Talk:Citrus unshiu

Orange juice comparison picture??

I would just like to question that orange juice pictured (in the image comparing satsuma juice with orange juice) really doesn't look like orange juice at all, at least not any orange juice I have ever seen (in Australia). It is strangely white! Can anyone verify this picture? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.30.84 (talk) 02:58, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Contradicting Terms

The characters for the Japanese and Chinese names are the same- the Japanese use the Chinese name. Therefore the two languages cannot have differing "literal" translations as the article quite ignorantly insists. Specifically, the Japanese "literal" translation of the name is incorrect, and looks very strange when you see the Japanese and Chinese names are exactly the same. BOTH the Japanese and Chinese names mean Wenzhou honey citrus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 133.19.126.5 (talk) 04:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I noticed the suggestion for merge with the Satsuma_(fruit) page but that doesn't seem to be valid (unless the merge were to happen with some general page about Japanese citrus varieties). The suggested merge page and the fruit commonly referred to as "mikan" are not the same species.

Of course, I don't have much to add to either page anyway, but I was glad to be able to google for mikan and get this page. I might not have visited a page titled "Satsuma (fruit)" when googling mikan. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.109.205.21 (talk • contribs) 12:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC).

As far as I know, there is no such thing as a "satsuma" fruit in Japanese. In fact most Japanese people would think of "satsuma imo", a kind of root vegetable, if they thought of "satsuma" as a food. The fruit is called mikan. My best guess is that satsuma or satsuma orange is simply the English name given to the Japanese fruit. I would like to hear from someone who knows the true answer to this, but essentially the merge seems to be correct choice. --DannyWilde 07:03, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Satsuma is the historic name of a region in Kagoshima, which is where Mikan is said to originate. Plus, the Japanese Wikipedia article for mikan says "Satsuma Mandarin" is an English name for Mikan (the article also says "Mandarin Orange" is an English name for mikan, which I don't think are the same thing). I am yet another non-citrus-expert...--Tokek 07:35, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Why is amanatsu mentioned?

What is this sentence doing in the article? "See for example amanatsu." Badagnani 04:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

clementines

does anyone know what the difference is between a mikan ("satsuma") and a clementine? -Justforasecond 17:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Seems it may vary from place to place according to usage of names. In UK usage, the name "satsuma" is used for a fruit that differs from what is called a "clementine" in being yellower (less reddish-orange), thinner-skinned, a little easier to peel, and with a blander, less acidic flavour (rather tasteless and boring in my opinion, but many people prefer them). - MPF 11:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Satsuma and clementine are both (very popular) varieties of mandarin. Without being an expert in either Japanese or citrus, I am getting the impression that mikan is equivalent to mandarin (orange), but that many people tend to take the specific variety they are familiar with as representative of all of Citrus reticulata. Please read the article on Mandarin orange and especially the external links, which are very helpful on these questions. See also [1], which gives citrus names in many languages. -- Justinbb 04:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Clementines are apparently a hybrid of two mandarin orange-pomelo hybrids. They could be regarded as a Citrus ushiu hybrid, but not as a pure Citrus ushiu variety. Not everything labelled "clementine" in a shop may fit this description. Lots of the things called mikans or satsumas are hybrids, too, but some aren't. And no-one really knows the genetic history of a lot of them. Does that help :)?

Justinbb is right that mikan is sort of equivalent to mandarin; Tanaka split Swingle's mandarins (C. reticulata) into species including tangerines (Citrus tangerina) and unshu mikans (Citrus ushiu), but he catagorized some things commonly called mikans into both groups. Some things called mikans are also hybrids of trees from these groups with things that are definately not mikans; see Citrus taxonomy and Citrus hybrids; also see text below. HLHJ (talk) 14:01, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I got a question?

This question is about satsumas. We are growning them and i wanted to know why the satsuma turns brown before it finishes growing and what kind of bugs go around them?(66.112.89.132 18:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC))

Chinese/Korean name

What are these called in Chinese and Korean? Badagnani 01:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Species

Why do some websites say the mikan is C. reticulata rather than C. unshiu? Badagnani 01:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Try reading this: Horticultural Varieties of Citrus, by Robert Willard Hodgson. It describes the different sorts of mandarins in some detail, and makes the distinction between reticulata and unshiu (and others too). -- Justinbb 05:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

However, according to The Plant List, the correct name should be Citrus reticulata. MKwek (talk) 10:05, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Chōzaburō Tanaka catagorized things commonly called mikans into lots of species: for instance, obenimikan is a tangerine (Citrus tangerina), the kimikan is Citrus flaviculpus, and the natsumikan is a hybrid of Citrus natsudaidai, etc.. The "mikan" redirect is probably therefore wrong; perhaps we should direct it to Japanese citrus. Walter Tennyson Swingle called the lot, and some things that aren't called mikans, C. reticulata. When we get all the genetic data we'll know exactly where each of them was wrong. HLHJ (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia needs to settle on a single source for plant names - and relegate any discussion of the validity of names to a sub-section of the article. The Plant List is far and away the most widely accepted and reliable source of current knowledge, so I think it should be used as a standard. This tree is Citrus reticulata, which has numerous horticultural cultivars (varieties in gardener speak) and the various articles should be combined into a single piece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.205.33.130 (talk) 10:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes, these articles should be combined, but not because The Plant List is reliable. The Plant List is an effort to collate taxonomic opinion, but it has many problems, some of which appear to be due to programming errors, where it has picked up information from a source such as tropicos.org, and then misinterpreted it. This has been discussed several times at WT:PLANTS, but fortunately those errors do not apply to this species name. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:42, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

References

Canning

How are the skins removed from the segments prior to commercial canning? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.178.106.200 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

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Most commonly used name

In the UK, these are universally known as satsumas. Are they known as mikans in the US? If not, the article name should be changed. Rojomoke (talk) 14:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know (I'm from the UK too), but whatever the case, it's unhelpful to have the first mention of the word "satsuma" being "One of the distinguishing features of the satsuma..." in the second para. It needs to be in the lead, so I'm adding it there. Loganberry (Talk) 02:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I am from the U.S. and am confused also. I don't know if a 'mikan' is the same as a 'satsuma', or the one is a variety of the other, or if they are related cultivars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.249.146.8 (talk) 16:44, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

naming policy

Why is this not at Satsuma (fruit), which is the English name for it? --Paularblaster (talk) 01:29, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering exactly the same thing. Doesn't make much sense. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 07:36, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Moved. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 21:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Satsuma is not the English-language name for the fruit; for example, this term is unknown in Australia and New Zealand and is in fact a well known shibboleth for determining a person or television program of British origin. Can anyone find a mention of the term in non-scripted American speech? 80.4.202.8 (talk) 01:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I've never heard of satsuma being a British term; they're widely grown (and known as satsumas) in Florida, especially in the north, as they are a bit hardier to frost than other tangerines and mandarins. Unfortunately, I don't have a handy reference, although a quick search of "satsuma fruit" on gainesville.com turns up some good candidates for citation.75.178.93.195 (talk) 03:13, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Are they called by the Japanese name elsewhere? Or is "mandarin" more prevalent? I'll admit I'd never heard "satsuma" before a few years ago, but I didn't pay much attention, perhaps; to me, they were just "those loose skinned tangerines". I never heard "mikan" until I saw this article. (Note: I've eaten about two bushels of them in the last month, so I've a vested interest.) As far as non-scripted American speech, I guess all the boxes of them I've seen in the store that say "satsuma" kinda should count. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 07:45, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Satsuma is an American term isn't it? I don't see why it should be here when mikan is more accurate and less confusing for the rest of the world. --138.206.161.231 (talk) 09:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

As I understand it, the Japanese name is mikan or unshiu, the Chinese name is migan or Wenzhou migan, the English name as used in some parts of the UK and many parts of the US is "satsuma", but in many other places it's just called "mandarin". --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 10:11, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

This is a pretty reliable source and has the following to say 'The name “satsuma” is credited to the wife of the United States minister to Japan, General Van Valkenberg, who sent trees home in 1878 from Satsuma where it was believed to have originated (Ferguson,1996). Source: Subtropical Plant Science, 53: 16-18.2001 16 ‘Miho’ and ‘Seto’—New High Quality Satsumas For Texas Larry A. Stein and Jerry M. Parsons

Cultural differences in naming should be spelled out in the body of a decent piece about Citrus reticulata. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.205.33.130 (talk) 10:50, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I can state that this fruit is universally know as "satsuma", in Sweden. If it is called "mikan", anywhere, I haven't heard of it. I would encourage it, as I find that it is a far mroe sensible name, but...--85.229.233.51 (talk) 18:39, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Intro

The introduction reads like a prank of some kids. Erectile disfunction and sand in the eyes? Can someone change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forodin (talk • contribs) 00:44, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Seedless

'Its fruit is sweet and usually seedless'

I know this is completely original research and anecdotal, but I've just had one from lidl and it had seeds in. The packet says satsumas, so what was the chance of getting one with seeds in? Novalia (talk) 00:25, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Commonly, there are 2-3 seeds in a piece of fruit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:2080:1D69:2CB6:75BA:A823 (talk) 16:57, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

'Naartjies' are known to contain 1-2 seeds per section. Seedless citrus are are usually Clementines. If C.unshiu is truly seedless, then the reference to naartjies needs to be removed. Currently out of season in South Africa, but can supply pictures as evidence at some stage. No other references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.25.79.86 (talk) 17:20, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

The Japanese Satsuma oranges don't have seeds. I have found seeds in Satsuma grown in California, Florida and China. Unfortunately, I have never found the Japanese grown oranges in the USA.

why no nutritional information?

I would like to put nutritional info on the page. I'm not sure what the procedure is...? 82.132.245.121 (talk) 10:48, 19 July 2014 (UTC)dustcrops@gmail.com

another seedles question

In the intro section it is described as a seedless fruit, yet later on the page it says it can be grown from seed. Umm.....

Satsuma

Should the article be headed by a note saying "Satsuma" redirects here?Vorbee (talk) 20:46, 15 September 2019 (UTC)