Talk:Rothschild family

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Antisemitism? Everywhere?[edit]

The writer is more like talking about his personal opinion in the conspiracy theories section. Better say: The family was accused of something by etc, while others consider these accusations to have arisen from anti-Semitic prejudice. Giving many cites won't make this flawless, since most of conspiracy theories regarding the Rothschild Family in the 21st century have nothing to do with anti-Semitism but rather Capitalism and the banking system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:00, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Your claim that "most of [21st century] conspiracy theories" re. the Rothschilds "have nothing to do with anti-Semitism" is false: it is false to pretend that motives for such theories are strictly related to "Capitalism," because, as should be obvious, a theory can be both anti-Semitic and Capitalist at the same time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7454:6700:3CEA:511E:D2BE:F8B (talk) 19:25, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

A small edit about the "conspiracy theories"[edit]

This family as mentioned on the page itself is a very large banking family. Rich people are a target for conspiracy theories I highly doubt people are on them just because they're Jewish. I understand you guys just want to keep this page unbiased but renouncing all criticism as antisemitic is a biased thing to do.

Jeffery McJeff Jefferson (talk) 13:50, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

A popular-minded 21st century (albeit uninformed historically) intuition might naturally see it as "doubt[ful]" that "people are on them just because they're Jewish," but when you look at the dubious, apocryphal sources of much of the myths surrounding this family, the disproportionate attention they have received over the ages (in comparison to countless unnamed and countlessly wealthy Christian aristocrats, whose invisible hands have arguably manipulated world affairs far more than the Rothschilds), and most importantly, when you consider the historical context in which the Rothschilds have been brought up, time and again, as "evidence" of Jewish world domination, the disproportionate treatment constitutes, itself, clear bias--and bias against Jews has a name: it is called anti-Semitism. It may not cover every single article on them, but it certainly can explain why "people are on them" in general, just as the bias of the UN explains why the tiny country of Israel has somehow warranted more official resolutions of condemnation than all the other countries of the world put together since the founding of the UN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7454:6700:3CEA:511E:D2BE:F8B (talk) 19:39, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

So criticism of Iisrael is also only because of anti-Semitism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:69D8:5500:4D8A:D5BE:8FEA:2050 (talk) 08:09, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Please try to stay on topic. This page is for discussing improvements to the article. It is not a forum for general kvetching about wider issues. If you are in any doubt, some but not all criticism of Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism. That which is expressed in terms of wild, vague, paranoid conspiracies that try to weave in all sorts of non-Israeli Jews are pretty much always motivated by anti-Semitism. Criticism that relates to Israel's actual policies and specific actions is less likely to be so. So, if somebody is complaining about Israel and the Rothschilds at the same time then that is very suspect indeed.
Similarly, not everybody who has ever had a specific beef with any of the Rothschilds was motivated by anti-Semitism but the people who have it in for the whole lot of them, and who never stop banging on about them being Jewish, well, you know perfectly well what that is. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

They have nothing to do with Roman Empire Is false.[edit]

Roman Empire ... no way ... they have nothing to do with that history Trajanhk (talk) 05:37, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

I think perhaps you have confused the Holy Roman Empire, mentioned in the article, with the Roman Empire, which is not. DuncanHill (talk) 08:23, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Two deaths[edit]

One rothschil died in New York of drug overdose around 2002? Another committed suicide in Paris in the 1990's. Anybody has their names? Anyway, i think they should be listed at the end of this article (list section)

Cheers! (talk) 00:09, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

That two members of an extended family have died is hardly notable. DuncanHill (talk) 00:20, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Incompleteness in the Etymology[edit]

The etymology of Rothschild often makes a blanket assertion that it is German for Red Shield using the antiquated "th" of Roth. It's in fact Yiddish. Rothschild I suspect is properly pronounced "rotes-kilt" in Yiddish, but this has been very difficult to ascertain. In Yiddish, Rothschild renders as Red Herald, that is, Red Coat of Arms, in reference to the many armorial coats of arms of noble houses throughout Europe.

Of minor etymological interest, is the oft used phrase during the American Revolution, "The Red Coats are Coming, The Red Coats are Coming." Very intriguing coincidence considering the vast number of accusations hurled on the family about their war profiteering activities. Can more professional etymologists track down the first usage of the phrase "Red Coats are coming"? Possible oblique references to the banking dynasty should not be immediately dismissed.

The five arrows on the family herald are said to traditionally symbolize the five sons of Mayer Amschel Bauer (code name Rothschild). They appear opposed to the eagle, a long time symbol of continental European royalty, and the animal underneath, ostensibly a lion, a different set of royalty (possibly Africa?).

Very intriguing article, lots of room for scholarship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakewayd (talkcontribs) 07:48, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Make this picture spam under control[edit]

Use pictures only to directly illustrate the particular relevant text in specific paragraphs. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 11:18, 22 November 2018 (UTC)