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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move, after nearly a month of discussion. Cúchullain ^t/c 20:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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• Mario → Mario (character)
• Mario (disambiguation) → Mario

– It seems rather silly that the entry for just "Mario" is the video game character. I'm moving this page to Mario (character) similar to Kirby (character) or Master Chief (Halo). Please let me know if this has been discussed before. --Relisted. Steel1943 (talk) 13:44, 30 August 2014 (UTC) --Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 23:16, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Prisencolinensinainciusol - you really should bring this up for discussion before performing the move and/or starting to disambiguate links, not after. It has been discussed at least once before here, though this was back in 2007. Regardless, a move for a page this big with so many contributors should definitely be discussed. My two cents: I'm opposed to the move. Mario is by far the most common subject associated with the name and is the primary topic. Both Kirby and Halo are commonly associated to many other notably topics, especially Halo, which has a multitude of meanings in religion, mathematics, etc. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 23:35, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I can agree that Mario the Nintendo character is the most common reference to Mario, but not enough to warrant being the primary topic as delineated in WP:PTOPIC.--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 00:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

In a similar vein, I've moved what was previously at Luigi to Luigi (character).--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 02:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Please bring this up at somewhere like WP:VG since it would affect a lot of articles, and you'll get a lot of input there. And as someone else said, please don't make the changes pre-emptively - discuss first and make sure there is consensus to do so. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 10:34, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose - See the green subsection above, when this was rejected in 2010. Sergecross73 msg me 10:37, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
• Strong oppose, as per Sergecross73. Mario is the primary topic here, as a quick Google search shows. Additionally, most if not all of the real people named Mario are not known by just their first name - so suggesting that someone who is looking for, say, Mario Lemieux, will just type "Mario" into the search bar and not his full name is absurd. Satellizer (´ ･ ω ･ `) 23:56, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose, agreed that Mario is the primary topic. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 14:21, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Relisting comment: At this point, the discussion was converted into a formal Wikipedia:Requested moves discussion.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

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• Weak Oppose - No argument presented. "It seems rather silly" is not a reason to rename. 2010 consensus still stands. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 14:57, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

• Changed to weak in light of GBooks results, and arguments about the general importance of other Marios (especially Mario Lemieux), as well as in light of my own obvious bias in favor of VG. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 22:42, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support - this is the primary topic for video games fans. There are people on the planet who aren't. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:29, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Noting again, the benchmark for any primary topic is Google Book hits and a result which is

and more likely than all the other topics combined

is this Mario 50%+ of all Google Book results, yes or no? In ictu oculi (talk) 22:33, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Most of those are not books about Marios other than the VG character; they are results of books authored by people named "Mario". Excluding these coincidental results, on the first three pages, I see a few about the VG character (ISBN 1101517638, ISBN 1591845637), one about Mario Lanza, one about Mario Vargas Llosa, two about Mario Lemieux, and Mario: A Novel by fr:Claude Jasmin. But I am not willing to base my decision solely and exclusively on this fact. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 22:37, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support per IIO. There is a broader world of Marios outside of video games. Also, the long-term significance of the video game character is questionable. (I may be taking a longer-term view of what 'long-term' means here than some people would.) —BarrelProof (talk) 17:14, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support, there should be best possible links to Mario (given name). Gregkaye (talk) 17:26, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support – the primarytopic claim here is ridiculous. Dicklyon (talk) 17:40, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
• Comment - As per Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias I know this isn't official wikipedia style or policy but in my opinion Worldwide Perspective ought to be considered in the title as well.--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 18:05, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Right; a character known worldwide is more significant by far than an extremely rare name among every non-white nationality (and most white nationalities). Red Slash 21:30, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

• I would have to oppose here. Mario the character is known all over the world, probably more than any other Mario. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 20:47, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

"probably more than any other Mario" does not come close to satisfying primarytopic criteria. Dicklyon (talk) 02:10, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Let me reiterate, then. Looking at everything that is known as just "Mario" in the world, there is no topic that even comes close in worldwide meaning. All other topics combined don't even come close in worldwide meaning to the game character. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 19:25, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support. I suspect the demographics of Wikipedia users has led to an underestimate of how many people have no idea who the videogame character Mario is. McPhail (talk) 20:49, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - no argument of any sort has presented itself over why a name has primary topic over a character with long-term educational significance. None. Jack. Nada. Vague assertions and hand-waves aren't even remotely convincing, not when pageviews and links are ridiculously in favor of the character. See WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Red Slash 21:30, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@Red Slash: @WPGA2345:@Salvidrim!: can someone please do a Google Book search and say what % of Google Book hits for "Mario" relate to this Mario? In ictu oculi (talk) 22:08, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi:No, we can't. Google search results are completely meaningless non-statistics. Even worse than the trope that statistics are lies, is the fact that the idea that Google search results are a statistic is a lie. You may as well consult cards and runes. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 22:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

A large majority from my POV but I assume that Google tracks my search history and whatnot, so it's hardly neutral. I am utterly convinced that the video game character is, by an insane margin, the most widely used definition of the title "Mario", and nothing else even comes close to the degree of primarytopic-ness. The article even demonstrates that Mario is amongst the most recognizable figure in the world. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 22:33, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@Salvidrim!: I'll make an observation. It seems to me that many people consider the lack of any parenthetical identifier suffix on an article's name, to be an achievement award bestowed by ad hoc handful of volunteer Wikipedians who are self-appointed evaluators of the global psychoperceptual zeitgeist. That's not a matter of record-keeping or facts, but almost of fandom. We are here to record what objectively is. Our Mario is only a character, and nothing is even so much as affected by saying so. I say that as much as I despise this foolish and chaotic calling of votes upon a personal whim which disrespectfully flies in the face of the community's established consensus. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 22:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@Salvidrim!: I don't think Google Books necessarily tracks your search history, but just for illustration tell us, without clearing cookies, of the first 10 books in your search for "Mario" how many relate to Mario the video games character? Then click through to page 6 of results and say how many there. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:37, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi:That is not an illustration, unless you mean refrigerator magnet art. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 22:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

See my reply inline to your earlier comment. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 22:42, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@Smuckola: I don't oppose to this article being titled Mario (character), the parenthetical disambiguator isn't an issue. I just don't think pointing Mario anywhere but here serves the readers. Yes, I am biased in favor of video games, but I expect that a significant proportion of the readership searching for Mario also is. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 22:59, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@Salvidrim!: I think that's well said! :) So I guess one should vote here both upon the name of the article and the target of a redirect of the name "Mario". Thanks. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 23:03, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose per above - Lets be honest - Unless you live in a cave you would know who Mario is, I personally see no point or benefit to the proposed name other than stating the obvious!. –Davey2010 • (talk) 21:05, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support—I don't live in a cave, and I don't have a clue who "Mario" is. The first-name by itself is ludicrously unkind to readers who are searching. It wastes people's time. Tony (talk) 01:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - Per Red Slash below: "This article receives an absurdly high usage percentage of people looking for 'Mario'." Quintessential WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, therefore the proposed move would be unnecessary disambiguation. --В²C ☎ 17:21, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

And everyone who's looking for another Mario? Tony (talk) 02:35, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Click the Mario (disambiguation) link at the top of the page. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:39, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Tony: and everyone who's looking for another Mario? That's an argument against WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, which has always had strong consensus support. By definition the title of a primary topic article is ambiguous, and people looking for other uses will be taken to the primary topic article never-the-less. That's why we have hat note links, and why we limit the use of ambiguous titles to primary topics, like this one. --В²C ☎ 16:54, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Well-known as the video game character is, he's not the primary topic. In any case, I would suspect that most people who aren't video game nerds would know him better as "Super Mario", whether that is his correct name or not. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:07, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
• Support, even though I have a bias towards video game subjects that originated from the 1980s–1990s. If I have bias, why do I support this move? Well, the term "Mario" doesn't make me immediately think of this character, but "Super Mario" does. Steel1943 (talk) 14:27, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps then, Mario>Super Mario, Super Mario>Super Mario (disambiguation), and Mario (disambiguation)>Mario? ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 14:35, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• @Salvidrim!: I'm neutral on that idea, mainly because the character, in recent times, has established a name for himself that doesn't include the "Super" adjective. To me, that idea is almost like trying to start a move discussion to move Princess Peach to Princess Toadstool; it's a bit outdated, and may not apply to all of the regions of the world that speak English. Steel1943 (talk) 14:46, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• @Salvidrim!: However, I am in belief that Super Mario should redirect to this article; I may imitate that move discussion after this one is finished. Steel1943 (talk) 17:36, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• [Further comment] Systemic bias and other reasons not to move - I'm willing to bet that if Mario was not a name for white people, this move wouldn't have even been proposed. "Mario" as a name is heavily overrepresented in Europe compared to other places (duh, as it's a name from Italy) - on a worldwide scale the character is far more notable. (Which article are people in India more likely to be looking for? Well, pageviews already have told us, but even so, it's not a difficult mental jump to realize that unless you're of Italian descent or have other connections to Italy, you're far more likely to know Mario as a video game character than to know any actual person named Mario.) I'm also just going to throw out the fact that nobody has provided actual evidence that the article on a name (not actual people, mind--a name) has educational significance rivaling the article on a globally recognizable and significant character. There are only two criteria listed for determining primary topic--usage and long-term significance. Neither criterion has prominence over the other; in any case, usage is an absolute blowout. This article receives an absurdly high usage percentage of people looking for "Mario". And no case has been made for why a name could possibly have more long-term significance than the character. There's no case to move based on what's been presented here. Red Slash 17:23, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

You're nuts. You'd diss all the real Marios for a video-game character? Dicklyon (talk) 04:57, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

RedFlash, I've indented that to the same format as everyone else and added [Further comment] Given that for music fans Mario (American singer) is probably more important than a pixel-man from their parents' generation, I though the race comment was bizarre. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:44, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Goodness, have y'all read WP:PTM before? Essentially no one else is known simply as "Mario"; the people named Mario don't have much standing here. And In ictu oculi, people are voting with their eyeballs, and nobody else receives more than a sliver of the interest that the character gets. And as for the race comment, well, it's hard for me to believe that, if a French international franchise appropriated an uncommon Vietnamese name and created a character of this magnitude, we'd have any debates over where the primary topic is. Red Slash 02:39, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

The partial title match guideline applies to disambiguation pages, not anthroponymy lists. Disregarding for the moment the trivial argument that all the people named Mario are in a way known as simply Marios, we've actually got articles on two notable people who are mononymously known as Marios, just like the character. So, the claim that essentially no one else is known simply as "Mario" is simply false. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:51, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

In ictu oculi: I understand that you are not a gamer nor a big fan of that artform. However, attempting to belittle or denigrate this article's topic (a pixel-man from their parent's generation) is not an appropriate way to support your opinion that the video game character is not the primary worldwide use of the name "Mario". Your GBooks argument was far more polite, civil and convincing. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 02:49, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

User:Salvidrim! possibly. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:00, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

• Support, while the common Italian name isn't as old as Luigi, the fictional character's long-term significance is still dubious in comparison. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an index of popular things on the Internet. The other obvious move destination for the character page is Super Mario, a title that unambiguously refers to the intended topic area and should be equally as recognizable. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:36, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

There are multiple games were Super is not used and the character himself is not actually called Super Mario. I see a case for a redirect but not a rename since the character's name is Mario.--69.157.252.247 (talk) 00:36, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

• I agree with the IP; the character is more known these days as just "Mario", but the term "Super Mario" usually refers to the character. (There's a discussion related to this currently happening right now on Talk:Super Mario.) Steel1943 (talk) 01:24, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

The way I look it, if we know that there's a reasonable degree of ambiguity when you mention the term "Mario" in generic context, when someone asks you "Which Mario?", the most common answer will be "Mario, the video game character", and the most succinct answer will be "Super Mario". The word "character" on its own, while it is common as a Wikipedia disambiguation marker, doesn't quite strike me as the most natural turn of phrase. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 09:53, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Once again while several games in the series have used Super Mario I am not aware of the character himself being named that. For that reason we should not use Super Mario as the tiyle.--69.157.252.247 (talk) 01:17, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

• Support There are a ton of people named Mario. It's a very common name and has existed for a long time. Clearly, it takes precedence as the primary topic, over the character. TBWarrior720 (talk) 10:13, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. I see no real evidence the Nintendo character isn't the primary topic for the term Mario. This proposal was previously rejected for the same lack of evidence. We don't go by gut feelings and what "seems rather silly" in the words of the nominator. Calidum ^{Talk To Me} 21:18, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Is the fact that it's one of the most popular masculine names worldwide not evidence? Or the fact that there are not only a ton of people named Mario that have Wikipedia articles, but that there are some that do go by the mononym "Mario"? TBWarrior720 (talk) 10:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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Image use

I feel that we should include a shot from Super Mario Bros., which I feel is more important than Mario Kart. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 01:01, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

For future use

In 2010, 93% of Americans knew who Mario was. I do not feel that any other human being named Mario [surname] is nearly that known. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 01:01, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

At the very least it would bring an end to any attempt to resurrect the pixelman man from my parents generation argument.--69.157.253.160 (talk) 06:17, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2015

Please change where it says that Bowser jr. stole the magical paintbrush, in the game, if i'm not mistaken, he says that E. Gadd gave the paintbrush to him. not stolen. UmbreonInvaderz (talk) 22:09, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

 Question: @UmbreonInvaderz: Are you requesting that "having stolen the paintbrush" be changed to "having received the paintbrush"? and by "he says" are you indicating that it is within the game Super Mario Sunshine (primary source) that the paintbrush was given?  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  23:54, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 12:21, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2015

Minecrafter4718 (talk) 19:53, 18 May 2015 (UTC)  Not done No request specified. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:55, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2015

I want to add some information on the newer games that have come out. Lightningflamingice (talk) 20:47, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Lightningflamingice: You have to describe exactly what you want changed. If you would like to provide new information, you'll also need to provide adequate sources. Others can then discuss whether the proposed change is appropriate - and if it is, an editor who is able to edit the page can do so for you. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 20:55, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

"Mediums"

The plural of "medium" is "media". This is a rather glaring error in the first couple paragraphs of a vital article.71.218.188.233 (talk) 01:56, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2015

108.49.36.4 (talk) 22:37, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Not done No request specified. Zappa24Mati 22:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2015

Mario is expired

File:Mario

EXPIRED!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.36.4 (talk) 22:41, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2015

On September 15 2015 it was released that Mario's last name is in fact Mario. Therefore the last sentence in the last paragraph of the concept and creation part needs to be changed. "Nintendo has never revealed Mario's full name, stating only that it was not "Mario Mario" despite the implication of the Mario Bros. series' title, its use in the live-action film adaptation, and information given in the Prima official Guidebook to Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga." Is no longer correct. Link to source:

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74.115.103.221 (talk) 20:02, 30 November 2015 (UTC) Jon 74.115.103.221 (talk) 20:02, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Not done: As recently as September 2015, Miyamoto has said they have no official last names, in an interview with GameInformer. This interview was done the same week as the event the getnews.jp source covers. Nintendoeverything appears to have mistranslated something with Google, or something that was a joke was taken as fact. As Nintendoeverything does not appear to be an RS, I am going to go with the GameInformer interview, from the same celebrations/interview cycle, as correct. -- ferret (talk) 02:27, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

No useful ingame image of the original Mario in the article

[[:Image:NES Super Mario Bros.png|right|thumb|256px|Mario in Super Mario Bros., one of the first games he starred in.]] As of this edit there's not a single image of initial Mario as he became known in this article (such as the image on the right). Instead there's a useless image of the red M and one of Mario in a "Tanooki Suit". Could that be changed somehow? Or all useful, ingame images of Mario in his first games locked away?

--Fixuture (talk) 20:17, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

There is an animation of Mario's sprite in Super Mario Bros. An entire screenshot is unnecessary, as it includes a bunch of stuff that isn't Mario. Reach Out to the Truth 01:46, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

This page shouldn't be under Mario

This Article,Mario, and of his brother, Luigi, and Yoshi currently occupy the 'top level' naming for their respective articles - But why? There is nothing unique about their naming or anything unique enough to differentiate it form any other Mario, Luigi or Yoshi, and therefore should be changed to be uniform with the likes of Bowser (character). This is unlike, for instance, Tom Sawyer, whose 'title' goes beyond that of merely a first name and is not merely 'Tom' - The same goes for the likes of Pac-man because that is an indistinguishable name. Of course, I understand that it's in Nintendo's favor that it remains this way, however for the sake of every other Mario, Luigi and Yoshi featured on Wikipedia this should not be the case. Sonic the Hedgehog, for instance, does not get exclusive rights to the page Sonic. --Crododon (talk) 20:06, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Agreed, the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of Mario is undoubtedly currently under Mario (given name). Its this article title very likely fails to include a WP:WORLDVIEW.--Prisencolin (talk) 01:47, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Si, si. The given name is the primary topic. Same for Luigi. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:56, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Agreed obviously. Drake, Usher, and even Madonna have parenthesis around there names. And Mario, which is the given name of dozens of people, does not??? I think there is some "nerd culture" type bias around Wikipedia editors and looking through the archives, this has been a controversial topic for a long time, so I doubt it will be changed. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 07:17, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Mario's official age according to Miyamoto

According to Shigeru Miyamoto, in a Japanese interview from 2005 which was recently reposted by Nintendo, Mario is 24-25 years old.195.67.78.50 (talk) 07:19, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2016

Add Mario's Religion Minot Duck (talk) 21:45, 19 November 2016 (UTC) My source is Paper Mario wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manhattan Penthouse (talk • contribs) 22:22, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JudgeRM (talk to me) 21:48, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Nintendo Switch and Yoshi

Could you add information about the upcoming Super Mario Odyssey? Also, could Yoshi be considered a power up? Bcambri95 (talk) 20:50, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2017

Martinet himself actually stated he auditioned for the role and got the part of Mario in 1990, not 1994/1995. In the links below, it shows and talks about when he auditioned for the role, it say 1990 he got the role. If someone can please fix that info in the Infobox section near Charles Martinet's name from 1995 to 1990. He also stated it in an interview that can be see on YouTube here:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jcdIqTFgWRA, he stated in the video that he crashed the audition in 1990.

Links:http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/10/voice_of_mario_was_inspired_by_a_shakespearean_character, http://www.realclearlife.com/technology/charles-martinet-voice-behind-nintendos-mario/, http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-19664003 2600:1000:B071:32A0:85C9:EA25:A54F:F830 (talk) 19:19, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:57, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2017

Add the following under "In Other Media":

Mario appears as the in-game announcer in Pac-Man Vs.

(The GameCube game was developed as a collaboration between Namco and Nintendo, hence the inclusion of commentary by Mario. I'm uncertain whether the commentary was retained for the DS or upcoming Switch versions, however.)

136.181.195.25 (talk) 19:40, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Done Morphdog^{what did I do now?} 19:59, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2017

Under Appearances, very early on, it says "In the 1983 arcade game Mario Bros., Mario and his younger brother Luigi are portrayed as Italian-American[10]". However reference 10 does not mention the word Italian-American. It simply says Italian. To the Japanese creators 'Italian' would mean someone from Italy, so it's possible when Miyamoto said Mario was Italian, he did not mean that Mario was American. 86.44.140.237 (talk) 16:42, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: The actual quote in the source cited is: "Now with Mario, I think with Mario Bros. we had a setting of course that was underground, so I just decided Mario is a plumber. Let's put him in New York and he can be Italian." That would indicate that the game designer thought of Mario as an Italian living in America, or Italian-American in simpler terms. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:30, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

I believe Italian-American means an American citizen with Italian heritage, as opposed to an Italian in America. I'm basing it off this 86.44.140.237 (talk) 21:41, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

A Google Ireland Dictionary definition is not going to be considered a reliable source by most Wikipedia editors. You are welcome to open a separate discussion here on this talk page about Italian versus Italian-American, but you will need to establish a consensus among the editors before we can change the article. Thank you. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:13, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

References

Remove semi protected status

The article is safe and vandalism is down substantially. Why continue to deny aspiring editors their God given American right to add original content? The Dark days for video game articles are over on Wikipedia and the time has come for sparkling new insights. Open the flood gate and let the editing begin.96.2.106.146 (talk) 21:27, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

"God given American right"? There could be a valid argument for removing protection, but that is not it... Sergecross73 msg me 00:40, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

96, as long as both of us merely remain IP addresses, neither of us will be able to edit protected articles. Wikipedia has every right to create its own rules. In the meantime, your right to edit this article isn't being curtailed; create an account and edit away in good faith. Or as an IP you could on this talk page submit an edit request and say what it is you would like changed; someone will reply and indicate if your edit request is approved. Hope this helps. 63.248.183.82 (talk) 08:52, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2017

Change "His younger brother and sidekick is Luigi." to "His fraternal twin brother and sidekick is Luigi" in the first paragraph.

Siliconred (talk) 23:14, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:33, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2017

mario is human and wasnt born on yoshis island Aqua abyss (talk) 10:55, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:23, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2018

In the top picture where it says, "Mario as seen in New Super Mario Bros. Wii," the caption needs to pertain to the game shown, which is Super Mario Oddysey. Tom gordon (talk) 20:26, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Done JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:37, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

please let me edit the article

i know a lot about mario — Preceding unsigned comment added by Handbabyy (talk • contribs) 01:05, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree you should be able to make changes to the article Gudu8 (talk) 05:01, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

This game has different features that we should be able to add!! Gudu8 (talk) 05:02, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

You may present potential changes or additions you want to make here, and I'll add it for you if its appropriate. Sergecross73 msg me 13:40, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

That is the newest picture but what about old pictures?

You should change the picture Gudu8 (talk) 04:59, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

This is precisely one of the reasons pages often get locked from anonymous editing. People get caught up arguing over changing the picture. The picture is fine, it doesn't need to be changed. Sergecross73 msg me 13:38, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

That lead image of Mario doesn't show him being seen in New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Why does it show him being seen in Super Mario Odyssey?Esagurton (talk) 10:00, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Probably because that's the most recent game, with his most recent design? Sergecross73 msg me 13:31, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Mario#Film

Please add Super Mario Bros.: Peach-Hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen! to Mario#Film. -- 16:59, 5 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14C:B5:85F8:E1AC:F833:CAC8:DC2D (talk)

Lead image

I think this image is more appropriate as lead image because its more "iconic". I suggest to change the image rather than using the latest ones. Per MOS:LEADIMAGE it should be "what our readers will expect to see". Only people who play new game would know and relate to this picture while on the other hand most people would relate to the picture I proposed. --Hddty. (talk) 16:03, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

They're both extremely similar, and obviously the same character. No one would not recognize the current image as not Mario. And it's taken from the most recent game that just sold 9 million copies. This is just more getting into people squabbling over their personal preferences. Sergecross73 msg me 16:15, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

The Main Section Is Incorrect

The Super Mario World cartoon which aired in 2001 has the voice actor Walker Boone play Mario, But the article states "Since 1990, Mario has been voiced by Charles Martinet." Can someone please fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.0.175 (talk) 06:39, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure if this was due misreading on your the page or there was some subtile vandalism at the time but the show came out in 1991 which makes sense since that was the year the game was released in North America.--67.68.210.105 (talk) 01:01, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2018

Mario's full name is Mario Mario, you can tell this from the name "Mario Bros." TheManTheMythTheLegend1015 (talk) 18:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. qwerty6811 :-) Chat Ping me 18:49, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Please, don't attempt to apply "real world logic" to "fictional character/game universes". Sergecross73 msg me 18:50, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2018

Under 'Characteristics', 'Occupation and hobbies', it currently reads:

In September 2017, Nintendo confirmed on their official Japanese profile for the character that Mario was no longer considered a plumber, most likely due to his various occupations and hobbies.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://kotaku.com/mario-is-officially-no-longer-a-plumber-1799118840|title=Mario Is Officially No Longer A Plumber|last=Ashcraft|first=Brian|website=Kotaku|date=September 4, 2017|accessdate=September 4, 2017}}</ref>

However just over a week ago on 03/06/18, Kotaku published an article (which in turn was first noticed from a Reddit post published a day prior on 05/03/18) confirming that the official Japanese profile that originally stated this had since been changed to state "'His occupation is plumber.'"

So my suggestion is that the information in that section of the article gets changed to something like this:

In September 2017, Nintendo initially confirmed on their official Japanese profile for the character that Mario was no longer considered a plumber, most likely due to his various occupations and hobbies.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://kotaku.com/mario-is-officially-no-longer-a-plumber-1799118840|title=Mario Is Officially No Longer A Plumber|last=Ashcraft|first=Brian|website=Kotaku|date=September 4, 2017|accessdate=September 4, 2017}}</ref> However as of March 2018, the Japanese profile has since been rectified to state that Mario's occupation is still a plumber.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://kotaku.com/mario-is-officially-a-plumber-again-1823545849|title=Mario Is Officially A Plumber Again|last=Schreier|first=Jason|website=Kotaku|date=March 6, 2018|accessdate=March 18, 2018}}</ref>

Minccinda (talk) 12:46, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done, thank you. Gulumeemee (talk) 07:44, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

About the Main Image

Can somebody change the main image of Mario that shows him being seen in Mario Party: The Top 100? Esagurton (talk) 11:27, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Why is this necessary? Sergecross73 msg me 01:36, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sergecross73:I like seeing Mario alone rather than with Cappy in Super Mario Odyssey. See if can you find that image on www.mariowiki.com which is https://www.mariowiki.com/File:Mario_MP100.png. Esagurton (talk) 11:14, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

We don't usually changes images based solely on personal preferences. We mostly just want them to recognizeable to your general reader. Given Super Mario Odyssey sold like 9 million copies in the last year, the current image is just fine. Sergecross73 msg me 01:47, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: I've had enough of seeing that image of Mario that shows him being seen in Super Mario Odyssey! Can you find an image of Mario that shows him alone?! YOU MANIAC!!!Esagurton (talk) 11:44, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

That's fine reasoning if we're talking about something like, lets say, changing the background image of your cell phone or computer. But we're talking about a public article that 2,000 to 3,000 people see every day. The fact that your only argument is that you don't like it isn't good enough to warrant a change. (Think realistically - if it was, people would change the image all the time.)

I also recommend you stop with this "maniac" nonsense. It goes against our policy on no personal attacks, and it looks like you're already on thin ice, based on your block log... Sergecross73 msg me 12:24, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: I'm sorry I called you a maniac. Could you forgive me?Esagurton (talk) 22:12, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes, you're forgiven. It's not so much the name-calling that bothers me, but rather, the weird direct this discussion keeps taking... Sergecross73 msg me 22:58, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2018

update Mario picture ItsYeahBoi (talk) 10:43, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done - Looks like someone changed it to an older version without discussing. Restored. Sergecross73 msg me 12:20, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2018

46.0.194.74 (talk) 15:45, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 15:49, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Signature

The latest trailer for Mario Tennis Aces reveals that Mario has a signature. Should we include it into the article? Are fictional characters even allowed to have signatures in Wikipedia articles? Leader Vladimir (talk) 23:24, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the importance of that would be...I don't think it's worth mentioning. Sergecross73 msg me 23:57, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2018

Putting this here to suggest updating the header image for Mario, as Nintendo has released an improved render for New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe. HotJebus (talk) 02:51, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done - We don’t change his image every time Nintendo releases a new image of him. That would lead to constant changing with no real benefit. Sergecross73 msg me 03:01, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2018

The Wikipedia link displays Mario's species as "human" which is correct, but it links to "homo sapiens" when Mario's in universe species is "homo nintendonus" Booger-mike (talk) 19:13, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. I searched the article for "human" and "homo sapiens" and didn't find what you're talking about. Please clarify. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 19:29, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

It links to that because homo nintendonus is not a thing, and as such has no article. Sergecross73 msg me 22:29, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2018

character

Add "Similar to Kirby's copy ability." after "Mario is the protagonist of the Nintendo Switch game Super Mario Odyssey, where the character Cappy replaces Mario's traditional hat, allowing Mario to throw it like a long-range weapon, and "capture" enemies to gain their abilities." at the end of 2006-present. My source is https://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/detail/kirby-amiibo-kirby-seriesTheLegendOfInky (talk) 20:13, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:20, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Additionally, that source is not enough to verify the claim. You need a source that would literally state that Mario/Cappy is similar to Kirby. And that's if this is necessary at all - I'm not sure we need an example to illustrate this basic concept. Sergecross73 msg me 02:56, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Jumpman

Can you add a hat about "Jumpman" and link to the Jumpman video game? 2601:647:CB02:5034:5460:4CCA:4237:DF12 (talk) 00:33, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Begoon 07:13, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Questions

What vandalism happened? Why is there almost nothing about Super Mario Odyssey? ThePRoGaMErGD (talk) 18:20, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

The page history doesn’t show any recent vandalism. As far as Odyssey goes, it’s only a character article, not the video game series article. There’s not a ton of character info to add here from that. There’s more info at Super Mario and of course it’s own article, Super Mario Odyssey. Sergecross73 msg me 18:28, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

I want to add paragraph on Mario Section called "Film"

I want to add the following Paragraph:"On 2014, A SONY Hack reveled they were with Nintendo to produce a film based on the Mario Series. On 2017, Nintendo annouced that they were to instead team up with Universal and Illumination. Miyamoto will be "Front and Center" with the film and It will release sometime in 2022." SuperEditer2987 (talk) 16:18, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done - You need sources to verify all this info. Sergecross73 msg me 16:28, 28 July 2019 (UTC)