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How You Can Help[edit]

    • EDIT: Although different than the method I would employ, all books should be filed according to author last name, and then according to year. --Chr.K. 21:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

White Supremacist Site[edit]

  • The link which Mr. Isaac Brock is recommended inclusion to belongs to a white supremacist - the owner of the site sells "rare Hitler books", but if one backtracks the link, one can see the racist rants and a photo of the site owner in a Hitler costume, complete with mustache. I see no reason to advertise for such a site, and frankly, never thought an encyclopedia was supposed to be a catalogue. I think it is sufficient to list what books have been printed - printing where to buy them - especially if they are Neo-Nazis that benefit financially - is irrelevant and unencyclopaedic in my opinion.Michael Dorosh 05:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - The commercial link is to a specialized store that sells hard to find Adolf Hitler books. This is what the article is about and it aids readers in finding books. If it is a dealer someone does not care to buy from they do not have to buy from them. Please put the link back. Cordially SirIsaacBrock 02:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - The link in question does not belong. First, if one is going to include commercial links, amazon.com would be better, since it also includes many hard-to-find books -- but such commercial links are generally discouraged on Wikipedia, as far as I can tell. Second, the books on the site are not the books a general encyclopedia reader would likely be interested in. Third, there is doubt about the quality of the books, since Gary Lauck is something of a one-man operation who has found he can make money by marketing material to neo-Nazis. The books lack the editorial and professional standards one should expect. Bytwerk 15:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Exactly. As Wikipedia is a free, open-source, collective effort, there exists little room for commercial links, promotions, adverts, or anything of the likes; this is why we don't have ads, beside the fact that they are obtrusive and deserve to be ripped to shreds. Also, Wikipedia, as a neutral encyclopedia shouldn't market to neo-Nazi Hitlerist propaganda. That would be illegal as well as promoting hate speech, and we don't want that now do we? The link should go. Эйрон Кинни (t) 11:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I was rather surprised[edit]

when i posted this book in the article:

Colbert, R.W. and William D. Hyder, Medallic Portraits of Adolf Hitler, The Token and Medal Society, Inc., El Cajon, California, 1981

to discover it gone today with this explaination.

rv - remove non-existent, improperly formatted, no ISBN, last entry, SirIsaacBrock

So I wrote Sir Isaac, and even posted a page or two from the book, but decided to take my case here too. Surely books are not deleted if they format is different or if there is no ISBN? It is a form vs function world for sure, but . . . . . . . ............ Carptrash 03:41, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Stop acting childish, if you want to add the book to the list add it. Just follow the same APA style as the other 100 entries. Cordially SirIsaacBrock 10:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Putting it in the incorrect format doesn't mean the book isn't informative. If someone doesn't know a format but wishes to contribute they should have the opportunity. Эйрон Кинни (t) 11:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Sir Issac! If you don't know everything about Wikipedia from the very second you discover Wikipedia, then Goddammit don't you even think of posting here! The last thing we need is people with good intent trying to help! If the book has no ISBN, then it does not exist! We don't care if you have the book in your hands, and can post scans of every page! No numbers, then the book doesn't exist! Right, Sir Issac? Keep your Goddam non-existant book that you posted scans of away from us, you filthy rotter! And stop being polite! You must be rude like Sir Issac and me! Only rudeness is allowed here, you dirty bastard! CaptainCaveman 05:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

"Indirectly related to Hitler" seems like a too-huge category[edit]

Couldn't every published book on the European theatre of WW2 fit this category? Unless someone wants to split it off into a List of World War II books, I'd suggest removing this section. --Delirium 05:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Comment - When the subsection gets to large a second list can be created. It would seem it is there to ensure that books do not get mixed in with the other topics more closely related to Hitler himself. Headphonos 12:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

"Annotated" bibliography?[edit]

About a month ago, the first line of this article was changed from "This List of Adolf Hitler Books is an annotated bibliography" to "This List of Adolf Hitler Books hopes to be an annotated bibliography" by an anon, with the edit summary, It is not annotated at all. This change was reverted by User:PianoKeys, with the summary, Annotated in this case means we have inter-wiki links to books that have articles written about them and their authors. If this is the case, then it would seem inappropriate to link the words "annotated bibliography" to the article annotated bibliography, as that article gives a rather different definition of an annotated bibliography than the one that User:PianoKeys suggests. For whatever it's worth, I'm inclined to agree with the anon that calling it an annotated bibliography at all is confusing at best. ergot 16:54, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Annotated in this case means many of the books titles are inter-wiki linked to an article about the book. Hence annotation, not all books have articles written about them at this time, perhaps they will in the near future. thanks. PianoKeys 21:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I realise that. What I am saying is that it does not make sense to link the article annotated bibliography in that sentence, as it provides a different definition of an annotated bibliography than the one being used here. ergot 16:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Not really, if you click on the inter-wiki link about the book it gives you the annotation at the article. PianoKeys 20:20, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
In other words, it's a list with links - not an annotated list. 24.16.181.1 (talk) 19:58, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

David Irving's thumbnail?[edit]

When you go through the item Doyle, D. (2005). Hitler's Medical Care you'll find following in chapter Acknowledgements: "The author acknowledges with gratitude the assistance of David Irving, the University of Marburg...". According to Wikipedia article on David Irving: "Irving's status as a historian has been widely discredited as a result of controversy arising from his Holocaust denial and misrepresentation of historical evidence." So, I don't think the medical care article is very reliable as a source and I don't recommend using it to anyone. I'm not sure though does the article deserve it's place in the list or not, but Irving's part should be recognized. --Ukas 00:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Will and Testament arent books[edit]

They are short texts, not books. --212.71.176.82 (talk) 15:00, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

It is related to his writings, so it should be included. Chessy999 (talk) 22:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Norman Mailer[edit]

The Castle in the Forest? Or is it non-fiction books only? SGGH speak! 11:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Non-fiction only. Chessy999 (talk) 11:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Richard Weikart's book[edit]

I removed the additon of Richard Weikart's book[1] from the list because as the author himself says, "you apparently became so outraged by the title that you assumed you knew the thesis before reading the book, leading you to incorrectly allege that I argue a straightforward "Darwin-to-Hitler" thesis."[2] The book, which I own, does not argue about a direct link to Hitler. The author concedes this. Its received such harsh criticism from historians you should becareful when citing it. We66er (talk) 22:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Non-English titles[edit]

OK, why titles in Dutch and Icelandic, and not any of the hundred other languages with books on Hitler? How likely is it that an English-speaking reading will be interested? German, well, that makes sense, given the significant literature. I see no reason, however, to privilege Dutch and Icelandic.... Bytwerk (talk) 01:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

If you don't have a separate subheader for different languages, users will add them to the main list, which is English. In other words, the main list will become a hodge-podge of different language books. Green Squares (talk) 13:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
This does not respond to my question of what use titles in Dutch and Icelandic will have for the English-speaking reader. I didn't remove the Foreign language section, only the Dutch and Icelandic subheadings. Of course editors can add anything they want. Others can remove it. My point is, unless we want to include books in every language, books on this page should be restricted to English (and probably German). Bytwerk (talk) 13:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, check the history of the article, you can see the problem and why it was resolved by using subheaders. Green Squares (talk) 20:10, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

here's one: After the war, Giesler wrote "Ein anderer Hitler" (Another Hitler), a personal memoir about his relationship with the dictator.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Giesler". must be an interesting one for historians since he shared the job of speer, that is regarded a prolific yet untrustworthy source.24.132.171.225 (talk) 02:50, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was support for move.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

Hi. Does anyone else find this article's current title, "List of Adolf Hitler books" either ambiguous (in the sense that it doesn't indicate whether the books are by or are about Hitler, or both) and/or ungrammatical ("Adolf Hitler" isn't an adjective)..? If so, how about "List of books by or about Adolf Hitler" or possibly something else? The same query about "List of Adolf Hitler speeches" is posted here. Sardanaphalus (talk) 00:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Oppose rename: I believe the title is appropriate for the article. It is succinct and clear, no need for a change. Green Squares (talk) 20:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
    • It may be succinct, but, unfortunately, it's ambiguous, as described above. (It's also ungrammatical, but that's secondary.) Do you see the ambiguity? Sardanaphalus (talk) 21:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
      I've now linked this discussion from Wikipedia:Requested moves in the hope of collecting some more opinions.
  • Support move to List of books by or about Adolph Hitler or similar. Definite improvement. Andrewa (talk) 14:56, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Support: Agreed. I have concerns with the ambiguity of the current title. The suggested title is much more suitable. Maedin\talk 14:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Hitler, A. (1941). My New Order. (Reynal & Hitchcock. ISBN B0007DN9B2)[edit]

A 1941 book would not have an ISBN. Is that a Library of Congress catalogue number? Varlaam (talk) 04:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Der Hitler-Prozeß (1924)[edit]

Was "Der Hitler-Prozeß vor dem Volksgericht in München" (1924) written by Hitler? OCLC seems to think so: OCLC 638670803. The German Wikipedia article, de:Hitler-Prozess, does not mention it, but that may be because there are only like 4 copies in all of Germany... (There are many more in the US than anywhere else.)

If so, it should definitely go in the list. Int21h (talk) 06:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I have done it. Int21h (talk) 06:00, 2 October 2013 (UTC)