Talk:Murder of Fadime Şahindal

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Religion[edit]

I just heard a person on TV mentioning she wasn't a muslim, so I came hear and it says she was. What's true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.79.100 (talk) 09:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, she was a Zoroastrian, i e that was her family's religious background. --81.224.126.115 (talk) 23:12, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Revert of article name vs. consensus policy[edit]

User: Kevin McE reverted User:Plot Spoiler changes of the name this article to "honor killing." Rather than try to find a WP:consensus through WP:Bold Revert Discuss, User:Plat Spoiler just reverted them back. Plot spoiler also did this at four other articles. Elsewhere User:Plot Spoiler's excuse has been "no one had edited the articles in a while." We all can find semi-abandoned articles and make controversial changes to their names. But once someone objects and reverts, we have to discuss. That's what WP:Consensus is all about. I think it is a violation of WP:Consensus for Plot Spoiler not to revert these until consensus to change them is reached.

This discussion has been going on at Talk:Honor_killing_of_Sadia_Sheikh#Requested_move but since all six articles are different, it is not clear that all would have the same resultant name change. CarolMooreDC 17:19, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, he didn't. As I've already explained to you at the dispute resolution noticeboard and Talk:Honor killing of Sadia Sheikh, Plot Spoiler changed from one title to another; Kevin McE changed to a third. Fadime Sahindal was changed to Honor killing of Fadime Sahindal. Kevin McE did not revert him; he moved the article to Killing of Fadime Sahindal: an entirely new title. All of this is in the history. It's important not to accuse people of violating policies when they have not. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:05, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, User:Plot Spoiler still should have reverted to the original name since User:Kevin McE had a problem with his change to "honor killing." This is a good example of why when people start changing titles, it should revert to the original while discussions are going on. Especially when they do five or six at a time. The onus remains on User:Plot Spoiler to do the right thing. CarolMooreDC 04:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
For whatever it is worth, I support the title including "Honor killing" because this spells out precisely why the event is notable and is the more descriptively specific of the two alternatives with the word "killing". Blue Danube (talk) 07:09, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved Armbrust The Homunculus 09:17, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Honor killing of Fadime Şahindal → Murder of Fadime Şahindal – "Honor killing" is a euphemism for "murder". See WP:EUPHEMISM. 200.104.245.226 (talk) 06:06, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose I don't necessarily disagree with you, but this title is consistent with other articles, such as Honor killing itself, which is explicitly defined as homicide right in the lede. There are several other "Honor killing of" articles, as well as one "Honour killing of." --BDD (talk) 17:34, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The naming of other articles is not relevant. The term "Honour killing" clearly carries a bias, and while obviously there should be an article about it, that does not legitimise the use of the term in other article titles. There is an article on justifiable homicide, but you absolutely wouldn't have an article entitled "Justifiable homicide of John Smith". 200.104.245.226 (talk) 03:31, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The naming of other articles is relevant, because WP:CRITERIA says titles should be "consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles." That's policy. --BDD (talk) 16:06, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If there exist some articles with biased titles, that does not mean that all titles must be biased for consistency. However, given that there are 5 articles using this incorrect formulation, and something like 400 articles titled "Murder of...", I agree that this article should comply with the policy you mention. 200.104.245.226 (talk) 17:15, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You could withdraw this and try a multi-move of all the hono(u)r killings articles, though I doubt it would be any more successful. WP:POVNAME applies. You could also begin a discussion at WT:WTW (the talk page of WP:EUPHEMISM). If you could build consensus there for the idea that "honor killing" is merely a euphemism, we could effectively scrub it from Wikipedia. Again, this is not likely to be successful, but it may be more in line with your goals than simply trying to rename one article. --BDD (talk) 18:09, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
POVNAME does not apply. The article title is not a name commonly used for the event but a description coined by wikipedia editors. The "idea" that honour killing is a euphemism? What planet are you on? Are you seriously arguing that it's not a euphemism? 200.104.245.226 (talk) 18:25, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Honour killing seems to be more of a descriptive term for a specific sort murder than a euphemism. Or do you think all such descriptive terms like Lynching, Assassination etc are euphemisms? Nil Einne (talk) 15:18, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per BDD. These incidents were notable as "honor killings", not simply as murders. Plot Spoiler (talk) 18:02, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    An "honour killing" is a murder. Clearly the article should explain that the murder was described by some as an honour killing. But it obviously flies in the face of neutrality to explicitly endorse that point of view in the article title. 200.104.245.226 (talk) 03:31, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as both above. It may appear a POV phrase but it is referred to as an honor killing by reliable sources. Zarcadia (talk) 18:05, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    It is quite obviously a POV phrase. "Reliable" does not mean the same as "neutral", now, does it? 200.104.245.226 (talk) 03:31, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So? Nil Einne (talk) 15:18, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Kurdish/Turkish[edit]

The article beginning says kurdish, the short description says turkish. Which is it? OmniusM (talk) 09:45, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIran: What's going on? There is a request at WP:RFPP to semi-protect the article but the IP has a point which needs to be explained. Johnuniq (talk) 08:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Mb, was too focused on the IP's disruptive pattern. I've changed it to Kurdish. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:29, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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