Talk:Michael Collins (astronaut)

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In the Shadow of the Moon book[edit]

Can anyone verify that Collins contributed to the book? I do not have it. Kees08 (Talk) 02:05, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't think so. Worldcat says Francis French and Colin Burgess ; with a foreword by Walter Cunningham. TJRC (talk) 06:37, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Collins EVAs[edit]

One NASA source indicates he partook in one EVA, while we say two. Likely that is because we are counting the standup EVA as an EVA, and NASA is not (in that source at least). I agree with the NASA source, since a standup EVA is not really an EVA (nothing extra-vehicular about it). I am going to leave it as-is for now, until I can consult with some other sources and see what they say, but unless I find sources that count it as two EVAs, I will remove the second EVA and count it as one.

You know, it counts both times in his EVA times but only counts it as one EVA. Could just be an error on their part. I will continue to look into it. Kees08 (Talk) 02:09, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

When he flew the airplane[edit]

The 'when' tag for He took his first ride in a plane may not have an answer. Page 7 of carrying the fire does not mention his age; the page before says he was ten. It also said he was there 'a couple of years'. This narrows it down to a range of 8 to 12 years old, but does not say specifically how old he was. What to do with the tag? Kees08 (Talk) 03:30, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

I removed the tag; I do not think it is possible to source it with reliable sources. Kees08 (Talk) 08:04, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Carrying the fire[edit]

@Hawkeye7: Couple of questions. First: I have the 2009 edition of the book Carrying the Fire, but the article is primarily sourced from the 2001 edition. Should I convert the 2001 edition to my page numbers, or is it fine to have two editions cited? Second, the book was originally published under a different publisher (Farrar, Straus & Giroux, Inc) and the 2001 and 2009 editions were published by Cooper Square Press. Which do I use as the publisher tag? Kees08 (Talk) 08:06, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

My copy is the 2001 edition. Use the publisher and OCLC of the edition you are using. I'm not sure if the 2001 and 2009 editions differ (it would be more convenient if they don't), but it's okay to use two editions of the same book. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:19, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
@Hawkeye7: The page numbers are different (hurray..). Another question: do you have Neil Armstrong: A Life of Flight? I believe it could support He was safely rescued and returned to Chaumont AB, where a wait of several hours ensued, as the base's flight surgeon had joined search parties looking for Collins. based on the citation near it. I did not see mention of it in the first couple chapters of Collins' book. Kees08 (Talk) 06:57, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
There is a section on this page that talks about the ejection as well, if that helps. Kees08 (Talk) 07:54, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Nevermind, I thought the book was in full chronological order and it is not. I listen to the book on audiobook and also have the paper copy, and had not gotten that far. Long story short, it is cited now, and I will write the paragraph up proper at a later date. Kees08 (Talk) 06:28, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

SETP Fellow[edit]

According to http://www.setp.org/setp-personnel/fellow-classes.html, Collins was inducted as an SETP Fellow in 2011. Skeet Shooter (talk) 12:25, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

You know, I remember being on that page for some reason. Not sure how I missed it. Added it, thanks! Kees08 (Talk) 18:32, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Collins children[edit]

@TJRC: Thank you for adding the bit about Kate! I did not think about doing circa, I suppose I had similar sources I could have used for that. Do you happen to have information on his other children? It is fine having just Kate in there, and I will look for that information, just thought I would check. Thanks! Kees08 (Talk) 03:10, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't. In the talk pages above, under the subject #Children in 2007, there's a message saying that his son Michael Jr. had died some years prior to that; and in another exchange at #Rank, there's an exchange with User:KCMCAC6 saying Collins is his/her father. I'd assumed from the "KC" portion of the userid that that was Kate; but that's just my guesswork.
It used to bother me, not being able to document things like this: offspring, exact dates or years of birth, etc. But, really, I've come to view Wikipedia as a repository for information that is generally available. If the world at large had not seen fit to document Collins's family, my take is that Wikipedia ought not to be the place where that happens for the first time. TJRC (talk) 21:17, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Actually, with a little bit of creative googling:
  • "My wife and three children (Kate, Ann and Michael) and I moved to Houston in January of 1964."[1]
  • References to "her daughter Kate of Chicago" and "her other daughter, Ann Starr of Belmont" in Patricia Collins's 2014 obituary in the Boston Globe.[2] (No mention of Michael, Jr.; understandably if he had predeceased Patricia as the 2007 note above asserts.)
  • In Carrying The Fire: "I have picked a crater in the Foaming Sea (Mare Spumans) and have named it KAMP, in honor of my children and wife (Kate, Ann, Michael and Patricia)."[3]
TJRC (talk) 21:33, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
And I just thought to check my physical copy of Chaikin's A Man On The Moon; it lists them with birth years in Appendix A, Astronaut Biographical Information:
"children: Kathleen, 1959; Ann, 1961; Michael, 1963 (deceased)"[4]
Chaikin gives as his reference (for the entire appendix, not this datum in particular) "Hawthorne, Men and Women of Space", which I assume is this.[5]
So we do have pretty good cites for all children, and the years, now. TJRC (talk) 03:07, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Collins, Michael (1994). Flying to the moon: an astronaut's story (Second edition ed.). New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux (BYR). p. 19. ISBN 9781429929479.CS1 maint: Extra text (link)
  2. ^ Marquard, Bryan (May 4, 2014). "Patricia Collins, 83; wrote poignantly about being an astronaut's wife". Boston Globe. Retrieved May 3, 2018.
  3. ^ Collins, Michael (2001). Carrying the Fire: An Astronaut's Journey. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 393. ISBN 9780815410287.
  4. ^ Chaikin, Andrew (1998). A man on the Moon: the voyages of the Apollo astronauts. New York, N.Y.: Penguin Books. p. 587. ISBN 0140272011.
  5. ^ Hawthrone, Douglas B. (1991). Men and women of space. San Diego, CA: Univelt, Inc. ISBN 9780912183084.
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Michael Collins (astronaut)

Michael Collins
Michael Collins

Improved to Good Article status by Hawkeye7 (talk) and Kees08 (talk). Nominated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk) at 09:42, 27 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Review by Maile
QPQ
  • QPQ provided has not been used elsewhere
Eligibility
  • IAR, per WT:DYK discussion "IAR? Question re planned event July 21 50th anniversary of the Moon Landing"
  • Article achieved GA status October 22, 2018
Sourcing
  • Extensively cited with reliable and varied sourcing
Hook
  • Coffeeandcrumbs Please suggest another hook. Per WP:DYK, the hook needs to be cited at the end of the sentence where mentioned in the article. Other than the lead, where Hawkeye7 had recapped the article content, I don't find the hook stated in any one sentence or location in the article, even on a word search. An ALT hook, please. — Maile (talk) 12:54, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I just cited the first part of the hook since it would benefit the FAC. Here it is as an ALT:
Hopefully I can get the second part cited as well. It looks like I miscounted anyway (fixed here at least) but it seems interesting. However I don't want to sabotage the FAC. Let's just go with this ALT 1 for now.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:54, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
ALT1 stated in the article and cited twice at the end of the sentence. — Maile (talk) 14:04, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
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Symbol confirmed.svg ALT1 hook and nomination passes for 50th Anniversary of Apollo 11.— Maile (talk) 14:13, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I'm confused. In the lead it says he was the first to perform 2 spacewalks, but in the body it says he was the first to perform 2 spacewalks in the same mission. I think that last detail is important to add to the hook. Yoninah (talk) 00:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
He was both. The first to perform a second spacewalk and the first to perform two space walks in the same mission. Pick your poison! And phrase it how you like. You can link to List of spacewalkers where he is list as the fourth ever who performed EVA 1 and EVA 2 on the Gemini 10 mission. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:45, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks. Restoring tick per Maile's review. Yoninah (talk) 00:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Units, altitude[edit]

Inconsistent primary unit vs conversion unit for orbital altitudes, sometimes miles, sometimes kilometers. I'd straighten it out myself but unsure which order to use. Always thought NASA preferred nautical miles anyway. Also in the Gemini 10 section, all mission times are ambiguous AM vs PM. Launch at 05:20 local? Rairden (talk) 01:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done The order can be found in WP:UNITS: In non-scientific articles with strong ties to the United States, the primary units are US customary. This creates all sorts of problems, but I think JustinTime55 and I have resolved them. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:13, 5 July 2019 (UTC)