User talk:Howard the Duck/Archive24

Double ITN for Philippine Senate election, 2010 and Philippine House of Representatives elections, 2010

--HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:52, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Formal Invitation to BLP Noticeboard

Hi Howard! I am inviting you to join the discussions here. Here is the link. I am trying to prove to the #1 Soriano critic (whom you've clashed with during the AFD of Daniel Razon article) that the lead section of the Eliseo Soriano article is POV and more importantly, libelous. 180.191.66.131 (talk) 03:13, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd only be involved in an AFD or if someone renames the article to a funky name. –Howard the Duck 03:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Please join the BLP noticeboard and I hope you'll vote for the rewrite of the POV lead of the article. Anti-Shannon Rose (talk) 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Another "Fishy" AfD

The Ang Dating Doon article is currently nominated for deletion.Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ang Dating Doon Feel free to vote. 120.28.64.72 (talk) 04:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

File:2010PhilippinePresidentialElection.png

There seems to be a problem on the colors, especially with Villar and Teodoro. If you may, please change the colors to the ones they used in the campaign trail. [Orange and Green, respectively] Also, please fix the graphics for the color legend, it's too stuffy for the light graphics of the picture, also remove the lines that connect to island in Cagayan Province and other places, and please make the Absentee Voting indication more independent compared to the legend, ig's too sticky.

In the end, I thank you for a very good and detailed coverage of the Philippine general election, 2010. I hope you keep it up on the 2013 and the 2016 elections.

Thanks, and more power

Ayyah tubby (talk) 06:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, we'd use party colors (different from the candidate's campaign colors) to make them synchronized with other electoral maps (such as 1992 and 2004). –Howard the Duck 07:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Camp O'Donnell on Bataan Death March map

Hello, Howard.

Could you add Camp O'Donnell to the map you made of the Bataan Death March? I would try, but it would take me forever. Thanks. Kenatipo (talk) 21:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

It's on Capas. –Howard the Duck 03:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Suspicious motives and dirty tricks?

Shannon Rose, whom you've debated against in the AfD of Daniel Razon article, is now placing the Ang Dating Doon article in AfD. I think I know why, the latter article is currently being used as a debate piece in the BLP of Soriano. I've placed that article in the BLP "debate" as an example on how Soriano's TV show was already famous back in the '90s because it is being parodied by Bubble Gang. Now, SR is trying to delete the article. I'm supposed to assume good faith, but her constant criticism of the subject has made me assume bad faith. Kudos! Trust me, it's notable (talk) 07:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

You'd just have to do what you think is right. –Howard the Duck 07:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Congressional canvass for the Philippine presidential election, 2010

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Congressional canvass results by province for presidential election of 1998 and vice presidential election of 1998 and 2004

Hello and good day, You have uploading the results of the congressional canvass results by province for presidential election of 1998 and vice presidential election of 1998 and 2004 through map. May I ask a favor to post the congressional canvass results by province through number of votes here in Wikipedia or you can give me the complete data through my e-mail address; josephs_dagreat@yahoo.com. Thank you.--Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 11:24, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I got them from the ABS-CBN News website, but some are incomplete, and only the winning candidates are shown. –Howard the Duck 11:25, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

University of Santo Tomas Seals and Emblems

Maybe one or two years ago, I made the article - University of Santo Tomas Seals and Emblems. Though the article did encounter some copyright problems on its photos, the article was able to be on the stream for a while. Just when I thought everything was already good, a user who goes by the name USTengineering07 or something edited the article to deletion. Months after, a similar article was created, only to have the same fate as the first one. According to the Wiki Editors, the second article was deleted because it was created too similar to the first one and it, too, had the same copyright problems.

So now, I'm planning to revive the article but I'm just worried that it'll have the same predicaments. I'm thinking of getting the format from the Wiki Articles on flags or US States.

Could you help me put the issue in the right order? Where do you think should I start? Thanks. :)Pampi1010 (talk) 03:40, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Those references you should be using must come from outside UST to satisfy the third-party sources rule. –Howard the Duck 03:42, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Could we still recover the article? Actually, a lot of the photos of the college logos were from the individual articles here in Wiki. Isn't that enough? Though there were also some references aside from the Wiki sources. The copyright problems arose because of that stupid user USTengineering07.Pampi1010 (talk) 03:53, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think any edits would make it appear it was a lot different the deleted one. –Howard the Duck 04:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Well thanks for the fast replies.  :) Pampi1010 (talk) 04:15, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Last one, would I encounter any problems if I also use the photos particularly the college logos from the individual colleges?Pampi1010 (talk) 04:56, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Read WP:FU. –Howard the Duck 05:01, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer

Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC).

Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under flagged protection. Flagged protection is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial.

When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Wikipedia:Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here.

If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:08, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I dunno if I'd be using it but I'll keep it. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 00:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

ITN for Nauruan parliamentary election, June 2010

--HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit war

Hello. You appear to be involved in an edit war on V-League 7th Season 2nd Conference. While the three-revert rule is hard and fast, please be aware that you can be blocked for edit warring without making 3 reverts to an article in 24 hours. You are not entitled to 3 reverts and are expected to cooperatively engage other editors on talk pages rather than reverting their edits. Note that posting your thoughts on the talk page alone is not a license to continue reverting. You must reach consensus. Continued edit warring may cause you to be blocked. Toddst1 (talk) 07:55, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but s/he/it won't answer. So what should I do? Let him/her/it do him/her/it's thing? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 07:57, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

You tell me: you're a rollbacker and have been using that privilege in this edit war. Toddst1 (talk) 07:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but that's vandalism when you/it don't explain your/it's edits. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 08:00, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

You need to read up on WP:Vandalism and you should have already been familiar with the ins and outs of WP:Rollback. I've removed your rollback privs as you clearly don't understand when and why to use them and when and why to not use them. Toddst1 (talk) 08:03, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I can't understand if an edit is constructive if he/she/it doesn't provide reasons. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 08:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

And as such, you can't assume that it is vandalism either. Remember WP:AGF. Toddst1 (talk) 08:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I can't AGF either when he/she/it won't communicate. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 08:07, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not making this stuff up. From WP:Vandalism:

"Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. Vandalism cannot and will not be tolerated. Common types of vandalism are the addition of obscenities or crude humor, page blanking, and the insertion of nonsense into articles.

Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Even harmful edits that are not explicitly made in bad faith are not vandalism. ..."

Toddst1 (talk) 08:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't fall on either "good faith" or "bad faith" edit. It's "I don't know faith" since the IP doesn't respond. I can't judge any edit as good- or bad-faith if the user is like a wall. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 08:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not making this up either:

"Unless there is clear evidence to the contrary, assume that people who work on the project are trying to help it, not hurt it."

What I see is a clear evidence of turning that article into a stats dump. If you don't call that a stats dump, then I don't know what is a stats dump. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 08:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome to appeal this at WP:ANI. Toddst1 (talk) 08:21, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Yay. More drama for such a simple problem. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 08:22, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

BTW, thanks for still protecting the article. If you don't mind can you add Category:2010 in the Philippines and Category:Shakey's V-League. Thanks.

ITN for Flag of Malawi

--HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:58, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for UAAP Season 73 basketball tournaments

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Provinces of the Philippines

I do not intend to move the provinces from "X" to "X (province)" in general. But I want that links are explicit. E.g. Special:WhatLinksHere/Leyte is a mess. Most links refer to Leyte Island, but also quite a lot to Leyte Province, which is a part of the island. Schwyz (talk) 17:34, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The redirects were bad. In the Philippines, the primary disambiguation is always the province, especially in contexts such as place of birth, etc. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 17:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

But WP is more than places of birth. See: Special:WhatLinksHere/Leyte. Schwyz (talk) 17:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, and perhaps 90% of those refer to the "political unit" rather than the island per se. The only WP:PRIMARY topic for Leyte Island is for prehistory and geologic events including typhoons and on contexts that refer to the island as a whole such as wars. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 17:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Your edit at AN/I

Your edit here removed a comment of mine from AI/I, I'm sure accidentally and I've restored it already, but please be more careful next time.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 19:43, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I had 2 edit conflicts. Sorry. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:14, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

It happens to the best of us. I've done it more than a few times. Toddst1 (talk) 04:51, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

The internets was especially slow last night. If an edit was bypassed it should've been registered as an edit conflict but something screwed up. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 10:47, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:San Beda Red Lions logo.jpg

Thank you for uploading File:San Beda Red Lions logo.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the file. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have created in your upload log.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Eeekster (talk) 22:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Jeez. I wonder how much little it would've spent you if you just slapped it with {{Non-free logo}} compared to editing like 2 pages. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Having read your report on ANI, I think you might be interested in this page. -DePiep (talk) 10:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd probably chime in if there are several responses already. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 13:35, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

ITN for 2010 Manila hostage crisis

--HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Tony Chua

Hi. I would like to bring up the issue of the article being categorized as "Filipino footballer". The article fails Wikipedia:Notability (sports) for association football and therefore cannot be categorized as a footballer. I understand you bring up the case of Jay Berwanger but that article still pases WP:Notability (sports) for American football. Being notable for American includes notability arising from their college football days. That guideline does not apply to association football. Banana Fingers (talk) 10:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

The cited link is for creation of articles, not for how articles should be categorized. Considering the Philippines has no professional league that has lasted for a long time means that the standards for other countries won't necessarily have to be used.

This link states he played high school and varsity (college) football, plus he was the coach of the national women's team means this more than satisfies whatever criteria that will be used. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 11:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

It should still apply because in this case, it's a biography of someone who has had several careers. Notability should be determined for each career to determine what category they fall under. Take the example in Wikipedia:Categorization_of_people#General_considerations under "Limit the number", a film actor who holds a law degree should be categorized as a film actor, but not as a lawyer unless his or her legal career was notable in its own right. If that was applied to this article, Tony Chua, then it needs to be determined if his footballing days was notable. And under WP:Notability (sports) for association football, he clearly fails. He may have played high school and college football but he just falls under as a youth player and youth players aren't notable. And just because you are/were a football coach, it doesn't mean you are a football player should be categorized as such. Banana Fingers (talk) 13:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

The film actor who is a lawyer isn't really comparable with the case of this guy. Acting and law are two completely different fields. Playing football, and coaching football, well, you always see interaction between a coach and a player when they're at their jobs, lawyers and actors not much, unless it's a legal drama.

As for "limit the number," considering there are only five categories I don't see why we should be "limiting the number." I'd agree for example if there were like more than 10 categories (which is not uncommon). Now if you'll remove that, that leaves one other category, PBA executives, that described how he lived, and he was more than that; maybe it was his connection to football that's how he got the job.

College (varsity) sports practitioners aren't exactly "youth players", especially in the Philippine context which follows the American sports structure of high school -> college -> professional as opposed to the rest of the world of scholastic -> youth (as in an under-age bracket) side of a professional team -> full-time professional. And in the case of the Philippines, the collegiate leagues serve as the de facto highest level of football considering the professional leagues are virtually nonexistent, and most football clubs are amateur. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 13:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

According to the Letran Knights article, Chua, after graduating, became the first Filipino to play in the "Japanese Football League;" considering his age, it might mean the Japan Soccer League. It's uncited but it could be true. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 14:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I was only using that actor-lawyer as an example, as obviously there are very little categories on the article and there is no need to lessen it. What do you mean "he lived as an executive"? OK, so he was a former PBA executive, now what? And you even say "MAYBE" when you try to connect his position as executive to football, which means you're assuming. You shouldn't assume things. But let's say you're right and football was related with him getting the executive position, it still doesn't make him a footballer. Regarding the structure of sports in the Philippines. Again, so what? It doesn't matter if it's patterned after the USA, Europe, Africa, or anywhere else, the fact is, and you even say it yourself, there is no professional football in the Philippines. Therefore, his footballing days isn't notable. It's also why there's hardly any coverage of other Filipino footballers on Wikipedia or including the other lesser footballing nations because their football isn't professional and an article about a player from those countries fails notability, unless they played for their national team. There has been football leagues in the Philippines in the past, even if they are amateur. So to say that college level is already the highest level of football is absurd. And finally about the Letran article mentioning him as a Japan Football League player, it's uncited. The entire article is unreferenced and unless there's a reference for it than it's a false claim. If it were true then it would've been mentioned by a news source when reporting of his death because that would've been pretty significant in his career and in terms of Philippine football in general. Like I said before, he should just be put in the Category:Filipino sportspeople instead of being specifically put in the Category:Filipino footballers. Banana Fingers (talk) 12:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, there goes WP:CSB. The thing is, I've been looking for the truth of this but I can't find anything. Possibly because the Japan Soccer League was pretty much the state of Philippine football today, only better: it was a quasi-professional league, ergo, it's not that high of a level. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be putting Japanese footballers who played solely on that league and not elsewhere the category for Japanese footballers.

" Filipino footballers on Wikipedia or including the other lesser footballing nations because their football isn't professional and an article about a player from those countries fails notability." Whoopeedoo. The people at WP:CSB are sobbing this very minute.

"So to say that college level is already the highest level of football is absurd." You obviously don't know what you're taking about, don't you? Dapitan FC players are former UST Growling Tigers players who are now graduates and have day jobs and play football just for fun. Same for Diliman FC and the UP Fighting Maroons, Mendiola United F.C. and the San Beda Red Lions, Ateneo FC and the Ateneo Blue Eagles; the various military branches also have their own "amateur" teams (hence names such as "Army FC," "Air Force FC," etc. I'd even say the level of play of the varsity team is higher since the college players play in a real league, and the "amateur" only play when there is a tournament (this is like the lower levels of English football where the club made up of taxi drivers made it to the last stages of the FA Cup). As a matter of fact, varsity teams have won in the PFF National Men's Open Championship!

"unless there's a reference for it than it's a false claim." Nope. Wikipedia is not after the truth. It wants verifiable references. What is not uncited may be true or may not be false. We can not be sure it is not true in the simple reason that is uncited. I've already started digging through this and contacted people from Letran maybe they can shed light on to this.

It's pretty sad and pathetic you are actually removing content in an already sparse subject matter, Filipino football. We should be adding more to this subject matter, not deleting it. I would not answer anymore to further inquiries; if you still insist on this, go ask for a third party so we can resolve this. Unless there is consensus for removing that category, it should stay. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 12:47, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

If it actually helps, varsity teams did participate in the a recent season. and varsity players are members of the national team roster. To varsity football, is at least, participates in the highest level. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 13:23, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

LOL!! Players may play for college teams but those competition you are mentioning are not college competitions which is the difference! Unless there is proof that he has played in the one of those tournaments of the PFF national championship and/or the national team then he's only played at college level. I'm not trying to get the category from his page removed, I'm just trying to get it replaced because he clearly isn't notable as a footballer and being in the category:filipino sportspeople is a better fit since it also covers him being a national team coach and vice president of the PFF! As I've said before, Chua being a "footballer" would be like saying Obama is a basketball player since your arguement of Jay Berwanger has already been dismissed! Banana Fingers (talk) 13:44, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

LOL right back. Those college teams played as college teams in a non-college tournament, ergo, they're college teams.

"he clearly isn't notable as a footballer" LOL again. If he wasn't notable as a footballer, why do articles say he was a played football before? If he wasn't notable as a football player, then they could've not said it on the articles about him. He was notable for two things: being a basketball team manager, and as a football player-turned-coach.

" arguement of Jay Berwanger has already been dismissed!" How many LOLs can I have for today? LOL. So yes, go ahead on using criteria derived from how sports are organized in other countries, apply those standards in the Philippines, which are not organized that way. If anything, how the U.S. organizes sport is similar to how Philippine sport is organized, hence the correlation. Applying Wikipedia:Notability (sports) for association football in Philippine context is like applying Wikipedia:Notability (sports) for American football in a country such as Egypt. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 13:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

P.S.: There should be ZERO articles on the top level-Category:Filipino sportspeople; they all have to be in the different sub-forums, except for instances where a subcategory of a sport has to be created (such, as for example, Category:Filipino curlers). –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 14:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

"The PFF said he played before" Played in what exactly?? And when? Who did you get in touch with? And how am I suppose to know your not BSing me with what you're saying? Like you also said, info on Wikipedia needs verifiable sources and you claiming that "the PFF said...." isn't much. Banana Fingers (talk) 20:58, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not BSing you. I dunno if I can go to the PFF. I dunno if they even keep records. For the meantime there's no consensus to remove that category, or replace it with the sportspeople category, since the latter should just be composed of subcategories and must not have articles. If you still insist, please use other methods of dispute resolution. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 05:28, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Bit of help?

Hey there. I need a bit of help trying to get Wikipedia policy on non-free imagery like File:BBC.co.uk.jpg through to User talk:Ranel5310, who doesn't seem that proficient in English. Could you help with trying to explain to him in Tagalog? Cheers! Strange Passerby (talk) 06:40, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Seems that his misunderstanding of policy on this (and his unilateral move of Manila hostage crisis), for which I warned him, has caused him to take a knee-jerk retirement. I don't doubt we'd be losing a possible good contributor, judging from some of his other edits, so perhaps you could also help try to explain why I had to revert his move and put the file up for FFD. Thanks! Strange Passerby (talk) 06:46, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think he'll be coming back. Inform me if he does make edits in the future. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 10:25, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

All right, fair enough, thanks. Strange Passerby (talk) 10:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I've been informed that he created a (since speedied) long-term abuse report against me today, so I doubt he's gone just yet. Strange Passerby (talk) 05:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Drama queens. They're everywhere. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 05:10, 2 September 2010 (UTC)