Talk:Mousa Dembélé (Belgian footballer)

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Statistics

Dembele's statistics are slightly outdated, and I have just tried to edit them, but my perfectly acceptable and constructive edits have been removed and labelled as 'disruptive editing'. I believe keeping this kind of information should be kept up to date and I do not see why this would be labelled disruptive, as it is in fact the opposite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.127.217.164 (talk) 01:39, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well I updated them just now, very often because people fail to update the date stamp for the update. Govvy (talk) 12:58, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

On another note, I was wonder about the stats table, maybe it should be expanded, at the moment Europe is holding both Europa league and Champions league games, I feel this should be separated into two columns. There is no note for other either, should the other be covering league cup? Govvy (talk) 12:58, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Debut

He made his debut against Armenia, not Azerbaijan.--Villa88 (talk) 00:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, he made his debut against slovakia http://www.ronaldzwiers.0catch.com/Clubs/B/Belgie/2006/slobel2006.htm may 20th 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.198.203.228 (talk) 00:05, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

If anyone adds anything about his religion again I'll explode. There is absolutely no proof at all so stop adding rubbish. Spiderone (talk) 15:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Mousa or Moussa? Thingymajig1 (talk) 16:25, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Most official websites have it as Moussa just about to correct lead but saw his official(?) twitter account has Mousa, so none the wiser!Tmol42 (talk) 17:39, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect name

Based on his official twitter account (twitter.com/mousadembele) and the fact the British press have now altered the way in which they are spelling his name, I think it's fair to say that 'Mousa' is the correct spelling of his name, rendering all the wikipedia articles about him incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.177.76 (talk) 11:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's 101% certain that's his official account? Even so, for a Belgian citizen to change the spelling of their name is a bit unusual. The name is Moussa. Even if he does change it as a sort of nickname thing, the lead should still read Moussa Sidi Yaya Dembélé, known as "Mousa"... per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies WP:OPENPARA. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:50, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if it can be used as further evidence to keep this article named as it is, but based on the official Tottenham Hotspur website's profile page for the player[1], his name is definitely 'Mousa'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Splink (talk • contribs) 23:36, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Height

Well, after I messed that up, I simply removed the citation as it was a dead link, still need to find one that has the info. Govvy (talk) 15:14, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: No move. While the participation was limited, I must also add that the current situation facilitates WP:PRECISION, regardless if the proper spelling is with "s" or "ss" No such user (talk) 12:00, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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– On his Twitter, the Belgian footballer clearly identifies himself as "Mousa", not "Moussa".[2] Unreal7 (talk) 15:37, 2 July 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Anarchyte (work | talk) 13:22, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's where this page originally was, but it was moved here (although I suppose you saw that). The thing is that he seems to be popularly known as Mousa Dembélé for some reason, although more accurately, his first name is actually Moussa (as he confirmed in a short interview during Euro 2016). I'm assuming his Twitter name has the 'popular name' simply because most people know him as that. That said, I guess there could be an argument to name the page after his popular name, rather than the correct name. –Sygmoral (talk) 22:26, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I did see that, but it also says "Mousa" on Spurs' website.[3] Unreal7 (talk) 23:15, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know, same with the Belgian national FA site.[4] But what do we do with the fact that he specifically said in an interview that his name should actually have two s'es? It's an honest question: I don't know. Other editors may have overreacted a little after that interview. What makes matters worse is that he also says in this interview: "it's actually a complicated story, but it should be two s'es". I think perhaps the media made it a single s because that looked better in English, or something (and perhaps something like that is why he calls it "complicated"). In any case, should the official Wikipedia article follow what he said in that interview, or what media all over the world use? I personally actually agree with you because I believe Wikipedia is supposed to follow 'trustworthy sources'. You can hardly argue with the man himself, but perhaps we still have to give precedence to much more widespread media. What I would personally say is that the content of his article can still start with "Moussa Sidi Yaya Dembélé", but perhaps the article should indeed be named "Mousa Dembélé" again. –Sygmoral (talk) 02:09, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You could look at it the same way as John Paintsil - frequently misspelled "Pantstil" but still spelt with two I's. Unreal7 (talk) 13:05, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose these moves 2601:541:4305:C70:E081:8FCF:A1FE:F104 (talk) 19:03, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 16 September 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved . SST flyer 13:02, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Moussa Dembélé (Belgian footballer) → Mousa Dembélé (Belgian footballer) – I realise this has only just been discussed, but the discussion was inadequate and the evidence was ignored. WP:COMMONNAME clearly mandates the use of the Mousa Dembélé:

It is the spelling he uses himself, as evidence by his twitter account which is verified and which he uses.
It is the spelling used by his employer (Tottenham Hotspur F.C.): see the club's page on him.
It is the spelling used by the Belgian national football team for whom he plays (example).
It is the spelling used by reputable sources which talk about football: for examples see these links from the BBC, The Guardian, The Telegraph, Sky Sports, BT Sport; ESPN and even the Daily Mail.
* It is the spelling used by the governing body of football in England (example).
I did a Google search to check. - to reduce results referring to Moussa Dembélé (French footballer), I searched for "mousa dembele" tottenham and "moussa dembele" tottenham. The former returned 468k hits and the latter returned 268k hits, but in fact that underplays the difference since Moussa Dembélé (French footballer) has been linked with Tottenham, so many of the 268k referred to him; and Google's algorithm returns results for Mousa Dembele to both searches.

I'm not sure what more evidence one could want that Mousa Demebele is his name per WP:COMMONNAME. MrStoofer (talk) 11:07, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree It does seem logical to cohere to the shorter version of his first name if that's what most do on the web. Govvy (talk) 12:20, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Also, there should be no brackets as he's the only "Mousa". Unreal7 (talk) 20:30, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Some further evidence: both the Champions League and the Premier League competitions require a list of participating players to be formally submitted. Both competitions' websites use the Mousa spelling (see here and here) from which we can infer that this spelling was used on the "official" documentation, with the individual's assent. MrStoofer (talk) 14:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 4 October 2016

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. SST flyer 10:43, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mousa Dembélé (Belgian footballer) → Mousa Dembélé – I know everyone's had enough of these constant moves (I know I have), but Mousa Dembélé already redirects here. Unreal7 (talk) 20:49, 4 October 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Omni Flames (talk) 04:06, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support. Will need a hatnote to the Moussa Dembélé disambiguation page which also lists Moussa Dembélé (hurdler) (born 1988), Senegalese athlete as well as Moussa Dembélé (French footballer) (born 1996), striker who plays for Celtic. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 22:21, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose his name is Moussa Dembélé with two ss. Moussa Dembélé forfait pour la Bosnie et Gibraltar, while it's at the odd single s nickname, fine, removing (Belgian) doesn't help anyone. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:17, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom and the rfc that was closed about a month ago at the top of Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation. Ppp ery 19:27, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose If someone types in Mousa Dembélé it should direct to Moussa Dembélé which is the Disambigous page. And the way the names are setup at the moment is better to avoid confusion. Govvy (talk) 11:49, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Whatever the strict logic (Wikipedia:Ignore all rules), the current set-up allows people to find the page they want quickly with the least amount of confusion. MrStoofer (talk) 14:41, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. There's no evidence that either the hurdler or the French player are known as "Mousa" with one S. So long as this is the only person using the Mousa Dembélé spelling, there's no need for disambiguation and that title should point to this player. A hat note to the dab page will suffice for any readers who are confused.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:31, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I think Mousa and Moussa are really too close to be good candidates for WP:SMALLDETAILS. Nobody would recognize the difference between the two. I reckon a redirect to the dab page is best for Mousa Dembélé. — Amakuru (talk) 13:32, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How so? "Moussa" has a whole extra letter that apparently isn't used for either of the other subjects.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:36, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Someone who has merely heard the name aloud (this is a sportsman's name after all), or only briefly read it could easily confuse the two. Oppose for the same reason. Insert CleverPhrase Here 04:15, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You could also say that about Henrik Larsen or John Snow. Unreal7 (talk) 09:40, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The only person on Wikipedia with this name. There's no need for disambiguation. Nohomersryan (talk) 18:11, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Think of WP:Readers first. A large part of our audience is thankful to see both choices of the French and the Belgian footballers clearly laid out in article titles when searching for Mous(s)a Dembélé. — JFG ^talk 14:55, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This !vote hits the nail on the head, that WP:SMALLDETAILS spectacularly fails to do - namely reader convenience. Like it or not, the majority of our readers come through Google, and if they see two similar entries, having a disambiguator next to the name, in the title, helps them greatly with identifying which of the two they require. Small details is something that pleases people who like to arrange things neatly and logically, but it doesn' tactually help readers who are often unaware of said details. — Amakuru (talk) 18:13, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The title is unique, and already redirects here. The hatnotes can continue to be used as they are now. kennethaw88 • talk 03:47, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (I have already voted Oppose above). What is the disadvantage with the current set-up? I can't think of any. But there is a clear disadvantage with the proposed move, since someone not familiar with all the different Mous(s)a Dembélés is more likely to be confused. MrStoofer (talk) 08:47, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The disadvantage is that the non-disambiguated title is redirecting here. For your second point, a reader landing on this page is presented with the same three options as on the disambiguation page thanks to the hatnote. There wouldn't really be any change in terms of finding the correct person if the redirect points to the disambiguation page. kennethaw88 • talk 00:54, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if the move is opposed, then I think it's logical that the redirect would change to point to the dab page. Several Wikipedians, including myself, have recommended that as part of an oppose !vote above. — Amakuru (talk) 18:16, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Stats table

I added a new row, but I haven't checked previous seasons between FA Cup and League Cup apps, as there is only one column for Cup and one for Other with no stats data. Govvy (talk) 11:48, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]