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EyeLAshout Entertainment Network


I am an avid fan along with many others that have begun to work for free in this organization called EyeLAshout, I have found out that you/wikipedia have deleted EyeLAshout along with various members of the entertainment group, though not completely famous, are worthy of some recognition. Including Kevin McPherson who has a notable position as bass player in Ghost of the Robot, emily osment band and demi lovato to anme a few, performing on both recent jonas brothers tours and also Charlie De Mars one of the founders of EyeLAshout and various musical groups. EyeLAshout is a member of ASCAP, is a label partner with iTunes and amazon and has worked as a production design firm for many national commercial adds including the first ever bi lingual super bowl ad in 2006. I have an opportunity to provide complete profiles with exact facts on all the information on EyeLAshout, it's artists, film and musical projects and want to know the best way to not upset the wikipedia monitors or waste both our time. Please let me know. thank you.

-Morty — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msteinstein (talkcontribs) 22:15, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

The article did not indicate how the subject is notable per Wikipedia's standards. Please see WP:N for more information. ... discospinster talk 23:50, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Greg Hampton

Hi, I just created a new page re: music producer/musician Greg Hampton (which was deleted a few years back).

As of now, it's being listed as "Greg hampton" (note the lower case h at the beginning of his name). How can I get it changed to an upper case H?

Thanks, Gregp22 (talk) 13:05, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

You would use the move function to correct the spelling. Hover over the down-pointing arrow at the top of the page, and chose "move". Then type in the correct capitalization, and add a short explanation in the text box. Then click "Move page". It will move the article and its history to the new name, and it will leave a redirect from the old name. ... discospinster talk 17:14, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Phi Gamma Delta

Walls Within Walls

About it not being notable, it is a book published by a major publishing company, on the amazon page Amazon There are reviews by school library journal and booklist both well respected reviewers. If you need anything else let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockyroadster555 (talkcontribs) 00:39, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

These reviews (specifically references to them) are the sorts of things that should be in the article itself. ... discospinster talk 01:01, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

RE: walls within Walls

Not sure how to reply to your comment. I have not been able to find the reviews separately from amazon. Amazon is linked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockyroadster555 (talkcontribs) 01:10, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

In that case you should make it clear in the article that the reviews are located there, otherwise the link might be removed because it points to a commercial vendor. (Normally instead of Amazon links, the article will have an ISBN that will link to a book source page.) ... discospinster talk 03:18, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Obama Bin Laden

Hi! 1. There's already a redirects for discussion going on at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2011_May_2#Obama_bin_Laden 2. Recently a Fox News affiliate used that typo, and now many news media outlets around the world are discussing it (see the links) WhisperToMe (talk) 00:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not disputing that it could be a redirect, but I don't think it could sustain a full article, hence the prod. ... discospinster talk 00:45, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
I had started it as a redirect. I guess the person who re-started it didn't want it to be a full redirect yet. Anyway, i'm waiting on the outcome of the RFD. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:03, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

acara deletion

Acara is pretty well known... member Jacob Isim was in High Times, featured on the tonight show, and has been cited by the Amarillo Globe News, Channels 3, 7, 10, 27, and 33 many times on air, facebook, and websites. I've got articles talking about them on the today (which was blacklisted?) so when I was looking for other ways to cite the group I was suprised it got deleted. Can you put it back or maybe help me make a suitable page for their cause? They walk a thin line protecting freedom of speech and religion without treading on others rights.

If you are familiar with the Quran burning Terry Jones you may know that he's coming to Amarillo and showing down with none other than ACARA this Mother's Day. Their KKK rally intends on sending an anti-Islam message internationally and will get more people killed than the last time since Bin Laden was just assassinated... last time a couple of UN Peace keeping women were beheaded and a dozen more UN Peace Keepers were killed when the extremists responded to the Quran burning. The tension in the middle east is palpable which is only kicking Terry Jones and David Grisham (Repent Amarillo) into high gear.

Like I said the people ACARA are opposing want to start a war and will cost many people their lives for the sake of their own grandstanding. ACARA is well documented. ACARA is well known. And ACARA needs all the help it can get to help bury the anti-Islamic messages under the GOOD efforts of American citizens or the radical Moslems will say this is what all American's are like.

Thanks in advance for understanding the gravity of the situation.... Walter Willis (806)367-4570 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Willis4play (talkcontribs) 03:57, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

The best way to proceed would be to start the article in your name space (User:Willis4play/ACARA) so it won't get deleted. Please look at WP:YFA to get an idea of what an article should and should not contain. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is not here to advance any particular ideals, no matter how noble they might be. The article is not supposed to be a vehicle to get your message across; it should be a neutral description of the group accompanied by reliable outside sources. ... discospinster talk 04:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I understand and thank you your quick response. The cause is noble yet I am being fair... It's hard to not go on about how bad the Repent Amarillo folks are and to always take the high road but I have done like you suggested. There are a ton of citations I'm finding online that are acceptable except for some youtube (video proof) and articles (not spam pieces). Would you be able to white list them if I added them. The examiner articles are extremely well cited and have links to every piece of information cited or I wouldn't bother asking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Willis4play (talkcontribs) 04:36, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Linda Avey

The page about Linda Avey was deleted because of lack of significance of a real person. Linda Avey, however is a relatively important person. She is the co-founder of the personal genomics program 23andme based from Mountain View, CA. She is the business partner of Google's co-founder's wife. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:06, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

The page was created almost three years ago, and it didn't indicate how she was notable by Wikipedia's criteria. If it hadn't been deleted it could have probably been made into a redirect to the company name, but it wasn't enough at the time. ... discospinster talk 16:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Berkeley Student Food Collective

Hello Discospinster. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Berkeley Student Food Collective, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: There is sufficient context to identify the subject of the article. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 06:18, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Environment-related papers being posted to Wikipedia

I noticed you recently PRODed Sustainable Urban Neighbourhood and Eco-localisation. I've also identified another similar article created today, Command and control regulation, which I started an AfD discussion about. Given these comments by the latter article's author, I believe these articles and others were written as part of a misguided school project that encouraged students to post urban-environmental essays on Wikipedia which were mostly made up of original research and synthesis. Not sure if there's anything that can be done about identifying the rest, but I thought I would alert an administrator. Singularity42 (talk) 03:58, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I've noticed as well the slew of eco-essays being posted. I feel bad about trying to get rid of them because they're obviously well-written and a lot of work has been put into formatting them... on the other hand, Wikipedia is not SSRN. I'm not sure what to do about it, maybe say something on the Administrator's Noticeboard, or lump them into an AfD? ... discospinster talk 18:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm wondering if the answer might be to move them into the authors' userspace, suggest that it needs to be re-written as an encylopediac article rather than an essay or term paper (which for some of the topics, may be impossible), and see if the teacher behind it would be willing to make an account and be referred to WP:SUP? I tried to start a dialogue with one of the authors here, but I'm not sure if there will be any answers. Perhaps it should be raised at WP:Articles for deletion/Command and control regulation? Or raise it at the talk page of WP:SUP?Singularity42 (talk) 18:27, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
I think moving it to user space is a good idea. I'll have a closer look at WP:SUP and see if there are any pointers there. ... discospinster talk 19:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


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An article you nominated for CSD... now up for deletion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Global Playboys. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 05:15, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Dr. Walid Fitaihi Article

Dear Discospinster,

This is Basma Alkhadra, I wrote Dr. Walid Fitaihi Article , his famous & public figure in Saudi Arabia In addition , he has article in Arabic language [1] وليد بن أحمد بن حسن فتيحي so i assume i should write an article in English Wikipedia to be easier for the reader to find him & i read an article Dr. Waleed Fitihi, it is orphan & first of all not his right name ..

if you want from me to make a new one without word Dr. in the beginning of the subject ..i will do ..please guide me .. Thanks a lot :) Basmah83 (talk) 10:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:UCSD Kubiak "chinaman" issue

Hi, could you delete this page and, assuming it's possible, take a step to make sure it is not recreated? There is apparently a web campaign over this. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 02:20, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I've deleted it again, but I don't know if salting it would solve the problem, since it could be recreated under so many different names. I've added this one to my watchlist at least, and I'll keep my eye on the editors responsible. ... discospinster talk 02:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Is this something you are watching for? Singularity42 (talk) 15:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
That one's actually not as bad as the previous incarnations; it at least doesn't claim that he was the one who wrote it. It's got some reliable sources. I'm still not sure of the notability because the sources are all local. Maybe it needs to be sent to AfD for a more widespread discussion? ... discospinster talk 15:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

UCSD Kubiak "chinaman" issue BLP recreations


Thanks for staying on top of this article!

I have absolutely no involvement in this issue other than having seen it vanishing and re-appearing in the CSD queue, and having tagged the latest incarnation for G10, but the repeated attempts to recreate this article or to introduce the content in different ways (Clifford Kubiak, Clifford Kubiak's Lab Rules) does have the odor of a personal attack, particularly given that the text claims that Kubiak added the offensive content himself, which none of the sources claim. The contribution histories of the users involved also suggest that they may not be entirely unconnected with each other.

Is there any action you might be able to take to prevent recreation? As a non-admin I'm not clear on whether this would be an appropriate situation for salting, or if a "delete" AfD is usually needed for that (though it looks like there will be one of those too soon enough).


Thparkth (talk) 02:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Of course, now I see the section above on your talkpage ;) Thparkth (talk) 02:41, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
For your information, there is apparently a Chinese-language web campaign against this guy suggesting people use a form letter [2] and visit wikipedia to promote the cause. μηδείς (talk) 03:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Why did you delete the page UCSD Kubiak "chinaman" issue

Are you ready to take full responsibility by doing so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I deleted it because it was a page that disparaged a living individual without providing reliable sources that verified the claims. ... discospinster talk 17:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
this is the evidence, the guy admited himself--Yeahsoo (talk) 22:22, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Nowhere did he "admit" that he wrote the offending list. He only said that it existed and that he accepts responsibility as the supervisor. There is no evidence anywhere that he did in fact write the racist comment. In an American or Canadian court of law, this would be what is known as "reasonable doubt". In Wikipedia, it is grounds for deleting an article that claims that he did make the racist comment. ... discospinster talk 22:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
you can say he did not personally write it, but he as the leader of the department, were not aware of the page in the barely 3-4 pages of the lab site? He as the leader, will have to take that responsibility and face the result. At least, this is about the event, this event happened, and is important to big group of people, there is no reason to deleted it entirely, you may request to modify it, say there is no direct evidence that the guy wrote it, so the words should be appropriate. But delete the whole article do not make sense, this is about the event of truth, not something about "biography of living persons", and for racist comments on a living person, pls check Mel_Gibson's wiki,[3], you may want to delete those as well? --Yeahsoo (talk) 23:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia's biography of living persons policy states: "If the entire page is substantially of poor quality, primarily containing contentious material that is unsourced or poorly sourced, then it may be necessary to delete the entire page as an initial step, followed by discussion." There was nothing in the first two versions of the article that would be useful to save. It would have to be recreated from the ground up, which it was, and I did not delete that particular article.
You say "this is about the [...] truth, not something about 'biography of living persons'". I respectfully disagree. Per Wikipedia's verifiability policy: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth — whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true."
I have said everything I care to say on this subject, and I'm not going to discuss it any further. If you have more to say, please join the discussion at the noticeboard. ... discospinster talk 23:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
you are probably right about the term of truth, or fact, but it is more like looking for typos than reasoning, but I am fine not to wasting time arguing, noticeboard is a better place. Again, reasoning is welcome, but do not deleting comments, that sounds like pretend it didn't happen,especially for an editor.--Yeahsoo (talk) 00:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Many media including the largest Chinese-language infotainment web portal in the world has reported this incident.

I want to let you know the notability of this article. US senator also commented on this incident. So, please use your administration right properly. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Respecteveryone (talkcontribs) 18:23, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I repeat that the article was disparaging of a living individual by implying that he had written the offending list, but did not point to any proof that he did so. Part of my role as an administrator is to handle such incidents, and deleting the article is consistent with Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons. If you have any evidence that I have misused my administration right, I invite you to present it. ... discospinster talk 19:13, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Please see where the article indicated that the words wrote by the professor.

I mean this one. You mentioned in your talk with another guy about the notability of this incident. This is the point of our talk. Okay.

Citation. That one's actually not as bad as the previous incarnations; it at least doesn't claim that he was the one who wrote it. It's got some reliable sources. I'm still not sure of the notability because the sources are all local. Maybe it needs to be sent to AfD for a more widespread discussion? ... discospinster talk 15:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I haven't deleted anything from that article, so I'm not sure what your concern is. I said I wasn't sure if it was notable, which has nothing to do with being an administrator. ... discospinster talk 19:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I want to thank you for your neutral position in this article. However, there are some guys here really don't respect others working. Sadly, this article was deleted without detailed explanation. Don't be the judge. (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:48, 25 May 2011 (UTC).


Why dobnt You correct the Greek version .Some vandals like You did the same vandalism getting out all the commonable categories like greek art,music,literature take a look and see it. greek — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I haven't a clue what this refers to. ... discospinster talk 19:23, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Please keep the page!!!

It is important and significant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

It's already been recreated at UCSD Kubiak Lab Rules Incident. Please do pay attention. ... discospinster talk 19:46, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

it is something important and significant!

it is something important and significant! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:20, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

ANI re web campaign

You should be aware of this ANI report I have created.

You may also be interested to learn you are subject of discussion here:

μηδείς (talk) 00:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. ... discospinster talk 00:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Here is the report: μηδείς (talk) 01:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


Antiflame-barnstar.png The Anti-Flame Barnstar
For grace under fire in a situation not of your making. This is the way admins should do it. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 04:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate it. ... discospinster talk 04:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree you've handled things quite well. Nice job. — Satori Son 18:41, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


Hi Discospinster, I was wondering why you had deleated my "HireClix" page. It would be great if you could let me know what the differance is between the page that I created for HireClix and that of a similar company, Benerard Hodes Group, that is one of our competitors? I really would like to get HireClix up here so that people get reference wikipedia if they are looking for background on our company. I had sources for everything that I had written and I just wanted to know where I was striking out. Some of the sources were even really industry specific preiodicals, etc. I looked at all of the material that you have on wikipedia about writing articles and I didn't know what in my article violated your policy. I'd love it if you could get back to me when you get a chance. Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abrosch (talkcontribs) 12:46, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

There were a couple of reasons it was deleted. One is that it was written in a very promotional manner. For example, "The company provides serivices to help corporate recruiting teams, staffing firms, and other businesses get results by delivering customized recruitment marketing campaigns, leveraging search engine optimization, pay-per-click recruiting, targeted interactive advertising, email marketing and social media." That's something that would be found in a press release, not an encyclopedia, which is supposed to be neutral. Secondly it did not specify how the company is notable by Wikipedia's criteria. The sources given were either from the company's own web page, a press release, or an article that mentioned the company in passing. The Bernard Hodes Group article has been nominated for deletion for basically the same reasons. I would suggest that if you want to work on the article without fear of it being deleted, you should start it in your user space at User:Abrosch/HireClix. ... discospinster talk 15:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

you deleted this part for no reason, pls do not pretend no one comments ok, this is not disparage this is just disageement.

I believe there is screen shot and the guy and the college apologized for some extend, which means he admitted. But you still insist there is no evidence? Even real police or judge won't act that way. I doubt your neutral position as a wiki user.

"I doubt your neutral position as a wiki user" is disparaging if you don't have any reason for saying so. There seems to be a lot of that going around. ... discospinster talk 22:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Economic crisis of Ireland

Hi Discospinster - you had PRODded Economic crisis of Ireland as original research/personal essay (correctly, in my opinion), and the creator of that article deleted the PROD tag without really addressing the underlying issue. Because of your past interest in the article, I just thought I would point out to you that I proposed that Economic crisis of Ireland be merged into 2008–2011 Irish financial crisis, in case you wanted to offer an opinion in the discussion. (I didn't take it to AFD because I think, if nothing else, "Economic crisis of Ireland" is valuable as a redirect.) Cheers, --Dawn Bard (talk) 02:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Oil spill governance in the United States

As a courtesy, I should like to inform you that I have declined the Prod that you placed, for the reason given in my edit summary, and moved the article to this new title. TerriersFan (talk) 22:21, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Vallum: New International Poetics

Hey Discospinster, sorry to disagree with you. Please feel free to send it to AfD. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm surprised that you don't think the article is promotional. It has three paragraphs, one of which is "Vallum publishes poetry that is sharp, engaging and exciting. It pushes boundaries and invites the exploration of different worlds and perspectives. In addition to the poetic contributions are essays, interviews, book reviews and stimulating visual art." I'm not sure how much more promotional an article can get. ... discospinster talk 03:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Apart from which, it's a copyright violation of ... discospinster talk 03:42, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing out the copyvio. It's gone. As for promotion--I didn't think it was entirely promotional, and with a decent (not "fundamental") rewrite it could have looked like a real article (not that I think it was a notable magazine at all--I found no proof of that). Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:45, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
  • OK, how about this, Jollibee Kids Workshop. Most of it unclear and poorly written, only the last paragraph very non-neutral. Would you tag that as promotional? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:01, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
    • I had already deleted it for that very reason. :-) Generally, my rule of thumb is, if the text looks more like it comes from a sales brochure than an encyclopedia, it's promotional. I'm pretty intolerant of advertising on Wikipedia, although other editors might be more relaxed about it. I figure the author can always try again. ... discospinster talk 14:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
      • I think that in general I'm of your mind (I don't think I've ever disagreed with you, until last week), but now that I'm wearing this new t-shirt I'm inclined to try and see the best in everything. Thanks for your note, Drmies (talk) 14:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
        • Oh I see you've just been elected administrator. Congratulations! Yes, some editors do change their opinions somewhat once they have the ability to actually delete articles and block people! ... discospinster talk 14:21, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
          • And I noticed you didn't !vote for me. Did you not get the flowers and chocolate I sent you? What kind of place is this? Drmies (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
            • Er, they must have got lost in the mail. Anyway, I generally don't participate in admin decisions because I'd probably !vote yes to everybody. ... discospinster talk 16:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

<--So you're an article deletionist, but an admin inclusionist. Hey, happy editing. Drmies (talk) 19:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Sebastian Carlsén

IS playing for the U-21 squad considered the players pro debut, or not?? I can not find any guidelines that says yay, or nay VsanoJ (talk) 18:45, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

According to WP:ATHLETE, a notable footballer has to have played for "any officially sanctioned senior international competition". The article doesn't even specify whether he played for the national team, only that he was selected. If this is the game that you're referring to, it was a friendly, so again I don't know if that would be considered part of the competition anyway. ... discospinster talk 23:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Akagami: Otokotachi ha kôshite senjô he okurareta page

I noticed that my page regarding this book is tagged for deletion and I am confused to why. This book was groundbreaking in Japan, as there was little material published about akagami, call-up papers. This book focuses on a man Debun Shigenobu, who is essential to the author's research, as if it weren't for him disobeying direct orders to incinerate all documents pertaining to the Japanese Military, there would be no documents regarding how the Japanese Military drafted gained information on and drafted people. Debun Shigenobu has been mentioned in other titles, including Japan At War: An Oral History by Theodore and Haruko Cook (used at Universities). Please tell me why this would not meet the requirements?

Best — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polgianman (talkcontribs) 20:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

If the book was groundbreaking (in what way?), then there should be some reliable sources to back up that claim. Unfortunately there are none supplied in the article, and a Google search did not give any helpful information. ... discospinster talk 23:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

RE: Akagami

This book is the only book that actually exposes primary military documents dealing with akagami. The man who saved these documents is quoted through verifiable source. Look up "Debun Shigenobu" in Japan at War: An Oral History. Akagami is even cited on a Japenese wiki page, as this book is a one of a kind for this information, or can't you read Japanese? Which may be the reason you are not finding any sources. If you need help with this, I would be willing. This book was also written with help from NHK, Japan National Broadcasting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polgianman (talkcontribs) 02:11, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I know that it's mentioned on the Japanese Wikipedia page, but wiki sites are not reliable sources. I looked up the Japanese version of the title and author on Google and was not able to find reliable, third-party sources that significantly discuss the book. I found some blogs and some booksellers. If you know of such sources, then you should put them in the article. ... discospinster talk 02:37, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

List of British Kingdoms

Redirects work well :) CTJF83 00:04, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

True enough. I just couldn't decide what it should redirect to, since Countries of the United Kingdom only relates to England, Scotland, Wales, and N. Ireland, and none of them are "kingdoms" in and of themselves... or maybe I'm overthinking it... ... discospinster talk 00:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
LOL, an American, it all sounds the same to me. :) CTJF83 03:35, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


Could you please delete the article J-Pimp (Prince Joél I) that duplicates J-Pimp (Rapper). mauchoeagle (c) 02:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for letting me know; this guy is persistent. ... discospinster talk 02:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Khalifah Whitner

I have not finished my page I just started , so why would my page be deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kojima K (talkcontribs) 02:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

The article did not indicate how the subject is notable by Wikipedia's criteria. Please see WP:N for more information. If you'd like to work on the article without fear that it will be deleted before you are finished, you can start it in your article space at User:Kojima K/Khalifah Whitner. WP:Your first article gives a lot of good tips on creating an article. ... discospinster talk 02:25, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


Could you please tell me if the article Utah gubernatorial election, 1996 is eligible for deletion? mauchoeagle (c) 03:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I think it's OK now that it has more information in the infobox. State elections are usually notable, and the text will probably be filled in over time. ... discospinster talk 04:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! TerriersFan (talk) 03:28, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Have a look at Radio Ga Ga edits

Edits from User Dchrnko and a couple IP addresses. Continually removed material, and now an IP continually puts material in. Swedish administrator Sjo suspects a sock.MusoForde (talk) 02:11, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Apparently it's been taken care of and the user blocked. ... discospinster talk 17:01, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Andrew Powell (Author)

I've marked this article for speedy deletion since it's a duplicate article of Andrew Powell (author). –BuickCenturyDriver 00:57, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Marking as Patrolled

Hello there Discospinster. Just a little request. It seems that Twinkle, quite annoyingly, doesn't mark pages as patrolled even when you tag them for WP:CSD, WP:PROD or WP:AFD. I've just come across an article, Austin wells that you'd tagged for WP:CSD on the unpatrolled list. I'm sure you already know, but if you scroll down to the bottom of the article, there will be a little link in square brackets that says mark this page as patrolled. If you click that the it'll get taken off the unpatrolled list and no-one else will come across it. It's not your fault, I know; it's Twinkle's. But until they fix it, it'd be great if you clicked that link just before you tagged an article. I've marked that one as patrolled. Sorry to be a pain. Keep up the good work. Fly by Night (talk) 23:39, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Will do. ... discospinster talk 23:41, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Tyler Marchand

I have one of the web pages referenced below but I am still not comprehending how to reference it the correct way. Would you mind taking the time to help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiteam6 (talkcontribs) 00:28, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

What is the web page and what is it referencing? ... discospinster talk 00:34, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

About Tyler Marchand

The web page is the official page for Marchand Northwest and it explains who he is. I also have a bunch from The International Air Cargo Association. Amongst others I'm just locating them all. I keep getting a speedy delete when I am f=doing this on my free time I cant just get it all done in such a small time frame? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiteam6 (talkcontribs) 00:43, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Userfying a copyvio?

Just wondering why you userfied a clear copyvio at User:MiloStevens/Farida Sharan. Isn't it policy and practice to delete clear copyvios on sight? – ukexpat (talk) 15:50, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

The user said that s/he was using the copied text as a guide to re-writing it, so I gave him/her the benefit of the doubt. I am keeping my eye on it, but if it should be deleted I'm OK with that. ... discospinster talk 15:56, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

20 Minute Loop

Hello. This is just a heads up that I've declined the speedy on this article as I feel there is a claim of significance or importance. I saw your rationale that claims to notability must be supported but avoiding CSD A7 doesn't require reliable sources. Thanks.--v/r - TP 20:58, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Your deletion of 1 Information

CSD A7 was not applicable to this article. The subject of the article was the regeneration of Salford Quays and/or a PhD thesis about that subject (A7 specifically says that it does not apply to books, and I would have thought that a thesis was a book for this purpose). The only CSD criteria that I can think of that might have applied was A10.James500 (talk) 17:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Wallyjenkins' web browser

Hello Discospinster. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Wallyjenkins' web browser, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 cannot be applied to software. Thank you. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 05:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Tyler Marchand

OK Thank you I will continue to work on it :)

Wikiteam6 (talk)

Jacob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiteam6 (talkcontribs) 22:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

New articles User:AlexNewArtBot/URBLPNTSearchResult

Hi, I noticed you have been involved in AFD/PRODs of some newly created articles. I have created ongoing list(updated with User:TedderBot) of potential BLPs that may by suitable for CSD/BLP PROD/PROD/AFD type cleanup. Current results are found at User:AlexNewArtBot/URBLPNTSearchResult. The process uses a cached copy of articles on toolserve, so could be article has been updated since database checked, but still most useful tool for checking. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 10:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for the tip on "moving" an article. All the best. Peter (talk)

Robert Peralta Article

Hello, well my article has the sherdog number, but what else do i need? If i do try to reference it, my article just goes completely wack! please help me???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AaronBok (talkcontribs) 04:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

The procedure for adding references can be found at WP:CITE. Basically you would put the reference between these tags: <ref>Reference goes here</ref>. Then at the end of the article you would place the code {{reflist}}. You seem to be missing the closing tag in your previous attempts. ... discospinster talk 04:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Robert Peralta Article Fixed!!!!

I fixed my article!!! I have a reference!!! can you please not delete my article? I have it!! Its from Sherdog and it's there at the infobox! Please Don't take down my article!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AaronBok (talkcontribs) 04:26, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I've taken down the deletion notice because there is now a reference. But I also put in a tag that asks for improved references. If you can find things like newspaper articles or significant mentions of him from reliable sources, that will help to improve the article. ... discospinster talk 04:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


Good morning Sir,

I don't understand why you want to delete my article.

All info are true and verified.

Thank you to let me know.

Jeancarlier (talk) 04:51, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

For a Wikipedia article, the information has to be more than just true and verified. It has to show how the subject is notable by Wikipedia's criteria. So there has to be coverage of the company in other sources such as newspapers or magazines, but I didn't find anything like that when I searched your company on Google. If you can supply such references in the article, that would help to prevent it being deleted. ... discospinster talk 15:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

The Chemistry of Large Metal Cluster Ions of the Type M(I)8M(II)6L12X -- A Review

I need help starting a draft of a review of an area of chemistry which I was heavily involved with during my career. In the year 2007 I presented an invited paper at an international meeting of chemists in Lima Peru, and the substance of that review is what I want to present here (what was placed on my user sub-page was a DRAFT; it was never actually published as far as I know). The review cites an interesting area of inorganic chemistry that may have biomedical applications, and it is worthy of a review. The material is referenced to the appropriate primary scientific literature.

I could supply text that is internally hyperlinked.

How could there be copyright violations? The figures were my own creations in the first place (!), and they are found in the primary literature citations. The article that you saw on that webpage is a draft, which I left with the symposium coordinator while I was in Lima Peru to present the paper. Apparently, he didn't do anything with it.

So I placed a draft of the review on a Wilipedia user subpage (of my own, Jrwright72626), and it was removed for "copyright infringement." Was it because you thought it was a paper that the Peruvian Chemical Society actually published? Or was it removed because of the figures? I was the originating author of the eleven figures selected for the review (or maybe I should use the word "overview") -- I actually drew them for some of those journal submissions cited in the primary literature. And I was either the primary PI or the research program director in charge (depending on the time frame) who was receiving National Institutes of Health funding to do the reported research. You should note that I almost always put my name last in the scientific papers that I published; my students were first.

What am I missing here? Insofar as I can tell, the Peruvian Chemical Society never published the material. Years after the meeting the contact in Lima did not have the courtesy to answer my letters one way or the other, and I can't think of any other instance in my career where a reprint of a symposium presentation was not sent to an author. I have to believe that the work was never published. So how could there be a copyright violation? I could strike most of the figures (though some were never published anywhere), but that would make the review less interesting.

As a side note, I detected quite a bit of hostility toward Americans at the Lima meeting. A Peruvian scientist who lived in the United States until he retired, one who knew of my work, got me on the invited list and even insisted on paying my travel to and from Lima. I know that the attitude that I ran into disappointed him (he witnessed it), because he was trying to encourage a spirit of international cooperation. My own attempts at diplomacy were futile.

John R. Wright — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrwright72626 (talkcontribs) 12:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello Prof. Wright. If the text and figures that were in the Wikipedia article were your own (whether or not it's been published elsewhere), you own the copyright and you would have to give Wikipedia specific permission to use them. Wikipedia licenses all of its text under the Creative Commons license (attribution, share-alike), which means that anything in the article can then be used by anyone else. So you would have to license your academic article under the same copyright license so that Wikipedia could use it. It's all explained here, along with the procedure for giving persmission: Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials.
However, even if you do that, the article would probably still be deleted because it's original research and synthesis of ideas, which is not suitable for Wikipedia. It could be useful for a sister project such as Wikisource ( It could be suitable for an open access academic repository such as SSRN-type site for hard science (perhaps arXiv or CiteSeerX, although I'm afraid I'm not familiar with your subject matter, so you should probably ask your academic librarian).
As for your experience in Lima, I'm sorry that you were subjected to anti-American sentiment. Hopefully it was an isolated incident. ... discospinster talk 16:11, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi Discospinster

You recently deleted a page I created for the Australian Roleplaying convention 'Eyecon' citing that it did not indicate the importance or significance of the subject. I should have made it clearer that Eyecon is the largest roleplaying convention in Sydney and is the second largest in Australia (only Arcanacon is larger). It is also soon to be the home of the Australian Munchkin championships (Muchkin is a very popular game and this information which significant to gamers)Could you please restore the page and I will amend the page to highlight the significance.

As further evidence Eyecon is a larger event than all of the Australian conventions listed on this page ( other than Arcanacon (and only by a small margin - the increase in numbers at Eyecon over the last two years suggests it may soon overtake Arcanacon). This is what prompted me to create the page as smaller, minor conventions have their own pages but Eyecon and Sydcon, two of the largest conventions in the country do not.

Thank you for your time — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukestrotz (talkcontribs) 06:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

The claims of being the largest RP convention in Sydney and the second-largest in Australia may be true, and would probably make the convention notable, but they also need reliable sources to back them up, along with other significant mentions in independent sources. Likewise, being the home of the Munchkin Championships might be significant to gamers, but it should also have attracted media attention. What other conventions have articles that you feel are smaller and more minor? I could take a look at them as well. A good way to work on an article without fear that it will be unduly deleted is to start a draft in your userspace, e.g. at User:Lukestrotz/Eyecon.... discospinster talk 14:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Getting independent sources for a roleplaying convention is difficult. Media just don't report on roleplaying and certainly not on the web (There were a couple of articles in the local paper - i'm not sure if you have an equivalent overseas but they're small enough they don't have a web presence) and most of the info comes from blogs and forums at best (which are ephemeral). The convention does have a website ( but obviously that's not independent. Also the convention is fairly new (only 4 years old) so it's not well known outside of the Sydney gaming community (one reason to put it on wikipedia). What strikes me as inconsistent is that the following pages for Australian conventions have no supporting material (and certainly no media mentions) and yet these pages are up and have been so for some time

To be honest, there is no way I could ever provide a media source (the chances of Eyecon ever being covered are slim no matter how big it is - it's pretty niche) and if you are going to insist on that then an article for Eyecon would never be possible, even if it had a thousand attendees. I also point you to the rules for A7 (the clause you used for deletion - the criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines

So by that logic and given the pages for other conventions that already exist, my Eyecon page should be perfectly valid as long as make a 'credible claim' of significance or importance - which I have (largest roleplaying convention in Sydney - if you'd like me to send you proof, I could get the organisers to send you an excel spreadsheet with attendees names (over 250) but that seems a bit extreme). — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:52, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukestrotz (talkcontribs) 06:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia (not me personally) does insist on media sources to back up claims of notability; the guideline page at WP:N states: "Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article." Even if the article wasn't speedy deleted, it would likely be deleted by some other mechanism because the subject is not significantly covered elsewhere. A list of attendees wouldn't really help since it's not an independent source and we would have nothing to compare it to. It is listed as an item in the article List of gaming conventions but without outside coverage there's a slim chance a separate article would survive. ... discospinster talk 03:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
As for the three other articles you listed above, I have nominated each of them for deletion due to lack of significant third party coverage. ... discospinster talk 03:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Deleted Article

I understand that you didn't feel that my article was any benefit to the wikipedia society, but can you please remove it completely from your site? I will try to work on it too. Send me an email at if you want to discuss this further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronmexico219 (talkcontribs) 21:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

The article has already been deleted/removed. Was there something else you were referring to? ... discospinster talk 22:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Webbing Equipment

A tag has been placed on Webbing Equipment, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

I'm pretty sure this redirect is unnecessary

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion," which appears inside of the speedy deletion ({{db-...}}) tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Reichsfürst (talk) 22:32, 25 June 2011 (UTC)