User talk:Favonian/Archive 10
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"Vandalism"
Excuse me good sir, but I believe I recently received a message from you Claiming that I have in some way damaged or "vandalized" Wikipedia, and I would just like to contest this obscene claim you made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewjackon (talk • contribs) 15:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
- Reckon you're referring to this revert of your edit to Scientology and marriage. Referring to this organization as a "cult" is derogatory. There have been several attempts to use this term in connections with Scientology, but the consensus is to avoid it. The reason for the strongly worded message is your track record, which does not inspire confidence in your abilities or intentions as a Wikipedia editor. Favonian (talk) 15:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
what "track record" are you referring too?? Just because of my status as a new user, does not mean that i am out to hurt Wikipedia. In addition I would like to say that Scientology is most definitely a cult and that statement could be backed up by a massive quantity of factual evidence, the consensus to avoid it is inspired by the fact that Scientology has an army of lawyers to take legal action against anyone who speaks out against it. Therefore i find this consensus invalid and I find your edit a form of censorship and therefore I find it destructive to the integrity of what is known as one of the most neutral sources on the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewjackon (talk • contribs) 16:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
In addition I am irritated by your comments on my "ability" and "intention" is one of the rules of these talk pages not "to avoid personal attacks"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewjackon (talk • contribs) 16:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
- Well, this is not too impressive, and nor is this, and this is, well, vandalism. In fact you haven't made any worthwhile contribution to Wikipedia. Favonian (talk) 16:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Thats your opinion.... All of these changes are factual after all I'm fairly certain that a Bauhinia picta has been in someones mothers bedroom before, and I've been to Diassara and they all seemed pretty good at it so i made the mistake of thinking it was their official sport(my mistake sorry). As for Pål Løkkeberg, i found his movie "Bitches on the Tip like George Bush on Liqueur" on the internet, but I gues it wasnt directed by him so that is also my mistake I'm sorry. Andrewjackon (talk) 16:14, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Instead of getting angry Favonian it may be best to explain your points more clearly and also try to avoid making any judgmental comments such as “In fact you haven't made any worthwhile contribution to Wikipedia”. I came across this randomly and I think it’s not the ideal way to communicate with someone who may well have tried to make a constructive edit on Wikipedia but perhaps they may not be overly sure of the functionality provided. In case like this it would also be a good idea to offer help. Just a thought. Thank you.--Ciaran M (talk) 19:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry to jump in here, but did you see their edits, and the fact they are now permo-blocked? – B.hotep •talk• 19:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Hi Ciaran. I have to ask you if you checked the edits of this editor, which I enumerated above, and which were at that point his only contributions? They were followed by this one after which they were indef blocked. In short, I stand by my assessment. Favonian (talk) 19:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
I threw my eve over them quickly(his edits). I was more so reading his defence above and it sounded genuine but upon closer inspection it became clear he was not asgenuine but just seemed to be causing trouble when clearly in wrong. Sorry if I caused any offence above. --Ciaran M (talk) 23:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
- No offence taken. Your motives were laudable. Favonian (talk) 05:42, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Etchi
Of course, I disagree. Please, use Japanese dictionaries and handbooks. There are strict and easy to understand rules--Seibun (talk) 18:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Talk:Ecchi#Page naming and actual name of the term is where the discussion takes place. Favonian (talk) 18:27, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I have got a Final Warning?
I have recieved a final warning on disruptive edits for an article about a rugby player called John.A.Power why is this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnboy007 2006 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
- It would seem that you persist in your attempts to create and link to an article about this individual, even though it has already once been deleted as non-notable. Favonian (talk) 13:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Howis this person non-notable he is the 1st disabled person ever to row a marathon? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnboy007 2006 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
- The article contains no references to reliable sources backing your claim. Favonian (talk) 13:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Here are just 2 sources backing this up?
RFL Benevolent Fund: - http://www.rflbenevolentfund.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=107:oarsome-effort-in-marathon-rowing-challenge&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=8 Oldham Chronicle: - http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/11/roughyeds-news/40355/power-hits-his-mark —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnboy007 2006 (talk • contribs) 14:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnboy007 2006 (talk • contribs)
- Put them into the article and see if this saves it from deletion. Favonian (talk) 13:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
- The Oldham Chronicle only says he "might have become the first wheelchair competitor..."; the RFL Benevolent Fund website makes no claims whatsoever. – B.hotep •talk• 13:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
- Good point. Should have taken time to read them instead of machine gunning vandals with Huggle. Favonian (talk) 13:42, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
- But the Oldham Chron still says he was a professional Rugby player for Oldham so he is still notable isn't he?, he is awaiting guiness records approval for the rowing. ( Johnboy007 2006 (talk) 15:07, 20 May 2010 (UTC) )
why
why did you delete my editing and its 100% and i have my proof and give it to you now —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shia4life (talk • contribs) 20:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
- Are you talking of this, by any chance? It violates Wikipedia's rules about neutral point of view and several other rules and guidelines to such an extent that it cannot be labeled as anything other than vandalism. Favonian (talk) 20:25, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
99.237.40.67
Re 99.237.40.67 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and their continued requests to delete their talk page. The last time I blocked them, I semi-protected their talk page to prevent such disruption. When the block expired they immediately resorted to article blanking again, so I granted a longer wikibreak than the last time. Would it be worth semi-protecting the talk page again, or should we see if they continue with the disruptive requests first? Mjroots (talk) 18:59, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- Considering this editor's tendency to repeat past transgressions, I think a protection is in order. They evidently don't intend to appeal the block in approved fashion. Favonian (talk) 19:04, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, revering an admin's actions is never a good idea. I've semi'd the talk page for a month too. Mjroots (talk) 19:08, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Headers on Tea Party movement page
I do not think the grammatical fixes will cause problems. With exception, perhaps the first one. I am not certain it that will cause problems since the page title has not changed. Links to this Tea Party page would be to the title, most likely. As it is, the page title is not correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuncacat (talk • contribs) 22:07, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
- Not entirely certain what you are talking about. What I and a couple of other editors did was to revert your capitalization of words in headers, which violated the manual of style. Favonian (talk) 22:10, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks!
for the reverts to my userpage. I hadn't even noticed it had been hit. I appreciate the help! Wikipelli Talk 23:36, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
- The least I could do :) I see that you reciprocated by reverting vandalism to my talk page. Thanks muchly! Favonian (talk) 09:45, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Electronic cigarette
Why is it that absolutely EVERYTHING that I contribute to this page you "editors" immediately take down? Also, what gives you the right to be the "electronic cigarette" page Nazis?! My reference regarding harm reduction and claims made by electronic cigarette companies was correct, I am starting to believe that either you guys may be working for an electronic cigarette company in particular (probably Green Smoke since you allowed their statement to be referenced) or are COMPLETELY AGAINST electronic cigarettes altogether based on the information you DO allow on the page...something is DEFINITELY wrong with the way in which you are monitoring this article- it is completely biased and I think it's quite ridiculous. I will be reporting you guys if you do not allow the article to be more neutral in regards to what REAL people know about electronic cigarettes. ISN'T THAT WHAT WIKIPEDIA IS HERE FOR?! IT IS BASED ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH- STOP BEING COMMUNISTS AND ALLOW BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY TO BE HEARD. The truth will prevail anyhow...People need to hear facts not just your opinions. Andra1987 (talk) 23:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
- Your rant has been answered on your talk page by another editor, who also received it. Looks like an administrator was as unimpressed by your efforts as we were, which caused you to be indef blocked. Goodbye and good riddance. Favonian (talk) 09:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- You know, it's funny, I'm having a bit of deja-vu here. I'm pretty sure I've had a run-in with one of these e-cigaretteers some time in the past. I'm searching my archives to see when/who it was, but seeing as that is one of the most spammed articles ever, I don't think it would make much difference if I did eventually find out! – B.hotep •talk• 10:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- Wouldn't surprise me at all. Spammers are attracted to that article like flies to [REDACTED], and they have a tendency to get excited when their efforts are removed. Guess giving up real cigarettes didn't improve their balance of mind Favonian (talk) 10:10, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Edits at Talk:Core countries
Those edits are not vandalism; as I explained on that talk page they are edits of students who are just learning how to edit. I appreciate you monitoring their edits; please keep in mind they are not vandals - some are just having trouble learning how to edit Wiki. If you revert such edits, please drop them a non-templated message about why you have done so and what should be fixed in their future edits. Thanks, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Piotrus. Thanks for the note. One major problem is that vandal fighters are unlikely to see that message, especially if they use Huggle. As the prodigies had already collected one warning, patience was wearing thin. Favonian (talk) 17:54, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- Perfectly understandable. Here's something to aid you in your work: --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- Gee, thanks! Huggle and Twinkle were beginning to feel a bit "insipid". Favonian (talk) 18:09, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Hinge Theorem Edits
I do not consider the edits made to Hinge Theorem vandalism. These facts can be confirmed at spp15.emagc.com. Please reconsider. 72.86.118.208 (talk) 01:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- For the record, the edit I reverted was this one. As it stood it was sheer nonsense. What made me classify as vandalism was that you had previously had a similar edit to the same article reverted by another editor, but instead of reflecting on this, for instance by posting a query on the talk page, you just repeated the edit. In such cases we have to "turn up the volume" on messages, and apparently it caught your attention. Further discussion takes place on Talk:Hinge theorem. Favonian (talk) 21:29, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi, you gave this user a lvl 4 warning a couple of days ago for inappropriate article creation or at least inappropriate cut and paste. He's been at it a lot since see User Talk:Ml mlkw, do you want to take it to ANI/V? Normally I would do it myself but having read a couple of the as yet undeleted articles I can see that notability of the subject might be there and to ban the guy for being a pilloock when he's got some useful leads just makes me hesitate. NtheP (talk) 15:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up! I would have taken the editor to ANI, asking for a temporary block in the hope that this would persuade the person of the error of his/her ways. Meanwhile however, an administrator has blocked the culprit for a week, so we get to see if the treatment works. Favonian (talk) 17:07, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Reviewing the editor's record it appears that all their contributions have been either deleted or redirected to existing articles. They have something to prove when and if they return. Favonian (talk) 17:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- It's going to be steep, it's just taken me 30 min to sort out one article he'd edited. NtheP (talk) 17:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Every edit by this 110.137.33.20 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) seems to be a hoax + vandalism. They all need reverting and he needs blocking. All are unreferenced and unverifiable. Kittybrewster ☎ 13:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
- They haven't edited for some hours now, so a request for blocking is bound to be turned down, but I'll keep an eye on their activities and escort them through the system if they misbehave. Favonian (talk) 20:30, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
- After an eight-day pause, the editor returned with this contribution, which I reported to AIV. Apparently, the evidence was sufficient to get them classified as a sockpuppet of "Disney Vandal" (I think that term refers to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bambifan101) and blocked for one month. Favonian (talk) 12:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Your talkpage
If you want my actions removed or varied, please let me or another admin know. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for stepping in. Looks like ROBERT TAGGART is upgrading from his usual quaint invective to harder stuff, so I appreciate both the removals and the temporary protection. Favonian (talk) 13:46, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Wow...
...you're quick! I was just about to warn the vandal and you beat me to it. :) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 21:59, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you! "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill." Favonian (talk) 22:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks
For the numerous reverts on my userpage. (: —Tommy2010 16:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
- Always a pleasure. Looks like you make the right kind of enemies ;) Favonian (talk) 16:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
your flags/deletion of my contributions + warning
I feel your deletions of my contributions and the warning are unfounded.
Did you do any research into this before you flagged my contributions?
The Lap-band mentioned in the entry is a brand name http://www.lapbandcanada.ca/index.asp So is the Realize band, also in the entry. http://www.realize.com/dtcf/ But, those entires you leave to stand.
Yet, you choose to delete my entries for Slimband and leave the other band brand mentions like they are fine. This is inconsistant.
I did look at how the entry was written before I added to it, and I believe I was within the standard there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbta (talk • contribs) 17:49, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- You additions to Adjustable gastric band, which I reverted, were blatant advertisement. The presence in this or other articles of other material that may be considered promotional is not sufficient reason to allow more. For the record, shortly before your message I reduced some overly brand-specific passages with this edit. Favonian (talk) 17:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Johanna Budwig
Thank you for your work on Johanna Budwig. This article is prone to attack by fanatics of one sort or other. Nunquam Dormio (talk) 13:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- No problem, that's what we're here for. Well, actually not, but it seems to be what we spend most of our time on :( The person to be thanked is you for keeping that article encyclopedic! Favonian (talk) 13:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Comment from 82.5.38.213 concerning article Lie
It appears you changed what I wrote conserning the subject of lying? Lying is a form of learning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.38.213 (talk) 14:27, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- Seems I've been tardy answering. Meanwhile, another editor has explained the problems with your theory at your talk page. Favonian (talk) 19:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Redirect on Atticus
Just so you know, the street name having a separate page is a waste of space, using a redirect option condenses the space, and eliminates confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cruelhumor (talk • contribs) 21:47, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- That may well be contested, and the way you handled it was not terribly elegant. Have a look at Help:Merging for instructions on how to propose a merger of two articles. Favonian (talk) 21:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
International usage
Good sir, what I said was perfectly neutral. A correct and accurate representation of the truth. If you wish me to rephrase it in a more wikipedia-like form I wouldn't mind whatsoever. But I believe it's more important to have scientific and factual information on this glorious website than ridiculous bigotry. Don't stand in the way of freedom and truth, I challenge you to come and visit this school. I just believe that perhaps doing this might get things to change, tarnishing its reputation might force it to improve. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.254.2.90 (talk) 22:13, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- Neutral? We are talking about this, which you attempted to add twice. It contains no reliable sources to back your claim, and is phrased as a rant rather than an encyclopedic article. Your personal opinions do not belong in Wikipedia—it is not a soap box. Favonian (talk) 22:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Little Boots, T4OTB 2009
I'm confused as to which stage Little Boots was on. According to all official sources, she was only on the 4Music stage. Someone has vandalised the article to say she was on both. So I'm really confused. ForeverACatholic (talk) 20:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
- My reason for reverting you was that you used the article as a talk page, but it looks like the administrators had stronger reservations, as you have now been blocked as a sockpuppet. Favonian (talk) 23:15, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks!
... for reverting vandalism on my user page. :) Ale_Jrbtalk 10:48, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
- No problem! Appreciate what you did to incur the animosity of those vandals. Favonian (talk) 10:50, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your message the other day regarding AfD notcies, I must admit to being rather lazy when it comes to this, I thought there were bots that went around leaving notices, I will try to be more pro active in future and leave them myself. I am getting pretty fed up with this user's behaviour towards me, I'm going to take a step back from this for a bit, but how would you recommend dealing with this before it escalates. He has just created this page, I assume as an attack on my methods of redirecting articles that fail notability guidelines, not sure what to do with it though... Nouse4aname (talk) 11:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
- I use Twinkle to take care of all the bureaucratic intricacies of the AfD and other procedures. Regarding Drake, his behavior is indeed rather problematic. I'm waiting to see if he tones down his language, otherwise I'll probably report him to WP:Etiquette. Favonian (talk) 11:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Sorry
Sorry about my AIV edit. The bot erroneously removed my report, and when I attempted to fix it, I erroneously removed yours. I was fixing my error, but you beat me to it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:36, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
- No problem! Similar things happen to me occasionally when Twinkle posts warnings on my behalf. Favonian (talk) 21:40, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Mayawati
Many thanks. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 18:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- My pleasure. Kudos for the explanation on the talk page concerning why the marital status does not belong in the lead of the article. Favonian (talk) 20:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- With editors like you around, I get the energy and confidence to keep editing here. Thank you very much for your kind words. Take care. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 02:24, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Monroe doctrine
where can i find readable versions of the monroe doctrine —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.212.52.4 (talk) 19:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Not sure what you mean by "readable", but the full text may be found at Wikisource. Favonian (talk) 21:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Eddiehouse50
I learn something new about myself every day. :) Thanks for reverting and blocking the account. Cheers, -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is indeed a place of learning :) Favonian (talk) 19:07, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
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- Why, thank you! Dangerous delicacy for a man my age, but one can't hurt me, surely. Favonian (talk) 20:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Chris Kamara
What was wrong with my Chris Kamara edit? He changed his name to chris cabanga today, so please refrain from changing my edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.154.189 (talk) 22:48, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
- You failed to provide a reliable source for your claim. Since this is a biography of a living person, Wikipedia insists on the information being verifiable. Favonian (talk) 22:51, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Risk Management
Dear Favonian, I think I understand why my updated was not allowed. May I add to the Further Reading listing on this page for our analyst report Enterprise Risk and Finance Architectures, which I feel is highly relevant to the Risk Management entry? I will wait to here back from you before I do so as my intention is not vandalise Wikipedia with irrelevant links. JRaeside (talk) 10:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
- It's a bit problematic to add links to publications by the company you work for, as this constitutes conflict of interest and may even be considered advertising. Wikipedia is generally reluctant when it comes to external links. Please have a look at WP:EL. Favonian (talk) 10:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
FYI User:Abhi.kumarsoft96 added their spam again. --220.101 (talk) \Contribs 11:20, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up! I was off-line for a while, but it looks like the user has been persuaded to stop. Favonian (talk) 06:22, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
- This is unreal. The same minute I typed my optimistic message, our friend did this. Off to WP:AIV they go. Favonian (talk) 06:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Leave my edit alone.
How is this edit not correct? "Blatter cheats the Irish team of a place in the 2010 WC finals." when the whole world knows it to be true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.192.36.15 (talk) 08:06, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
- "The whole world knows" is not a substitute for quoting reliable sources and it also fail to meet the requirements of neutral point of view. Favonian (talk) 08:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
You really should get out more. Have you ever tried living without your PC for a week or is it a mere extension of yourself. Lacking something perhaps!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.192.36.15 (talk) 08:14, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
I have not been vandalizing, my account was left on and friends were editing pages without my permission. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvale123 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks!
I was attempting to add categories to a page I generated and instead changed the categories of the category FAQ page....which I see you fixed before I could get to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakedimare (talk • contribs) 17:40, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
- No problem. I figured that's what happened once I saw your other edits. Favonian (talk) 17:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
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Mauritius
Hi, just regarding the page on Mauritius! My parents happen to be Mauritian Creole's, Mauritius is where my culture and where my ancestors come from Who are you? What gives you the rights and knowledge to change the history, culture, religion and fact's about my country????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpmez (talk • contribs) 20:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, you were the one who changed the article—in fact you deleted several referenced statements. If you want the article changed, you have to provide reliable sources. Favonian (talk) 20:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Mauritius change?!
Are you actually a Mauritian, or perhaps a Mauritian migrant?? My source of Information about Mauritius happens to be first class and not word of mouth. There appeared to be a considerable amount of missing info about my country that I had to account for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpmez (talk • contribs) 20:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC) .
Sockpuppet allegation
i do have a good explanation, sco told me in person that he was a sockpuppet but i didnt know who of so i suspected it was Larry jefferson if he is not a sockpuppet of Larry jefferson then he is deffinatly a sockpuppet of someone. Tariq harr (talk) 12:29, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
James Cassidy (musician) "vandalism"
Hi and thanks for your help on the recent edits by new editor User:Andemich to James Cassidy (musician). I'm pretty sure this is someone who's trying to edit in good faith, but just hasn't yet come up to speed on the Five Pillars. I'd like to help steer them out of the vandalism hole which they're in the process of (unintentionally) digging for themselves, but I'm not sure how to get their attention; I've tried leaving welcome notes on both their Talk and User pages (I hope that was okay for me to do that), and they haven't added an e-mail address to their preferences, so I can't contact them that way.
Is there anything else I/we can do to help them? -- Bgpaulus (talk) 15:34, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
- It seems like they deliberately refuse to read the messages to their talk page. You could try one more polite, non-template message. If they persist, I'll be the "bad cop" and shout louder. If neither approach works, it's another contributor lost. Favonian (talk) 15:38, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice, Favonian. Per your excellent suggestion, I just left a message at the top of their talk page. Keeping my fingers crossed. -- Bgpaulus (talk) 16:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
List of Micronations
I just undid an edit of yours and added the relevant reference you requested. PLease also see the discussion page on Dubeldeka where the references are listed. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.84.70 (talk) 18:17, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
- Yup, I noticed. The reference checks out, so I'll let the entry live this time ;) Favonian (talk) 18:20, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Vandalism
How am I vandalizing the World Cup page? I am saying the TRUTH. --74.167.246.83 (talk) 20:52, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
- In your opinion. Do you have any verifiable references from reliable sources to back it up? — Jeff G. ツ 20:54, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) You were adding your personal analyses to the article and that's not what Wikipedia is about. Please have a look at WP:OR. Favonian (talk) 20:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Dear Favorian,
Dear Favorian,
I have edited the page Azay Mohnatov, it is now correctly edited with referincing and biography box. Please have a look at the article.
Regards, Wikipation001 Agil 917 (talk) 22:37, 19 June 2010 (UTC)19.06.10 Wikipation001Agil 917 (talk) 22:37, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
- It has already been deleted by an administrator. In fact it has been deleted several times under this name as well as Azay Mokhnatov. You have to face the fact that this person isn't notable by Wikipedia standards.
- Another thing: you seem to have at some point changed your user name from Agil 917 (talk · contribs) to Wikipation001 (talk · contribs), yet you still seem to edit under the old name. That is confusing, if not downright suspicious. Please stick to the new name. Favonian (talk) 22:42, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thanks
Thx Favonian. I'm bending over now getting ready for it... Captain of the Golden Hind (talk) 10:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Kadioglu Baharat WebPage
Hi Favonian, May I learn the reason why you flagged Kadioglu Baharat ? I was still working on it, it is one of the most health conciensus companies in the world, promoting unique and healthy production of spices for people.Geronimo ahmo (talk) 09:40, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
- The article is basically an advertisement, and the links provided don't really demonstrate that the company is notable. Favonian (talk) 09:53, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Dear Favonian, I just responded to your message. I know my page is connected to a case, but I am writing a much more enriched page then before. Last time, my page got flagged before I can finish it. I am just learning how to use Wiki. I read the terms. I believe this company is significant in non-business related ways which is very important. It is a cornerstone which must be mentioned. Geronimo ahmo (talk) 09:48, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Coulibaly Talk Page
The Talk page is semi-protected so I can't write anything on it!Dfourni (talk) 17:45, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
- Looks like you are right. I was confused by the absence of the usual icon indicating protection. At any rate, keep your opinions off the article, and use your own talk page. Favonian (talk) 17:46, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
- Well the article the way it is right now is absolutely ridiculous. The only reason this guy is well known is because of his decision to disallow the goal. That is the ONLY reason. Look at the Don Denkinger article for an example of the article should look like. Why is the score of a match where Coulibaly was the 4th referee included? All he did in that match was hold a scoreboard announcing the subs. He was not involved in that match at all. That should not be included in the article. The fact that the article tries to downplay the controversy or pretends that only America thinks that is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dfourni (talk • contribs) 17:52, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Danny Clare
thank you for your speedy delition of my first wikipedia page i think you should reconcider it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwetafgrge (talk • contribs) 08:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, an administrator deleted it, while I merely nominated it. There was absolutely no reason to keep it. Favonian (talk) 08:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Gdansk
Gdansk was not German as Germany were none existent yet. The history of Gdansk is simple -> Prusia was first before Germanic nations created Germany as we know it. Gdansk was a free city that did not belong to either Poland nor Germany. Both Polish and German citizens were living there. All Surnames ending with "ski" like Bromowski, kowalski, etc,(in USA "sky" for proper pronunciation) or "icz" like Ciechanowicz, Krajewicz have Polish origin and they are part of original naming in whole Poland throughout Polish history. Many Jews were changing their names to Polish surnames to prevent being recognized as Jewish, because they were not tolerated in most of the Europe back then, and Poland gave them a freedom of leaving on Polish teritory, back then known as Polish Shire or Warsaw Shire(Ksiestwo Polskie or Ksiestwo Warszawskie). Please read more about it in some History books... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.171.129.74 (talk) 21:37, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
- This reference, quoted in the article, states that Brooks' father considered himself a German Jew, and that's what matters as far as Wikipedia is concerned. Favonian (talk) 21:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
- Discussion copied to Talk:Mel Brooks, where it will continue. Favonian (talk) 22:01, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Level of Knowledge
Dear Favonian In regards Mr Mel Brooks and his father instead talking and posting bullshit please ask him who was his father. I was born in Canada within Polish family, both of my parents are Polish and I am in Poland now. Is the fact that I was born in Canada makes me 100% Canadian? I don't think so! I am Polish by roots so is Mr Maksymilian Kamisnki. The letter "i" in his surname is being replaced with "y" for American Pronunciation to be more accurate. Also with his First name "ks" was replaced with "x" as all Polish community does for the same reasons as stated before. Gransk was a Free City and both Polish and German citizens were living there, Even when Poland was under occupation of Austria-Hungarians, Russia and Prussia. So do not change the history or I will have to boycott you publicly for attempts of change history to serve your purposes whatever they might be. Read more about Poland/Germany and Prussia (Another Germanic nation) also I suggest you read about Linguistic History where you will clearly see where is Kaminski's root came from. I suspect you are German but that is NOT giving you any rights to change history. Mr Kaminski's family run away from Europe to America between WWI and WWII and you should know why!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.171.129.74 (talk) 14:33, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
My name is Michael Ksiezopolski and you can contact me at ksiezopolski@yahoo.com
Thanks!
I forgot to say thanks for the catch of the vandal on my userpage earlier! Cheers! (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 19:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- Any time! Favonian (talk) 19:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Miss universe 2011
I see you tagged Miss universe 2011 with {{db-repost}}. I have declined this speedy deletion. The AfD discussion put much emphasis on the lack of verifiable plans, but the current version of the article gives a definite statement of the venue, so the same argument may not have the same force. I think a second AfD will be necessary if you still want the article deleted. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I see your point, and in cases like this I guess the subject will eventually materialize, so initiating yet another AfD is likely futile. I took my cue from this log, which shows that the properly capitalized article with (I assume) the same contents was speedied and salted only a week ago. Favonian (talk) 15:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, it is virtually the same contents, but the essential difference is that it gives the venue as a fact rather than a speculation. Whether it actually is a well-sourced fact I don't know. I hadn't noticed that under a slightly different title it had been salted, or I might have taken a different line. If you want to make a point of the salting I can consider deleting it, but on the whole I agree with you: even if it's not notable, it will eventually emerge, so it's probably not worth the effort of pursuing it. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Let's leave it. Wikipedia can live with yet another beauty pageant article :-| Favonian (talk) 20:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- I must say, I was having a look at this. Who would want an article about the 2011 event when this year's hasn't even been held. But you're both right, best left. Except. It needs moving. And I don't want to get my fingerprints on it! :P – B.hotep •talk• 20:20, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Let's leave it. Wikipedia can live with yet another beauty pageant article :-| Favonian (talk) 20:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, it is virtually the same contents, but the essential difference is that it gives the venue as a fact rather than a speculation. Whether it actually is a well-sourced fact I don't know. I hadn't noticed that under a slightly different title it had been salted, or I might have taken a different line. If you want to make a point of the salting I can consider deleting it, but on the whole I agree with you: even if it's not notable, it will eventually emerge, so it's probably not worth the effort of pursuing it. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I was not trying to add external links permanently,
I was not trying to add any external links I was just trying to figure out how to do it so it looks correct, unfortunately every time I was trying to view it you had deleted it again so I am still none the wiser than when I started, Also worth mentioning that you have removed part of the original article by mistake, you might want to check that! just a heads up since your not to busy.
How are people expected to learn how to use wiki when you get trigger happy DELETE FREAKS removing everything you post, you could have given me chance to figure it out and then perhaps you would have found the page to be as I had found it. Daneldiniho 20:40 2nd July 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daneldiniho (talk • contribs) 19:40, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- The article is exactly what it was before you started to add your commercial link to it. If you want to experiment, use the preview button instead of actually saving your changes, or even better: use the sandbox. Favonian (talk) 19:47, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Johann Dzierzon
What do you know about Polish, Silesian and Prussian history? Are you Polish or German? --Showasw (talk) 20:13, 2 July 2010 (UTC) I give you sourcess in Polish literature. Thus I ask you are you Polish.--131.104.139.151 (talk) 20:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- To paraphrase Chaplin: no, I don't have that honor. What you did was to remove the IPA pronunciation guide and add your personal point of view without providing reliable sources to back your claim. Favonian (talk) 20:16, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
HELP
I need help in editing Alvina Alston's page so it is NOT deleted. Can u help me? Mediaexecutive01 (talk) 20:29, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- You should have a look at WP:BIO, which explains what it take to establish notability for a person. You should, however, also look at WP:COI. If you have a conflict of interest, you probably shouldn't be writing this article. Favonian (talk) 20:34, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
BUNBURY OFICIAL
We are trying to add the official sites for BUNBURY in Facebook, MySpace and Twitter... is that possible?
Many thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bunburyoficial (talk • contribs) 20:49, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- We prefer to do without them. Look at WP:EL for general guidelines regarding external links. And do have a look at WP:COI. Favonian (talk) 20:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Vandalism only account
User:Twomblies - Kittybrewster ☎ 22:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- They haven't edited since the two dubious ones which you reverted. I've left a warning, and if they come back for more, they will get it. Favonian (talk) 12:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
1974
Then add in the summit, since SALT I, SALT II, or not, it's still an event that happened that year, and since the edit was for events that happened in 1974, that IS a worthy addition. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:11, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
- Usually we only have entries for events for which articles exist. This one was just another summit in a long series; it doesn't have an article and is barely mentioned anywhere, though the picture of Ford and Brezhnev is used in lots pf places, maybe for aesthetic reasons. Favonian (talk) 19:38, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank You
For the reverts to my talk page. I must have upset somebody, but the IP that did it had never made any contributions before! - I suspect he wouldn't do that under his user name, but maybe now the IP address is blocked, he might have problems. Ronhjones (Talk) 18:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
- No sweat. Let's just hope that the vandal is not of the faithful kind who will be back after the block expires. Favonian (talk) 19:29, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
The Dolly Rockers
Their name is The Dolly Rockers. Jared Moore 1985 (talk) 22:48, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
- You seem to be missing the point. If you want the article renamed, look at WP:RM. Do not make the change by copy/pasting! Personally, I don't give a hoot what they call themselves. Favonian (talk) 22:50, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Special Edition redirect
Hi! In future when you convert a page to a redirect, as you did with Special Edition, can you please ensure that the information from the page is transferred across? I've done that for you here. Stephen! Coming... 17:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
- Oops, right you are. Sorry! Favonian (talk) 17:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Quick edit
Ohhh.. That was a quick edit on the movie - Antibody. I guess you must be watching the movie as well and searched for an article..
Cheers Ramanan rams81 (talk) 20:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
- No, the explanation is a bit more banal: I was watching new articles, but I am a film buff. Hope I'm not getting in your way. Favonian (talk) 20:36, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Pig diet
Look now, it is a fact that domestic pigs do eat human feces.(wild pigs are also known to eat dung of other animals). It may not appeal to some people but a FACT is A FACT. So Why should this fact be hidden? Because it doesn't appeal to pork eaters? Go and see this in any village in India. If you think only Indian pigs eat poop, put a plate of feces in front of an American domestic pig (maybe they are not allowed to eat), and see for yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.3.4 (talk) 20:05, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting fascination you've got there, but you're barking (oinking?) up the wrong tree. It was another editor, who reverted you. Favonian (talk) 20:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
35 > 65 ?
Dear Favorian, I see you are mathematician than you know how to calculate. 69 out of 192 United Nations countries recognized Kosovo so you can calculate how many percents it is. I did not touched parts in articles where article says about Kosovo fight for independence because those are facts also and even links to outside resources but Wikipedia is about facts so no matter how our feelings are we should respect the facts and the fact is that Kosovo is not a country, it is still a part of Serbia, one day maybe Kosovo will be a country but the facts are that now it is not. Look at maps in the article, doesn't it seems absurd for you to write about Kosovo as it is a country and not to put it on maps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.16.83 (talk) 16:22, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- This issue is not decided be UN head count but by consensus among editors based on reliable sources. If you have an issue with the inclusion, you should take it to Talk:Balkans and not attempt any further reverts. Favonian (talk) 16:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Obvious...
I am software architect by profession also and it is obvious that you are amateur historian, I'll take this issue to Talk Balkan but the fact remains that truth and facts are not consensus, they are just facts and no matter how we feel about them they remain the same... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.16.83 (talk) 16:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
You approved this edit. Did you verify that the source being credited actually supports the edit? Everard Proudfoot (talk) 21:45, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- No, I didn't. We are not required to as part of this tagged revision system (or whatever it ended up being called), only to ensure that it's not blatant vandalism, and this is not, as far as I can tell. The sources are not available online, but I admit that the edit summary looks a bit WP:ORish. Maybe a {{Citation needed}} is appropriate. Favonian (talk) 21:52, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll do that. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 19:30, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Your allegation
Could you please tell why my edit wasn't constructive? You left a message on my talk page then go away without coming back to check my reply. 112.118.149.119 (talk) 01:40, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Re-adding request
Why don't you re-add it. You should not have deleted my request. You should be the one to be "carefull". I feel you are a being hypocritical towards me when you deleted my request. Please add it back, thank you. GuineaPigWarrior 21:30 12 July, 2010.
- Another editor was kind enough to do that. I am, admittedly, less inclined to mop up after you. And by the way, in view of the above and your other contributions to Wikipedia, please have a look at WP:CIVIL. Favonian (talk) 12:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
"Mop up after me" you were lazy to just delete my request. How dare you say you were too inclined to mop up after me. As I see it, you should have done it. As for your link, you dis respected me by deleting my request when you did it and you should had cleaned it up instead of being hypocritical. GW!
- A bot, not Favonian, originally removed your request. The reason the bot removed your request is that it was placed in the wrong section [1]. Open requests go in the top section, completed requests go in the bottom section. --B (talk) 12:52, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Sorry
Sorry. I just got mad at Graham87 because he commented on my 911 Dispatching article: There is NO hope that this will become a real article. And it is a real animation series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beamer103 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- Such behavior is not acceptable around this place. Please stop, or you will most likely be blocked from editing. Favonian (talk) 19:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
University of Health Sciences Antigua
For the past three years our school UHSA has been in this constant struggle with this place in order to get information to stay AS IT IS right NOW. Be informed that the legal representative of the school, Mr. Patrick Oneill, ESQ. has written a letter to the CEO of this place to give this place a formal ultimatum in regards of this. NO VANDALISM is made by our side. NO ALTERATIONS WILL BE TOLERATED. This actions from WIKIPEDIA has caused the life of our Founder, Dr. Yele Akande. He died on October of last year due of this issue.
Lyzette Roman Vice President International Affairs —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyz roman (talk • contribs) 20:51, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
- Instead of pushing your caps lock, you should read Wikipedia's guidelines regarding legal threats. Favonian (talk) 20:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
False positive report
The other day you submitted a false positive report because you found yourself unable to edit someone's talk page. If you have not already seen, it was due to an accident in the code of a particular edit filter which was quickly fixed by the MediaWiki software itself. The code has been reverted to the last good version and this should not happen again. Thank you for bringing this to our attention, however; if people hadn't reported it we wouldn't have known there was a problem. I have removed the false positive reports as I felt it was easier to just go to the people who submitted them directly. —Soap— 23:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads-up. Based on the deluge of false positive reports that came in around the same time as mine, I figured there might be something wrong with the code. Quite amusing to be charged with "your mom" related vandalism, though. Kudos for fixing it so quickly! Favonian (talk) 09:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Blocking policies (June 24 2010)
I had possibly blocked from editing. You said 15:10 on 24 June 2010. Hidbaty223 (talk) 13:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- It is less than clear what you mean, but I did in fact issue a couple of warnings to you in June, and you were subsequently blocked by an administrator for a series of rather idiotic edits to date-related articles, for instance this one. Do you have a problem with this? And while we are at it, this statement on your talk page will not keep you from receiving warnings, should you again see fit to edit disruptively, and you are in no position to block anybody. Favonian (talk) 17:50, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
??
Why do you keep changing my edits.
FattyMagoo (talk) 22:10, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- Because you are a vandal. Favonian (talk) 22:11, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I change a page to reflect facts. It may not be listed on any economic reports, however the manufacture and sale of methamphetamine is a major contributor to the economy of Wasilla, AK. This comment was not vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FattyMagoo (talk • contribs) 22:56, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- Wasn't it? And your repeated removals of Sarah Palin? Oh, and thanks a bundle for Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Favonian. Could have become quite a collectors' item. Favonian (talk) 23:00, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- A collectors' item, indeed. It's now out of print. – B.hotep •talk• 23:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- Rats! But there'll probably be more. Thanks for putting Magoo out of my misery! Favonian (talk) 23:07, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- This isn't an offer (because I don't do that sort of thing, historically speaking) but when are you going for adminship? Then at least I can take your talk page of my watchlist! At least at the moment it is compelling viewing. :) – B.hotep •talk• 23:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the !offer—I can take huge amounts of flattery without blushing. Drmies was kind enough to ask me the same question, and I've been kind of waffling ever since. Do you think odds are favorable? I have a very small production of articles, none of them DYK, GA, etc. material, and as my talk page demonstrates, I'm no loss to the Diplomatic Service. Favonian (talk) 23:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- The reason I don't nominate is I
can't takedon't take failure lightly and end up feeling all responsible. All I will say is: your reports to AIV are always dead on to the point I don't even have to check them most of the time (but I do because I am responsible ;)) and you have your head screwed on right from what I see. So, in that respect your odds are favourable... but then, wtf do I know? It's six of one and half a dozen of another most of the time. Put it this way, it will be a strong support from me, but I am under no illusion about neither my import nor influence around here! – B.hotep •talk• 23:32, 17 July 2010 (UTC)- It's kind of late in my timezone, but I think I'll do the honorable thing for the sake of the community and go for it. If nothing else, the RfA procedure seems to be quite an experience. Just promise me that you won't use my hypothetical elevation as an excuse for your own retirement! The vandals were getting awfully frisky in your absence. Favonian (talk) 23:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- Oh no. Now I've as good as nominated you... I'm doomed. ;) – B.hotep •talk• 23:45, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- It's kind of late in my timezone, but I think I'll do the honorable thing for the sake of the community and go for it. If nothing else, the RfA procedure seems to be quite an experience. Just promise me that you won't use my hypothetical elevation as an excuse for your own retirement! The vandals were getting awfully frisky in your absence. Favonian (talk) 23:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- The reason I don't nominate is I
- Thanks for the !offer—I can take huge amounts of flattery without blushing. Drmies was kind enough to ask me the same question, and I've been kind of waffling ever since. Do you think odds are favorable? I have a very small production of articles, none of them DYK, GA, etc. material, and as my talk page demonstrates, I'm no loss to the Diplomatic Service. Favonian (talk) 23:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- This isn't an offer (because I don't do that sort of thing, historically speaking) but when are you going for adminship? Then at least I can take your talk page of my watchlist! At least at the moment it is compelling viewing. :) – B.hotep •talk• 23:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- Rats! But there'll probably be more. Thanks for putting Magoo out of my misery! Favonian (talk) 23:07, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- A collectors' item, indeed. It's now out of print. – B.hotep •talk• 23:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Mini Jefferson (talk) 19:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
you didnt block
Mini Jefferson (talk) 19:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Mini Jefferson (talk) 19:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
- Fear not, someone will. Favonian (talk) 19:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
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