 22:31, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GAN reviewing

At the moment I am out of action after a lightning surge killed my computer but I hope to be back soon. You will find plenty of help on reviewing GANs here and you will see on that page a link to mentors who are willing to help. I suggest you choose an article on a topic with which you are familiar, perhaps by an experienced contributor who knows what is required at GAN, and try applying the GA criteria to it. Your review does not need to follow any particular pattern as long as you consider how well the article meets the different criteria. I hope to be back properly in a couple of days and will be happy to help further if required. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:01, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Bowfin

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A proposal

I see you have a nice image of the sand diver on your user page. I looked at the Wikipedia article on Synodus intermedius and see it is a stub, 519 B in length. I could expand the article myself into a 2500+ B article that would be long enough for DYK, but I wondered whether you would care to co-operate in its expansion, perhaps taking it on as far as GAR? Having said that, I must warn you that my knowledge of fishes is not great, and I only have access to web resources, full jstor articles and abstracts of other articles. (I had already written this before seeing your comment at the paddlefish FAC.) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:44, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Cwmhiraeth. Sounds like a fun and interesting project. I do so appreciate the way you reach into an article, and come up with new areas of interest. AtsmeConsult 09:57, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I have made a start with a description. For the time being I have left the bit in the middle about the collapsible dorsal fin and the knob on chin but they are not in either of the sources I have seen. Over to you. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:11, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Cwmhiraeth, this project is too kewl with all kinds of ways to expand. In 2005, they identified a new species, Synodus macrostigmus, apparently close enough to S. intermedius to do a comparison. I also ended up on Synodontidae, and started a taxonomy section. I don't see how you do what you do - it's amazing. You write new articles, expand articles, review GAs, FAs, DYKs - amazing, absolutely amazing. AtsmeConsult 22:27, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What you have added is fine, but I think it is better to go about things in a slightly different way, writing the main text, with citations backing up the information, and then summarising the information in the lead afterwards. I have moved one of your paragraphs to start an Ecology section. With regard to the fish's distribution, FishBase gives the 37°N - 17°N range but also mentions Santa Catarina in Brazil which is at 27°S. WoRMS mentions southern and eastern Gulf of Mexico and FishBase, the northern Gulf of Mexico, so perhaps we should not specify in which parts of the Gulf it occurs. What do you think? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:32, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that we don't need a detailed description. I'm working on a distribution map which will help. Also agree with your plan regarding the lede - reminiscent of my scriptwriting days when I shot footage from an outline, then wrote the script based on available footage. I appreciate your expertise and guidance. AtsmeConsult 11:33, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Cwmhiraeth, FB also mentions S. intermedius as native to the Philippines, and a questionable occurrence near Sao Tomé-et-Principe off the east coast of Africa. [1] You make the call. Perhaps leave the lede as is, and include under the distribution section? AtsmeConsult 13:58, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I should think so. The Philippines seems unexpected but it may be more widespread than is realised. The range of many marine organisms is very poorly known. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:50, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't forgotten the article, Cwmhiraeth. Unfortunately, my focus has temporarily turned to a meritless claim so as soon as I'm finished with that distraction, I'll get back to work. Just wanted you to know I haven't abandoned the project. AtsmeConsult 17:05, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I saw you had a problem. If we are going for DYK we need to nominate The article by the 29th. We could nominate it now in fact, but it will need more citations before it gets approved. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:09, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see what I can do...AtsmeConsult 18:11, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have now nominated the article at DYK. I found some extra sources which covered at least some of the information. The article has come along well since we started on it. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:00, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's because you are an incredible editor, Cwmhiraeth. You are a delight to collaborate with because you strive for perfection, and that's what an encyclopedia is all about. AtsmeConsult 05:05, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Synodus intermedius

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Gabor B. Racz

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Gabor B. Racz you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cwmhiraeth -- Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:02, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Your GA nomination of Gabor B. Racz

The article Gabor B. Racz you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Gabor B. Racz for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cwmhiraeth -- Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cwmhiraeth, thank you for your tireless efforts. AtsmeConsult 22:06, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

FA congratulations

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of American paddlefish to FA status recently. If you would like to see this (or any other FA) appear as "Today's featured article" soon (either on a particular date or on any available date), please nominate it at the requests page. If you'd like to see an FA appear on a particular date in the next year or so, please add it to the "pending" list. In the absence of a request, the article may end up being picked at any time (although with about 1,287 articles waiting their turn at present, there's no telling how long – or short! – the wait might be). If you'd got any TFA-related questions or problems, please let me know. BencherliteTalk 10:46, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Bencherlite. I believe in the DYK/GA/FA process, admire the reviewers for their diligence, and generosity of their time, and hope I will be able to help bring more quality articles to Wikipedia. AtsmeConsult 12:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Today's Featured Article: Notification

This is to inform you that American paddlefish, which you nominated at WP:FAC, will appear on the Wikipedia Main Page as Today's Featured Article on 24 December 2014. The proposed main page blurb is here; you may amend if necessary. Please check for dead links and other possible faults before the appearance date. Brianboulton (talk) 23:24, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

quick note

Per the warning I gave you, edit warring is wrong, no matter how right you believe you are. Jytdog (talk) 13:37, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't edit warring. I was correcting a BLP violation with strict adherence to BLP policy. AtsmeConsult 13:42, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I am glad you decided not to test that hypothesis. going to BLPN was the right thing to do. Thanks for that. Jytdog (talk) 13:51, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
with regard to MEDRS, it is hard for people to understand sometimes why we call for strong sourcing to support health claims. Please do read WP:MEDRS, with the care and sympathy that you read and use other policies and guidelines. If it is still not clear why it matters so much, you might want to try reading a draft essay I have been working on sporadically (it needs trimming and some more work) called Why MEDRS?. best regards Jytdog (talk) 15:19, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Jytdog - My word - you've done quite a lot of work on that article. I glanced over it, but will take more time to read it this evening or early in the morning when things are much quieter around here. I agree with you in that WP needs a more detailed explanation of what constitutes RS, particularly MEDRS and the sciences. In most instances, there just aren't many (if any) 2ndary RS for research, so we end up having to depend on peer-reviewed journals and whatever else we have available, including primary and tertiary. Thanks for your help. AtsmeConsult 19:44, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
additional note. i looked through your contribs, and it appears to me that you have not been involved in many controversial articles here in WP, nor gotten into disputes much yet. I work on a lot of controversial articles. So if I may, please let me give you some advice...
read Wikipedia:Controversial articles, carefully. and please reflect on it.
stay calm. if you get upset, walk away, and come back. really important. working on controversial content is a test of your character. It is amazing to watch the spectrum of human behavior here in WP.
be super careful not to personalize anything. keep your attention and comments focused really clearly on content, sources, and specifics bits of relevant policies and guidelines (but avoid WP:Wikilawyering).
really listen and respond to other participants, and be mindful if they are doing the same. if something you write is not responded to, ask nicely for a response. listen to it. dialogue, don't declare. there are other humans involved who may see the world very differently from you, and who are as important as you.
Be very aware if a specific argument you are making is based on policy/guideline, or on your preference, and discuss accordingly. remember that your goal is persuade and be aware of how the consensus is going. pick your battles.
deal with bits of content, not the whole. bits are manageable, and can be worked on and improved. global statements about articles leave everybody with no where to go and nothing to actually do, and the goal of the discussion is action. focus on fixing. and focus. wallsoftext leave other editors with too much to think about and respond to, and are not productive.
that's all. good luck! Jytdog (talk) 16:25, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Good advice. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 17:17, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

warning

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on G. Edward Griffin. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

  1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.

Oh terrible, you are already over 3RR today. Please stop. Jytdog (talk) 15:44, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jytdog It is not edit warring when it involves blatant BLP violations. I am going to report the violations of the edit sanctions, as well as the inappropriate user conduct. I have already posted one warning to your talk page, consider this notice your final warning. I am taking this to ANI. AtsmeConsult 15:48, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Really Atsme. Please listen. I have tried very hard to explain to you that you need to calm down and take it slow and really try to use the Talk page, which you still haven't done. Please hear me -- you are driving right over a cliff. You have so far only posted emotional, nonspecific posts on Talk. You went to BLPN and did the same. So far, no one else sees a BLPN problem - part of that ~might~ be because you are not calmly and carefully explaining the issue, but you have called a bunch of eyes to the article, and literally nobody else sees whatever is making you unhappy. At this stage, you really have three choices: 1) continue as you have been, and face a definite block for editing warring and if you continue past that, a topic ban; or 2) you can keep working on the article but change, and try to follow my advice above, or 3) just walk away from the article. But if you revert one more time today, I will bring you to 3RR and you will get blocked. There is no doubt about that. Jytdog (talk) 15:55, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to post at ANI, have at it, but you have not followed any of my advice, and you will not only go down in flames, but you will face WP:BOOMERANG and perhaps a topic ban. You have not used the Talk page well, you have not calmly stated specific objections and calmly tried to work through them with other editors, and this will be seen as WP:FORUMSHOPPING. Going to ANI is continuing to drive off the cliff. You will do as you will - maybe you just need to play this out and get topic banned. That is not a happy outcome, but if you will not change or walk away, that is what needs to happen. Good luck to you in any case. Jytdog (talk) 17:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, Jytdog, I have already explained to you that the BLP violations at Griffin are unacceptable, and I cited the reasons straight from WP:BLP. You have ignored the sanction warning on the article's TP, and keep reverting my edits after I explained they were to correct the BLP violations. Your passive aggressive threats are duly noted. There's nothing more I can add in light of the fact you WP:DONTGETIT. I feel quite confident about my position because my only agenda is to get the article right, and take it in the direction of being a DYK, and eventually a GA candidate. I consult you to voluntarily recuse yourself from editing Griffin as it appears there may be a COI regarding your work as a biotech. AtsmeConsult 18:38, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
as you will. i don't know if you noticed, but Srich is doing the right thing - what you should be doing. You can see that or not. It is your wiki-life. Jytdog (talk) 18:47, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:BLP - Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing. Jytdog, I consult you to pay very close attention to the last sentence of that policy. Re: Srich32977, I commend him for going beyond the call of duty. I am watching to see whether or not his efforts are falling on blind eyes. AtsmeConsult 19:09, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

at this point atsme, you have used up my patience. Any further comments I make about your behavior will be formal warnings or notifications. Again, good luck to you. Jytdog (talk) 19:13, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citation template

I'm scanning the different edits. If I'm spotting this correctly, it looks like you've added {{cite book}} at times and put the total number of pages in the "pages= " parameter. Actually that parameter is for the particular pages that are pertinent, not the total. Thanks (and thanks for the note you sent me). – S. Rich (talk) 16:37, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Srich32977, you spotted it correctly, and I apologize for the inconsistencies. I actually do know better, but I'll plug away using a shameless excuse - the dog hit my elbow while I was typing. If that excuse works, I'll keep it, if not, then I'll simply say, Oooops. I will fix the errors ASAP provided the edit isn't reverted before I get the chance. Thank you for spotting it. AtsmeConsult 17:00, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]