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Ways to improve National Liberation Front of South Vietnam army

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Hanam190552 (talk)thank you for blocking the account, It was not created by meHanam190552 (talk)

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Information icon Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Hanam190552 reported by User:Mztourist regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Mztourist (talk) 03:52, 13 October 2015 (UTC) Hanam190552 (talk)Sorry, because I am a newbie on the Wikipedia, I do not know how to discuss with you Hanam190552 (talk)Please, remove that Notice Hanam190552 (talk)Thank you so much[reply]

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Merger discussion for National Liberation Front of South Vietnam army

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An article that you have been involved in editing—National Liberation Front of South Vietnam army —has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Mztourist (talk) 05:28, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hanam190552 (talk)Thank you for starting a discussion with me.

Hanam190552 (talk)In official opinion of Vietnam and Vietnamese, the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam or Viet Cong is a politcal organisation in the south of Vietnam.

Hanam190552 (talk)In the 1973 Paris Conference on the peace of Vietnam, which started in 1968, the Viet Cong took part in as a government in South Vietnam.

Hanam190552 (talk)The 1973 Conference recognized the equallly legistimate status between the Viet Cong and the Republic of Vietnam or the South Vietnam in American documents.

Hanam190552 (talk)The Viet Cong and the Republic of Vietnam were considered as governments in South Vietnam

Hanam190552 (talk)The Viet Cong, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam of North Vietnam in American documents and the Republic of Vietnam were conseidered as governments in Vietnam. According to the 1973 accords of peace in Vietnam. The Viet Cong and the Republic of Vietnam would establish a regional united government by a regional general election in South Vietnam before establishing a national government by a national general election in Vietnam.

Hanam190552 (talk)However, the Republic of Vietnam or the South Vietnam in American documents violated the agreements by Campaign of territory arrograting in 1973 after siging the agreement.

Hanam190552 (talk)In addition, The Democratic Republic of Vietnam is a constitutional government. After the August Revolution in Vietnam, the temporary government of Viet Minh was established. In January 1946, the Viet Minh and other parties in Vietnam hosted the first general election in Vietnam to establish the government of the DRV and the 1st National Assembly of Viet Nam Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).


Hanam190552 (talk)According to the AGREEMENT ON THE CESSATION OF HOSTILITIES IN VIET-NAM, JULY 20, 1954, The Conference recognizes that the essential purpose of the agreement relating to Viet-Nam is to settle military questions with a view to ending hostilities and that the military demarcation line should not in any way be interpreted as constituting a political or territorial boundary. The Conference expresses its conviction that the execution of the provisions set out in the present declaration and in the agreement on the cessation of hostilities creates the necessary basis for the achievement in the near future of a political settlement in Viet-Nam.[1].

Hanam190552 (talk)Accrording to the Article 15(a) of the Agreement on Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Vietnam, signed in Paris and entered into force January 17, 1973., The military demarcation line between the two zones at the 17th parallel is only provisional and not a political or territorial boundary, as provided for in paragraph 6 of the Final Declaration of the 1954 Geneva Conference[2]. Hanam190552 (talk)

Hanam190552 (talk)The Article 1 of the Paris Peace Accords also says that: "The United States and all other countries respect the independence, sovereignty, unity, and territorial integrity of Viet-Nam as recognized by the 1954 Geneva Agreements on Viet-Nam".[3]

Hanam190552 (talk)Therefore, Repubic of Viet Nam, Viet Cong and Democratic Republic of Viet Nam are considered as goverments or regimes in Vietnam, not as countries or nations.

Hanam190552 (talk)Besides that, I think we should reach a consensus on the definition of INVASION.

Hanam190552 (talk)In my opion, INVASION in the foreign relations means the incursion of an army for conquest by NATIONS of COUNTRIES. Therefore, INVASIONS only occurs between NATIONS. In current time, You cannot say that the Free Syrian Army is invading the Syria of Bashar al-Assad's regime. Or, You cannot say that "in the American Civil War, the United States invaded the Confederate States of America. Ofcourse, our war in Vietnam, my home is different to those two wars I have listed. Those two war are two civil war and the war in Vietnam is a war of ressitance because of the disallowed deployment of the US army in Vietnam

Hanam190552 (talk)So, there is not any invasion between North Vietnam (Democratic Republic of Viet Nam) and South Vietnam (Repubic of Viet Nam and Viet Cong) because they are not countries or nations. They are governments of one country, Vietnam in this case.

Hanam190552 (talk)The deployments of the US army in Viet Nam violated the UN Charter because the United Nations Security Council had not allowed the deployment of the US. Besides that, The deployments of the US army in Viet Nam did not be accepted by any governments in Viet Nam. The deployment of the US army violated articles in the AGREEMENT ON THE CESSATION OF HOSTILITIES IN VIET-NAM, JULY 20, 1954 of prohibiting foreign interfrence to Viet Nam.

Hanam190552 (talk)After the collapse of Repubic of Viet Nam, Viet Cong and Democratic Republic of Viet Nam joinedly hosted a free and democratic general election in 1976 in order to establish Socialist Republic of Vietnam., which refers to Article 9(b) of the Agreement on Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Vietnam, signed in Paris and entered into force January 17, 1973.

Hanam190552 (talk)The People's Liberation Armed Forces of South Vietnam (PLAF) or National Liberation Front of South Vietnam army is a military of Viet Cong.

Hanam190552 (talk)The PLAF had a equallly legistimate status with the status of Republic of Vietnam Military Forces

Hanam190552 (talk)We cannot merge this article to another

Hanam190552 (talk)I am intending to change the name of this article to Viet Cong's army-People's Liberation Armed Forces of South Vietnam (PLAF). Can you help me.

Hanam190552 (talk)Thank you so much.

  • Hi Hanam190552. I noticed you were trying to discuss the merger on your talk page. The discussion is actually going on at this link so no one there will see your posts. Also, please try to keep your posts concise. Multiple separate posts like you have above just make it hard for people to follow what you are saying and can be seen by some as being disruptive. Cheers. JbhTalk 12:53, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.tranxuanan-writer.net/Home/danh-muc-tac-pham-txa/tieu-luan-2/bai32/tu-lieu2-pluc
  2. ^ https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/vietnam/treaty.htm
  3. ^ https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/vietnam/treaty.htm

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Hello, Hanam190552. You have new messages at Talk:Viet Cong.
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Cut & paste moves

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Hello Hanam. I saw you attemped to move North Vietnamese parliamentary election, 1946 to 1946 Vietnamese National Assembly election by cutting and pasting. This is not allowed; if you want to move the article you must use the move tab at the top of the page. If this doesn't work, you have to use the WP:RM process. However, the title you moved it to is a violation of our naming guideline WP:NC-GAL#Elections and referendums, so any attempt to move the article to that title is almost certain to fail. Thanks, Number 57 16:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should let the name is 1946 Vietnamese National Assembly election because the election was held in all of the north and the south of Vietnam. If you let it North Vietnamese parliamentary election, 1946, i think readers will meet confussions. Why the election was held in the national wide but its's name is belong to the northHanam190552 (talk) 16:31, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If it was held in both halves of the country, then the appropriate title would be Vietnamese parliamentary election, 1946. However, is this really the case? The Nohlen book says "Direct national elections were first held in 1946 on the territory controlled by the DRV." - i.e. only in North Vietnam. Number 57 16:42, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The parliament in Vietnam is different from parliament in the US or the UK. The parliament in Vietnam has only the lower house (house of representative) and it is called as the National Assembly. Secondly, I aggree that the election was held in the territory controlled by the DRV but you should know that in 1946, the DRV controlled over 95% of Vietnamese territory, French colonist has only less than 5%. I am sure about this informationHanam190552 (talk) 16:52, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have reworded the article to state the territorial control. Please don't use biased phrases like "unpatriotic" though. Number 57 16:54, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In the 1948 interview, Hồ Chí Minh said: French army occupied some cities, such as Hue, Ha Noi, Hai Phong and some other areas but 95% is belong to Government of Vietnam - Gorverment of the DRV. (Kết quả quân Pháp chiếm đóng những thành phố như Huế, Hà Nội, Hải Phòng và một vài nơi khác. Nhưng 95% lãnh thổ Việt Nam vẫn ở dưới quyền Chính phủ Việt Nam)[1]. You can use Google translate if you cannot speak in Vietnamese.
Can you suggest me some ideas. I think "supporters" cannot express the nature of those Vietnamese. They let their private benefits over the national interest of Vietnam, including national independenceHanam190552 (talk) 17:03, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
With regards to the claim of Hồ Chí Minh, I don't think his statement can be considered a reliable source, as he would have had a clear bias/agenda. If an uninvolved source states this, then that would be fine.
With regards to the other issue, I think "French colonial authorities and Vietnamese sympathisers" is probably the best way of wording it. However, is this claim supported by any unbiased sources? The source I have makes it quite clear that this was not a democratic election. Number 57 17:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, please stop reinserting false claims to the article – this was not the first election in Vietnam. Please stop editing the article until some appropriate wording can be agreed. If you attempt to restore your edits again, I will report you for edit warring. Thanks, Number 57 17:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
how can you prove that the election did not happen in all localities of Vietnam? The result was collected in all areas. With regards to the other issue, you should write that French colononist and Vietnamese sympathy with French colononist. Because French colonial authorities was ousted by Japanese colonial authorities in March, 1945. French accepted to bring Vietnam to Japanese. Việt Minh (not French) was the main force fighted against Japanese. After the Vietnamese August Revolution (Việt Minh ousted Japanese colonial authorities), Viet Minh controled all of the country
It was the first election in Vietnam. Can you find anaother first election in Vietnam? How can you prove that the first one was not the 1946 oneHanam190552 (talk) 17:21, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there were elections to the Colonial Council for decades before 1946. See some information about the 1939 elections here and here. Further information on previous elections here. Regarding the other claims, you need to provide sources. Also, you were introducing contradictory information into the article stating that voter turnout was 75% and 82% – it can't have been both. Number 57 17:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hanam190552 (talk) 17:38, 13 November 2015 (UTC)Oh, your resoures do not say that Vietnamese people had the rights to vote. So it is not an election of Vietnam and they were elections of French colonistHanam190552 (talk) 17:38, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, Vietnamese people were allowed to vote (see here), and secondly, even if voting was limited to French citizens, they were still elections in Vietnam. I think the point you are trying to make is that hey were the first elections under full universal suffrage. Number 57 17:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, those elections was for voting local administration in France. According to Treaty of Huế (1884), Cochichina was a part of France so those elections were French local elections, not Vietnam's elections.

Secondly, it is said that electorate for these elections was small and restricted to Vietnamese aldready having connection to colonial goverment. It means that only small part of Vietnamese has rights to vote. So I think we should reach consensus with writing that the 1946 election was the first election, in which all of Vietnamese citizens had rights to vote.Hanam190552 (talk) 04:24, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, you are entirely wrong in your first statement. They were for the Colonial Council, the body responsible for Cochinchina. There were also indeed elections to the French National Assembly, but these were separate. Your second statement is correct, but this is simply repeating what I said above – i.e. that the 1946 elections were the first under universal suffrage.
Also, if you revert again on the elections template, I will report you for edit warring. Your edits to the template are unacceptable for the following reasons:
  • You are removing the links to Cochinchina elections.
  • You are inserting an incorrect link to the 1946 elections
  • You are inserting incorrect names for North and South Vietnam. There is no article on Democratic Republic of Vietnam or Republic of Vietnam The two are redirects to North and South Vietnam respectively.
Please stop this. Thanks, Number 57 16:04, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, you must be aware that recreating 1946 Vietnamese National Assembly election is unacceptable when it is a duplicate article. Again, if you attempt to recreate this article, I will request that you be blocked for being disruptive. Number 57 16:15, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot say that the 1946 was a North Vietnam election because is was held in national wide and your information was wrong, I listed in Talk:North Vietnamese parliamentary election, 1946. And there were 403 seats not 302 in the first National Assemnly, the figures is from Vietnam National Assembly website. Hanam190552 (talk) 16:34, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My information is an academic text edited by one of the world's foremost experts on elections. I have seen your list, but I cannot find your source (one is Vietnamese Wikipedia, which is not acceptable) and one is a link that doesn't work (http://www.quochoi.vn/htx/Vietnamese/C1454/?cateid=1701).
But anyway, I see you have decided to restore the article over a redirect, so I will be requesting that you are blocked. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Hanam190552 reported by User:Number 57 (Result: ). Number 57 16:45, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hanam190552 (talk) 17:08, 14 November 2015 (UTC)But my information is official, truth and unbiasHanam190552 (talk) 17:08, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ http://bqllang.gov.vn/tin-tuc/tin-tong-hop/1378-nh-ng-cu-c-tr-l-i-ph-ng-v-n-bao-chi-c-a-bac-h-ph-n-3.html
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I mean Ninh Thuận Province, Thank youHanam190552 (talk) 14:46, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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