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How do you vandalize a page? What does that mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Afafk (talkcontribs) 00:58, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Adoption offer

Greetings Fetchcomms/Archive 1, I see you're up for adoption, and I'm in the market. If ever you need advice or answers, just ask me -- any question, any time. I'd like to help however I can. Happy editing - Draeco (talk) 17:55, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

As for your userboxes, I don't know. Your first bet is to place the template {{helpme}} at the top of this talk page, and hopefully somebody with userbox knowledge will respond. Failing that, I would ask at the Help desk, but be warned that some "helpers" there might be snappy about userboxes there; many don't see it as a legitimate enterprise on Wikipedia. - Draeco (talk) 00:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
As for talk etiquitte, there's no good answer. Different people prefer it different ways. Personally, I prefer posting on the other's talk page, back-and-forth, so that the user is notified each time and more likely to notice (for example, I don't watch your talk page habitually). The back-and-forth can make it hard for any third party to follow the conversation, though, so I'll keep the conversation in one place when it's a topic that's likely to interest others. - Draeco (talk) 00:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Any time, comrade. Reward me by staying active on WP. - Draeco (talk) 01:27, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
WP:ESSAYS has the official policy. Basically, it doesn't matter. If you don't want others to modify it, leave it in your userspace. - Draeco (talk) 03:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Red link is your guideline. Basically, leave red links as long as they're likely to ever have an article, or even create that article yourself if you're able. As for where to post questions, there's no rule. I prefer to keep similar comments under the same heading (as I'm doing with all your adoption questions) but making new sections each time is fine as well. If your post is likely to spark significant commentary, make a new section. It basically boils down to readability. - Draeco (talk) 13:24, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
WP:SPELL has spell-checking advice (spellcheckers are built into some browsers and WP tools, or you can cut& paste every edit into Microsoft Word or somesuch, though that's cumbersome because all the wiki markup will make a wash of red and green). WP:MOS has general style/format/grammar guidelines, but it's best for those who are already good at grammar, but unfamiliar with Wikipedia's specific preferences. If it's a matter of simple poor English, that's tough. The {{copyedit}} template is designed to handle this, but has a backlog of thousands of pages. You can ask questions at the Language ref desk but they'll get annoyed if you badger them with constant gruntwork. You can double-check the user's contributions personally through their "my contributions" link, but it's a chore.- Draeco (talk) 02:52, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Hm, yes that would be the best way to start, but be constructive and don't bite the newbs. - Draeco (talk) 03:26, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
In general, posting civilly on a user's talk page is the best first step to addressing any issue. You'll rarely go wrong. - Draeco (talk) 03:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Sadly I've noticed a trend that WP editors seem to be getting more prickly and confrontational than in the early days. - Draeco (talk) 03:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry I just saw your previous message. Revert = Undo. Rollback is an admin-only tool that has automated features but is still done by humans. As for how to do an AfD, it simply requires a lot of reading. The basic procedure is as WP:AFDHOWTO, but understanding all the procedures and criteria has a learning curve. - Draeco (talk) 03:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Yeah AfD has become a very dense bureaucracy. I think it's bad for all of Wikipedia, but don't get me started. - Draeco (talk) 03:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
There is no graduation process. If you like, consider yourself graduated. But I still remain available for questions any time. Cheers - Draeco (talk) 02:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Your placement of advert warning tags

If you could explain what language you find to be WP:SOAP in the articles HA'Aki and Jeu that you tagged as advertising, I'd be happy to try to address it. These are both stub articles that have minimal text on the films: key credits, short descriptions, and major awards won, the latter of which is an important part of establishing notability per Wikipedia:Notability (films), which lists as criteria "a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking." thanks, --Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your speedy reply re the expand template below. Could you get back to me about these warning tags as well? thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
You made some good points, I'll pare down and Wikify the language a little, thanks. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Your placement of expand tags on stub articles

You also should not be adding expand tags to articles that are already categorized as stubs, per Template:Expand, as you did here, here and perhaps elsewhere. It's just unnecessary. A stub is by very definition in need of expansion. Use the expand tag only on articles that are not stubs, but still in need of expansion. --Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Good hunting

Haha, I think you beat me to more reverts than I beat you to. What I really need is the rollback tool, how long do you think I need to be around before they'll give it to me?Cathardic (talk) 20:22, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Much appreciated. Me, I'm just wiling away the afternoon. Huggle is going all the work! --JohnnyB256 (talk) 21:17, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, you know Huggle is fast but sometimes there is a lag. I just warned and reverted some user who made a good edit because the edit in front of me was not the live edit! That happens.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 21:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Seems to be a larger than usual amount of vandalism today. School's out? Since I started using Huggle I've noticed not only how rife vandalism is on Wikipedia, but also how horrid some of the articles are that I stumble onto. Articles on the most trivial, narrow, and weirdest possible subjects. I think I have to stop before my eyes glaze over! --JohnnyB256 (talk) 22:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I hate to admit it, but some of the vandalism is genuinely funny. Somebody even vandalized my user page humorously, something about being in my mother's basement for 17 years (it's been 15 years, to be exact). --JohnnyB256 (talk) 00:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I have to admit I thought this[1] was funny. A BLP too! Shame on me.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 00:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Here's a shocker: I googled that phony disease he put in there and there was only one hit, which was the vandalism! It got on Google after being there a millisecond! I swear to God. It just shows how important this vandalism patrolling is. Oh, this one was funny too [2]. I felt like writing back, "what's your excuse?"--JohnnyB256 (talk) 00:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Kane Waselenchuk article

As you've noticed, someone keeps deleting a paragraph - citing a 2 year suspension from competitive racquetball - from the Kane Waselenchuk article that I originally wrote. My user page was even changed by deleting a reference to that article as one of those that I originated. Can anything be done to stop this deletion occurring? (other than simply "undoing" it each time). Any advice/thoughts on this appreciated. Trb333 (talk) 17:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Welcoming

To welcome users faster, you can just add this code into your monobook.js, or your vector.js if you are using the new beta version of this site:


then bypass your cache by pressing Ctrl+F5 on your keyboard. December21st2012Freak Lord of the Vulcans 04:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Since you already have friendly, just click the "wel" tab at the top of any user talk page. December21st2012Freak Lord of the Vulcans 04:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

band hero list

I've undone the splitout of the soundtrack for Band Hero. While I know the other games have it, in getting all the GH articles up to par for the Guitar Hero featured topic, there is concern that splitting soundtracks out just for purposes of doing so when the article is short enough is not a good thing. Thus, Smash Hits has its soundtrack in the article on the game (as there's no development info) while GH5 clearly needs a separate list due to the new gameplay additions and the like. Band Hero, as far as I've seen in sources, is not discussed much in development, and the gameplay is mostly the same as GH5 , so there's no larger body of text that will be added outside of the reception section, so the lists are fine in the article. If, when I get this to GA/FA and they complain about the size, then it makes sense to move it. --MASEM (t) 05:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiCup/2010 Signups

I have replaced your flag with a question mark flag (which means that, unless you choose another flag yourself, one will be randomly assigned) as we do not allow fictional flags. Instead, flags must represent a real place, either current or historical. J Milburn (talk) 17:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


I am making this edit for the purpose of confirming my ACC request.-- fetchcomms 22:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

This edit is for the edit summary.-- fetchcomms 22:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, you have removed links I entered on Darwin Northern Territory, these links are very relevant to the site and relate to the MacRobertson Air Race of October 1934 that used Darwin as a control point. The Race is mentioned in the site as an important part of its history. I would therefore suggest that my links are acceptable under Wikipedia rules. Regards brucarmac 11/11/09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brucarmac (talkcontribs) 03:30, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Cracked tooth syndrome

Since neither of us have suggestions I was thinking maybe for now we can research this and work on it? There's a good deal if info. about it online... probably not enough for a ranking, but it's a start. Cracked tooth syndrome  IShadowed  ✰  04:33, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


Is school out (Veteran's Day)? You don't need Huggle to catch vandals today! --JohnnyB256 (talk) 19:02, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Accidental creation of pages!

I meant to create the user pages for future work! Delete away! A mistake on my part! Oops. Qwerty786 (talk) 22:53, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

ERC - European Research Council Edits

Hi, you're using the rollback without even reading the edited page. Please, have a look at my edit of the ERC page, and you'll see that I am deleting all those personal comments and attacks from some user that is obviously bitter about not having gotten an ERC grant —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:30, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Slip of the revert finger (recent edit to Smile)?

Information.png Pardon, am I reading this edit to Smile incorrectly? I think your revert finger slipped! Cheers, --4wajzkd02 (talk) 01:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted this is my copy right to my image


Date of Application. 29th April 2004 Date as of which design registered 29th April 2004 Certificate of registration granted 18th August 2004 Product in respect of which design registered: 'Badge ' Edition Pri. Class'n First Duplicate Second Duplicate Third Duplicate 07 At Issue 11-03 01 99-00 24 br> ADP NUMBER: 00064726001

Intellectual property crime Counterfeiting and piracy are Intellectual property (IP) crimes. Counterfeiting is wilful trade mark infringement and piracy is wilful copyright infringement. Infringement means using or copying a trade mark or copyrighted material without permission from the IP owner. The role of the Police and Trading Standards There are a number of criminal offences that may be committed by individuals who produce, distribute or sell counterfeit and pirated goods —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:26, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Speedy speedy

In regards to Warrior brotherhood veterans motorcycle club, I have added the hangon template; this club might well be notable. I would urge you to not be so quick on the draw and to first look to see if a given topic might be encyclopedic. You may be interested in WP:NEWT. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 23:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

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CSD declined

I have declined the CSD tag you put on Huntsville (game), as the CSD policy does not cover articles on software. --Coffee // have a cup // ark // 03:42, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Very well, I assumed games were considered web content. What would it be then?-- fetchcomms 04:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Web content is for websites only, games are a type of software. --Coffee // have a cup // ark // 04:21, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Then would I have to prod?-- fetchcomms 04:36, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, or AFD. --Coffee // have a cup // ark // 04:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I am participating in WP:NEWT and have created multiple notable articles with typos, bad formatting etc. under the alternate account User:MusicaEsVida. These articles are notable as they are software, and software doesn't count under A7, nor did they count under G3 or G1. Please let me know if you have any questions, and remember, Don't Bite the Newbies!  IShadowed  ✰  04:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magic pen (software) (2nd nomination)

Someone else sent that to AfD two minutes before you created that discussion. Could you move your comment to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magic pen (software) and put {{db-house}} on the 2nd nomination (assuming the criteria still obtain, of course)? Thanks, - 2/0 (cont.) 05:34, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

All good, I figured it was something of the sort. Regards, - 2/0 (cont.) 20:55, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

WJ Souza

This looks a good candidate for the Article Incubator - I have moved it to WP:Article Incubator/WJ Souza and told the author. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


Hi Fetchcomms! while patrolling newpages, I stumbled upon Help with algebra. This article clearly doesn't meet the criteria for inclusion, it is in start violation of WP:HOWTO. You probably noticed that too during newpagepatrol, and tagged it for speedy deletion. The thing is though, you tagged it as blatant vandlism and a hoax, and that it is certainly not. I would like to invite you to be more careful with tagging articles for deletion, also thinking on how it welcomes our newcomers. Together with the other items on your talk page, it seems you may be a bit too over-enthausiatic when it comes to tagging articles for deletion. As a rule of thumb, use speedy deletion tags if and only if the article you are reading should be deleted RIGHT NOW. To enforce this, the criteria for speedy deletion are really quite narrow. That is intentional, so that articles that don't need such urgent deletion, can't be deleted under CSD. It's a good thing to always stop and think if it really meets the CSD, and pick the right criterium. In all other cases, it's better to use either PROD or AfD. Let me know if you think I am. or am not making sense. Happy editing! Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Cloud Architecture Framework (CAF)

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The article Cloud Architecture Framework (CAF) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Delete redirect to userfied article.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.  fetchcomms 00:16, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

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For the summary?


The page was blanked when I first found it. Looks like a shortish but useable stub's there now. Thanks for asking! PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Been doing this for years and I still haven't figured it out m'self.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:13, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Prod v. Speedy

Hi. Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for helping cleanup. Your efforts are appreciated.

May I suggest that in the future if you encounter an article like Civilians operating against an occupying power that does not have any encyclopedia content, you nominate it for speedy deletion rather than proposed deletion. You can do this by adding the template {{db-nocontent}} to it.

Thanks. DJ Clayworth (talk) 20:49, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

CSD of Authonomy

Hi. Please do try to give articles a little bit more of a chance before speedying. You appear to have speedied Authonomy within a second of its creation and I don't think that's helpful in this case, as the article creator points out at Talk:Authonomy. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:45, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Here's my advice: speedying is only advisable if something is blatantly deletable. Here was an article on a self-publishing website owned by publisher Harper Collins, being created by an admin, with lots of references out there. A bit of checking on your part would have been advisable. Again, you seemed to have applied the speedy tag one second after the article was created, so you couldn't have checked. This isn't a race to be the first to delete. Just take your time, do some WP:BEFORE work. I see your work has been largely focused on deleting articles and fighting vandalism, which is great, but you might want to try creating articles, as well. But that's up to you. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

A. Corella

Thank you for catching so promptly my typo. on the A. Corella‎ redirect! — Robert Greer (talk) 21:23, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

William Adams (author)

Exactly what is the problem with the inline references to the Dictionary of National Biography, found at the end of every paragraph of the article? What additional citations are you looking for? Have you even lifted your finger to check the article against the DNB, or are you just firing from the hip? --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

{{refimprove}} is an inappropriate tag for the purpose you used it for. The citation used verifies the text in the article; additional citations are not required. You probably wanted {{One source}}. However I'd read carefully the purpose of that template - it uses language such as "accuracy or neutrality may be suspect". In my view, it would only be appropriate to use it if you thought something about the article was dodgy. If it is merely that you want another source because you think that's a generally good thing, I'm afraid the banner you leave on the article will be little more than clutter, with about zero chance of getting anyone to improve the article. Put another way, there are very much better ways of improving wikipedia than drive-by tagging. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
You'll understand there are two camps with respect to tagging. I'm in the other one. There is a but more on him in the Oxford DNB, which is about 114 years more modern than the DNB, and if I was less lazy, I'd update the article from that It wouldn't add much except his interaction with Elizabeth Sewell, but as you see, she hasn't yet achieved a wikipedia placing. Clearly you are right to think that a second source would improve it; I merely question whether a tag is the best way to get work done - and I think the ordinary user would prefer to get right into the article without having to check out the banner. YMMV. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:57, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
YMMV. You dealt with my snappiness very well; well done on that, and apologies. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:13, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Houston's Rockville

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A tag has been placed on Houston's Rockville requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, a rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content. You may wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you.  fetchcomms 03:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


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You deserve this for beating me to a revert or CSD for about the 15th time... :D  IShadowed  ✰  16:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I got the same warning... but since I've been doing okay... Blur told me to use Wikipedia:Proposed deletion in times of doubt.  IShadowed  ✰  16:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Hah, yeah I did that same... I check now too.  IShadowed  ✰  16:57, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


Hi - I was a little surprised to see that you had speedied this article. This one seems fairly clear notability to me; perhaps in the future you might check with the article author if you are unclear? We should probably consider thinking of this as an opportunity for education. If an article hangs around a little when it is in doubt, that is okay. I would rather have that than to have a productive editor driven away by a speedy that is too speedy. You might also be aware that there is a discussion about this at the Wikimedia Foundation strategic planning website. - Philippe 19:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, let's just be careful about it going forward. One of my grave concerns is that we may have an environmental that's anti-wiki; that is, where policies and rules are being treasured over valid and appropriate contributions. Anything you can do to help combat that (by making sure that people understand WHY their article is being deleted, etc) is a step in the right direction. Thanks! - Philippe 16:30, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
There's no deadline. There's very rarely a harm to having a questionable or even bad article up for a day or two while things get sorted. You're right, it's frustrating, but when you keep your eye on the ball it's not that big a deal. Keep the big picture in mind... the long term damage of losing a potentially good contributor is MUCH greater than having an iffy article up for 24 hours while we sort things. :) I appreciate the work you're doing. Thanks for it. - Philippe 10:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Paul-André Fortier

Hello Fetchcomms, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Paul-André Fortier - a page you tagged - because: The article has been expanded since you tagged it. I suspect it may be copyvio, but otherwise it is no longer a speedy candidate. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. JohnCD (talk) 22:08, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

  • Forget the "Please review the criteria... " bit in the above message - it is produced by CSDHelper, a script for handling speedies; I haven't used it to decline before and wanted to see what the message was, but it's clearly not appropriate for you! Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
    • I've removed the speedy tag. G12 is for situations "where there is no free-content material on the page worth saving" and that does not appear to be the case: not all the text is from the URL cited. Please be more careful in how you use G12 in the future. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:41, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Get Password 1 (computer virus)

Hi, Articles about software are not eligible for speedy deletion. In this case I considered PROD but think there is a slim chance of notability so I have tagged the article appropriately. --Pontificalibus (talk) 23:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Said Nursi


Thanks for your response regarding Said Nursi page. You're right, I've also checked Isaac Newton. It's very interesting coincidence :) Your suggestion is better than the previous one. Because, in the previous one, when somebody reads the first sentence, it is understand that Said Nursi is only the author for Kurdish origin. If we say Isaac Newton is a scientist of English origin, it doesn't make sense to us. It was the same at Said Nursi page. If you edit the article with your suggestion I appreciate that, because if I change it OnurtheAgha will undo the page again without any explanation. Thanking you... --Arslano (talk) 05:10, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Sax on the Web - restored speedy tag

I put back your speedy deletion tag on that article by restoring the version with your edit, but I'm not sure if that was the right way to do that. BTW, the Sax On The Web online forum is probably notable, but, indeed the article as it stands is pure copyvio self-promo. - Special-T (talk) 14:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


Still can't figure it out...Hey, I saw you are interested in userboxes...I invite you to come participate in WikiProject Userboxes. Or, you can ask me if you want me to personalize one for you...I like doing that. WHERE DO YOU LIVE? The Arbiter 02:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

The string of numbers you gave me was 3382.1672336527064,8-19506.21883273495
Is that right? The Arbiter 02:15, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Give me a hint! The Arbiter 02:19, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


yeah, thanks Fletcher :P  IShadowed  ✰  03:12, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

hah, I wonder who JC got it from  IShadowed  ✰  03:26, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
NO I DID NOT!!! :P  IShadowed  ✰  03:26, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Awwww don't be sad! I iz sorry!!  IShadowed  ✰  03:29, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Eh, are you okay?  IShadowed  ✰  03:34, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you need Wikipedia:WikiLove?  IShadowed  ✰  03:40, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Then you need to do only two things at once.  IShadowed  ✰  03:45, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Anytime, I just joined the love Cabal so.. yup  IShadowed  ✰  03:49, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Do you use blogger?  IShadowed  ✰  03:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Ah, yes, wordpress is epic.  IShadowed  ✰  23:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

You've been loved by IShadowed

Crystal Clear app package favourite.png Hey there! IShadowed has loved you by placing a heart icon in the top-right corner of your userpage. Don't worry, it's not vandalism, but simply a small way to spread the WikiLove. If you don't really like it, feel free to revert it and make it go away, and no hard feelings; after all, it's just a small token of appreciation. If you like it, just add your name here, but again, there's no need to feel upset if you don't. Love and best wishes,  IShadowed  ✰  03:45, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Chantilly forest

Thanks for the help. Actually, JPG-GR had deleted the page, and I am following up with ir. --Rpyle731talk 03:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)


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Re:Post new comment box

Hello. The box is called an InputBox. The syntax is fairly simple; you can view the source of my menu if you would like (though please do not make any edits to it). I put it there to reduce the number of unsigned, untitled and misplaced comments (including one which was posted at the top of my talk page). Intelligentsium 16:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Kevin florimonte

Just a heads up: The creator of Kevin florimonte blanked the page, implicitly requesting deletion and allowing speedy deletion per WP:CSD#G7. When that happens, don't revert, as you did, but tag the page with {{db-g7}}. Otherwise, keep up the good work! A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 22:26, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry for updating the search,"tibia" wrong.

My brother was showing me anyone could edit wikipedia, but i didnt think so, so i tried to prove it. (talk) 02:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Bango Art Footnote mistake, please help

Yes thank you as you can see I have been adding footnotes to an article about Artist Sean Corcoran. Could you help me. Everything was fine until I suddenly lost all visible References at the bottom. I do not know why and a Cite Error has come up that I do not understand and now you have put me back to square one after I have spent a lot of time doing my best. Please help, Bango Art...

Bango Art (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Swine Flu H1N1, and the best most relevant information we can find?


Unlike SARS or West Nile which struck me as mainly hype, H1N1 strikes me as potentially very serious indeed , and I have worked on this issue for the last six months. I have been frequently stymied by the overly formal style of wiki . . . I don't think we're giving parents our best work at all, and parents would be our most demanding readers. "Students writing papers" are likely to be among our least demanding readers, anything written in formal style's going to be acceptable whether it has glaring omissions or not.

I would ask you to consider this commitment: if I can demonstrate to a reasonable degree, civil standard, more likely than not, 51%, that quoting excerpts from WHO, in fact quoting rather long excerpts from WHO is allowable under fair use, can I count on you to welcome experiments in less formal style and less standing between the reader and the information?

I also want to look at news articles, for example:

Report Finds Swine Flu Has Killed 36 Children, New York Times, DENISE GRADY, September 3, 2009:
“ . . . In children without chronic health problems, it is a warning sign if they seem to recover from the flu but then relapse with a high fever, Dr. Frieden said. The relapse may be bacterial pneumonia, which must be treated with antibiotics. . . . ”

That's written in lively style. The only thing I would be doing is sanding it down. I would not be doing parents, or anyone else, a favor.

The hard part of it is that this is only 30% of it. The other 70% of severe cases is direct viral pneumonia. And that pattern is not as obvious, but we still need to talk about it, with the best information we can find. The topic is hard enough as it is.

Would you in fact be willing to take a good long look at fair use with me?

And copyright for the above NYTimes article? Well, we're doing it for education purposes. It's 41 words out of 609. And "nature of copyrighted work," another part of the four-part balancing test, it's from the New York Times, which does sell subscriptions, but it's way back from the beginning of September. We have not scooped them. If anything, if anything it seems to me that we have promoted their writer Denise Grady.

But there would be longer excerpts, shorter time horizons. And health articles probably do have a longer shelf life than pop culture articles.

Cool Nerd (talk) 00:25, 24 November 2009 (UTC) (reposted on my talk page)

Well, if wikipedia has a policy, that completely ends all rational discussion. I mean, the original founders of wiki were like Moses coming down from the mountain with stone tablets . . .
Actually, very ordinary individuals, just like you and I. As I understand it, wikipedia started with only two articles because the busy people the founder (Jimbo?) tried to assign articles to were not getting around to it. So, he opened it up. I'm sure he/we didn't anticipate the onslaught of pop culture articles, but we adapted. And we might need to adapt to an ongoing serious health situation. And I'm sure ol' Jimbo puts on his pants one leg at a time just like you and I.
Okay, so they is a wiki article on Janet Wood informing us that she's from Speedway, Indiana,etc, etc. Not the actress Joyce DeWitt, but the character Janet Wood. A whole article. (and for a really good laugh, check out the discussion page of 2009 flu pandemic.) Point is, all this, and your going to begrudge me a good healthy, roboust, substantial discussion of pneumonia ? ?
Clinical features of severe cases of pandemic influenza, WHO, Oct. 16, 2009: " . . . In severe cases, patients generally begin to deteriorate around 3 to 5 days after symptom onset. Deterioration is rapid, with many patients progressing to respiratory failure within 24 hours, requiring immediate admission to an intensive care unit. Upon admission, most patients need immediate respiratory support with mechanical ventilation. However, some patients do not respond well to conventional ventilatory support, further complicating the treatment. . . . "
And I'm going to improve it by rewriting it? For starters, I am not a doctor. Besides, this was the public statement of a big Oct. 14-16 conference WHO held at the headquarters of the American Health Organization in Washington, DC. "Findings and experiences were presented by around 100 clinicians, scientists, and public health professionals from the Americas, Europe, Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Oceania." Pretty big proceedings, and I'm going to rewrite it. I suspect it's a careful, measured statement. I'm likely to just louse it up.
So we can't cut and paste. We have to rewrite . . . so that we can practice our school skills of buffing and polishing? What if we just skip all this. Hey, you want to give me a good grade, you can give me a good grade and I'll graciously accept it.
There's a time to really take your time, maybe a traditional encyclopedic article on Voltaire, and really get it right and really pay attention to the writing (and the good news is that all writing develops transferrable skills, even if one is stuck in the most corporate of environments). And then there's a time to go fast.
In all seriousness, if we really do our best intellectual work and play our best game, we can maybe save several dozen lives. We should take that possibility very seriously. Cool Nerd (talk) 01:49, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the revision of the Helen Svedin article

Fair enough. I will try to find some kind of proof of the birthdate. I suppose the current birthdate, October 22nd 1976, was added to the article before proof was needed.

Yours Sidder64

Sidder64 (talk) 18:26, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you not read? Explanations for all edits in the explanation diaglog box for UHSA edits. Do not send empty complaints to my box.

Can you not read? Explanations for all edits in the explanation diaglog box for UHSA edits. Do not send empty complaints to my box. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superfix (talkcontribs) 23:55, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. I wonder what a "newmano" is? --JohnnyB256 (talk) 00:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah! I see. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 00:06, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey there, were you the guy who said he wanted Huggle? I see you've got it now. Cool, huh? --JohnnyB256 (talk) 00:10, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it? Here's the irony: vandals think, oh boy, I really am annoying these people. What they don't know is that all they are doing is giving people an addictive fun thing to do in their spare time. I mean, one mouse click is all you need, while they're the ones pecking away, wasting their time.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 00:19, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't really know why somebody would vandalize an article, knowing it will be there for one second. I guess the reason is that there are times when the vandalism is there for weeks. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 00:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

By the way, ever notice how sexually obsessed they are? Tells you something about them. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 00:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again for another revert. Turning over the vandal watch to you now, pal. My eyes are bugging out, and I am getting counter-obsessed! Take care, --JohnnyB256 (talk) 04:10, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


Thanks a lot for helping me.Leave Message, Yellow Evan home

The Last Great Tortoise Race

fyi, Twinkle appeared to mess up your AfD nomination of The Last Great Tortoise Race -- it didn't add the afd notice to the article, nor transclude the debate in the afd announcement log. (talk) 17:26, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

RE: U of W

Yes, I do indeed go to the University of Winnipeg. However, they decided to downgrade to a 64k connection or something; I can't connect to IRC. Sadface. m.o.p 20:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


I accept for you to wiki adopt me. Parker1297 (talk) 00:10, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I could use some help with creating a new wikiproject

I could use some help with creating a new wikiproject here is the link: User:Parker1297/Sandbox/Wikipedia:WikiProject NASA

Parker1297 (talk) 00:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes I do need help with templates like the assesment. Parker1297 (talk) 00:52, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done Parker1297 (talk) 01:34, 26 November 2009 (UTC) THANK YOU Parker1297 (talk) 02:00, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I guess i could use an ad. Parker1297 (talk) 02:36, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Well i dont know how do do it but it could have like um uh shuttle lifting off in it. Parker1297 (talk) 22:28, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Good times...

Fun times on IRC, huh? The Arbiter 03:18, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Adminship nomination

Do you accept nomination to be an admin?

Parker1297 (talk) 22:46, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

ok i understand ;) Parker1297 (talk) 22:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Fleury

Fletcher, I have no idea what you meant by most of that, but I did review the article and expand the citation with full info. Thanks  IShadowed  ✰  00:02, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

There's a lot easier way to cite. Go to your preferences and then to gadgets and check the editing tool box about the citation. Yeah, I read the notice, but forgot... I have more important things on my mind :p  IShadowed  ✰  00:09, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
I need to talk to you (not on your talk page). IRC please.  IShadowed  ✰  00:12, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Reply to wikiproject

Yeah sure you can modify the fonts and stuff. Thankyou very much :) ISmashed TALK! 15:49, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Ugawood

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Vector appearance

I use beta with Vector, and it suits me fine.

Please join my discussion (I do not understand what that is all for). Q0k (~~ ?) 09:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

No, thank you. I simply like this design and find it fin for my personal use. I think the "classic" design does not represent Wikipedia as what it is: an up-to-date online encyclopedia, not a bland, plain interface. We must move ahead, not stay in the past. If other popular sites looked like this, people would never go there. It's just plain boring. The vector skin gives the interface a nice look. -- fetchcomms 18:42, 28 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Q0k (talkcontribs)

Q0k, you can pick whichever style you like in the preferences. I don't see what all the fuss is about. We should have all styles available for everyone.-- fetchcomms 23:37, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Dripping springs

Re: this photo - looks nice, but see what it looks like if you punch up the saturation in your favorite photo-editing tool. I tried it in mine and it looks better. Reply here, I'll keep you watchlisted for a few days or until you answer. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 23:51, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, just what I was looking for. Anything else to note?-- fetchcomms 00:14, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Other than for commons images, use the best-resolution image you have. Oh, and categorize it. BTW, no harm in having both images on the commons if they are distinctly different visually. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 00:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Okey-dokey then. I'll work on it. Thanks!  fetchcomms 00:25, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


hey, sorry if I came across as advertising. I'm new to wikipedia. Could you please give me some suggestions on what to change? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks a ton in advance.

Marka25 (talk) 01:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


Design Barnstar.png The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Fetchcomms for his wonderful ad for WP:Incubator project. Ikip (talk) 02:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for taking time to answer my question about IP Addresses. MMS2013 01:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Type message title here (talk) 03:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

If you check,Peaches Geldof was educated at Queens College,London.What on earth is unconstructive about that?

Type message title here (talk) 03:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem,all the best.

Moplord359 Runescape change proposal

Moplord359 typing: Concerning my proposed change to the runescape page concerning tutorial island, you said I needed a source. This is not possible as there was no journalism concerning the change, although many players left online comments. However, these cannot be considered reliable sources. Where could I possibly source the change as it is in-game?

Moplord359 (talk) 03:34, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Runescape change

I added the best possible source... please make the edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moplord359 (talkcontribs) 03:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully final change

I have made another edit to the Runescape page... the link obviously goes to a fan-site. The question is now whether or not this site is a valid source, as it is open-sourced media.--Moplord359 (talk) 04:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

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