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Notice of noticeboard discussion

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Beyond My Ken (talk) 16:01, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Chicdat, I strongly advise you to stay out of administrative areas. This means everything related to blocking, deletion, protection, user rights, and the like. You are making great content but have demonstrated repeatedly that you are not yet prepared to wade into these areas. You have ignored this advice before and clearly that did not work out, so please please consider complying. The alternative would be a topic ban from these subjects or other sanction. Don't make it come down to that.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:24, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

I have closed the noticeboard discussion. I strongly advise you to listen to the advice Jasper offers you above and to honor what I took to be your commitment to not relist/close XfDs. Let me know if you have any questions, otherwise best of luck with your editing. Barkeep49 (talk) 00:42, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jasper Deng, Beyond My Ken, and Barkeep49: Does that mean I cannot participate in miscellany for deletion discussions anymore?

(for reference)

My Timeline of Disruption & Wikibreaks

🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 11:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Chicdat, participation is fine. Just don't relist or close them. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 12:15, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Or do anything else in other areas which are normally tasks for administrators or, occasionally, long term editors, like moving an old RfA. You seem to be doing OK with your editing, so just continue to edit. Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:05, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Chicdat - an example of a task you should not be doing is getting involved with blocks/unblocks. Yamla had written about that a few days ago and I see that you've done a couple of those actions recently. That's not a good idea either. Barkeep49 (talk) 14:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Confirming that you can participate in deletion discussions but really ought to not take any actions on them (closing or relisting). I agree with Barkeep49 and BMK. If you have any doubts, you should ask @Hurricanehink: or some other experienced editor first, but really, the great majority of what you listed above is you just jumping into the deep end too early. To make a swimming analogy, you've barely learned breaststroke and are trying to do an individual medley.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:47, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay. I'll think of it as an editing restriction. 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 12:54, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I'm so sorry. 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 10:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Your signature

Your new signature (Bawk to me) made my day. Thank you. ~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs) 15:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome!! Both of them imply that I am familiar with chickens. here it is again! 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 09:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

GA Nominations

Hello, please do not close Good Article nominations that have not been reviewed yet. NoahTalk 21:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Question

One person spoiled the article of the 2020 Northern Indian Ocean cyclone season and please take action on it. Janm 7 (talk) 08:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Janm 7: Don't you dare worry. It's called vandalism. Several users from an IP range have been creating it. Don't worry, it's all under control. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Member of the month pick

New discussion thread, replacement for /Archive 2#Article suggestions 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase

Iune works! Good choice. Do you know what you have to do to send it out? Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 11:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

No. What do I have to do? 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 11:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't think Iune got the message. She still hasn't responded. --🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 12:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey, on second thought, don't worry about sending out the newsletter, I saw Noah added something, and it's been a busy few days in the tropics. We can always send out the newsletter July 1st, there's no rush and no consequences if we wait. I did want to point out one thing though - it's considered bad taste to move other people's drafts when they're incomplete, such as Hurricane Dorian's effects in US. I'm glad though that you're getting fully invested in editing though, hopefully editing is still fun now that it's hurricane season. Do you have any questions these days, regarding editing or Wikipedia? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:14, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Okay, let's do it on July 1. (Hey, is this becoming our new talking-to-each-other section, the old one being the #Article suggestions section?) And I do have a question. Why is my talk page suddenly overloaded with messages and discussions? Compare this revision with this one. 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 10:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
P.S. Robert McClenon declined Draft:Tropical cyclones in 2011 because he doesn't know that there are Tropical cyclones in XXXX articles. I showed him a few examples, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here. I am also requesting help with Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/2005 a draft for Tropical cyclones in 2005. 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 10:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Haha, yup, this can be our new section talking back and forth. As for the messages, it just means you're interacting a lot more with other users. As you might've noticed, not every interaction is going to be positive, especially as you experiment more with Wikipedia and try out new articles. One of the main points of the project is collaboration - we're all trying to do the same thing here, document all of human knowledge, write it well, and have sourcing to prove we didn't make it up.
As for 2011, yea I'd agree with Robert McClenon - that 2011 draft is incomplete, ditto 2005. It's going to take a lot of work getting those yearly articles done, similar to the amount of work that you've done for Cat 2 hurricanes. Maybe you could reach out to some other users to collaborate on them? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:24, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
That's why it's at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/2005 and not User:Chicdat/sandbox2, so other users can work on it. Also, yesterday while I was cruising across Wikipedia, I came across Destroyeraa's user page. And in the section History, it said: 'Thank you, Chicdat.' That made me feel proud because I had helped a WP:NEWBIE with Wikipedia (when I am still sort of one myself)! 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 10:57, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
That's great! I hope you keep reaching out to newbies. And considering how long you've been around, and that you're already semi-familiar with the rules, I wouldn't call a newbie. You're just part of the project now, one of hundreds of editors trying to make sense of all these storms. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
I didn't think of myself as a newbie for the few weeks before that either. 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 09:57, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Good, it seems like you're getting the hang of it. I was wondering, have you considered improving any articles to good article status? The amount of work you're doing for Cat 2 hurricanes is incredible, and might lead to an eventual featured list, but those are a lot of work, and making an article a GA isn't quite as much work. Newer storms (like from this year) can be tough to get to GA status, but ones from recent years shouldn't be too tricky. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:08, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: Are there any storms from either 2018 SHEM or WPAC that would be easier for Chicdat to do? I'm just asking Hink in the case that you want to, Chicdat. I would recommend that you avoid the large storms and season articles (on your own) for now since those require a lot of work and experience with gathering sources. Season articles really aren't worth doing until you flesh out all the storms anyways. If you do want to do a more important storm, you should see if an experienced editor could help you with you it. Trust me when I say it is tough finding sources, especially in other languages. Hurricane Willa, which Hink, KN, and myself really focused on has 100 Spanish sources. Those took so many hours to find, but it was quite an interesting experience and I learned a lot about the storm as I unearthed new information. Keep in mind that most storms won't end up as a 99k article, but it is just as important to have finished articles on them. NoahTalk 16:51, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe Cyclone Marcus or Cyclone Owen? They both affected Australia, so the sources would be in English. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:07, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Sure. But only after I'm done with the C2 list. 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 09:56, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Looks like that'll be soon! Keep up the good work Chicdat. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:23, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: Guess what? my second talk page archive will have much fewer discussions on it than the first one since it includes the "Article Suggestions" one, which is huge (25.4 kilobytes). 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 09:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Nice, that's a sign you've been around for a while. I'm curious if you have any projects you're working on, say, going for any good articles? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:28, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Oh, yes. I'm putting a high amount of references in User:Chicdat/sandbox so it is not rated as Start like my other articles. 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 10:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
The important thing is to be thorough. You wrote a paragraph, but I think Owen could be expanded even more. Check out other good articles in the basin, and you'll see how there's other information out there. For example, be sure to include references for where the storm is, for instance, where it formed, what direction it moved, where it crossed land, where its peak was. Also, why did the storm move the way it did? It's a lot to add, but that's how you get an article that's rated higher than start-class. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
It is worth remembering that an article rating can change with time, as more work and research is put into an article. Your articles were rated as a start, because they need to be gone through for excess references and the data needs double checking especially around the deaths and damages.Jason Rees (talk) 19:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
What can I do to improve User:Chicdat/sandbox to GA? Also what do I put in the Preparations section? 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 11:11, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
You'd put the same type of preps you'd put in any article - any warnings, mention shelters opening, mention if anything was canceled because of the storm. As for making it a GA, you mention impacts for the Solomon Islands and Papua New Guinea, so try finding info for those countries. Also, you mention the $25M damage total, but don't mention what caused it. Were any houses damaged? Roads? Power lines? See what info you can find with a good google search. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 12:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! I see that Owen's for the 2018 global FT; I'm glad to take part in it. Thanks, 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 12:55, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Yup, that's what I had in mind! When in doubt, I suggest checking out other good articles for that basin. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:32, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
I've looked at Cyclone Alessia and Cyclone Nora, both GAs in the Australian region during the 2010s, and I'm realizing that I'll have to do way more work, even to the mostly-done Meteorological history section, to get it up to GA. The most I can get Owen in its current state up to is start. 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 10:34, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

IDK, I think you're getting it! Owen is starting to look pretty good. Your MH is a decent length, and I see you're starting to add in the impact and preps section. Often, the hardest part is finding information, but thankfully Owen only affected English-speaking areas, so it should be pretty easy to find more info. Let me know if you need help finding sources. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC) Talk:2018–19 Australian region cyclone season/December - here's an archive of advisories for the storm, which should help with the MH. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:54, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Here's the TCR from the BOM. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:58, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
At the end, I'm not going to let Owen get any lower then B-class, and would prefer for it to pass a GAN. Thanks SO much for the sources, 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 10:29, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm getting Queensland confused with Northern Territory and I don't know which is which! Help me, 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 12:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Resolved. 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 12:46, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Good for figuring it out :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:31, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Don't forget to use the BOM TCR, but it's looking much better. It's a lot of work getting to GA status, but when you're done, you can take pride making one of the best resources anywhere online for a given storm. Also, you should put the Solomon Islands first in the impact section, since the storm affected that country before Australia. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:16, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay. Will do. 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 09:57, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

What do you think about Owen in its present state? Is Talk:Cyclone Owen/GA1 ready to be created? 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 11:58, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Good job Chicdat! It’s not perfect, but it’s your best storm article to date. Two things stand out - no info for Papua New Guinea, and all of your metric units shouldn’t be converted to US units. You can do it like this - 100 mm (3.9 in). Also, this part felt off/misleading - “Owen was the first tropical cyclone situated over the Coral Sea since 1997.” given the TL you mentioned in the note, I think you can remove this sentence. Still, a pretty good job. I don’t know if it would pass a GA review. Do you want me to get someone to review it before you publish the article? Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 13:24, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
I just finished the preparations section, and I'd prefer to finish it tomorrow, since I don't have much time right now. 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 13:28, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Yea take your time, there's no rush. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:45, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Should Owen be published now? 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 10:04, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Sure! I moved it to Cyclone Owen. Good work Chicdat! It might need some more work before it passes GA, but it's certainly well on its way. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
What do I do, now that Owen's finished? The largest article in WPTC: List of Atlantic tropical storms? 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 10:39, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Whatever you feel like working on :) That's the best of Wikipedia. Because it's all volunteer, you can work on whatever you want to. However, you still need to work well with other users, learn/follow the rules, that fun stuff. If you're not sure, then I'd suggest Cat 1 hurricanes before Atlantic TS's, or something like Tropical cyclones in 2002, rather than another storm article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:17, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, C1 hurricanes. Too bad the user who was working on it was blocked as a sockpuppet of Sleepinthestars. 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 11:18, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey there, I saw you were having some troubles with Owen. So I noticed you mentioned your age in your user summary - I removed the visibility of your edit summary in question. Wikipedians should be treated equally regardless of their age. That being said, it is a big project doing an article as big as Owen. Maybe you'd be more comfortable with something like C1 hurricanes, which I'm working on with User:Destroyeraa (and anyone else who wants to work on it). As you learned from doing Cat 2 hurricanes, it's a big project, and we have 80 years left of C1 storms to add, but it's better to do as a collaboration than doing it alone. Happy editing Chicdat! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:56, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You don't have to tell me that. Yeah, I'll do the lists instead, storm articles are... a little harder, I've learned. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:02, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
In hindsight, Owen 2018 was probably one of the worst systems for you to try and compile as it has limited sources that talk about the MH in detail, which is why I am being patient and watch you rewrite the article as a whole rather than straight out failing the GAN. It is slowly but surely getting better, however, you still say that the system degenerated into an area of low pressure and that it turned extratropical when it didnt. I would also add in information from the JTWC where relevant and tell us what windspeeds the JTWC and the BoM think it peaked with before comparing them back to the Australian Scale and SSHWS.Jason Rees (talk) 16:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
No thanks, I started Owen, and I'm not going to let it sit there in the Wikipedia non-GA pit of doom looking miserable and needing updating. I'm going to pick the article up and get it to a GA to play my part in the 2018 Global FT! --🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:14, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Come to think of it, I never thanked you for STILL doing the GA review despite my rude edit summary to you, and STILL doing all these tips despite the MH being a mess. Thank you. But I still have a question... how can I write a good article without it being a really big deal? 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:14, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

It will come with experience. Jason Rees (talk) 10:57, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I understand. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Hiya Chicdat, I agree with what Jason said, that it becomes easier writing a good article with more experience. In a way, Owen was a bit of a test to see how you'd do - you didn't fail by any means, but it showed you how much work is expected for a good article. I'm glad you're open to Jason's comments. After all, no one owns any one article, and we're all just trying to make sure that Wikipedia is as good as it can be. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Here, I'm back. Owen really is hard! I'm still on 4 December in technical bulletins. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:07, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Question: With my ban on administrative areas, can I support the merger of Hurricane Isaac (2018)? Thanks, 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:34, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Hey Chicdat, it's probably not the best idea. It already looks like Isaac is headed for a merger, so I'm not sure what one additional voice would add. The best way to be productive on Wikipedia isn't focusing so much on the talk pages - it's reverting vandalism, adding content, and working on collaborations :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:42, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Alright. I'll get back to Owen. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:16, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm working on Tropical cyclones in 2002 and I came across Hurricane/Typhoon Ele, which crossed a basin. How do I put a storm that crossed basins on a graphical timeline. Thanks, 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:54, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Great question! For the date/coloring, keep Ele normal up until the date when it crossed the basin. Then, you list the dates/color for WPAC. Check out how it's done in 2018 with Hector. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 12:26, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
It's all of those "barset:skip" stuff, isn't it? I removed those yesterday because they were really messing up the timeline. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:28, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Oof, I guess. I'd just copy the code from Hector or some other basin crosser. I'm not too familiar with the timelines and their graphics. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 12:47, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Okay, I'll do that. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Merging/redirecting short articles

Hey there Chicdat. I noticed you unilaterally redirected a bunch of stub articles that were recently created. You claimed a bunch of them were not notable, but I'm not sure where you came to that conclusion. Most storms are notable enough to appear on Wikipedia in general. The question usually is whether there is enough information on the storm to sustain a separate article from the season. Most of the storms you redirected are perfectly fine stub articles, ones that might develop into full-fledged articles in the future. If it was a short-lived storm that lasted 12 hours over open waters, then sure, you could probably claim that it's not notable enough for its own separate article, but even then you'd have to be careful. Wikipedia works by collaboration, we're all building off each other's work, so when you redirect dozens of articles without any discussion, you might prevent these articles from being developed further in the future. Just a heads up. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 12:16, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Sure, okay. I'm sorry for merging those articles. It was because the user that created it, Typhoon No. 14, did create several inappropriate articles before then, so I just assumed that the others were, too. Sorry, 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
I get why you wanted to, it happens. You just need to look at every article on its individual merits. Calling a storm that killed 379 people "not notable" is a bit short-sighted. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 12:22, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
You're right. I just got a little... carried away. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:23, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Barnstar Janm 7 (talk) 08:13, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Why, thank you, Janm 7! It's true, I've done a bit of vandalism reversion lately, but I've been advised to mostly stay out of it. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 09:56, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Hurricane Laura

Vandalism has been reverted, and Janm 7 is encouraged to stop sending me messages. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 13:01, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

A person is repeatedly spoiling the article of Hurricane Laura Janm 7 (talk) 14:09, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

The vandalism has been reverted. Please stop sending me these messages. Thanks, 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 13:00, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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42nd edition of The Hurricane Herald!

Volume XLII, Issue 42, September 1, 2020
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The Hurricane Herald: September Edition!

The Hurricane Herald is the semi-regular newsletter of WikiProject Tropical Cyclones. The newsletter aims to provide in summary the recent activities and developments of the WikiProject, in addition to global tropical cyclone activity. The Hurricane Herald has been running since its first edition ran on June 4, 2006. If you wish to receive or discontinue subscription to this newsletter, please visit the mailing list. This issue of The Hurricane Herald covers all project related events from July 1–August 31, 2020. This edition's editors and authors are (alphabetically) Chicdat, Destroyeraa, Hurricanehink, Jason Rees, KN2731, Typhoon2013, & Weatherman27.

Please visit this page and bookmark any suggestions of interest to you. This will help improve the newsletter and other cyclone-related articles. Past editions can be viewed here.

WikiProject Tropical Cyclones: News & Developments

  • As we rapidly approach the 15th anniversary of the project in October, it has been proposed that the Climate, Tropical cyclone, Severe Weather, and Non-tropical storms (defunct) wikiprojects get merged into a single project: Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather. This brand new project would remove the overlap that exists between the projects. It provide us with a better opportunity to develop articles such as List of named storms A, B, C etc; Tornadoes in Fiji/New Zealand/Hawaii/etc; Floods in 2018, 2019, 2020, etc; Floods in Bangladesh/United States/Egypt, etc; Weather of 1997, 1998, 2020, etc; Weather in Tokelau/South Africa/France, etc; Hurricanes in the United States, Hurricanes in Mexico, Typhoons in China, etc. The discussion continues on WP:Meteorology. Any feedback would be appreciated.
  • There are now more than 1,000 distinct good articles in the project, as of June, when Tropical Storm Sanba (2018) passed its GAR. That doesn't include the articles rated A-class that also passed GA status. There are now 1,299 good or featured articles, which 47.1% of all articles in the project. 80 net more good articles are needed for half of the project to be good or featured.
  • There are more than 500 articles in the Western Pacific, as of July, when Yellow Evan (talk · contribs) created Tropical Storm Ofelia (1993) and Tropical Storm Percy (1993). The WPAC is the second basin to reach that milestone, after the Atlantic, which crossed that threshold in 2008. In fact, the WPAC is growing at a rate of 33 articles per year (since 2017), while the Atlantic is only growing at a rate of 13.6 articles per year (also since 2017). At that rate, the WPAC would surpass the Atlantic in number of articles in 15 years, when both basins would have about 1,000 articles. The EPAC would only have about 450 articles by that point. At the current rate, the entire WPTC would have 4,632 articles. For reference, there are 2727 articles in the WPTC at the moment, 2,185 of which are a storm/season/timeline article.
  • The intensity lists by basin are progressing. List of Category 1 Atlantic hurricanes is still under construction, and could use help adding storms from 1936 to 2014. The List of Eastern Pacific tropical storms could use help adding storms from 1949 to 1989. The List of typhoons is going to take some time, as the current plan is to list every recorded typhoon, and not separate it (like the other basins) by category. This is because JMA is the RSMC for the WPAC, and they don't publicly use super/violent typhoon. Most intensity lists are finished for the North Indian Ocean, excepting the proposed List of depressions and deep depressions within the North Indian Ocean. Australia is almost done, only needing List of Australian region tropical lows, and SPAC is done all the way down to List of South Pacific tropical disturbances and tropical depressions. SWIO has only lists for very intense and intense tropical cyclones, so it could use more help.
  • There is a discussion to merge the nearly 600 disambiguation/set index article into naming lists by letter, such as List of named storms (I), instead of Tropical Storm Ingrid. This would make sure that the pages are centralized, which would make updating and navigation easier.

New articles since the last newsletter include:

New GA's include:

Featured Content

From July 1 to present, two featured articles were promoted:

From the Main Page documents WikiProject related materials that have appeared on the main page from July 1–August 31, 2020 in chronological order.

Today's Featured Article/List

There is currently one featured article candidate:

WikiProject To-Do


Here are some tasks you can do:

2018 Featured Topic

Hurricane Noah recently announced an initiative to get a featured topic for the year of 2018 with complete subtopics. The Eastern Pacific portion is very close to achieving a featured topic, and the Atlantic and North Indian Ocean are around a B-class average. The Western Pacific, Southern Hemisphere, and the global article for 2018 need your help! A lot of work is needed to get those three items up to par. For more information on which articles need specifically, please check out the project talk page. Getting a featured topic for an entire year would be an impressive feat for our project.

Storms of the month over the last year
Month Storm
June 2020 Tropical Storm Cristobal (2020)
May 2020 Cyclone Amphan
April 2020 Cyclone Harold
March 2020 Cyclone Herold
February 2020 Cyclone Damien
January 2020 Cyclone Tino
December 2019 Cyclone Ambali
November 2019 Cyclone Bulbul
October 2019 Typhoon Hagibis
September 2019 Hurricane Dorian

Storm of the month and other tropical activity for July

Hurricane Isaias caused widespread flooding and wind damage to the East Coast of the United States, spawning a destructive tornado outbreak and killing at least 18 people. Forming from a tropical wave near the Lesser Antilles on July 30, Isaias crossed Puerto Rico, Hispaniola, and parts of the Bahamas, before making its final landfall in Ocean Isle Beach, North Carolina. The storm proceeded up the East Coast, spawning 37 tornadoes and causing more than 3 million power outages, with more than half of them in New Jersey. Overall, Isaias caused a total of $4.2 billion in damage and 18 fatalities.

  • Atlantic - there were five named storms in the North Atlantic in July, tying the record set by 2005. In addition to Isaias, the first storm of the month was Tropical Storm Edouard, which formed near Bermuda and moved quickly across the north Atlantic. A few days later, Tropical Storm Fay became the first storm to hit New Jersey since 2011. Fay caused 6 fatalities and $400 million in damage. Short-lived Tropical Storm Gonzalo threatened the southern Lesser Antilles, but it dissipated while crossing into the Caribbean Sea. Hurricane Hanna formed in the Gulf of Mexico and rapidly intensified as it made landfall in Padre Island, Texas. The storm caused $500 million in damage and 5 fatalities. There was also a short-lived tropical depression near Cabo Verde.
  • Eastern Pacific - Tropical Storm Cristina nearly reached hurricane intensity as it moved to the southwest of Mexico, affecting Socorro Island. After two short-lived tropical depressions, Hurricane Douglas became the basin's first hurricane on July 23, which was the fourth-latest on record. Douglas would go on to strengthen into the season's first major hurricane, briefly attaining Category 4 status before weakening as it passed north of Hawaii. Damage in Hawaii was minor.
  • Western Pacific - For the first time on record, there were no tropical storms or typhoons during the month of July in the western Pacific. There were two nondeveloping tropical depressions during the month, as well as two tropical depressions in late July that would reach peak intensity in August. Tropical Storm Sinlaku formed on July 31 and made landfall in Vietnam, causing significant flooding and killing 6 people. Typhoon Hagupit formed east of the Philippines and later made landfall in Wenzhou, China, killing 12 and causing more than ¥2.858 billion (US$411 million) in damage.

Member of the month (edition) – ChessEric

ChessEric first joined Wikipedia in April of this year, and has quickly become a prolific weather editor. In addition to his work on tornado and severe weather articles, ChessEric helped write the bulk of the Hurricane Laura article (the storm of the month), in addition to making sure the article stayed free of vandalism, with 224 edits to the article as of this newsletter. ChessEric was one of 190 editors who worked on the Laura article. We thank ChessEric for his edits, and hope we can build on more collaborations in the future between the severe and the tropical cyclone Wikiprojects.

New WikiProject Members since the last newsletter

More information can be found here. This list lists members who have joined/rejoined the WikiProject since the release of the last issue. Sorted chronologically.

To our new members: welcome to the project, and happy editing! Feel free to check the to-do list at the bottom right of the newsletter for things that you might want to work on. To our veteran members: thank you for your edits and your tireless contributions!

WPTC and WP:ITN, by Destroyeraa

A few weeks ago, I created an article, Hurricane Isaias, as it threatened much of the East Coast. I've created several articles already, but Isaias is one that stood out to me. First of all, it affected me, my town and my state of New Jersey, along with millions of other people. Two months ago, I learned about Wikipedia's In The News section of the main page, which documents recent events that are in the news. I nominated Isaias' article on August 1 here, and the discussion was closed quickly after Isaias had weakened significantly after impacting the Bahamas. As Isaias made landfall in the Carolinas, spawned 36+ tornadoes and killed 18 people, I re-nominated Isaias [1], got rejected again, and I learned a few lessons that I want to share to other editors:

When posting

  • If you post something that isn't in the news or isn't notable at all, then it would be quickly closed without much discussion.
  • Don't feel upset when someone opposes your nomination. It is almost guaranteed that someone will oppose your nomination.
  • Keep improving the article. An article that is a stub won't likely be posted.
  • When posting about a person, make sure the article complies with BLP policies, and is adequately referenced and well-written.

I also learned a few lessons about which tropical cyclones to post. In July, someone nominated Hurricane Hanna (2020) here, and it was also rejected because it didn't meet the notability requirements. Also, keep in mind that damage estimates and death reports often come out several days after the storm, which makes passing the nomination for a storm like Isaias, a storm that caused $4.2 billion and 18 deaths, somewhat hard.

My opinions on when to nominate an article (this list mainly refers to tropical cyclone articles)

  • The storm should affect more than two countries. However, if the storm causes a lot of death and destruction in one country (such as Tropical Storm Imelda), see the requirements below
  • The storm should cause more than $1 billion in damage. However, if the storm causes less destruction and less death, see the requirements below
  • The storm should cause at least 10 or 20 deaths. Most ITN nominations about a disaster that have less than 10 deaths are usually rejected/closed.
  • The storm should break at least 1 notable record (such as the deadliest storm to hit a country in 20 years, or something like that).

There is currently a discussion on the WPTC project page about this topic.

New user perspective on WPTC, By Weatherman27

Around six months ago, I joined Wikipedia after seeing many articles on tropical cyclones and their seasons. Being someone who has studied (and been through) multiple storms, I realized I could help make a difference, bring more attention to tropical cyclones and that Wikipedia was the perfect place to do that. Soon after, I came across the WikiProject Tropical cyclones page, and after seeing what they did, I decided to sign my name and join the project. I really enjoyed how they gave to-do lists of tropical cyclone pages that needed work among other things. One of the great things about this WikiProject is the warm welcome I received when I joined and I got to know some of the more veteran editors, and they really helped me get around on Wikipedia, such as helpful tips and great advice to make better edits. As I have become comfortable editing and helping other users, some things came to mind that I thought other new users should know when they join the WPTC:

  • If you are new and have questions, don't be afraid to ask someone. There are plenty of helpful editors who know what they are doing, and who would be happy to give some great tips to get you used to editing weather articles on Wikipedia.
  • Don't be afraid to start editing. You can edit tropical cyclone pages as much as you want, just make sure you use the proper sources and citations.
  • Be kind. It is simply the Golden Rule, if you use it, others will too.
  • If you see something wrong, do something! If you see vandalism or any strange edits, make sure you revert them.
  • Help improve. There are plenty of tropical cyclone articles that need improvement and we need all the help we can get.
  • If you have any ideas but you're not sure if they would be right for an article, you can discuss them with fellow users on a talk page.

I am sure I missed some tips, but these are important for getting started with WPTC. This WikiProject has some amazing people and articles and I am sure new users (and veteran users as well) enjoy this as much as I do and will continue to make great edits as well as informative articles.

Current assessment table

Assessments valid as of this printing. Depending on when you may be viewing this newsletter, the table may be outdated. See here for the latest, most up to date statistics.
As of this issue, there are 157 featured articles and 70 featured lists. There are 135 A-class articles, and 1,002 good articles. There are only 65 B-class articles, perhaps because because most articles of that quality already passed a GA review. There are 369 C-class articles, 736 start-class articles, and 151 stub-class articles, with 31 lists, and 8 current articles. These figures mean that slightly more than half of the project is rated a GA or better. Typhoon Warren was the 1000th GA in the project.

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Storm of the month and other tropical activity for August

Hurricane Laura tied the 1856 Last Island hurricane as the strongest hurricane ever recorded to make landfall in the U.S state of Louisiana, as measured by maximum sustained winds. It moved across the Lesser and Greater Antilles as a tropical storm, killing 35 people on the island of Hispaniola due to flooding and landslides. Laura rapidly intensified once it reached the Gulf of Mexico, becoming a powerful Category 4 hurricane on August 26 with peak winds of 150 mph (240 km/h) early the next day. On August 27, Laura made landfall near Cameron, Louisiana at peak intensity, producing wind gusts of 137 mph (220 km/h) in Lake Charles, and leaving at least $8 billion in damage. Overall, Laura killed more than 57 people, with more missing.

  • Atlantic - the basin continued its record pace of activity. In the middle of the month, Tropical Storm Josephine formed east of the Lesser Antilles and eventually dissipated north of the islands. Tropical Storm Kyle originated off the east coast of the United States and moved to the east-northeast. Hurricane Marco formed in the Caribbean and briefly strengthened into a minimal hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. For a few days, the NHC forecast back-to-back hurricane landfalls from Marco and Laura within two days of each other; however, Marco dissipated near the Louisiana coastline without causing significant damage. Toward the end of the month, Tropical Depression Fifteen formed off the southeastern United States.
  • Eastern Pacific - Hurricane Elida was the season's second hurricane, which brushed the Baja California Peninsula while moving northwestward. In the middle of the month, a series of storms formed, including a long-lived tropical depression, Tropical Storm Fausto, and Hurricane Genevieve, the last of which passed near the Baja California Peninsula. Genevieve killed two people, and its moisture spread into the southwestern United States. Toward the end of the month, Tropical Storm Hernan caused flooding and landslides in southwestern Mexico, and Iselle formed around the same time farther west over open water.
  • Western Pacific - after a quiet July, the basin became more active in August. Tropical Storm Jangmi brushed western Japan and South Korea with heavy rainfall. A short-lived tropical depression existed south of Japan. Severe Tropical Storm Mekkhala formed in the South China Sea and struck Guangdong, resulting in heavy rainfall and $154 million in damage. About a week later, Severe Tropical Storm Higos struck the same region, leaving eight deaths. Typhoon Bavi formed east of Taiwan and moved northward through the Yellow Sea, eventually striking North Korea, where it caused one fatality. Toward the end of the month, Typhoon Maysak formed east of Taiwan and followed a similar path to Bavi, becoming a powerful typhoon as it moved through the Ryukyu Islands. Another tropical depression formed between the Marianas Islands and Japan on August 31.

Project Goals & Progress

The following is the current progress on the three milestone goals set by the WikiProject as of this publishing. They can be found, updated, at the main WikiProject page.


Your administrative ban

Hey Chicdat

Do you still have an administrative ban? I believe you are experienced enough to ignore the ban, since Jasper Deng cannot block you (he's not an admin). Also, it will be helpful if you can warn disruptive editors or vandals again with Twinkle, as you reverted "good faith" edits on Hurricane Laura from an edit that was clearly disruptive made by an IP, saying that Laura caused 420 deaths without providing a source. I warned the IP for you. It's just that I believe that you know the policied better than 2 months ago, and you don't need to be forced under a ban.

Quick question. What does an administrative ban even do?

Stay safe, and have a nice day. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:05, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Destroyeraa: it's not a formal ban, rather strong advice to stay out of areas that require extensive policy/technical knowledge for the time being until they become more experienced. For what it's worth I feel such experience usually comes with creating content - most admin areas exist as a result of issues in the process of content creation, so getting familiar with writing and maintaining articles would make entering admin areas much smoother. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 15:46, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
@KN2731: Thanks for telling me. Stay safe. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:59, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
@Destroyeraa: It isn't a ban, as in it isn't listed at WP:Editing restrictions (unlike the real ban of Can I Log In), but, like, the admins told me if, say, I re-enable XFD closer and start relisting AfDs, then I will get a ban from admin areas. I can participate in them, but not a whole lot. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 09:59, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Well, that's not true. I can't participate in blocks/unblocks (unless I am the target of the block, which I sincerely hope never happens), I can't go to WP:AN or WP:ANI (again, unless the discussion is about me, which, again, I hope never happens), and I can't edit WP:RfA, and (my brain cerebrum hurts from all this thinking) I can't request advanced permissions (or not-so-advanced permissions, like rollback and PCR), and, most importantly of all, I can't relist or close AfD, RfD, FfD, CfD, TfD, or MfD discussions.

Wanna know why?

My Timeline of Disruption & Wikibreaks

🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:29, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Chicdat, that just plain sucks. For the Bbb23 barnstar disaster, I think that Bbb23 was rather rude towards you, probably after getting pissed off after admins removed his checkuser rights. But yeah, you did abuse some of your rights. However, I do think you should get back to using Twinkle or Huggle warning users about disruptive editing and vandalism. Also, you should report actual vandals to ANI or AIV. Just don't participate in XFD, that always has bad results for nominators. And don't give experienced users warnings, they get really pissed and may report you. And yeah, don't edit war. That may get you blocked. I hope you get back to administrative areas soon. Tread lightly, my friend. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:54, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I actually have been doing a little vandal reversion lately (User talk:2A02:C7F:766F:DE00:3996:60F5:9C19:CFEF) that was legitimate. You've given me an idea. In a few days I'm going on a short vacation. Once I'm back, I'll ask the admins to lift part of the administrative restriction so I can enable RedWarn, which is the new Huggle. Thanks, 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 09:59, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Re: Invite to join WikiProject Tropical cyclones!

Hey Chicdat, thanks for your response to my question regarding the WikiProject Tropical cyclones that I had asked on Destroyeraa's talk page. I have a few more questions before deciding to join. I am a bit confused about some of the requested tasks and goals as there doesn't seem to be a lot of detailed explanation but I did take a look at the to do list and found this one appealing:

"Provide verification for the number of deaths caused by tropical cyclones in recorded human history, organized and cross-referenced by storm intensity (eg. C5 Atl hurricanes), season (eg. 1997 Pacific hurricane season) or location (eg. List of Hawaii hurricanes)"

I would be able to contribute to this task every now and then. My question is do I need to report or make a note somewhere every time I update/verify the number of deaths for a certain hurricane? If so then how and where do I need to do this? Also when the task asks for organizing and cross-referencing does that mean I need to make sure other hurricane related pages that reference that particular hurricane are also updated with this latest information? If so then how can I find out all the pages that make a reference to that hurricane and its fatalities number? Hurricane21 (talk) 16:41, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

@Hurricane21: Sorry for not replying, I was pretty busy yesterday. I'm glad that you find a task appealing. However, there is no guideline that states you must stick to a task and do it thoroughly. Most editors just grammar-check storm articles or simply update wind speeds, damage, and deaths. You should probably make a note in the edit summary every time you update deaths, like you're doing perfectly now. Yes, if new info is found, you should update the season article. You're doing very well on this task, keep up the good work! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:09, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Alright then in that case I will go ahead and join the project. Thanks again for the information. Hurricane21 (talk) 18:12, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
You're welcome! 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:01, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Timeline of the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Timeline of the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. CodingCyclone (talk) 20:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Article

Can you please make tropical storm noul (2020) page? Dannisom (talk) 22:01, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

There's something on Wikipedia called the general notability guideline. It says that if an article isn't notable, then it could be deleted. I'm not the person who decides the rules of Wikipedia. If you want there to be an article, propose it on the talk page. If many people want the article to be created, then do it! Also, in the meantime, try working on the Noul article at Draft:Tropical Storm Noul (2020). Thanks for the question, 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:54, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Question

How do I become part of the WPTC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JackGordean (talk • contribs) 21:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, JackGordean! To become part of WPTC, just add your name here, but, before you join, I've noticed that you only have two edits. New users might not know Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, so please read them before joining. However, when you're ready, then do it! We are in need of new editors, and the best ones are almost always the ones that are eager to join in from the start! 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:18, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

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