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Picture of the Day

I find myself with less time for Wikipedia these days, and have to prioritise. Besides this, I have a problem with my eye which has already necessitated three trips to the hospital in the last fortnight. I have an obligation to the WikiCup and so that comes first. It takes a lot of time setting it all up and keeping track of submissions. I feel a duty to DYK to make sure it keeps running smoothly, particularly moving prep sets to queues. The thing I like doing most is creating articles on organisms, but have found very little time for this recently. I feel no particular duty to keep up with the daily appearance of POTD, and that will need some attention from someone else. I will create some POTDs, but not every day. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:30, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: thanks for your note, and I'm very sorry to hear about the eye problem. Wishing you all the best for a speedy recovery. And of course, you have no duty at all to the POTD project - the days of having a single named coordinator are no more, and it relies on volunteers stepping up just like any other area of the main page. Like yourself, I eventually found the job of doing it every day too time-consuming, but I'm hopeful that I can step back up and contribute with some entries even around doing DYK and hopefully having a decent run in the core contest and the WikiCup. If we can rope in a few more willing participants it should make life easier all around. CHeers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:07, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

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TFA

February songs
frozen

Thank you today for 2015 Africa Cup of Nations Final, introduced: "The Africa Cup of Nations is the continent's premier tournament for national teams, equivalent to the UEFA European Championship in Europe, and second only to the FIFA World Cup in terms of prestige for African teams. The 2015 final featured Ghana and the Ivory Coast, 4-time- and 1-time-winners respectively. The game was unfortunately not the most exciting ever, finishing 0–0 with few chances for either side. The championship was therefore settled by a penalty shoot-out, which Ivory Coast won 9–8 after Ghana's goalkeeper missed a kick against his opposite number, and he Ivorian goalkeeper then scored."! - Later today, we'll "hear" BWV 157 on the MP, pictured even ;) - Wikipedia without TRM isn't the same. - I was absent for vacation, - see songs, so had only one choir rehearsal this year, with the new promising conductor: Schubert Mass in G, Rutter A Clare Benediction ... - I now sang the Rutter with 3 conductors within a few months. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Today, I decorated my talk with a Bach cantata. I heard it last year when missing RexxS began, and "not letting go" was a theme. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:18, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

my turn: my joy - more on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:42, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: congratulations on the TFA! Very nice that we have each been featured on successive days. It has been a nice weekend all around, with a family celebration taking place on Sunday as well. Wishing you a good week ahead.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:16, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
thank you and yes, today nice walk along the Rhine, waffles outside, and a blackbird fluting to the moon - will see how the pics turn out, - just keep watching --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:18, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Valentine's Day edition, with spring flowers and plenty of music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:30, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Thanks you Gerda Arendt lovely flowers indeed!  — Amakuru (talk) 22:28, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
I wonder about the template on the RexxS talk, asked on the talk of the one who brought it back. When I "depart", no template please, no candle ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:36, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I see it as just a banner for people who aren't necessarily aware that the user hasn't been around for a long time and informing them not to expect a reply any time soon if they leave a message. That seems like a useful purpose to me. If there's consensus not to use it on RexxS's page then so be it, but either way I don't think we should say explicitly that he's "departed", as we don't know that for certain. As for you, you'll certainly be missed greatly if you "depart" for any reason, Gerda, much as RexxS and Yoninah are missed (for different reasons). I guess the community as a whole will decide what to do about that, but I will try to respect your wishes here anyway!  — Amakuru (talk) 10:46, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
yes, but - for whom is this template? ... on top of that it's ugly? I believe that the top of a talk should show the user's style, not some template. I also dislike the content. This "may have left" makes me furious every time I see it, because fact is he stopped editing a year ago, - not "may have". Him not taking part in his arbcase had much publicity at the time. The talk page history says that few users came to his talk for help, - I came knowing I would get help from watchers. If really some user should come with a question, he might be told person-to-person that RexxS no longer serves, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

stand and sing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Lovely. Looks like very moving singing, and sad to see what is going on in that part of the world now.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:12, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
you can listen, and the title song Prayer for Ukraine is even an article already --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
same with stress on Prayer for Ukraine, with a history from 1995 to 2022, - the article a work in progress, help wanted - translation of some of it would also help --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I took the pic in 2009. It was on the German MP yesterday, with this song from 1885. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
March songs

Listening to the charity concert mentioned here. I created the articles of the composer and the soprano. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: very nice!  — Amakuru (talk) 21:58, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Now, you can also listen on YouTube, and more music, the piece by Anna Korsun begins after about one hour, and the voices call "Freiheit!" (freedom, instead of "Freude", joy). Music every day, pictured in songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
St. Patrick's Day, more music and today's sunset --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
on Bach's birthday: the places where I sang his Dona nobis pacem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
The Prayer on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Bach's No. 1 today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: thanks for the update, and congrats to all on the TFA!  — Amakuru (talk) 15:55, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Sunday flowers and sounds, don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, and Prayer for Ukraine - here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:39, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
exquisite voice today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Some railway track for you!

For bringing some sanity to the Crazy Train

It's possible I'm making a bigger deal out of this than I should, but I really admire your willingness to be the first one to say "I don't understand" when, conceivably, two other people have indicated they do understand (only to find out they don't after all!) It's a humility not everyone has, but it helps very much when it comes to sanity-checking hooks. So, thanks for keeping DYK from going off the rails—this time, by putting yourself out there and saying something doesn't make sense :) cheers! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 10:26, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: thanks for your message, and I'm very happy that my conduct has won your admiration in this regard - it is an honour to receive this from you! (Plus, I'm very glad to receive some rail tracks, as I am secretly quite fond of trains and railways - I even wrote about them once at King's Cross Thameslink railway station ). I guess we ended up in an "Emperor's New Clothes" situation with that hook, in that nobody wanted to admit that they were the only one who couldn't understand it until others had already said so. Personally I'm maybe confident enough in my general knowledge and experience that I don't feel embarrassed if I don't know something... and if I don't know it then it's likely a good chunk of readers won't either so definitely worth flagging up! (And worst case then is that everyone thinks I'm a bit silly for a while and that's OK too)...  — Amakuru (talk) 17:21, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
absolutely, that's it—it's some cross between having the humility to know you might be wrong and the self-confidence to know that even if you are, it doesn't paint a complete picture. maybe you and trainsandotherthings could start a group :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:59, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Charles William Warner hook

Hi. Per this I was wondering that the problem was with the hook, and what needs fixing. thanks. Guettarda (talk) 00:10, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Guettarda: morning, and apologies for doing the swap without clarifying further - it was just that it was late at night for me so I didn't have time to elaborate at that point I was going to come back today at post at WT:DYK. It's not a huge deal, but the issue was that the quote used in the hook, "the real governor", need to be attributed to someone per the instructions at MOS:QUOTEPOV. Say in the prose which author called it that. The same goes for others in the article, such as "unsuccessful sugar planter" etc. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:11, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Sorry I took so long to reply. I ended up a bit swamped at work the last few days. Guettarda (talk) 01:24, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

No inv.

But you aren't going to look and see if I am completely or mostly correct factually? For example an event can lead or guide to but it can't lead itself.Justanother2 (talk) 19:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC) Oh, that paragraph? I deleted it before anyone else did. Stats and descriptions of plays in competitions on sports pages don't work the same as other types of posts and articles.Justanother2 (talk) 19:05, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't suppose you think the link on the Boselli article is a good one? It is though. The editor is at times removing links for no cause.Justanother2 (talk) 19:08, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
@Justanother2: part of the reason for not including the material there is that it's more of a statistical observation rather than part of a direct summary of the match, and belongs in some later section which looks more at the statically aspect. Also, it's uncited so if you want to reinstate it then at least do so with a citation. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 19:09, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Timor-Leste

Apologies for not linking to this discussion when I moved those pages, but there is a clear consensus. May I please move them back now? Primefac (talk) 07:29, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Primefac: thanks for the note and the link to the discussion, but unfortunately I'm going to have to object and request that you propose this at a formal WP:RM discussion. Sure there was a consensus at the page you mention, and there was no issue with moving boldly on that basis, but ultimately it was a discussion of three people at a little-watched WikiProject page so it should go to the recognized page move process now that I've opposed it. The reason I disagree is that the rationale for the move is based on the WP:OFFICIALNAME, whereas our article title policy is that we respect the WP:COMMONAME. And numerous discussions at the East Timor talk page have determined the common English name is that. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:48, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
I was under the impression that WikiProjects were allowed to set local consensus for pages in their purview, which is why we went down this route; I have zero interest in changing anything other than the sports pages. Primefac (talk) 08:52, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
@Primefac: not really, no. WikiProjects can define a naming convention if they want to, but the rest of the community is under no obligation to honour it. The overarching guiding policy for naming is WP:AT, and controversial or contested moves are always conducted through the RM process. In some cases, and this might be one of them, the RM discussion itself is hosted on a WikiProject page, but the key point is that it gets listed at the RM page, and is open to all Wikipedians with an interest in naming, rather than just the small set of people at the WikiProject. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:20, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Fair point. I'm genuinely curious to hear your opinions on this set of moves which I think fall under largely the same train of thought (with even less of a consensus). I personally disagree with the move (and don't think there's a consensus for it), but I dislike move-warring. Primefac (talk) 09:52, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
@Primefac: sorry I didn't respond on your latter point here. I actually don't think it constitutes "move warring" to simply revert a one-off bold move, as I did with the East Timor cases above. The instructions at WP:RM and WP:RM/TR make it fairly clear that it is routine to undo a bold move if it later becomes contested, with the RM process being used with the article still at the original long-term name, to make the situation unambiguous for all concerned. So you'd be well within your rights to revert those moves and seek an RM if you wished. I'm slightly unsure whether "Independent Olympian" and "Independent Olympic Athlete" are proper names or not... the terms don't appear that much in sources, but where they do they are quite often capitalised, so there might well be a case for opposing this... Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:55, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Republic of Afghanistan

Hello, Amakuru! I see that you wrote the result of my move request, but did not move the pages. Is there any problem with it? Sorry for disturbing you. --Heanor (talk) 09:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News

Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

  • AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
  • The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

In appreciation

The Reviewers Award The Reviewers Award
By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this award in recognition of the thorough, detailed and actionable reviews you have carried out at FAC. This work is very much appreciated. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:51, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 08:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@CAPTAIN RAJU: thank you, much appreciated!  — Amakuru (talk) 08:53, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
@Sdkb: very kind of you, thank you. Sixteen years already, eh... it doesn't feel that long!  — Amakuru (talk) 21:56, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Gitesi

Hey! You are the person I know as the Rwanda editor, so I'm bringing this up to you. Do you know whether Draft:Gitesi covers the same area as Kibuye? (I pinged you at the draft earlier, but that was before I looked at geohack.) Google Maps seems to have Gitesi where Kibuye is on Geohack. Thanks! Skarmory (talk • contribs) 10:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Singular?

re this move you did. First, do I understand correctly that you refer to the Talk:Alkali metal (blue) page? That's Talk:Alkali metal § rename without discussion? then, you were involved in. As I read that, there was no consensus. Also, you refer to WP:SINGULAR but in this case it is not a "plural noun" (like team), but a class name. With all this, the problem is that you have made a disputed move, ie, still not fleshed out. That could casue more controverse of the same. I had hoped a good consensus would have been sought. -DePiep (talk) 16:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@DePiep: Well we had a discussion, and the reasons why singular is preferred were set out, then the conversation seemed to have run out, so I made a bold move of those other articles to match the prior consensus from Alkali metal and other cases. If you really object to it you're free to revert it yourself or request the reversion at WP:RM/TR of course, and we can take it to a full RM, but there doesn't seem to me to be a strong case for retaining the pluralising given that "refractory metal" clearly exists as a singular concept, and that WP:SINGULAR instructs us that in general singulars are preferred even for classes of entity such as Alkali metal, Mammal and Planet. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:10, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Contested. It's not about me "agreeing" on the move, it is about no established consensus to move, and explicitly so after your previous edit in this. "there was a talk" is not enough. And the prior consensus from Alkali metal? That could only be § Requested move 28 February 2019, which does not conclude that. In short: I strongly request you do not continue with this process, and revert today's moves yourself. -DePiep (talk) 17:46, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
@DePiep: OK  Done. I've moved them back. Will open an RM at some point, if I get around to it. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 21:55, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2022 March newsletter

And so ends the first round of the WikiCup. Last year anyone who scored more than zero points moved on to Round 2, but this was not the case this year, and a score of 13 or more was required to proceed. The top scorers in Round 1 were:

  • New York (state) Epicgenius, a finalist last year, who led the field with 1906 points, gained from 32 GAs and 19 DYKs, all on the topic of New York buildings.
  • Christmas Island AryKun, new to the contest, was second with 1588 points, having achieved 2 FAs, 11 GAs and various other submissions, mostly on the subject of birds.
  • Kingdom of Scotland Bloom6132, a WikiCup veteran, was in third place with 682 points, garnered from 51 In the news items and several DYKs.
  • Philadelphia GhostRiver was close behind with 679 points, gained from achieving 12 GAs, mostly on ice hockey players, and 35 GARs.
  • United Nations Kavyansh.Singh was in fifth place with 551 points, with an FA, a FL, and many reviews.
  • SounderBruce was next with 454 points, gained from an FA and various other submissions, mostly on United States highways.
  • United Nations Ktin, another WikiCup veteran, was in seventh place with 412 points, mostly gained from In the news items.

These contestants, like all the others who qualified for Round 2, now have to start scoring points again from scratch. Between them, contestants completed reviews of a large number of good articles as the contest ran concurrently with a GAN backlog drive. Well done all! To qualify for Round 3, contestants will need to finish Round 2 among the top thirty-two participants.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Anything that should have been claimed for in Round 1 is no longer eligible for points. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth: thanks for the message, and glad I scraped through the first round this time. Just to be completely pedantic about this, technically the assertion that "a score of 13 or more was required to proceed" isn't correct. The 64th-placed contestant had 15 points, which means that at least that total was required - 13 wouldn't have been enough. (Also, as an aside, I don't even think it's possible to score 13 points in a round as there isn't a combination of point awards which yields that total)... Cheers and thanks again for the good work you guys put in running the Cup!  — Amakuru (talk) 12:13, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
You are probably right, but various scores are available through DYK and bonuses. The person who scored 12 was eliminated, and I probably should have rejected his submission anyway (wrote a biography 10 years ago which recently appeared In the news when its subject died). Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:33, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Please review this RM close

I hate to start an RM review but don’t see any choice here. Am I missing something? Please take a look and let me know. Talk:The_In_Between_(2022_film)#Requested_move_11_February_2022. Thx. —В²C ☎ 01:48, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Brilliant, refreshing prose

I keep meaning to mention this to you, after you used this terminology at WT:FAC, and now also at DiCaprio; it has me giggling, as it's a slight misuse of the terminology and process. I would have mentioned this sooner, but I am so often iPad typing and can't dig out the diffs (which I haven't looked for now, so maybe you'll take my word for it). It's not covered at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-07-21/Dispatches, although I thought it was.

The precursor to Featured articles was called Brilliant prose. At one point, they held what would today be called an FA sweep, where all existing Brilliant prose articles were simply voted in or out. (What I proposed we do two years ago for the current FA mess, but no one bought it, so we ended up with instead the excruciatingly slow WP:URFA/2020.) The sweeps were referred to as "Refreshing brilliant prose", as they were intended to "refresh" or eliminate the non-Brilliant; the only diffs for that (since we didn't have article history in those days) are to the full page where the sweeps were held. That's why you see in some {{Article history}} templates a "fake" FAC page representing what would be today called a FAR, but was the result of the sweep, that was the Refreshing of brilliant prose. I had to create those from the old diffs when we built all the article histories.

So, summarizing, the pre-FA process was never called "refreshing brilliant prose"; that was a sweep, which was the equivalent of a FAR, but was done then by just straight-up voting on each article. Still iPad typing, so I hope this makes some sense. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:01, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: ha, I laughed too when I read your message there... how droll! And there was I thinking it meant prose which was so brilliant it made you feel refreshed when you read it, like a cool drink on a hot sunny day. That era was all before my time as I didn't join WP until 2006 and it was already FAs by then. I'm quite tempted to carry on saying "brilliant, refreshing prose" because of the idyllic image it evokes, but I guess merely brilliant will have to do. Or "engaging and of a professional standard", as we call it these days... Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 17:12, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
That's why I giggle; it creates such a nice vision :) :) I also joined in 2006, but had to go through all of the old diffs (seriously, start to finish on the FA process) when Gimmetrow, Maralia and I built every single article history for every former or then-current FA. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-03-24/Dispatches Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:05, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
...refreshes the parts other articles don't reach. Not a bad slogan. Johnbod (talk) 18:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
Now we're getting into Moni3 territory; she would have a field day with the parts where the sun doesn't shine! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:10, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

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Nomination of Don't Leave (Simba Tagz song) for deletion

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge

Hi Amakuru, I'd like to let you know that I have boldly added Lusaka to Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge attached to your name. Please let me know if you'd like it to be removed, or add other articles you have worked on that may be relevant! Best, CMD (talk) 05:48, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis: oh that's great, thank you. I'll have a look if there are other relevant articles, I wasn't really aware of this project! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:15, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Natural disambiguation

Unfortunately it seems that the RFC failed partly because editors found the precise wording difficult though there were other reasons such as some felt natural disambiguation is often appropriate even if significantly less common. While its possible you or User:Born2cycle could start a new RFC with clearer wording I think such a proposal may be seen as forum shopping especially given the users who opposed tightening it in general and the fact that at the end I welcomed better suggestions/wording so I think we should just leave it for now. In terms of the Handa Island v Handa, Scotland case do you agree that "Handa Island" is a better title for the article than "Handa, Scotland" especially given evidence presented supported "Handa Island" was more common than plain "Handa" and even if close it provides an effective tie-breaker as opposed to Bray, Berkshire v Bray on Thames where the place appears to be just "Bray" far more especially in RS. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:08, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

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External opinion request

Hi Amakuru, a couple of things have made me cast an eye back on Dili, which I worked on during the 2021 core contest. Given your work on some developing country capital city articles, I was wondering if you might be able to take a look at it. My primary concern at the moment is managing the overlap between the Buildings and monuments subsection (and to a lesser extent the end of the History section) with the Culture section. The Culture section is the most obviously deficient area, being quite short. Sources feel hard to find, so I'm wondering if it would be better to reallocate more items from other already existing sections. Aside from that, I'm toying with potentially splitting off History, and maybe infrastructure, due to balance with other sections of the article, which may or may not be necessary/beneficial. Other than that the article has a tiny number of cn tags and a poor Twin towns - sister cities table, but these should be easy enough to either source or cut. Anyway, if you have time I'd appreciate your thoughts. If it's in decent shape I think I'll GAN it. (The small number of current East Timor quality articles are limited to history, wildlife, and of course a cyclone and an Olympic team article.) Best, CMD (talk) 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

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