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A fact from Hottest chili pepper appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 September 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that according to Guinness World Records, the Carolina Reaper (pictured) is currently the leader in the race to grow the hottest pepper?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2019/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Race to grow the hottest pepper.

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:42, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The ghost pepper registers 1.3M on the Scoville scale

~~... that super-hot peppers (example pictured) register at least 1,000,000 on the Scoville scale?~~ Source: https://www.maxim.com/entertainment/search-worlds-spiciest-pepper "anything classified as superhot, like the Carolina Reaper, must register above one million"

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pamela Nadell
Comment: specifically inviting The Rambling Man's input, if he's interested

Created by Valereee (talk). Self-nominated at 19:39, 14 August 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Not to replace TRM's input, but @Valereee: you're going to need something better than Maxim lads' mag as an actual source for your hook or article. — LlywelynII 10:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, I assumed for lifestyle stuff, Maxim was probably as good as GQ etc.? No worries, though, I know I saw that multiple places, I'll go find it! --valereee (talk) 10:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, added second source, The Atlantic, "super-hot chili peppers—fruits that top one million on the Scoville scale" --valereee (talk) 11:21, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and here we go: Journal of the American Society of Horticultural Science: "A novel class of chile peppers known as ‘‘super-hots’’ having greater than 1 million Scoville heat units", I've added that to the article too --valereee (talk) 11:39, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First things first, this is a touch confusing because the hook isn't really talking about the article. Wouldn't something like "... that the Carolina Reaper is currently the leader in the race to grow the hottest pepper?" be more appropriate? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:43, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That would be fine with me...

Carolina Reaper, currently recognized as the world's hottest pepper

ALT1:... that the Carolina Reaper (pictured) is currently the leader in the race to grow the hottest pepper, according to Guinness World Records?

Hm, maybe we'd want the photo to be of the Carolina Reaper? --valereee (talk) 18:37, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so a quick run over the article, I have a couple of things:

I added a [citation needed] for one unref claim about the super-hots.
Some empty cells in the table, not keen on that, looks like information has been forgotten.
Some entries in the table appear to be completely unreferenced, is that the case?

I like the ALT1 hook, I'll do the technical verification of DYK criteria once we address the above issues. We may also need "according to Guinness World Records" in there as well because several other entries in the table are hotter than the Carolina Reaper.... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:12, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

1: ugh, that's probably OR. I'll see if I can find someone who has said that. Maybe the academic journal article.

2: information I haven't found yet, not sure how to deal with blanks in the table while I look for the info. I've got a book on order from interlibrary loan that may fill at least some out.

3: to come, at least for the entries that have articles already.

Agreed on insertion, done. --valereee (talk) 20:27, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a:... that according to Guinness World Records, the Carolina Reaper (pictured) is currently the leader in the race to grow the hottest pepper? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 06:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the blanks in the table could be filled out with "Unknown" or similar. Otherwise I'm satisfied this is suitable for DYK and you have passed the pre-requisites. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:18, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reopening per the DYK talk page. @The Rambling Man: is invited to come back. SL93 (talk) 02:10, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reposting Bells' proposed hook here, as well as proposing new hooks based on their suggestions:

ALT2 ... that a pepper which "kind of opened the floodgates" in the race to grow the hottest pepper was being studied by the Indian army for weaponization?
ALT3 ... that the race to grow the hottest pepper has been described as having "scandals, accusations of cheating, and death threats"?
ALT4 ... that a bottle of hot sauce, made as part of the race to grow the hottest pepper, sold for $595?

Just for disclosure, I kind of don't understand why there were concerns with the hook interest for the initially proposed hook. Readers probably would have thought that the mere fact that there's a race to grow the hottest pepper was interesting in of itself. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 07:06, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SL93, I don't think TRM can come back or even respond to your invitation here, as he can only comment if he's the first and only commenter on a nom. ALT1a and ALT2 are both fine with me, the original image can be used for ALT2. We'll need a new reviewer to approve either of them. --valereee (talk) 11:47, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all, I am happy to reconfirm ALT1a. It is the most hooky of the proposals made so far, in terms of simplicity and interest - as noted, the race to grow the pepper is the interesting fact, and the current leader just gives a bit more insight into that. It also meets the other criteria per previous assessment. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 13:05, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the re-review! --valereee (talk) 13:21, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

heat rating

Hey, N32756377, we've already got a column for the Scoville rating, does this provide additional information? We'd need a source for it. --valereee (talk) 22:54, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IP edits

@Cerebral726 and @Zefr, those edits look like copyvio to boot, if the IP tries to add again, maybe provide a link to this section and ask them to come to the talk page to discuss. —valereee (talk) 20:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Availability of seed

The availability of seed is pretty easy now (2021). I'm just eating a Naga from a kit sold in the UK with seeds of California Reaper, Naga and Scotch Bonnet, three clay posts and coir compost for under £5. I can confirm the heat in the Naga is all in the seeds/pith. Stub Mandrel (talk) 14:19, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

guiness subsection

This section is duplicative of the table and just keeps growing. I propose we remove it as not an improvement. valereee (talk) 18:40, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]