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:Proof of notability required in addition to citation. To be defined in a list of "notable" individuals, they must meet Wikipedia's standards of notability; this is vetted through the article creation process. '''[[User:ScrapIronIV|<span style="color:#306b1e">Scr<span style="background:#0404B4;border-radius:7px;color:#FFFFFF">★</span>pIron</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:ScrapIronIV|<span style="color:#6E6E6E">IV</span>]]</sup>''' 17:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
:Proof of notability required in addition to citation. To be defined in a list of "notable" individuals, they must meet Wikipedia's standards of notability; this is vetted through the article creation process. '''[[User:ScrapIronIV|<span style="color:#306b1e">Scr<span style="background:#0404B4;border-radius:7px;color:#FFFFFF">★</span>pIron</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:ScrapIronIV|<span style="color:#6E6E6E">IV</span>]]</sup>''' 17:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
::You're absolutely wrong in both your [[WP:EW|actions]] and interpretation of [[WP:N]]. The policy is crystal clear on this issue: "The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic should have its own article." Please revert your edit. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 17:04, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
::You're absolutely wrong in both your [[WP:EW|actions]] and interpretation of [[WP:N]]. The policy is crystal clear on this issue: "The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic should have its own article." Please revert your edit. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 17:04, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Once you define a list as one of "Notable" individuals, the list must be composed solely of notable entries. If it were an indiscriminate list, no problem. But the article has specified that there are notable alumni, and proof of that claim is determined through the existence of an article. '''[[User:ScrapIronIV|<span style="color:#306b1e">Scr<span style="background:#0404B4;border-radius:7px;color:#FFFFFF">★</span>pIron</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:ScrapIronIV|<span style="color:#6E6E6E">IV</span>]]</sup>''' 17:09, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for Fiat 130 HP

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:02, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
For your diverse, interesting and consistently good contributions thus far. Often, this kind of work goes unnoticed, until now! Cheers. CassiantoTalk 18:41, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A beer for you!

Thanks! Kyle121101 (talk) 22:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A beer for you!

Thanks for the help on the Royal Malaysian Air Force article, and keeping right, much appreciated - Cheers FOX 52 (talk) 17:01, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks much - I could use it. That one keeps coming back again, and again. ScrpIronIV 20:31, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

barnstar

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For noticing and proactively addressing potential COI-issues editors. LavaBaron (talk) 00:36, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Z147

A beer for you!

I'm just now seeing all of the fallout of the sockpuppet activity on Universe Sandbox ². Great to know you had it under control! Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:25, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You couldn't even put a bet on that!

At 20:15 on 30 October 2015 you completed an edit on Peppa Pig. A minute later, on the same day, you edited John Wayne. Just how does your mind work? CassiantoTalk 09:30, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There are some who would claim it doesn't :-) it was probably me just monitoring my watch list, which is an eclectic mess... ScrpIronIV 14:10, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons Greetings

Seasons Greetings

Christmas! Christmas, everywhere,
on every talk page, I do dispair
Seasons being greeted and Wikibreaks told,
but still time for a little more editing, for being WP:BOLD!
So go on, go forth and enjoy beyond concern
Your Wiki will be waiting for when you return.

Merry Christmas ScrapIronIV -- samtar whisper 21:40, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Samtar: Many happy returns! May you have a warm and blessed holiday, with all the people you care most about at your side ScrpIronIV 21:42, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Season's Greetings!

File:Xmas Ornament.jpg

To You and Yours!
FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:21, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing

OK, so it's not too much to get excited about, but the sub-pages certainly help to clear my shiny new user page of all the clutter. Have a great new year! CassiantoTalk 23:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Terrific collection of pictures Wishing you all the best for a happy and prosperous new year! ScrpIronIV 23:41, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Spam Barnstar
I'll second the congratulations, only this time it's from a fellow experienced Wikipedia editor. Always good to have another ally on the lookout for WP:COI and WP:SOAPBOX edits. Keep up the good work! Drm310 (talk) 04:23, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A Dobos torte for you!

7&6=thirteen () has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it.


To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen () 21:42, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Looks quite tasty - Thank you so much! ScrpIronIV 21:44, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support

Peacemaker67 RfA Appreciation award
Thank you for participating and supporting at my RfA. It was very much appreciated, and I am humbled that the community saw fit to trust me with the tools. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:04, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Thanks for protecting my user page form vandals! InsertCleverPhraseHere 21:10, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Question about WQXR-FM revision

I'm still new at editing on Wikipedia. I'm sure you had very good reasons for erasing some of what I revised. But did it have to be everything? Didn't I make any good revisions at all? Was everything wrong? And if there's a fine line on something I revised, wouldn't it make sense to say, let's leave this so the person doesn't get too discouraged? It's like getting a zero on a test.

Also, how is it that you can find revisions and delete them so quickly? You erased my revisions only a few hours after I did it. And I see under "History" that someone made a revision and you deleted it within minutes. Again, I'm new. So is there like an alarm that goes off? Or do you check your favorite pages very frequently to see nobody has revised any page you feel is good the way it is?

Greetings, and welcome. I reverted two edits because you were providing links to terms which were already linked earlier in the article (see WP:OVERLINK), or substantively changing the meaning of a sentence without providing a source (see WP:RS). I looked at your actual edit, comparing it to the prior version, so it did not take much time to read the changes. That article is on my Watchlist, as I have edited it in the past. It shows up on my feed when it is changed, and I regularly scan changes to pages I am already familiar with. I am sorry that it was discouraging; I did look at some of your other contributions to other articles and in general they seem fine. You should probably find a source for your changes to WMVX - any unsourced and significant changes are likely to be challenged, and could be reverted. Happy editing! ScrpIronIV 16:06, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Question about WQXR-FM revision (Part II)

And another question, if I may... How long does it take someone to get familiar with all these complicated words and phrases connected to Wikipedia? I see links and lingo and I have no idea what they mean or how they are generated. It's like a foreign language, or a special club where everyone knows the codes except newcomers. Should it be this complicated or am I just such a novice? I wonder if it is like the cool kids' table in the school cafeteria?

I guess it's like anything, you get used to it after a while. Anything you see that is bluelinked and begins with "WP:" is generally going to be a link to a policy, essay, or other standard which applies to the rules of editing. generally, anyone who makes a change should link to a policy, or give another reason within the edit summary. I will post a welcome message on your page which should help get you started.
I noticed that you are not using edit summaries much - currently, you are only using edit summaries in 38.2% of your edits. Edit summaries help other editors understand the change you made, and why you made it. I will always look closer at edits which have no explanation, and am more likely to revert them. And I am definitely not one of the "cool kids" at the table.
Finally, please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~) at the end of your post. That way we know who sent us the message, without having to look at the page history. ScrpIronIV 16:15, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A few more questions

OK, in your answer to me, I have now seven questions...

1) How did you answer within minutes of my posting the question? Did an alarm go off? 2) How would you know WP:overlink? I have no idea about that. 3) Same with WP:RS 4) How would you know how to get to my edit history or that I edited WMVX or where I may have gone wrong? I have no idea how to check anyone's edits. 5) How would someone generate a smiley face? 6) How would someone generate a logo for their name? 7) How would someone tell us when they posted a message in UTC?

OK, maybe I don't really want to know all those answers but this is daunting. Like I said, it's a foreign language where I can only pick up a few words here and there, and you and others know the third person plural of an irregular verb in future perfect tense.

1) When you are logged in, you should see an alert at the top of the page saying that you have messages whenever someone posts to your talk page. If you are not logged in, you should see it as soon as you log in.
2 & 3) There is a welcome message at the top of your talkpage, it includes some useful links to get started. Generally you learn of a policy or Manual of Style issue after you violate one - somebody will tell you about it.
4) In the page history, next to your username, there is a link labeled "contribs" - that will show all of a user's edits.
5) Type {{smiley}}
6) Under preferences, there is an edit box under the "Signature" section. You need to know some markup language to do that. For me, I took someone else's signature, played with it in my sandbox, and built a new one from what I learned. The markup for mine is '''[[User:ScrapIronIV|<span style="color:#306b1e">Scr<span style="background:#0404B4;border-radius:7px;color:#FFFFFF">★</span>pIron</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:ScrapIronIV|<span style="color:#6E6E6E">IV</span>]]</sup>''' Feel free to play with it.
7) I have no idea.
I hope this helps! ScrpIronIV 16:32, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Revert of Sky News Australia

Hi, I noticed you reverted this edit on the article Sky News Australia. I note the reason you gave was "RV sock of blocked user", however upon looking at what that user contributed, they added three titles in the programming section, and all three programs are current on the channel. The user didn't add a reference for any of them (which I fully understand is not allowed), and the user couldn't wikilink to any of the programs because they don't have their own article. I noticed that the user BilCatneverstopsblockingme has now been blocked indefinently, and I'm not sure what the backstory is to the user or its sister accounts are, but just in case the primary reason they've been blocked has something to do with the particular edit I mentioned earlier, I just thought I'd say, as a regular editor of the page, the edit was technically accurate and not vandalism (just unreferenced, I have considered adding the titles myself but haven't managed to find viable citations). If the user has a history of poor edits, vandalism elsewhere, etc I understand, but just wanted to say the user did add anything like vandalism in this particular case. Thanks for your time. -- Whats new?(talk) 04:33, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This was reverted per policy, as a sockpuppet of a longterm abuser. Their contributions are reverted on sight. If you feel that the information is warranted, you can take responsibility for the addition, and add it back in again. ScrpIronIV 12:28, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying. As I said, I just wanted to make sure they weren't blocked based on this one particular edit. -- Whats new?(talk) 04:58, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nic Hard: Please Do Not Delete

Hi,

Please re-check Nic Hard. New information added. Discographies from AllMusic.com and Discogs.com . More to Follow

Any assistance in the creation of this page would be much appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.162.193.13 (talk) 01:50, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Question about Haleyville, A:

Why do you remove the notable people, Andi and Kate form Homefree on Haleyville, Alabama page? Multiple people in the town have requested they be put on the page.

Is is against Wikipedia policy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.91.75.29 (talk) 15:00, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To be included as "notable residents" they need to be encyclopedically notable, not just popular. Please read WP:GNG. If you believe they pass this notability guideline, then the wikipedia article about them needs to be created first. Please read WP:WTAF for guidance. ScrpIronIV 15:03, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) WP:LISTPEOPLE also applies to this issue. In practice, if a reliable secondary source (not related to the show or network itself) can be cited that shows the person is from this city, they could be included in the list, especially if they otherwise meet the GNG requirements and an article could be created, but just hasn't. Since this wasn't the case, SrapIron was correct in removing them from the list. Also note that each person needs to be listed separately. - BilCat (talk) 15:31, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AGF request for User:ScrapIronIV to desist from repeating transphobia

You repeated a transphobic version of the Eddie Murphy page. [1] I asked You not to do it again and You did not respond. User_talk:ScrapIronIV/Archive2#Your_Eddie_Murphy.23Legal_issues_edits Instead You repeated the transphobia again. [2] You have advocated for using WP:AIV in such a situation; but I have not done that. Please do not repeat any more transphobia. Warmest Regards, :)—thecurran Speak your mind my past 06:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Accusations of transphobia are unwarranted. The sources provided did not support the terminology you inserted. The new sources do not meet WP:RS. Take your concerns to the article talk page, so there are more eyes on the issue. ScrpIronIV 12:54, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please read a little bit about transsexual people, the Samoan third gender fa'afafine, the Miss Island Queen Pageant, and the winner of 1993 - Shalimar (Atisone Seiuli) on the official pageant site http://assofias.webs.com/formertitleholders.htm . I hope You learn the following information:
  1. It is inaccurate and offensive to charge a trans woman who has undergone feminization surgery and hormone therapy with transvestism for wearing feminine clothes.
  2. It is inaccurate and offensive to charge a noted fa'afafine with transvestism for wearing feminine clothes.
  3. It is unencyclopædic to found reversions on unresearched misunderstandings.
  4. It is unencyclopædic to wholly remove sourced content that is published in book form, available online, and legally cleared of slander; without supplying an opposing source.
  5. It approaches vandalism to do all these deeds after repeated warnings.
I will await your response. Warmest Regards, :)—thecurran Speak your mind my past 08:56, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is the english Wikipedia, not the Samoan Wikipedia. Provide valid sources for your additions, and they can stay. How either you or I "feel" about a topic is immaterial. if the source cited says "transvestite" then Wikipedia says "transvestite". It is an article about Eddie Murphy, and a barely notable event. The history and preferences of the parties associated with that event will be reported as reliable third party sources. Not original research, not fact-checking, and certainly not tailored to fit some agenda. If there is a problem with the words used in the sources, take it up with the sources.
Now, as I have requested previously, take this to the ARTICLE talk page so other editors can see the conversation, and weigh in. No further discussion on this topic will be entertained here. ScrpIronIV 12:58, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've still refrained from a 3rd reversion but a Request for Comment is now open per your request and the WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Warmest Regards, :)—thecurran Speak your mind my past 08:58, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Removing Edits

Hello ScrapironIV, I am responding to your comments on deleting my edits. I wanted to know what I could have done to make the edit less like an advertisement/what I could do to improve it. My class in school is doing a wikipedia project and we are documenting all the editing/interactions we have with editors as well. It isn't beneficial that I make a successful edit, but rather attempt and ask how to improve. This is a very neat experience for me since I've never really done it before.

Fisherd160 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fisherd160 (talkcontribs) 11:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When you included information about the app, you also included information on where to purchase is and how to play it. The sources consisted of app store sources. What you need to provide is reliable, third party sources - unassociated with the game - that discuss the game. Otherwise, it looks like the section is just trying to direct people to go and get the app. I have placed a welcome message on your page with some useful links to help get you started editing here. ScrpIronIV 12:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there again SI IV, from Portugal,

I tried and tried to dig something up from the Internet, this was all I could find for the moment. But don't worry, everything is backed up by the FORADEJOGO external link (for his career as a player, the first, not the second, his manager stuff), which is reliable.

Attentively, thanks for the "thanks" and happy editing --Be Quiet AL (talk) 20:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What you have is fine, I appreciate the effort! Saúde! ScrpIronIV 21:06, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted edit at Paine College

Just a friendly note to let you know why I reverted your edit to Paine College. The essay you cited - which is only an essay, not policy - applies to attempts to add links to articles. The material you removed didn't include links. However, the material did include references and it appears to be germane to the topic of the article. If you object to the material's inclusion on other grounds - not important enough, not interesting enough, sources aren't reliable, etc. - then please let us know in Talk! ElKevbo (talk) 16:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Proof of notability required in addition to citation. To be defined in a list of "notable" individuals, they must meet Wikipedia's standards of notability; this is vetted through the article creation process. ScrpIronIV 17:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You're absolutely wrong in both your actions and interpretation of WP:N. The policy is crystal clear on this issue: "The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic should have its own article." Please revert your edit. ElKevbo (talk) 17:04, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Once you define a list as one of "Notable" individuals, the list must be composed solely of notable entries. If it were an indiscriminate list, no problem. But the article has specified that there are notable alumni, and proof of that claim is determined through the existence of an article. ScrpIronIV 17:09, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]