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Older comments[edit]

If you must combine these articles, they need to be under Cold War, not Cold war, as The Cold War was a specific war and hence a proper noun. --nknight 13:00 Jan 17, 2003 (UTC)


I don't think the Taiwan issue qualifies as a cold war. It's more of an unresolved civil war. --Jiang 20:44 21 Jul 2003 (UTC)


All linking articles about the Cold War have now been redirected to Cold War. --GCarty 17:30 2 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Regarding moving this to Wiktionary, essentially it's the equivalent of what many folks have wanted to do -- merge this with Cold War (proper) and explain the concept of a Cold war within that article. Jiang is correct re: China vs. Taiwan, is not referred to as a cold war. It's a continuation of civil war that goes back to the early part of the 20th century. Greece and Turkey were seen as critical countries during the Cold War because the USSR would see it as a NATO weakness if there was a conflict, but as such, they are not referred to widely as being involved in a cold war. That said, there is no real reason for this article to exist alone. It should be merged with the Cold War article. Fuzheado 07:39, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Cold war and Cold War[edit]

I searched for "cold war" ended up here was loking for "Cold War" article... whats going on here? --kunjan1029 05:26, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Cold War- Cuban Missile Crisis[edit]

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The Cuban Missle Crisis was part of the Cold War, and is not usually in itself considered a cold war. Wikiacc (?) 17:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

eso es pura mentira bola de creidos no sirven para nada —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.78.191.178 (talk) 18:33, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

India - Pakistan[edit]

Is the situation between India and Pakistan not considered a cold war? —Preceding unsigned comment added by THE DJA (talkcontribs) 11:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC) its all a bunch of bull —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.19.74.215 (talk) 14:58, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

What?[edit]

Isn't it supposed to be United States and Israel vs. Iran, or am I missing something here? Sirius85 (talk) 18:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Chicken or Egg[edit]

Which came first: the war tactic or the conflict? Did the term inspire the name of the conflict or did the conflict inspire the term? 76.179.52.183 (talk) 18:24, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Russian Empire[edit]

From the article: "1871–1914: United Kingdom, France, and Russian Empire vs. Germany and Austria–Hungary set off by the formation of the German Empire, which politically and geographically challenged the older empires of Europe." I disagree with the Russian Empire standing on the side of France and the UK. The 'Dreikaiserbund' in 1873 established quite a strong relationship between Germany, Austria and Russia. It was only in the last years before WW1 that Russia moved over to the France-UK side, starting with the Franco-Russian alliance in 1893. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.240.84.155 (talk) 14:01, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

A good point, and I have altered the text (and the start date) accordingly. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

"New" Theories on the Etymology[edit]

Anders Stephanson from Columbioa University quite efficiently and comprehensively disproves the notion of Don Juan being the primal source of the term. See this link to his essay., I shall also post it to the 'See Also'. 195.35.252.14 (talk) 16:13, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Cold War II[edit]

The "Cold War II" page was created as a response to the possible tensions between the Russian and the West. Later, the section about the China–US relations was added. Sections about other relations were already moved to the article, "Cold war (general term)." Shall we do the same to this article? George Ho (talk) 07:16, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Survey[edit]

  • Oppose A separate Cold War II makes logical sense, because it is a "legitimate" successor, a "resurgence" of Cold War. The rest of "cold wars" are not. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:16, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
  • MergeThe Cold War II article, is short, and can be merged into this article, as a cold war topic. If the Cold War II topic grows it can be split into its own article.CuriousMind01 (talk) 13:22, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Merge: As per CuriousMind01, article splitting is always an option. Otr500 (talk) 21:56, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Merge: Mostly because I don't think that Cold War II is the wrong title for an article about current US/Russia relations. The cold war that followed WWII was marked by massive military spending, spying, deep suspicion and relentless propaganda about communism vs. capitalism. While some of these things might exist in the current climate, they are simply too different. Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 23:18, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Cold War II seems to refer to just Russia/China vs. Western tensions. Cold War (general term) refers to the use of the phrase cold war in general, and more minor diplomatic standoffs labelled cold wars by RS. Both articles are a decent length, and I see no reason to merge.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Cold War II presupposes the postwar Cold War ever ended. I think that's a contentious view without consensus in the academic and foreign relations communities. The merger should be in reverse order, merging Cold War II with Cold War to remove the inference that a separate or new phenomenon is occurring rather than this being a continuation of post war hostility. Invited to comment here by Legobot. Peter S Strempel | Talk 04:02, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Peter, I want to confront you about inserting "original research" into Cold War-related discussions. While WP:NOR does not apply to talk pages, your proposal (merging into "Cold War") might violate the policy. If you are certain that Cold War has not ended, please either add stuff at Historiography of the Cold War or discuss the run of the Cold War at Talk:Historiography of the Cold War. You can repeatedly say the same arguments over and over as you did here and at Talk:Cold War II. I fear that your rationale and proposal would be discarded as one of unverified "conspiracy theories". But I must cooperate with you, and you must do the same with me. I found just this source, that source, this source, that source. George Ho (talk) 05:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC); edited, 05:09, 4 December 2016 (UTC)