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Sources[edit]

Excellent information here, but are there any references or sources we can site? It looks a little sparse right now. --Asiir 23:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Move?[edit]

Since this article only covers elections of the Republic of China on Taiwan era, it might be better to move it to Elections in Taiwan and then we'll be able to add some Taiwanese elections during the Japanese rule era. Just a thought.--Jerry 23:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

1948 was before the move to Taiwan, so this is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.79.73.249 (talk) 11:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Requested Move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no move, as the article includes material on "pre-Taiwan" elections.Cúchullain t/c 15:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


Elections in the Republic of ChinaElections in Taiwan – I propose to rename this article to Elections in Taiwan to fit in with other articles about Taiwan.C. 22468 Talk to me 14:54, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Strong Oppose This article, like articles on government and military, should be an exception to the convention of using the current common name. This article lists the 1912, 1918, 1921, 1947, and 1948 elections in its history section. These elections were held on mainland China - they were "elections in the Republic of China" but not "elections in Taiwan." In fact the first three had nothing to do with Taiwan, as Taiwan was under Japanese rule at the time, see Republic of China National Assembly elections, 1912 and Republic of China National Assembly elections, 1918. The article title "Elections in Taiwan" would not only be unnecessarily limited in scope, but also plainly misleading for those searching about elections prior to the 1990s.--Jiang (talk) 19:20, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment "Taiwan" can't be used for pre-1945; indeed, in that era, Taiwan was ruled by Japan. If the small amount of pre-1949 content is disentangled, I would support. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 21:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose - This one of those times that the official name is better, as the ROC was not always Taiwan, and was China for a long time. --Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎 22:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Split the ROC had elections before 1950 evacuation to Taiwan. The resumption of democracy can be covered under a Taiwan-titled article, and the edit history for this article covers that area. However, the title under ROC should be a separate article, which uses WP:SUMMARYSTYLE to summarize the resumption of democracy as a section after the 1911-1950 period which would form the meat of that article. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 06:21, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
    • The current length of this article does not support the need to siphon off content using WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. --Jiang (talk) 08:16, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
      • I don't see why not, since either (1) this is an ROC article, and should not be renamed, since the ROC had elections prior to evacuating to Taiwan, (2) if renamed, it would no longer cover that period, so must be summarized into a greater ROC article. -- 70.50.151.36 (talk) 03:34, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
        • So you are essentially opposing the move proposal. WP:SUMMARYSTYLE is meant to be used when articles become unnecessarily long. It's not needed here yet.--Jiang (talk) 18:20, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Previous state names shouldn't have a bearing on the title, which should reflect the state's current name by our nomenclature. Note that Elections in West Germany redirects to Elections in Germany, with pre-1949 elections address in separate sections. (Elections in East Germany also redirects to a section there.) If that page includes Nazi-era elections, this one can certainly include periods of Japanese rule. --BDD (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Your examples don't apply here. "West Germany" was always considered in "Germany" so the redirect is neither misleading nor inaccurate. Here, elections held in Mainland China in 1912, 1918, 1921, 1947, and 1948 were not "Elections in Taiwan." Even if we recognize that Taiwan is overwhelmingly the current common name of the Republic of China, calling the 1912 election an "election in Taiwan" would be just as egregious as calling Sun Yat-sen the first "president of Taiwan". There is no content on elections held during the Japanese rule in Taiwan, while the 1947 and 1948 held on the mainland cannot be separated from Taiwanese history. --Jiang (talk) 18:20, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't see any reason why we couldn't have an "Elections in Mainland China" section in this article parallel to the section Elections in Germany#German elections 1871 to 1945. Most of these elections—and all the present ones—are held in Taiwan for the area described at Taiwan; previous elections in territories held at the time by the country seem to me that they would fit fine within the scope of an "Elections in Taiwan" article. --BDD (talk) 20:32, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
  • This article could certainly use more historical background text, but a historically logical division would be 1912-1921, 1947-1989, and 1991-present to reflect political, rather than geographical changes. Those elected in 1947 and 1948 continued to sit in office in office in Taipei to represent their original mainland constituencies until 1991 - the elections held in Taiwan prior to 1991 were "supplemental". --Jiang (talk) 20:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose - per Jiang's comments above. Also, articles that deal exclusively with the actions of the government of Taiwan should use the name of that government. Readin (talk) 18:39, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. This article is almost all about recent elections, by which time the moniker "Taiwan" was universal. I doubt if you can find any media source in an English-speaking country that reported on the "election in the Republic of China". Kauffner (talk) 10:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Wikipedia articles are not static and this article needs improvement. There is not a great deal of content here - aside from templated infoboxes. I don't see why the 1947-48 elections should not be discussed in the same detail as the 2012 elections and it would be plainly idiotic from a topical and historical standpoint to split the content at 1949.--Jiang (talk) 04:08, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.