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Sources[edit]

Let's try to get some more references in the article. For instance, I'm thinking of the section on coloured Keeshonden. I'd be interested in finding out more about this: Recently, the appearance of oddly-colored Kees in otherwise long, purebred lineages has caused research into the early history of Keeshond coat colors. Because of this, some breeders wonder whether the Keeshond should be bred for colors other than grey. There are many bloodlines carrying the colored gene, and rather than examples of mixed breeding, colors are legitimate throwbacks to an earlier era of the breed. But ... no citations are given. I have two of my own Keeshonden and several nice resources in storage. I'll try to dig them out and contribute here.

Also, please remind how the importance of a given article, like this one, is decided. I see this one is currently of unknown importance. (Don't tell the Kees that though!) Keesiewonder 22:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Miniature Keeshond - No Such Thing?!!![edit]

To my knowledge, there is no such thing as a miniature Keeshond, i.e. a dog about the size of a Pomeranian with the Kees' silver and black classic markings. (Though I have seen a photo that I can no longer find on the Internet.) Shall we discuss and/or dispel this "myth" on the Keesie Wiki page? Keesiewonder 19:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, there is no such thing. There are a small number of Poms that have coats coloured like Keeshonden, but they are wolf-coloured Pomeranains, not Kees. This is personal knowledge - my wife bred and showed Kees for several years, so I learned quite a bit about the breed by osmosis and necessity :) PKT 20:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I believe when the Keeshond were first introduced in Germany, they were referred to as "oversized Pomeranians," which may be the source of this idea. 71.162.248.100 20:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Topics to consider adding ...[edit]

  • Description of the "Grin," explaining "The Smiling Dutchman."
  • Barge dog, sled dog.
  • Princess Diana had Keeshonden while growing up.
  • Coat can be used for spinning!

Keesiewonder 22:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Dutch loanword?[edit]

Can someone explain to me the reasoning (and verifibility) for including Keeshond in the Dutch loanword category? It sounds vaguely familiar ... but also seems a bit odd. I did just add Keeshond to the category sled dog breeds. As far as the AKC world is concerned, they should also be in the non-sporting breeds. Keesiewonder 15:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Keeshond is a compound word: 'Kees' is a nickname for Cornelius (DeGuyselaar), and 'hond' is a Dutch word for dog. I will add a blurb like this to the article itself. PKT 18:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Excellent! I thought it sounded familiar; thanks for your help and interest. Keesiewonder 18:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

The background of the Dutch word Kees as in Keeshond is reallly not very clear. It might have something to do with Cornelius, and than it might not. It is just a story among others. However, in Holland the word Keeshond refers to the German Spitz, not only the grey Wolfsspitz. There has been a project between 1925-1950 (more or less) to (re)introduce a breed called the Dutch Keeshond, but it foundered owing to lack of interst. The breed was almost identical with the Wolfsspitz.

--Cuon 10:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

External Links[edit]

There is no need to display essentially the same URL on the page for each and every dog breed.

Removed

posted by 85.92.183.119 at 09:01, November 26, 2006
removed by Keesiewonder 14:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Sled dog?[edit]

I've always thought that this dog was a small sled dog. A bit of discussion about this has arisen at Talk:Sled_dog#The_Keeshond_is_a_small_sled_dog_.... Perhaps we can discuss/figure it out on this talk page? Keesiewonder 11:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I have read several books on the Keeshond, because I own them, and I will try to retrieve them from my other house to site various references: re... this dog is indeed in the Spitz family, from Pomeranians to Akitas, situated halfway up the scale, but this dog has never been called a sled dog. Malamutes and Norwegian Elkhounds and Huskies are suited to pulling sleds in trained teams. the Keeshond in my sources originated in the Netherlands from a man with the name "Kees," and the breed is named after him and is indeed a hound... hence the name Kees+hond=(hund)= German for hound. "Hond" I assume is Dutch derivation... the Netherlands. The Dutch have many barges in their canal lowland country, and this dog was used as a watchdog and mascot on the barges. Hence the name, the Dutch barge dog. The Norwegian Elkhound (I owned one some years ago), is in the Spitz family, is possibly the most athletic dog on the planet, and is related to the Keeshond, but is a guard and watchdog, whereas the Keeshond is a family dog with extremely mild temperament. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.56.228 (talk) 18:13, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Where's the page in The Netherlands WP?[edit]

I was going to revert this, but then noticed that, indeed, the Dutch page to the breed of the same name is not about the same dog. The Keeshonden I know are not white ... What's going on here? Where is the analogous link to The Netherlands' page? Keesiewonder talk 10:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

See also Cuon's note at Talk:German_Spitz. --Keesiewonder talk 10:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually the Dutch wp has no specific page for what in FCI terms is the grey variety of the German spitz (Wolfsspitz).

The Dutch word Keeshond refers to all varieties of the German spitz (see also: Dutch loanword?, above). The english Keeshond is called the Grijze keeshond in Holland, the German word Wolfsspitz is also often used.

I tried to fix the international references at Spitz, German Spitz and Keeshond. --Cuon 10:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

All very curious. Keeshonden coloration has always been described to me as silver & black by those in the know. Thanks for your edits. Keesiewonder talk 11:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm in the know - my wife and I bred Keesies for several years under the name Keeshee. White kees are common in The Netherlands, but for reasons that have always escaped me the only colour accepted for conformation in North America is the wolf or silver/black combo. Please refer to the subsection on "Colored Keeshonden" in the english article for a bit more information. PKT 14:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Article quality re-assessment[edit]

I have downgraded the quality of this article to C-class since it fails B-class criterion 1. Though the article is well-written, most of it is not supported by references. Coaster1983 (talk) 06:50, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Name[edit]

After FCI the official name is Wolfsspitz. Where did the strange stuff in the intro come from that the name was changed? It wasn't... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.149.48.44 (talk) 11:30, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Advising people on not clipping coats[edit]

The previous unedited article told people not to clip the coats in summer, because it was an excellent insulation against heat and cold. Okay... cold yes. We use fur coats in winter to stay warm. Granted. Heat? I always trim Keeshonds in the late spring to a quarter inch coat. Their activity level and much reduced panting says it all. They are much happier if trimmed to the last quarter inch of fur for summer in hot climates. Long full coats in hot climates and in summer, especially if they spend much time outside, are a deadly combination. Coats should, however, be allowed in early fall to resume growth toward the winter, as the coat is very necessary in northern climates if the dog spends any amount of time at all outside. As with any dog, no dog should ever be left outside without warm shelter for extended periods of time in snow or rain or extreme cold. We had two dogs in our area in recent history die because they were left outside, tethered in two feet of snow followed by rain. The dogs froze to death. I tend to cast a skeptical eye even to veterinarians and their advice, as most vets training is all across the animal kingdom, and a lot of money from pharmaceutical companies goes toward veterinarian training courses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.56.228 (talk) 18:25, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but many people do not clip their Keeshonds' coats. We never have, and we have had about 15 adults over the years. However, the "reference" you tagged your comment with was heavily opinionated, and could not remain in the article. PKT(alk) 00:38, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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Updated Australian KC link to http://ankc.org.au/Breed/Detail/85 . Updated Canadian KC link to http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/keeshond.htm Updated The Kennel Club link to https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/search-results?q=keeshond ....PKT(alk) 23:33, 7 December 2017 (UTC)