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Requested move (2011)

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:00, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Iqbal → Iqbal (disambiguation) – Muhammad Iqbal is the primary topic for Iqbal so this article needs to be moved so that Iqbal can redirect to Muhammad Iqbal. I moved the page earlier but the move was reverted with the rationale very common Arabic name. However, as can be seen by the contents of the dab page, Iqbal appears to be a name used in South Asia and not commonly used elsewhere. Within South Asia, the poet is the most common usage of Iqbal and none of the others listed on the dab page are as well known. Please make your views known below. Thanks. regentspark (comment) 16:22, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notified WT:IN and WT:PAK --regentspark (comment) 16:28, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support vide rationale given above. AshLin (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support: With Muslim names, we need to avoid thinking of the second name as the equivalent of a European surname, but having said that Muhammad Iqbal is a giant and is the only Iqbal of any real significance, so he is undoubtedly the primary topic for "Iqbal". Moonraker (talk) 17:08, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support In India, he is always called "Iqbal". I don't recall any other Iqbal as great/notable as him. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – Iqbal is a common name of lots of people. Declaring one primary topic is not supportable. Dicklyon (talk) 04:06, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Per usual Wikipedia guidelines, there are hundreds of people with the name Iqbal on Wikipedia, many also very notable, such as Ahsan Iqbal, Rao Sikandar Iqbal, Tamim Iqbal, Iqbal Ahmed, and Iqbal Masih. Many of them athletes and politicians who are also commonly called by their last name.

There is also the well known film, Iqbal (film), and the three places called Iqbal. Search Google with "site:en.wikipedia.org Iqbal" for how common this name is, you can't have a similar very common Arabic male first name, also particularly common among South Asians; "Mahmud" redirect to someone's view on who the most famous bearer using it as a surname is.

Iqbal (also spelled Ikbal, Eghbal, or Ekbal) is a very common Arabic male given name, common around the whole Muslim world, and is not a family name, Rizvi is an example of a family name.

There are "1506" views in the last 30 days on Iqbal.

There are "51787" views on Muhammad Iqbal in the last 30 days.

Chances are people are already finding Muhammad Iqbal's page fine for the last however many years it's been online. And it is against Wikipedia policy to randomly decide him using Iqbal as a surname is now notable enough to have it redirect to him, he's been dead for more than 70 years. There are no very common male first names of any culture on Wikipedia that redirect to anyone.

Most people going to Iqbal are looking for people, the etymology, places and other uses of Iqbal. John Cengiz talk 04:25, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, it needs to be "highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term." and I don't see any evidence that this is the case. If someone will do the effort to collect such statistics I may change my mind. --Muhandes (talk) 09:30, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -- As his full name is Muhammad Iqbal and Iqbal is presumably a patronymic, not a surname, his aricle should remain where it is. An alternative might be to make him the primary topic but with a redirects here hatnote. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Gurmukhi

Since Iqbal is a fairly common Sikh name as well, could someone add the Gurmukhi script version of it to the article. Thanks. --regentspark (comment) 17:37, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have added Central Asian and Middle Eastern to South Asia since it is a personal name in Turkic, Afghanistan and in Kurdish territories. Moarrikh (talk) 23:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is against moving this page. (non-admin closure) Egsan Bacon (talk) 03:14, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Iqbal → Iqbal (disambiguation) – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:55, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See [1]: "So that Muhammad Iqbal can be moved to Iqbal as per WP:COMMONNAME, more sources at Muhammad Iqbal refer him by just "Iqbal" than "Muhammad Iqbal", this will be in line of Akbar, Rumi and Ghalib"; but see the disussion above. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:56, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose as previous RM. Muhammad Iqbal is referred to be his full name in "Iqbal" + "Pakistan movement more than Iqbal (poet) and Allama Iqbal. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:07, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What i am trying to imply here is that his most common name is just "Iqbal" and not "Muhammad Iqbal", article title does not have to be the full name. Sheriff (report) 19:30, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

'Neutral: the argument more sources at Muhammad Iqbal refer him by just "Iqbal" than "Muhammad Iqbal is pointless, as most articles about a person will refer to them by their surname only (as we do in Wikipedia). What matters is whether most references to "Iqbal", globally, are to the particular person called "Muhammad Iqbal". This confirms him as the national poet, little known in the west (though under a different name of Allama Iqbal. PamD 13:58, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, this is rather unique for "Iqbal", not all people are referenced by their surname, this occurrence is in line with people like Akbar, Rumi and Ghalib, what do you have to say about that? Most literary work refer him as "Iqbal" and not "Muhammad Iqbal". Sheriff (report) 19:30, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Usually referred to by his full name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:55, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It's a common first name, and one single person can't just claim that name. Apart from the fact that a case has not been built here. --Midas02 (talk) 20:09, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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