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I will answer on your talk page, but may copy or summarize here so I remember what we talked about.

Archive 1 - Archive 2

It's Allroy Again[edit]

Sorry to bother you again. But I thought that I might send you an unedited copy of the email that Mike Garcia just sent me: From: Mike Garcia <> >To: PEACETHRUVANDALISM@HOTMAIL.COM >Subject: Go to hell - idiot bastard son! >Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 07:31:20 -0700 (PDT) > >Allroy, do not, I repeat DO NOT edit on Death By >Stereo. You are hard as ban and that means you will >NOT be allowed to edit the Wikipedia again. I'm sorry, >but I can't accept all your edits and everything you >do, that's why you've been reverted by me. Again, I >don't care how old the band is and please do NOT >change it again. Just leave the page alone for now and >give it a rest already. You continue vandalzing Death >By Stereo again, I have no choice but to report you to >other users: Jimbo Wales and Danny. > >Mike Garcia

Thanks for your time.

Can you Please Help Me[edit]

Hello, sorry to bother you but I have a problem with a user named Mike Garcia. He and I have disagreements about the year that the band "Death By Stereo" started. Whats more, everytime I reply to him (to try to work it out amicably) he calls my reply a "personal attack" and deletes them. I am worried that my replys will not be heard because he keeps deleteing them, and that I will get banned. I would like for Myself and Mike Garcia to both be disallowed from editing eachothers writings until some moderators can settle the dispute because I cannot reason with him.

Thankyou for your time. From User ALLROY

Below is the details of our disagreemnt and my sources that I have told him about to prove my point:

This person has poor links and bad information (his links are not even consistant with eachother, one says 1996, one says 1997). I know for a fact that Death By Stereo started in 1998. Here are some links that prove it. Take note of the 5th link which is an interview with the lead singer and only remaining original member of Death By Stereo, who says about 3/4 down the page that it was 1998. Also take note of the last link, which is a link to their official Myspace site, where it clearly reads 1998.

I will not revert the date, I will wait to see what the moderators/administators have to say.

My email is PEACETHRUVANDALISM@HOTMAIL.COM If you would like to mail to me because as I said, Mike, keeps deleteing things on my page so I may not recieve your reply.

Thanks for your time

Thank you very much

Please excuse my behavior, don't listen to him! He's just some troll account of Peacethruvandalism. He and I have both been fighting over how old the band is and the first version said it was 1996, I researched a couple sites and the user has been unconvinced with my sources ([1], [2], [3] and [4]). I have been looking for someone to ban him so he doesn't edit Death By Stereo again. -- Mike Garcia | talk July 16, 2005 14:25 (UTC)

Guns N Roses' copyedit[edit]

I just wanted to thank you for the amazing copy-edit you did on the Guns N' Roses article. For some time now, I've been working on it in order to make it a worthy featured article, and thanks to your edit, I think the article it's on it's way to achieve featured status. It has already been nominated and has not received objections to this date. Again, thank you very, very much! Coburnpharr04 01:25, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

category TOC template[edit]

Hi Catherine - One thing I didn't understand about your edit to template:CompactCatTOC. After the "class=plainlink" (BTW - I can't thank you enough for noticing this, I thought we were going to have to live with extlinks until somebody changed the software!) you added an open square bracket (which has no matching close square bracket as far as I can tell). This doesn't seem to make any difference, but rather than simply delete it I thought I'd ask if there's something it does that I'm just not seeing. -- Rick Block 15:01, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

OK, I'm an idiot...[edit]

...for forgetting about changes to the CompactTOC. Thanks for cleaning up after me on the geo-stub categories! Grutness|hello? Grutness.jpg 08:23, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi Catherine[edit]

Brookie here - thanks for your help on my icon-hyperlink query - now I know! In case you haven't seen it - there is the following message at the top of this page:"WARNING: This page is 36 kilobytes long. Please consider condensing the page and moving the detail to another article so it is not approaching or in excess of 32KB." Kind regards Brookie\talk

You're welcome on the icon thing, and thanks - I guess it was about time for archiving...! — Catherine\talk 22:50, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)


I just wanted to congratulate you. I think you designed a far better portal than what we had previously, and it is cleaner-looking than its opponent. You don't need to reply to say thanks or anything -- save your time:) Zantastik 23:28, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

portal Catherine-style[edit]

Hi, It did not work to get the portal live. Needs more tinkering. I have no time now for this. Also I must say that I am not very good in doing that type of stuff. But I will tray again if it is not done. Options; ask Tim Starling to do it if he can find time. Or you can ask Meta:Requests_for_adminship#Requests_for_temporary_sysophood Also I can unprotecd the page for a while and watch RC do defend it. If you want the I unprotection say when (time) in UTC. I can be online for this between 10:00 UTC and 18:00 UTC. You can reply here. --Walter 23:43, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry -- I was trying to find someone who had worked on it previously, who was comfortable with "tinkering". It's my understanding that Tim Starling is taking a break from Wikipedia to work on his doctorate degree, so I hesitated to contact him. Perhaps the temporary sysophood is the way to go..... my schedule is not predictable enough to arrange a good time for unprotection. Thank you very much for your time! — Catherine\talk 00:29, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I have now unprotected the pages template and portal so you can work on it if you like to do. I am garding those pages. I am now online whit Jabber; , ICQ 85153582, MSN and IRC freenode user "WalterBE" in #Meta if i need to do something. --Walter 19:54, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Periods After Names, Prefixes, etc.[edit]

I was wondering whether on articles such as Martyn Lloyd-Jones, in which originally quite a few periods were omitted after Dr and St, all entries with such abbreviations should be edited to add a full stop? How about on actual articles such as R Tudur Jones? -whitti 01:58, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

Your vote on portal projects merge[edit]

Hi Catherine! You voted for a merge of our projects (thanks) but you didn't sign yourself under any specific option. So please fill up the missing vote. I intend to do the merges when I get some time at last (probably next Sunday) but I need to know what people precisely want. Forseti 21:39, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to the MC[edit]

Catherine, I'm extremely pleased to let you know that the MC and community are unanimous in saying you'd make a fine mediator. :-) I've added your name at WP:MC but you may want to add an email address (or link to Special:Email). I'd offer advice as to how to mediate....but I don't know how myself. :-) I'm new to the committee (in spite of which fact I was made its Chair), and no one so far has been able to give me more than a few pointers. I suggest patrolling WP:RFM to see what's out there, especially as we have such a backlog that all of us will have to take on at least one case if even half of the requests turn into fully-fledged mediation attempts. Thanks for being willing to take on the responsibility, and good luck. If I can ever be of help, let me know. Jwrosenzweig 00:05, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Help contribute to Wikipedia:Consensus[edit]

Thanks for your comments at the pump about consensus decision making. I've noticed that some people have already been working on Wikipedia:Consensus. I think the page needs to be expanded and then linked all over. I hope you can contribute. --Samuel Wantman 04:38, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Manchester Catheral[edit]

Hey there! Glad to see you join my little attempt to add content to Manchester Cathedral article. This is only my second real attempt to produce an article (first was Sergey Brin), and it's the first time I've experienced the collaborative effect of Wikipedia first-hand (Though I know well of it; I'm a lurker, it's in my nature). I'm sure you'll be glad to hear that it was an amazing feeling and enthused me greatly, despite the fact that Manchester Cathedral falls well outside of my sphere of knowledge and interest. I can only imagine the feeling of working together on something I truly have a passion for. So thanks again, and keep up all your great work. Yours in Liberty, nsh 05:15, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

By the way, I noticed that there seems to be a problem with the CSS on your user page. I'm not sure whether it's my client, or a transient mediawiki error, or something wrong with your page code, but the header text "User:CatherineMunro" completely obscures the "user page", "discussion", "edit this page"... tabs. Hope this gets sorted out. :-) nsh 05:32, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Catherine![edit]

I appreciate the edits you made to the contribution I had made. I was limited on time when I found it turning to a snip and I'm also new to Wikipedia. I wasn't quite clear on all of how to format the page. Being rushed for time didn't help. But I love it! It's one of the most exciting projects I've run across in years. :) The edit is a much appreciated improvement.

Edit count[edit]

I noticed that you have a link to the old site for kate's tools. The new edit count link is 01:59, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)


I chose you at random, I don't know quite how to approach this thing I'm interested in doing. I'm the guy behind As such I find myself in the enviable position of having something which is what Should be available in that portion of wiki. I have made a few changes here and there to that section for UI reasons, and eventually ripped my entire list of the genre for the wiki page. What I'm getting at here is, my site is both non-commercial and specifically designed to be an encyclopedia for this genre. I would like to poke my way through the ranks to find someone who can make an official decision on some method of integrating my site with wiki, Someone who has the authority to sit down with me and work out a method agreeable to both sides. For my part, I would get much assistance on my site, free publicity, etc, for wiki, there would be a section which would suddenly be vastly more complete, and updated on a regular basis.

Please let me know what steps I can now take to get a sit-down with someone capable of honoring this idea with their attention and backing it up with the full knowledge of how wiki works. Thank you. Advocate (

Pardon me for evesdropping. I'm not sure specifically what you are looking to do, but it sounds like you may want to try sending a message to Jimbo Wales. func(talk) 17:13, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Only specific user should be able to edit their own user pages[edit]

Today I looked at my User page, and found that an anonymous person (ip: had replaced my entire User page with a single picture of a penis. They did it yesterday, so I believe it was in retaliation for a Delete vote I made on WP:VFD.

The page he/she made is here. (Remember, as I said, it's a picture of a penis, the one from the wikipedia article Penis to be exact.)

This brings up a thought in my head... for User pages, shouldn't the user themself be the ONLY one allowed to make edits to their own main user page? --Kitch 15:04, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)


So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for anybody to edit anybody else's user page however they see fit? So, for instance, I could edit your user page, and you can't do anything about it except go through the trouble of undoing my changes? --Kitch 01:23, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome message[edit]

Hi Catherine, thank you for the welcome. I've checked the Doctors' mess and the WikiProject_Clinical_medicine and confirmed the mind-boggling complexity of our project! I'll become active when I've gathered all my reference books from my other house. I think I'll start from sign (medicine) which is closer to my every day's work. Cheers! --Antono 11:49, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Issues about school articles[edit]

In November 2003, there was a VfD debate over Sunset High School (Portland). The debate was archived under Talk:Sunset High School (Portland). What to do with the article is still being contested and has been recently re-nominated for VfD at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Sunset High School (Portland).

I am writing to you because you have participated in such debates before. There still does not exist a wikipedia policy (as far as i can tell) over what to do in regards to articles about specific U.S. public school. My hope is that a real consensus can come out of the debate, and a real policy can take shape. Take part if you are so willing. Kingturtle 02:44, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

promo photos template question[edit]

I looked at your Duran Duran article for an example of a story to model some of my formatting after for consistency in Wikipedia. I was working on three detailed music biography stories here. I was wondering about the promophoto template method for several reasons. is a place where I asked a few questions recently about photos.

For one thing, I don't clearly understand if it's probably a little better from the photographer's standpoint if I just keep the files small in terms of what someone downloading it might be able to do to misuse them. I've seen a photo I uploaded mirrored into several sites and in one case it didn't give the photographer credit, so I had them remove it. But I frankly don't see how for web viewing purposes a 50 kb file is worse than a 500 kb file when we're dealing with the work of a professional photographer who is doing us a favor allowing us to use his or her photo to begin with. I don't really understand clearly if it makes things a little riskier for the photographer, so I wonder if it is ok to use small ones like you did in the Duran Duran story.

Now here is the bigger question....if I were to talk to a record label publicity person about using their Press photo jpgs for a particular story I finished (and possibly any story I do in the future of one of their artists since I tend to have an interest in a couple more and don't want to bother them constantly), but say they do not have time to figure out if they would ever want them GFDL licensed (and maybe wouldn't) but don't mind a small file being used as a "promo photo", do I use the promophoto template and say that I have permission to use them only on a fair use basis? I'm not sure I understand what I'd be saying then. I don't want to imply a GFDL license if they don't specifically give one.

The label I'm thinking of typically has 1 mb photos for the press but not out for the public; I'm not sure what 1 mb photos are used for, do you? They aren't used on the web typically, are they? But they also aren't high enough quality for print at 1 mb either? I guess I don't understand a few things.

Emerman 16:01, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply at my page; I have asked a couple of more long things in my page (because some of these are promos) but I think I am getting to where I will know how to handle my situation for good after we finish this chat. Thanks again. Emerman 22:22, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Photo captions[edit]

In article photos I upload, I had been thinking of whether to put the photographer's name at times in the caption. So far, I've just put the artist's name and year in the caption, and put everything else in the photo description page. I wonder if there's any real reason why someone couldn't put the photographer's name in the caption, especially in the case of people who download photos without looking at the photo description page; I saw a site take a GDFL licensed photo of a musician and put it on a site about a medical disorder the musician had without a credit to the photographer, but they later removed it when I mentioned the license to them. If the photographer is in the caption, it's less likely someone is going to reproduce it without mentioning the photographer. So I was thinking about whether to put a more descriptive caption: "(Artist Name), from (Label)'s promotional photos by (Photographer name) for the (year) album (Album Name)" because that describes it exactly. I wonder if that is too much info for a caption? The more opportunities I have to put a photographer in a caption, the better, so far as I am concerned. I'd do it with all the photos I upload, if I thought it was ok. Emerman 22:23, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Also, I have questions about the bit in the Upload page about me checking off the copyright owner has agreed to "license" it is kind of weird in the case of a promo photo where all we're trying to say is that it's tagged "fair use" as a "promophoto." I don't have to get someone's "license permission as GFDL" to tag it a promophoto, I didn't think. My understanding was I just have to establish that it is definitely intended by the label as a "promo photo" and then tag that we believe it therefore is fair use, I thought. A label's reps generally just say, "yes, it's a promo photo and it can be used for that by the press" (which they consider us), but they do not have the time or energy to contemplate "licensing" via GNU. I uploaded a small 60 kb format file I created from their much larger 1 mb + original file, to try to indicate even more strongly it's just fair use. I don't think I understand fair use well enough and i want to do my best to not make any copyright mistake. Emerman 22:28, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the pseudoscorpion caption and the previous replies at my page on matters discussed here. I tried the same photographer credit method in your caption with a colon after "Photo." Also I have learned it's a problem regarding confidentiality in some cases to put as much info as I was putting in the photo descrip page and am having to deal with that today. Won't put as much in the captions either, but the photo credit in the caption is still a good idea though..Emerman 14:57, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Music articles: song samples section[edit]

Sorry to knock again, but I would like your opinion. I was asked last year by another Wikipedian, who pointed me to the Peter, Paul and Mary article for a model, to add "song samples" in the article on Kristin Hersh; he suggested I upload a "fair use voice sample" but I found it even easier (also with less concern about "fair use" issues) to provide links to samples and downloads already on the web (except for with 50 Foot Wave's article, where I used direct mp3 links I was given permission to use by a publicity company). I am confused today looking at the Kristin Hersh, 50 Foot Wave, and Tanya Donelly articles I've been editing as to whether to put Song samples before or after the References section. The Peter, Paul and Mary article isn't any help on guidance for that because it has no References section. What do you think? I have just now moved Song Samples in the three articles to before References but I previously had them after that section. Do you have a preference and rationale on whether to place samples before or after References? I don't see any samples in your Duran Duran article, and I haven't seen other examples, but will look. — Emerman 03:11, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Renaming Gmail.jpg[edit]

I've been working on the Gmail article for a little bit now.

We recently got a picture of Gmail rendered in Japanese. The picture, however, is named "Gmail.jpg". Since I don't think that's too descriptive, I tried to move the image. When I did, wikipedia helpfully told me that "This action cannot be performed on this page."

I thought you might be able to help. Any ideas?

Thanks, Starwiz 14:32, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

This is what happens when the programmers write bad error messages, I guess. Anyway, thanks for your quick reply; I really appreciate it. (And for anyone who's reading this and is confused: Images cannot be renamed. You have to create a copy and then delete the old one.) Thanks again, Starwiz 00:28, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
I'm absolutely amazed at the swiftness with which the devs tackled the problem! But you're right: The lack of a move tab doesn't help anyone rename the image. I know the first thing I'd do after I noticed there isn't an option to move an image is to do a search, but the only page I found with half-decent instructions was Wikipedia:Requested moves, and they're stuck at the bottom as an afterthought. I may be bold, but I'm not bold enough to make a new page in the Wikipedia namespace without approval. Would a new page be in order? Or am I just not finding the FAQ? (By the way, am I doing this user talk page thing correctly, responding to your posts on my talk page on yours? Doesn't this get a little confusing?) Starwiz 01:18, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, the compliments, and for the changes to the FAQ. I really do appreciate it. Hope to see you around! Starwiz 21:59, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)


Hi Catherine,

Thanks for the encouragement with my Duran Duran stuff. It's nice to have somewhere I can dump my ever growing knowledge base of info.

--Feduciary 14:21, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks for the message, Catherine. I appreciate it. It is good to be back. FearÉIREANN 19:28, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Estonian Wiki passed 10.000[edit]

Hi Dont know if you are the one to notice, but I just found out that the Estonian Wikipedia has passed 10.000 articles and thus should be "moved up". Brgds - Ulflarsen 13:31, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you and[edit]

Regarding Antoine Carême, I appreciate your taking the time to weigh in on this relatively silly subject. Tony Sidaway has put it up for a vote, so if you can manage it, please go to the talk page and affirm your opinion. In any case, thank you. --Mothperson 16:02, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Schapelle Corby[edit]

Hi Catherine. Something went wrong with editing on Schapelle Corby so it looked like you had removed much of the article. This is now clearly not the case. Comparing edit histories now looks like _I_ removed much of the article, which is also not the case. Your last edit to Schapelle Corby isn't even showing anymore. Robertbrockway 21:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Ok, now the editing history is straight again but now it looks like you removed much of the article again. I give up, I have work to do :) Robertbrockway 21:18, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Catherine. Responding to your post in my talk section, I'm sorry about the confusion too. Wikipedia does seem to have been doing some odd stuff. I hope my edit message for Schapelle Corby didn't seem too gruff :) Robertbrockway 05:00, 25 May 2005 (UTC).

Please Stop[edit]

You are apparently the one who has been adding inappropriate material to Hoboken, New Jersey, in the form of repeated mentions and images of Mayor Dave Roberts, who is currently up for re-election. Take a look at other pages for small to midsize American towns-- most have no mention of current mayor, and certainly not repeated descriptions and photos. If you really feel Mr. Roberts is such a notable figure, please expand the article devoted to him... Please don't put me to the trouble of calling in Administrators. JDG 18:07, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Forgive me for eavesdropping. According to the page history, Catherine made a single edit to this article, restoring information previously already there. There is no evidence of her adding "repeated mentions" of anything. func(talk) 18:32, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Most of the Roberts boosterism was added by anon users, if I remember aright, who could have been an unlogged-in Catherine. Why would she go about painstakingly restoring Roberts stuff otherwise? Maybe there are two or more Roberts enthusiasts, I dunno. If it ends here, no prob. JDG 18:42, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
But why are you assuming this user is releated to the anon because of a single edit. Please see Wikipedia:Assume good faith. func(talk) 18:45, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
It's just the logic of the situation. How many people can be stalking the Hoboken article putting in plugs for an obscure small-time mayor?... I did say "apparently". Catherine is free to clear up any misunderstanding. But the important thing is that these edits stop, and she was the last to restore them. JDG

Thanks for stepping in, func; I know you're familiar with my work so I appreciate the support. I believe this mix-up is a symptom of WP's history glitches over the last few weeks. I've left an explanation at Talk:Hoboken, New Jersey: I haven't edited the article as an anon, and only made one edit, to fix an anon's deletion of the Demographics section. My only interest in New Jersey is that my husband was born there once upon a time! Sorry for the confusion... — Catherine\talk 20:27, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Dumb Newbie in need of help!!![edit]

Hi, wonder if you can help me? Theres an image I want to upload, and although I see loads of stuff explaining how to place pics once they're uploaded, I cant see anything that actually explains the upload process itself......(I am myopic in R.L., but even so!) Thanks in advance



For information about SVG files. :) Yug 15:00, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Possible new mediator and committee chair[edit]

Mgm has nominated himself to be a mediator and indicated he's willing to take over as chair. In an effort to help keep the mediation process alive, it would be nice if you could comment on this at Wikipedia:Mediation Committee. --Michael Snow 20:10, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User:Humanbot update 08 June 2005[edit]

Version two-two released today includes in that green box a nice count of how many articles are left. This more or less co-incides with the event of hitting only 1000 articles remaining. Also, I have re-arranged the User:Humanbot page to make it easier to get to the right stuff. Progress charts, wikicookies, wikilove and a more thorough spelling check is promised when this is completed. (and also when the exam pressure eases off a little on me) r3m0t talk 17:41, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC) Note: If you think this message was too trivial for a mailing, tell me and I'll stick to more important announcements on the list.

User:Humanbot update 13 June 2005[edit]

The spelling2 project (to work on secondary namespaces) was opened and finished. Progress charts will be available soon.

Version six-three tracks who made the edits, and rankings are available. Much of the work was done while I was asleep, explaining my low place ;).

The next project, which may even be released today, will probably fix incorrectly capitalised headings, particularly "See Also" and "External Links".

The mailing list has grown to 24 people and while that is very nice for my ego, it is rather difficult to send out updates. This is why I did not send out a notice that the spelling2 project had opened. From now on, then, you must watch User:Humanbot/announce for updates. r3m0t talk 12:03, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Mediation request[edit]

I have posted a request for mediation, and as I understand it, I'm expected to select a member of the Mediation Committee and ask them to serve. By flipping a multi-sided coin, I've picked you. Can you help us? Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation#Weblog.2C_User:Stevietheman.2C_User:robotwisdom.2C_User:Tverbeek. Tverbeek 05:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Request for mediation[edit]

I would like to submit to you a request for mediation regarding a user and administrator User:AndyL. This user has hijacked pages relating to the Canadian Monarchy to push his strong republican POV (demonstrated easily by his editing history), debate and discussion has no effect, and his attitude is bullyish and borderline offensive. There are two key areas where this is happening: on the Monarchist League of Canada page where he is trying to push his POV about the status of the Crown in Canada, and on Monarchy in Canada where he is trying to make his debate a part of the article.

I also might mention that he instigated a VfD for a page I created called Elizabeth II of Canada. While I don't object to that course of action, I do object to his reasoning which he stated on the related Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Elizabeth II of Canada page as being "page is redundant and created for a purely POV purpose." I was also accused by him of "vote interference," etc., etc. He also heavily edited the article, removing large portions of it, almost immediately after instigating the VfD, and thereby influencing the opinions of 'voters' on the article.

I put in a request for advocacy at the AMA, but it has not received a response. As well, I think AndyL's actions warrant a more serious intervention.

I have contacted User:AndyL about this request for mediation at his Talk page:User talk:AndyL]

I would be pleased if you could assist in bringing this issue to an amicable finish. Thank you, --gbambino 20:08, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm having a real problem with Ed Poor and have formally requested mediation[edit]

See also his talk page and the administrator's noticeboard for details.

Really need some help here, serious disruption by means of multiple page moves at Qur'an desecration controversy of 2005. Talk page there will make for interesting reading, as well. BrandonYusufToropov 19:30, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Dialects of the region of Calabria, southern Italy[edit]

Hi Katherine.. thank you for your advice regarding the Calabrian dialectal issues. I took your suggestion and updated the name to the Dialects_of_Calabria. Everything is also cited below with the external links to places like the official Ethnologue World linguistic classifications.

I also added many links and other information about the numerous dialects of Calabria, some of which are not even Romance/Latin-based in nature. Hence, a true Calabrian language does not exist. I hope you will be pleased with the updates.

I also put a lot of work into streamlining and updating the other language websites in southern Italy as well:

And I also added cultural, historical, and geographical content to the regional pages of Calabria and Apulia in southern Italy as part of the changes. I hope this satisfies your suggestions and thank you again for your advice! --VingenzoTM 21:05, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

thank you from Uwe[edit]

hallo Catherine! thank you for promoting my most beloved mystic critter - what contry are you from? - you have great contributions, I like your Duran Duran feature - take care Uwe Kils Heringmini.jpg 03:02, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

response from London[edit]

Uwe wants to share this with you (from his talk page):

Hello Kils[edit]

Just would like to state that i have very much enjoyed being involved in a project of this nature. To see the speed of co-operation between various people was (Uwe, Lupo and Salleman and all others) fantastic. It was a complete buzz to go off researching about a scientific subject and coming to some understanding and appreciation of a creature that i would have no knowledge or interest in otherwise. I would like to say that it takes a damn good teacher to get others interested in what they teach and i for one, if only in a rudimentary and general way have found the subject of Krill and sorrounding issues of ecology and environment fascinating. I think that says a lot about your willingness to let others participate in something which you obviously have great knowledge in and could easily have been a lot less humble with. At some point i will put up some informtion on my home page so at least people know a little more about me. Am going to try to extend the article on Ice-algae so any info you may have would be good. I hope the article on Antartic Krill gets featured as i think it is now very good.

Wikiversity sounds like a good idea but will need more time to go through the proposal (not too sure what help i could be).

Once again thanks Uwe! Yakuzai 22:50, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

that feels good

did you see who gave the picture of the day? take care Uwe Kils Heringmini.jpg 23:58, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

women are most important![edit]

thank you for your nice words - I allways felt that to have women on board is most important - my finest and most successfull students were female (see some on my userpage - thank you for your offer, I take it: we are now working on eel reproduction and my English is rotten - where are you? best regards Uwe Kils Heringmini.jpg 03:15, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)


Inclusion not Deletion[edit]

(AIW) can you take a look at Wikipedia "apartheid"? There is a movement to delete a two-word inclusion that is fact and true. It's gotten to the point that everyone is focused on the disputing editors and not the edit itself.

" Deletionists are disputing the following statement: "South Africa was settled initially by the Dutch, Germans and French from the 17th century onwards. English, other European settlers, and Diaspora Jews followed in the 19th century." This statement is true, and it therefore should not be deleted. 15:10, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)


I was also spammed with this, it is not an inclusionist/deletionist issue, it's an edit war. PhilHibbs | talk 08:34, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)


hallo Catherine! thank you for the help with the eels - amzing critters, arn't they? regards Uwe Kils Heringmini.jpg 03:02, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

we want to make this FA, see our last project Uwe Kils Heringmini.jpg 03:11, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
I see you are working again on Euphausia superba - that is great - did you see how much they like the mystic critter now - thanks again and best greetings Uwe Kils Heringmini.jpg 00:21, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)


that's right Uwe Kils Heringmini.jpg 00:34, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

edit counter[edit]

how do I set up such an edit counter like you have? I have over 1500 edits but show not up in the list - help please - Uwe Kils Heringmini.jpg 00:42, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I found it out 2826, but why do I not show up in the list? Uwe Kils Heringmini.jpg 00:50, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
thank you, and how do I get on the list? Uwe Kils Heringmini.jpg 00:58, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

production area[edit]

I changed it somewhat, please look again Uwe Kils Heringmini.jpg 01:15, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)


I think the edits that you have both made on the Antarctic Krill article are very good and the section seems to work a lot better for me now. Thank you and remember bears are not just for christmas they are for life! Yakuzai 09:17, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


do u like stay on teh computer all day?

soundgarden and smashing pumpkins for music. u like them?
it depends there first album Ultramega OK is good if u like punkier and more underground rock music. Louder Than Love is good if u like slow Black Sabbathy metal or Led Zeppelin. Badmotorfinger is good if u like punk/metal that is polished up. Superunkown had most of the hits like Spoonman and Fell on Black Days. I thougth the last album Down on the Upside wasnt as good as the rest of the albums

Request for Mediate re: The Truth About Hillary[edit]

Hi Catherine!

My name is Rich Sampson and I need some help.. I'm sure you've heard of the new Hillary Clinton expose that was just published. (The Truth About Hillary: What She Knew, When She Knew it, and How far she'll go to be President) by Edward Klein. I purchased the book out of morbid curiosity and thought Wikipedia would like to have a book summary. So I wrote one on the page, which had very little info on it, and did my upmost to be as middle-of-the-road as possible. Everyone seems to like the article but one particular users continues to object to the fact that we have characterized two people who have made comments on the novel as liberal and conservative. Matt Drudge, who is responsible single-handedly for it being a Number 1 amazon best-seller was identified as conservative. Joe Conason, who had made the first liberal response to it was identified as liberal. Their quotes on the novel are reproduced, along with their names and political views.

This is under the controversy subheading, to show the two sides of the debate. A user, who seems to have two names -- Pitchka [5] and Dwain [6] has been removing Drudge's conservative characterization. I then put an interview excerpt of an interview with Drudge on the TALK page for the article stating he's conservative and proud of it. I restored the conservative characterization. Then he began deleting both the conservative and liberal characterization. It was replaced by myself with an explanation, and other users have spoken up saying that they're important to include, simply because it better informs the reader as to the source of these opinions. However, Dwain and/or Pitchka continue to revert it against the consensus opinion. He left a message on my talk page (my name is RJSampson [7]) blasting liberals (though I myself lean conservative) and saying "And since I started this article I will not give in to you on this issue". It's almost as if he isn't concerned about providing information, but is simply acting impulsively. I wrote him back kindly, explaining my position as I have on the talk page, but consensus doesn't register with him, nor does simply talking out our ideas. His page indicates he's extremely conservative and he enjoys how that angers people on wikipedia. He seems to consider everyone else stupid, from what i read on Pitchka[8]. I've tried everything I can think of to make a professional, central article but nothing has helped resolve this needless conflict. Please advise.

Thanks so much for your help! Richard SAmpson

added more
thatd be funny if wikipedia got sued

thanks i was gonna finish most of the other singles later

how do you upload images Jobe6 03:34, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

lol i found it out and also is the image i used a suitable one?

i thought i was ussing Jobe6 04:11, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Added a few more pics to the Soundgarden page and added some to Flower. I put in a page for Hands All Over but ill finish taht tomorrow or today howevver u look at it.


made a {{template:Soundgarden}}


made a {{template:Soundgarden}} Jobe6 00:54, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)

Interested in an L.A.-area Wiki meetup?[edit]

It appears as though L.A. has never had a Wiki meetup. Would you be interested in attending such an event? If so, checkout User:Eric Shalov/Wikimeetup.

- Eric 28 June 2005 04:03 (UTC)


What kinds of things can i do to become an administrator? Ive read teh page that tells wat i can do but i was just seeing wat you would suggest.


I've replied to you on talk:strpsirrhini. - UtherSRG July 1, 2005 16:22 (UTC)


Would it or would it not be smart to apply for adminship now? I only have 164 edits to articles and I am barely known in the wikipedia community. How can i get more people to know who i am? Jobe6 July 9, 2005 00:57 (UTC)

Template locations[edit]

I have noticed you discussed template locations at Wikipedia talk:template messages.

One user has unilaterally been moving templates from articles to talk pages en-masse (over 100 articles are affected during a spate made by the user last night). I have spent some time trying to resolve this issue.

There is now a poll discussing where templates belong created at Wikipedia:Template locations, and a discussion at Template talk:Expansion. ~~~~ 14:04, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


You've shown your opposition of Wikipedia:Disruptive User, but you didn't vote. Please do. Howabout1 Talk to me! 22:59, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

hello! i am a new member and i just submitted my first article to Wikipedia "Paul Revere Williams 1894-1980" and i neglected to log in before i submitted it. I was hoping to get credit for this, my first contribution. My account name is Hamster Sandwich. My email addy is and i was hoping as an admin here you might help me get the credit for this submission. yes or no please take a minute to write me back and let me know how things might play out in this situation. I want to be a regular contributer to this, the most valuable resource on the WWW. thank you for your time!

krill on mainpage in Danmark today[edit]

hallo Catherine! today our antarctic krill is on the main page in Danmark (where my roots are!) - thank you again for your help Uwe Kils Heringmini.jpg 15:12, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

Using copyrighted images - fair use / fair dealing[edit]

I was more than a little disturbed by your statements here which I will requote fully, as well as my response from Talk:7_July_2005_London_bombings:

Their license is NOT compatible with ours. Even if we counted as media, which we don't for their purposes, by uploading them here we'd be (at least perceived as) putting them under the GFDL and making them available for others to use under the GFDL, which is not Trackernet's intent. It's fine and very desirable to link there, and point out the important nature of the pictures, but we cannot upload and use the pictures here. — Catherine\talk 18:15, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Of course we can since one can use images that are copyrighted under fair use so their 'license' has nothing to do with it. More than a few images are used on Wikipedia underfair use, as is quotes and other portions of copyrighted material. Reread my statements above and hopefully we can dispell ignorance on how we can use fairuse rights to the fullest extent (so they are not taken away). --ShaunMacPherson 21:25, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

As you may or may not know copyright has limits, they could have said "we do not authorize anyone who is white, or who likes cats from using our images" but that would not fly as copyright is not an unlimited right. They cannot do that - the power of copyright is limited and one of those limitations is individuals being able to use portions under fair use / fair dealing.

If we waive our fair use rights by default then they will be taken away, and since Wikipedia seems to be about freedom of information to individuals it is damaging when people advocate waiving fair use rights. Thanks for your time! --ShaunMacPherson 21:34, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

just wanted to let an administraitor know that someone deleted the Germany section and replaced it whit "Heil Hitler".

moving articles[edit]

hi there Catherine,

I need your help please. I created an article with a specific name heading, and I followed the rules of naming royals. now someone else came, and simply moved the article without placing a discussion on it first. of course I tried to move the article back to the original name, pointing out that if they want to move something, they need to place a discussion first. I tried to restore the article by copying and pasting the content back, because I couldn´t move it anymore. so obviously I was accused of breaking the rules in that case.

I couldn´t move the article back, so now I apparently need a help from an administrator. I find highly ironic, that the users would accuse me of breaking the rules, when they themselves did not follow them. is that fair, i just don´t understand how it works sometimes...?

the articles that were moved are:

the discussing parties are having some issues with the naming, however in this case there are no clear rules and so I would like to post a discussion on the topic obviously. but until then, I am not in the mood of a constant moving-war and those users should just leave the article under the original names until there is a consensus.... or am I just not understanding something right here? really appreciate your time and looking forward to your response. thank you.... Antares911 22:28, 20 July 2005 (UTC): hi Catherine, thank you for your kind posting.

that was precisely the problem. in this situation there are no clear rules on the naming. I just don´t understand how someone comes, moves the articles without going thru all the procedures that you described (which I know). and then why I try to restore it, I get criticised and told to do exactly the procedure, that the other users chose to simply ignore? even though I wrote that article and followed the naming rules? thanks again for your help and time. Antares911 10:29, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Accurate contributions[edit]

May I ask you to have a look at the Nick Adams page. I am sorry that there is an edit war going on. I have included two additional passages in the article, but User:Wyss and his alter ego User:Ted Wilkes have repeatedly deleted this text. Interestingly, both users seem to take turns in doing repeated reverts in order to delete what I have written, presumably to escape violation of the three revert rule. See Nick Adams, history. To my mind, both users are identical. They seem to use different IP addresses, which is possible, as in the past, User:DW, another of the many aliases of Wyss and Ted Wilkes, had repeatedly been banned. Significantly, a user has written on the User:Elliot page (one of the aliases of DW):

Isn't it amazing how much Elliot's contributions mirror DW's and Ron Davis's. Same refusal to answer questions. Same insistence that he is always right. Same vicious rudeness to anyone who dares to question his judgment. Maybe we could call them the Blessed Trinity, or maybe 'The Popes', given they seem to believe in their own infallibility.

This sounds as if it has been written against users Wyss and Ted Wilkes. See also the history of the User:Ted Wilkes page. Erroneously, Wyss has also contributed to that page. See [9]

Be that as it may, I have added these two passages to the Nick Adams page:

1. At about the same time Adams was also a close friend to Elvis Presley. This is confirmed by Red West, member of the 'Memphis Mafia' (pals and employees of Elvis), and Judy Spreckels, the platonic girlfriend of Elvis in the early days of the singer's career.
What is wrong with this passage? It should be added that there are photographs showing Elvis together with Adams. So it is quite clear that Adams and Elvis had been close friends at that time. See [10] and [11] Their friendship must be mentioned in the article. It is part of Adams's biography.
2. According to several sources, Adams had homosexual leanings. In his 2004 biography Natalie Wood: A Life, Gavin Lambert writes, "Her first studio-arranged date with a gay or bisexual actor had been with Nick Adams..." In 1972, Sal Mineo stated that Adams told him that he had a big affair with James Dean. The book Elvis: The Hollywood Years (David Bret, 2002) even claims Elvis Presley was intimate with Adams. That the singer had an affair with Adams is also confirmed by Elvis's stepmother, Dee Presley. However there are no court records, contemporary letters or statements attributed to Adams to support the rumours that Adams was homosexual.
The reputed biographer Lambert, who also worked for many years as a Hollywood screenwriter, was a lifelong friend of Wood's. He was deeply involved in Hollywood's gay scene and must have known that Adams had homosexual leanings. It is also a fact that gay actor Sal Mineo was in close contact with both Adams and Dean. It should also be noted that in the Hollywood world Adams is more widely known for his contacts and affairs with other well-known stars than his acting career. So his affairs with James Dean and Elvis Presley are of much importance and should be mentioned in the article.
In my opinion, the last sentence, written by Wyss, is not necessary as many Hollywood homosexuals did not "out" themselves, but I am willing to make this concession to user Wyss. I have only cited what is written in independent books and articles (see Talk:Nick Adams). I think this is in line with the Wikipedia guidelines, as administrator User:Ed Poor said:
unless an assertion is utterly uncontroversial, it's going to need some back-up. Especially, if one of more contributors challenge the assertion. Then, it's better to move the disputed passage to the article's associated talk page.
A good way to deal with disputed ideas is to attribute an assertion to a source. Like:
Nick Adams says James Dean screwed Natalie Wood while Elvis watched (note: this is a made-up example); or,
Nick Adams says Elvis Presley paid X to cover up his homosexual affairs with Y and Z (another made-up example)
Note the common theme here. Wikipedia is not saying Adams [in the made-up example] is right, it's merely passing along his claims clearly attributed to him.

I think I have accurately cited my sources. In addition, gay biographer David Ehrenstein, who has written a book on Hollywood gays, sent me an email in which he confirmed the assertion that Adams was gay (see Talk:Nick Adams). As an expert, he must have used several sources which prove that Adams had homosexual leanings. I am the person involved in this edit war who frequently cites different sources which all prove that Adams was gay, and Wyss/Ted Wilkes is the person who is constantly disparaging these sources - in lack of further evidence supporting his view. Indeed, user Wyss is unable to cite any sources which undoubtedly prove that Adams was heterosexual. I don't know what else I can do. May I ask for mediation?

The edit war continues. It has now reached a critical point, as it has also been transferred to the Gavin Lambert article. May I again ask for help? Thanks. 11:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)


I know that you dont receive any special powers over anyone.(I dont want power over anyone really) Its just I think that a bunch of tasks on wikipedia like gettin rid of vandalism would be easier. I have a really bad internet connection so it takes forever to check history and then to edit page. Jobe6 02:22, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

L.A. Meetup Reminder[edit]

Don't forget! L.A's first Wiki meetup is TONIGHT at 7:30 at Philippe's in Downtown. Check out the meetup page for details. See you there! (If you can't make it, come to the next one! - Eric 22:02, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


Dear Cat: Hi! I wanted to tell you thank you for pointing out the advertisement links, otherwise Id made an article destined to be merged. I actually added one or two I know on one of the lists.

Thanks for the photo adorning your page too, youre quite attractive, I think.

About Duran Duran, remeber The Union of the Snake?? I saw the 1984 video in which Duran Duran came to the USA and they dedicated The Morning After to Marvin Gave, I swear that it still makes my eyes watery when I hear that song, out of Gave's memory and also its so beautiful. And how about The Reflex? That was the best song of 1984!!

My expertise as far as rock music is Menudo becuase, in 1982 as a ten year old in Latin America, what you wanted was to be a Menudo so you could have all the girls faining for you after you sang Clara, Lluvia (Rain) or Sube a mi Motora (Motorcycle Dreamer)..LOL

Well thanks for everything and God bless you!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Men-You-Do Martin

Featured article candidate[edit]

Could very obscure and unknown bands become featured article candidates if the article was very good? Jobe6 01:58, July 27, 2005 (UTC)


Please update Template:MedComOpenTasks (list current cases) and Template:Medcom#Active_Mediators (add * for each current case) to reflect your current status. Sinreg, -St|eve 22:59, 27 July 2005 (UTC) P.S. New rules in testing: No absolute consensus for mediation, (else to WP:RFAR), and MC:Chair assignment of mediators, rather than disputant agreement (given no confict)

PPS:Would you be able to assist WP:RFM#Democratic Peace Theory. -SV

History of Baseball[edit]


Thank you for suggesting that I get an account. I will try to put a few hours into updating information in baseball. I publish the largest minor league sports publication, and, in the last five years I've done stories and interviewed dozens of people for the publication who have given me a much better and broader view of the history of the sport than comes from the major market sports writers. They knew about as little as I did, because the marketplace was largely invisible to the mainstream media for decades.

We will also be contributing information from some of our historical articles at Minor League News (MLN) that we put together for leagues like the Pacific Coast League (PCL). I got a letter from Cathy Brovia, Joe's widow, thanking me for taking the time to keep his memory alive. I still have several players from the 2004 PCL Hall of Fame to add. I was happy to make some additions to Pants Rowland, whom I researched for an article for about six weeks. This is a great project.


Brian Ross Sr. Editor Minor League News (MLN)

Process question regarding Move to Wiktionary[edit]

Hi Catherine -

What is the process when one disagrees with the addition of the "move to wiktionary" tag? The case in point is the article take, which currently has both cleanup and move to wiktionary tags added. In my view this is a perfectly legitimate, concise encyclopedia entry; the context that is given and the supporting detail move it beyond a simple dicdef.

So, what do I do? Just delete the tag? Argue about it on the talk page? There doesn't seem to be the equivalent of a vfd page for this process. If the only answer is "expand the article", then I have a bit of a concern since it seems rather arbitrary to have one person's judgement demand action without a clear consensus.

I come to you rather than the person who originally added the tag because they appear to have left temporarily. Thanks.

Jgm 12:33, 29 July 2005 (UTC)