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Poles in Chicago

how can there be 1.8 million Poles in Chicago when there's less than 1 million in Illinois? DHN 08:52, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Chicago's population is less than 3 million, and less than half of it is white, so how could 1.8 million Poles fit in there? DHN 08:54, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I guess because a lot of them live illegal, so they are not counted in official statistics.--Emax 13:12, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I doubt that's the case. Poles are not normally illegal immigrants, since most have already immigrated here hundreds of years ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DHN (talk • contribs) 04:13, 2 November 2004 (UTC)
OK. I checked with Polish encyclopeadia: [1] and corrected the article appropriately. Apperently the number is twice as as big as it should be (not to mention that Warsaw itself has 1.6 millions of people, which is smaller than 1.8 millions of Poles claimed to be in Chicago). 700,000 looks much more propable, giving that I also suspect that Poles in Chicago includes all people of Polish descent, not citizens of Poland, neither the Chicagians who speaks Polish. Also be aware, that many people may have ancestors from different countries, thus sum of all Poles, Serbs, Irish and other Chigacians may well exceed the 3 millions population of Chicago. Przepla 20:40, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Chicago is said to be biggest Polish community all over the world (including Poland), but I haven't find any trustworthy source proving that claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.210.199 (talk) 18:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

There are over 1.8 million poles living in the "CHICAGO AREA"....this includes all of the suburbs. Many Poles live in Schaumburg, Des Plaines, and Park Ridge. Polish is the second most spoken foreign language in the area. Also keep in mind....most of them are first generation or from Poland itself...so when you write down than Poles are the third highest ethnic group in Chicago behind the Germans and Irish, this would be irrelevant since the Italians and the Irish are both part of the melting pot of society by now. Thus, Polish should be first. You don't exactly go around the malls and hear Gaelic or German....instead it is either Polish or Spanish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.172.184.74 (talk) 18:34, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Chicago is arguably the largest Polish community outside of Poland, although Pittsburgh, New York City, Buffalo NY and Detroit MI are runners-up in the total numbers of Polish persons, whether are recently arrived immigrants and/or multi-generational Americans of Polish descent. The Polish language survived by the fact the language wasn't targeted in WWI, WWII and the early cold war era as an "enemy language" unlike the Russian, German, Italian and Japanese languages was discouraged and stigmatized by wartime "patriotic" propaganda. These ethnic communities were heavily spied on by the FBI, language instruction was banned and many radio stations or newspapers was closed. The Polish language in America was fortunate not excessively curtailed and some 3rd or 4th generation Polish Americans in Chicago are fluent in it in cases when Polish immigrants moved in their neighborhoods.
There's a noticable cultural difference between Americanized Poles who don't speak the language when English was the main tongue for these descendants of late 19th-early 20th century immigrants, and Polish immigrants who are adapting to American culture over time. Polish-American identity had enjoyed a slow but noticable revival in the 1960s and early 70s, esp. when the TV show "All in the Family" introduced a notorious fictional bigot character Archie Bunker, whom called his son-in-law Michael whose of Polish descent a few ethnic slurs deemed offensive to Polish-Americans and he said comments about Polish people but of comical value to demonstrate the negative attitudes some ignorant Americans had of Polish people. But to be Polish today is much alike to be Irish, Italian, Greek, German or other white "ethnic" descent, or nowadays in a multiracial/multicultural America, the Polish American culture hasn't formally died out. +71.102.53.48 (talk) 18:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Which Portland?

Under 'Polish communities as part of Urban America', the list of cities include Portland. Is this Portland Oregon? or Maine? (or one of the smaller Portland around the country?) Darlene 13:46, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

to dash or not to dash

Why is the article titled "Polish American" but the first words are "Polish-American"?Lefty 04:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

First Poles in America

The first bunch of settlers from 1620, anyone is willing to write something about them? Szopen 11:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Rename

First, plurarl - Polish Americans - sounds better then singular. Second, what about Polish minority in United States/Polonia in United States?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  18:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Polish American Pantheon

I'd like to complete the infobox with photos of some recognizable Polish-Americans. An example of this can be seen in the Poles infobox. I think six such persons should be adequate but I'd like your input on who those people should be. Ideally I think we should have people from the world of business, movies, music, politics, and sports.
I have come up with a short list of such people:

What do you think? JRWalko 01:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree with adding new pictures to Polish Americans pantheon. I would also add Max Factor, Jennifer Connelly, Gwyneth Paltrow, Scarlett Johansson, Harver Keitel, Lisa Kudrow, Natalie Portman, Daniel Liebeskind, Frank Gehry, Max Weber, Stanley Kubrick, Wachowski brothers, Axl Rose, Liberace, Tim Pawlenty, henryk Arctowski. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.174.152 (talk) 18:24, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Buffalo?

Norum (talk · contribs) added Buffalo as "one of the most notable Polish-American communities". I understand that Chicago is notable by the mere fact that it has the largest ethnically Polish population outside Poland (1 million, according to our article). But in what way is is the Polish community in Buffalo, NY notable? How many Poles live there? (Total pop 300,000, roughly half of them white, including "very sizable populations of Italian, Polish, Irish, German [...] descent"). Our article says that

the city's East Side was once home of Buffalo's Polonia ... [but] is now home to African Americans

Is Buffalo home to any well-known Polish-American people or institutions? --Austrian 14:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

300,000 out of a million, thats quite a big percentage. Plus every third person in the region has Polish last name.
Austrian, to answer your question. Famous Polish-Americans from Buffalo: Johnny Rzeznik, Christine Baranski, Lt. Col. Matt Louis Urban, Louis Dlugosz, Joseph Bakos, Joseph Slawinski, Marion M. Rzeznik, Joseph E. Fronczak to name just a few. Need I say more?
Polish Institutions in Buffalo and area? - St. Stanislau's Church, Corpus Christi Church on the East Side, Holy Mother of the Rosary Polish National Cathedral, Adam Mickiewicz Library & Dramatic Circle, Polish Academic Information Center, The Polish Community Center, Malczewski Poultry, Burzynski Imports, Paul Redlinski & Sons, Ruda's Polkas & Polish Gifts,
Also, check this link to the Polish-American Heritage in Buffalo & Erie County: http://www.wnylrc.org/dhp/ethnic/hspolish.htm
Norum 15:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
The University at Buffalo also has the Polish Room. The collection inclueds over 12,000 volumes and "21 manuscripts of the Polish kings from the 16th to 18th centuries, and letters and other signed documents of important people of the 20th century, including writers such as: Stefan Zeromski, Maria Konopnicka, and Maria Dabrowska" http://ublib.buffalo.edu/libraries/asl/guides/polish-room/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.207.88.70 (talk) 13:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone know if the Polish artist from Buffalo Marion Rzeznik is related to, possibly a grandfather of, The Goo Goo Dolls singer Johnny Rzeznik from Buffalo? ---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by JCPClevo (talk • contribs) 17:35, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

This article lists a larger Polish American population than Chicago's, both just under a million (I'd assume they're referencing metro area and not city alone for these totals, as the total population of Buffalo isn't a million), so why is Buffalo lumped under *other* like some stepchild? It's also the only city in the US that celebrates Dyngus Day with a parade and all the accompanying traditions. As a kid, my son used to march with the Scouts in the Pulaski Day parade, which took place in our old neighborhood of Kaisertown, on the outer East Side, bordering 2 suburbs. The famous Broadway Market is an Easter tradition and really the only place left where you can buy authentic Polish food (ie, not crap like Mrs T's *pierogis* or Hillshire Farms *kielbasa*, which are as far from being a pierogi or traditional Polish sausage as it can get). In addition to the Polish style cathedrals/churches listed above, there's also St Adalbert's Basilica on the East Side; I was christened at it and my parents were married there and went to its school. St Casimir's in Kaisertown and St John Kanty's off Broadway are more beautiful architectural examples. Neighborhood House in Kaisertown used to be a Polish center and house a library. Unfortunately the East Side no longer has any Polish Americans left in it. They're scattered in the 'burbs now but the Town of Cheektowaga is Polonia Central. The Broadway Market faces continual financial woes because the tradition of shopping there regularly rather than just at holidays has faded dramatically due to what a dangerous neighborhood (usual urban drugs and guns thing; if there's a shooting it's almost always on the East Side) the old Broadway-Fillmore business district has become. Even the Fronczak Library there was closed (budget cuts based on circulation figures). There is no more *Little Poland* where it used to be, on every main drag on the East Side. All the old neighborhood shops have packed up and left due to lack of business because the Polish American population relocated outside the city. Redlinski's moved its main facility to Cheektowaga. The Burczynski's Bakery that used to be around the corner from our old house is now a pretty lousy pizza joint. Most city parochial schools have closed due to lack of enrollment. A lot of the city's churches and their facilities are either abandoned or sold off. I remember St Stan's selling their school and parish hall and I don't even know if the church is still open at this point. The Catholic Diocese is in rough shape and can't afford to dismantle these fantastic old churches and revitalize them with new parishioners in a new neighborhood. The Broadway Market ought to pack it in and relocate as well so that we don't lose that. There are 2 locations of Polish Villa that serve great, real Polish food, both in Cheektowaga. The traditions continue, just mostly in the Buffalo metro area and not the city proper (a few events now and then downtown). Sounds the same as Chicago where the community has left the city for mainly the suburb of Wyandotte and coalesced there. Of course everything I've written would be considered *original research* here, but Buffalo ought to be sourced and have its own section considering what a large concentration of Polish Americans settled in the area in the late 1800s and whose descendents are still around, just like in Chicago. ScarletRibbons (talk) 09:16, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Tadeusz Kościuszko and Kazimierz Pułaski

I do not think these two should be in the category "Polish Americans". They only fought in the US, but later on they went back. Therefore, I think they should be removed from this catgory.

Norum 04:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Kosciuszko was a US citizen and Pulaski is currently under consideration for the Honorary Citizen of the United States title. Pulaski did not go back, he died during the American Revolutionary War.JRWalko 15:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
However, Kościuszko went back, therefore he can not be considered as Polish-American. Poles in Poland certainly don't consider him to be Polish-American, just Polish. Plus I have not seen it mentioned anywhere that he held American citizenship. Polish Wikipedian certainly doesn't say anything about it.
As for Pułaski....even if he gets his "honorary" citizenship, he also can not be considered as Polish American due to the fact he never held a real American citizenship during his life time.
Norum 00:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't know what the source is but the English wiki says Kosciuszko was a US citizen. I would think this would be correct seeing as he was a general in the Continetal Army. Pulaski died before formal naturalizations took place.
To me there's no real difference between Polish and Polish-American for those two because of the times they lived in. There was no US at the time and most of the people who fought on the American side were considered American. It wasn't a nationality per se. It was more of a common cause. What exactly makes someone an American?
Same thing can be noted about Marquis de La Fayette who was French, but fought in the war, so is in America considered a French-American. [[von Steuben[]] also German-Prussian considered German-American. A footnote may be necessary but given their deeds and popularity in the US I think this label is appropriate. JRWalko 01:46, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Backward thinking in America..... Norum 03:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Polish Tatars

I've initially removed references to Polish Tatars because every text I've seen on the subject identifies them as a separate ethnic group. The article on Polish Americans should be about the ethnic group of Poles who became American and not about Polish Tatars who became American. Perhaps a Tatar Americans article should be created to accommodate this difference. An inclusion into this article would have more to do with the geographic situation in the PLC rather than group differences. JRWalko 02:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Tatars are indeed a separate ethnographic group, like the Gorals (of Wallachian origin) or the Kashubes who speak a totally different language. They are Poles because that is how they identify themselves by 'national orientation' in that they see themselves as a 'type' (in this case old family Muslim). I elaborate my argument further on JRWalko's talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orestek (talk • contribs) 08:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
How can their national orientation be Polish when they check off Tatars in the Polish national census? Similarly Gorals and Kashubians also declare themselves separate from Polish in the national census. Sorbs who immigrated into the US are not German Americans are they? The point is that in order for Wikipedia articles to be relevant we have to stick to established rules of classifying ethnic groups and not who feels like being in them. Additionally how many people of Tatar origin are actually included in the US census in the Polish descent category? The fact that Lipka Tatars live in many countries and identify themselves as that across national boundaries suggests they are a broader ethnic group that shouldn't be included in another. JRWalko 16:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Since John Paul II was a Goral, does this mean that he was not Polish? Gorals are also found in Slovakia, who although they speak a dialect of Polish declare tehmselves as ardent Slovaks. Additionally what does it mean when the article refers to the Polish Lipka Tartars as being 'Polonized'. Are Milosz and Mickiewicz not Polish authors since they both considered themselves Lithuanians? Was presidential candidate Donald Tusk not a Pole even though he ran for the Polish Presidency because he is also a Cassubian? What does the Kaszub quote of activist Antoni Abraham mean when he said, Nie ma Kaszub bez Polski, a Polski bez Kaszub. He was a Kaszub and a Polish Patriot. Being a Tatar, Goral, Kaszub does not mean one can't also be Polish
As to how many people of Tatar origin count themselves as 'Poles' Norman Davies writes on p. 210 in his book "Europe East And West" "When I went to New York for the first time in the 1970's and visited the Pilsudski Institute, I was amazed to meet the secretary of the institute, pani Zarema, who WAS ENTIRELY POLISH (capitals mine) but introduced herself as a Muslim. Her father had been a colonel in 1939 of the Tartar Cavalry. These Tartars had been ENTIRELY POLONIZED IN SECULAR CULTURE, but were still practicing Muslims. A handful of settlements and mosques still survive in the region". If someone feels dedicated to the Polish cause to the extent that they VOLUNTEER at the Polish cultural center of NYC, isn't it fair to assume that they declare themselves as Poles in the census?----Orestek 03:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
As for Sorbs, they ARE NOT German in National Orientation, which highlights my point, since Tatars in Poland are Polish in National Orientation. The ID for the Polish census for these communities is not about national identification, but the money from the MSW for social projects, just like the race category in the US.--Orestek 03:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Some history

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12204c.htm Kowalmistrz 19:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Include Clifton Heights

Clifton Heights PA should be included in communities. It has a Polish American Club as soon as you enter the town. Also a Polish speaking Church called Sacred Heart in the town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ptb1060 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion discussion

See Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Polish_Americans_(2nd_nomination). Badagnani 02:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Religion

Why are so many churches in Cleveland listed in this section and not in Cleveland? This doesn't seem to make sense. It's a more general topic - perhaps there should be something about changes in services as language use changed, for instance.--Parkwells (talk) 03:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

There needs to be some discussion of Orchard Lake, including the Polish Seminary (originally founded in Detroit), the former St. Mary's College, and what has evolved into the current Polish Mission. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Profkaren (talk • contribs) 21:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary to list each and every church founded by Poles in North America. I deleted them unless somebody can think of a legitimate reason for them to be there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.24.142.128 (talk) 05:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Polish Independence

Section on ocupations stated: "After Poland became separated from Russia in 1920 (...)". I have changed it to "After Poland regained independence in 1918 (...)". This is more accurate, since the area of Poland was created from areas belonging to Russia, Germany and Austria before the 1st World War. The date was simply wrong (ref. History of Poland (1918-1939)). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Llewelyn MT (talk • contribs) 18:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Well u r not correct, Poland wasnt "created from lands belonging to Russia, Prussia and Austria" this is nonsense! Poland regained its independence and Polish territory after IWW was just a tiny part of what that 3 occupyin agressors share between themselves when they divided Poland between 1772-1795. That territories didnt belong to them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.174.152 (talk) 18:32, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Important category change

This discussion apparently took place without seeking input from regular editors at this article, and was decided for deleting the "Polish Americans" category, though the comments were 6 to 4 against such a deletion. Badagnani (talk) 19:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Dan Marino

Dan Marino a polish-american ?? Source ?? --85.182.75.104 (talk) 11:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it's from matrilineal descent??? Maybe?? Not much to go on. Horvat Den (talk) 18:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Where's the source? 12.41.255.10 (talk) 14:47, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Some prominent American politician needs to be added!

All the other pages about different groups of Americans includes a prominent politician picture in the opening. I suggest Edwin Muskie be added, prominent liberal Maine Senator who ran as the VP candidate in the 1968 election under Hubert Humphrey for the democrats. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PonileExpress (talk • contribs) 00:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

InfoBox

Hello, How can I edit the InfoBox here??
I click there the button "edit this page", but there was no the infoBox code...
so how i can edit there the infobox,please?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.19.169.250 (talk) 05:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Category:Americans of Polish descent

This category is the main category for all Polish American individuals. Yet I think it may be confusing, as it also includes first generation immigrants (ex. Kazimierz Pułaski) who likely thought of themselves more as Poles then Americans. Should we rename this category, or create a separate subcategory for first generation immigrants? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:18, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I have also noticed intrinsic problems with this category while editing the article recently. For example, internal links to people who didn’t speak a word of Polish, provide disproportionate prominence by default, only because their ancestors came to America from somewhere there. Meanwhile, these two groups of people were facing entirely different sets of challenges in their lives. --Poeticbent talk 18:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Indeed. I think that the difference between first generation immigrants and latter is important enough to deserve separate categories. Any suggestions on how they should be named? I think that the current category is good for the non-first generation immigrants. Perhaps we should have the Category:First generation Polish immigrants to United States? But it is a bit on the long side... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
How about a bit shorter Category:First generation Polish Americans. They are immigrants of course. So, the main category would be Category:Polish Americans (in line with other ethnic category titles) featuring two subcategories: Category:Americans of Polish descent and Category:First generation Polish Americans. Please note the current title of our main category does not comply with the usual alphabetical order of 174 subcategories of Category:American people by ethnic or national origin (see "P" for Polish Americans to see what I mean) and so, it needs to be renamed anyway. --Poeticbent talk 15:52, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I think this is a very good solution. Will you create the appropriate categories? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Why don't you do it. You are the originator of this evident improvement idea after all. Go for it Piotr. --Poeticbent talk 03:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Interested people: please note that there is a List of Polish Americans which covers both groups, as does the Polish American article. And we have one editor who is jumping from list to list and article to article of fooian Americans, trying to re-purpose the lists/articles by removing all the non-1st generation people (or alternatively all the 1st generation people). Hmains (talk) 04:42, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Regions with significant populations

Why is the part Regions with significant populations not precise, in terms of individual U.S. states as for example Florida, California and other U.S. states where a very high proportion of Polish-Americans live? Regions with significant populations is not precise, look please for example at [[2]], there are for example many US-States where Lebanese Americans live, so why it can not be by polish Americans, because in USA are more polish americans as Lebanese americans, for example, so they should be foritori , precise US-States and not only Regions with significant populations

--84.19.169.168 (talk) 21:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Interesting that he would do that , we need to monitor this article for these kinds of edits every once in a while. 12.41.255.10 (talk) 14:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

polish discrimination

Is there a section here devoted to the trials and tribulations of the polish americans early in the united states? I wasn't able to find it. Could we include a section devoted to this topic? 12.41.255.10 (talk) 14:43, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposal to ban user-created montages from Infoboxes

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups#Infobox_Images_for_Ethnic_Groups. Bulldog123 09:46, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

sub-group ?

What does it mean ? : "Most of these settlers came from the Polish lands that had been taken by Prussia during the Partitions, with a sub-group coming from Silesia. - Why sub-group ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.168.153.182 (talk) 05:12, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Numbers and estimates

First of all, the section with long unreferenced musing and some misleading statements does not belong to the intro, which must be a summary, rather than investigation.

Second, all numbers must be referenced. I can find a ref for 3.2% (not in this article, though), but the number 10M is too round to be correct. Sources please and no revert wars please. Staszek Lem (talk) 02:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Rob Gronkowski

Can we add Rob Gronkowski to the picture gallery of Polish Americans at the top of the page... I think that he is much more representative of Polish Americans, and is more well known than say someone like Maggie Q. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.150.222.225 (talk) 22:22, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Ford - Sodowski link

I deleted reference to President Ford being a descendent of Sodowski. Firstly, this information is based on a genealogy notice board, which cannot be accepted as a reliable source and secondly it is based on the assumption that "Sandusky" comes from "Sodowski". Neither the article on President Ford no the List of Polish Americans bear this out. Finally, on the link between Sandusky and Sodowski, read the following in the Etimology section at Sandusky: "The accepted etymology is that the name Sandusky is derived from the Wyandot word saandusti, 'water in water-pools'[7] or andusti, 'cold water'. A disproved theory was that the city (Sandusky) was named after a Polish fur trader by the name of Anthony Sadowski or Jacob Sodowsky." Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 09:46, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Red clover

I have an image of red clover from the Oregon Historical County Records which is being called into question. I have found another image of red clover from a separate source.

http://extension.oregonstate.edu/news/release/2011/06/clover-seed-brings-income-oregon-farmers-nitrogen-soil

The webpage also lists the nitrogenous properties of clover discussed in the article.Pola.mola (talk) 02:52, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

OK. I figured it out. It is not Red clover (as the caption said). But it was not tulip either. By bad eyesight, sorry. It is Crimson clover. Staszek Lem (talk) 02:20, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Sure, thanks for updating the pic and captions. No worries.Pola.mola (talk) 17:55, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

William McKinley

In reference to a deletion on this page, [3]

I would like to point out that it was never stated that Czolgosz had ties to the Polish American community. There were significant outrages, demonstrations, and protests of Polish Americans denouncing his attack - which is mentioned. Furthermore, the resulting anti-Polish and anti-immigrant attitudes that resulted from the attack are historically significant.Pola.mola (talk) 03:00, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Category:American players of American football of Polish descent

Liz Read! Talk! 03:02, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Category:American sportspeople of Polish descent

Liz Read! Talk! 03:02, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

I feel that this article would benefit from having Poland linked in the main section, or even in the history section, considering the Kingdom of Poland was founded in the eleventh century.

72.182.76.155 (talk) 02:07, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Poles "better suited" than Italians?

This statement, "American employers considered Polish immigrants better suited than Italians, for arduous manual labor in coal-mines, slaughterhouses and steel mills, particularly in the primary stages of steel manufacture" has no reference and as such cannot be verified. Frankly, the assertion appears racially motivated and unfounded. Either get a citation or DELETE this from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.135.0.6 (talk) 20:59, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Ed Koch

Can someone please add Ed Koch, New York's 105th Mayor, to the images and names of famous Polish-Americans? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.49.137.68 (talk) 04:16, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

No. his parents were Jews who came from Uscieczko, Ukraine at a time Poland did not exist. Koch was not notable for any Polish connections. Rjensen (talk) 10:52, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
He WAS of Polish parentage, frequently referring to himself as a "Polish Jew." He is at least as notable as ANY of the unknowns who are currently listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.49.137.68 (talk) 21:20, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Jewish Immigrants from Poland

As it says in the article with a reliable source,

"Jewish immigrants from Poland, largely without exception, identified as "Jewish" or "Russian Jewish" when inside the United States, and faced a historical trajectory far different from that of the ethnic Poles." (which has a citation from a reliable source).

Thus, to add someone Jewish to "Polish-Americans," you'll need a reliable source that they considered themselves to be Polish Americans and not Jewish or Russian-Jewish. DemocraticLuntz (talk) 20:07, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

I am afraid you are confusing several issues. "Jewish" was registered as religion, not as nationality, and immigration didn't care about ethnicity. The nationality was Polish even if they came from Congress Poland, which was under Russia. In any case, my point is moot: I am sorry I was not looking into your edit carefully: both of them indeed did not emigrate from Poland directly, i.e., officially they were not "Polish" Americans. Neither they recognize themselves as such. By the way, Polish Jews emigrated into many places: Brazil, Uruguay, etc. and everywhere they created confusion for statistics :-) Staszek Lem (talk) 21:06, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

typo in intro

century is grossly misspelled — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.152.221 (talk) 20:18, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

 Fixed Thank you for noticing that. Funandtrvl (talk) 20:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Why info on "Polish alone" from 2000 census

I have not seen information on "... alone" from 2000 census in articles about other Americans, for example German-Americans. If anything, we can post info concerning the number of Americans who reported Polish as their First Ancestry in 2000 census - that was 6,296,378 (while 2,680,795 reported Polish as their Second Ancestry). But why using figures from 2000 census when we already have figures from 2010 census. Also, in 1970 census there was no question about ancestry, so I'm not sure where does the info about the number of Polish-Americans in 1970 come from? The first census with question about ancestry was that of 1980. Peter558 (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

14,596,630, U.S. Estimate, 2013 - what is the exact source of this number?

IMO it is exaggerated, the source linked in reference does not state such a number anywhere. At least I couldn't find it. Peter558 (talk) 20:38, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

It was an unnoticed vandalism. Fixed. Thanks for bringing an attention to this. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

who vs whom

Re [4]

"Polish Americans are Americans who are of total or partial Polish descent."

vs.

"Polish Americans are Americans whom are of total or partial Polish descent."

is like the difference between

"Is he of Polish descent?"

or

"Is him of Polish descent?"

The subject of the sentence is "Polish Americans". The object is "Polish descent". You use "who" when referring to the subject. You use "whom" when referring to the object. So, please, it's "who". See Object (grammar).Volunteer Marek (talk) 03:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Contributions - Jefferson, the Constitution and the Warsaw Confederation

The article claims in the section on contributions: "Jefferson drafting the Constitution of the United States was inspired by religious tolerance of the Warsaw Confederation".

The citation given indeed provides a source that makes this claim (Lapointe, 2009). However, it seems incorrect. Jefferson was in France during the time that the US Constitution was drafted and played no direct role in either the drafting of the Constitution or the Constitutional Convention. My best guess is that this was a mistake by Lapointe and should refer wither to the Virginia Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haley betrayal (talk • contribs) 23:05, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


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