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WikiCup 2018 November newsletter

The WikiCup is over for another year! Our Champion this year is Courcelles (submissions), who over the course of the competition has amassed 147 GAs, 111 GARs, 9 DYKs, 4 FLs and 1 ITN. Our finalists were as follows:

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WikiCup 2019 March newsletter

And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2. With 56 contestants qualifying, each group in Round 2 contains seven contestants, with the two leaders from each group due to qualify for Round 3 as well as the top sixteen remaining contestants.

Our top scorers in Round 1 were:

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The following improvements need to be made to the page for Vicente Gonzalez (politician)

Information needs to be updated. The current information holds sources that support this update. All other updates can be sourced through resources from Vicente Gonzalez's congressional website: https://gonzalez.house.gov/

If I am not "allowed" to make these changes on a website that promotes the ability to do so, then please direct me to whoever can make these changes. If not, I will continue to push for these changes (which are verifiable), until the changes are made.

Requested changes below:

Early life, education, and early career

Gonzalez was born in Corpus Christi, Texas in 1967[2] to [Olga Cantu] and [Vicente Gonzalez], a Korean War veteran and U.S. Merchant Marine. Gonzalez attended Roman Catholic School in Corpus Christi for part of his primary education, but eventually dropped out of high school during his junior year. He went onto obtain a G.E.D. and returned to school by enrolling at Del Mar Junior College where he received an Associate’s Degree in Banking and Finance.[3][4]

In 1992, Gonzalez received his Bachelor of Science degree in aviation business administration from the Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University on the Corpus Christi Naval Air Station. After high school, and throughout college, Gonzalez traveled to almost 100 countries around the world.

In 1996, Gonzalez obtained his Juris Doctor from Texas Wesleyan University School of Law (now Texas A&M University School of Law) in Fort Worth, Texas. While a law student, he interned for then Congressman Solomon P. Ortiz (D-TX-27). He trained in Negotiation at Harvard Law School [in Cambridge, Massachusetts]. In 1997, he founded the law firm, V. Gonzalez & Associates, in McAllen, Texas. He is a member of the Bar Associations of Texas and New York.[5]

As an attorney, Gonzalez successfully recovered millions in proceeds for businesses, homeowners and public schools throughout the country. His professional successes prompted an invitation to join the prestigious Million Dollar & Multi-million Dollar Advocates Forum, a membership reserved for less than one percent of American attorneys.

Gonzalez's wife, Lorena Saenz Gonzalez, is a former educator and school administrator from McAllen, Texas.

Peter Handke edit

I did not engage in edit warring. I reverted his revert of my good-faith and objective addition only once, then requested page protection. I would like my addition to be restored and the editor to be prevented from changing it, as there is nothing inaccurate or malicious within my addition; in fact, it simply serves as further information on Hendke's page. Everything was properly cited and formated, to boot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gbabuch (talk • contribs) 23:11, 16 October 2109 (UTC)

@Gbabuch: The citations and formatting are not the issue here. The issue is neutrality. WP:CONTROVERSYSECTIONS violate neutrality by producing an undue emphasis on negative material. Also, that material has been relocated throughout the article, so that you are addiction of a controversy section is stating the controversial information twice. The other editors have mentioned this in their edit summaries. Therefore, your edit will not be reinserted. Any attempts on your part 2 reinsert it constitute edit warring, and may result in a block. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:18, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

WP:CONTROVERSYSECTION is an essay. Whether something adheres to NPOV is a content dispute, which should be resolved through a discussion. You cannot give mandates like "Therefore, your edit will not be reinserted".

Why not just tell everybody to go to the article talk page or WP:BLPN? There is a discussion at BLPN: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Peter Handke. One editor said "I don't think it's unreasonable that the controversies take up almost half Peter Handke". This was on 10 October, when there was a separate controversy section. Politrukki (talk) 02:07, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Reggie Bagala

Hello, I noticed that you helped to edit Bob Glanzer and Isaac Robinson's pages after they died from coronavirus. I am wondering if you would like to also help with Reggie Bagala who has also recently died from it. - Jon698 talk 2:41 10 April 2020

Tom Moore

Closed is an opinion. This was open for one day. Please tell me how this ITN has run its course. I am contesting the close and since I hadn't seen this ITN and wish to add I had reopened. Oddly enough this is what happens when a discussion is not allowed to run it's course. How many others have not seen this. I'd ask that you reopen this is in good faith and allow this to continue. Littleolive oil (talk) 18:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Littleolive oil, it was closed by an administrator and when an administrator closes something, it's closed. This is also the kind of story that has been nominated many times in the past and does not get consensus, which is why the thread was closed when it was closed. If you request the administrator who closed it, Stephen, to reopen it, I imagine he'll say the same thing I just said. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:13, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

No. I can contest an admin as well as I can any editor. There is zero reason to not let this play out a few days. And every story is different; we do not on Wikipedia judge something based on the presumption that it is like something else. This close and the subsequent removal of another editor's action, mine, is wrong and based on incorrect thinking: I can question an admin's move especially in this kind of situation. This is not to be judge based on some other ITN but on editor input-each ITN must stand or fail on its own merits. Editor input was closed down prematurely after one day based on the opinion of the closer. This is not a good scenario and I protest it strongly, and in fact feel quite ticked off not my usual state of mind. Littleolive oil (talk) 18:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Littleolive oil, at a minimum, it's bad form to undo the closure of a thread. I'm not sure if it's specifically against the rules. This is a parochial story with no broad interest It's not the kind of story ITN posts and therefore was a good close. Take it up with Stephen if you wish. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I will let this go. It's not worth the fight, But no it's not bad form to undue a close; I see it all the time and often the closer is willing to allow the undo to stand given a reopen indicates the close is contested. I repeat, this does not have to do with the presumptions about the ITN it has to do with allowing something to run its course with the input that comes with multiples users inputting information over time. Do you see that what you are doing is simply supporting your own opinion on the ITN; an individual opinion is not a definitive position or consensus. Consensus is when multiple interested editors input. There was no time for input because the ITN discussion was closed in one day... and opinion is not consensus. I'll let this go and assume your good faith. Best wishes. Littleolive oil (talk) 19:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

"I don't need to explain why I'm reverting your edit"

You think you are above the law? 2601:181:C381:6C80:D17B:421C:1FE2:2789 (talk) 18:30, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't need to explain why I revert vandalism, no. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Kaleb Cowart

No, I'm correct! Baseball America is correct! And only you are Wrong! Mlb.com always late but Kaleb Cowart is really a yankee. You can see it now!

I need u to re-add it, because it's your fault. Minor deal don't always look on only mlb.com's trans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 佾珜 (talk • contribs) 14:33, April 16, 2020 (UTC)

MLB.com is more accurate than Baseball America. If Cowart was signed with the Yankees, how come he didn't report to spring training? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:36, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

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Maybe yankees didn't invite him to major spring camp. But you can see Cowart's now mlb.com. Last December, he had already join the yankees.

And you can also see pages like milb.com or baseball-references.com. Thank for ur watch.

Cowart now just in yankees high-A club. Poor guy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 佾珜 (talk • contribs) 14:49, April 16, 2020 (UTC)

佾珜, you're right. MLB.com lists him with the Tampa Tarpons. I guess BA was right. Please sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~) in the future. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't know UTC time, so I don't know how to sign. 😢 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 佾珜 (talk • contribs) 15:17, April 16, 2020 (UTC)

@佾珜: I don't know UTC either. All you have to do is type the tilde (~) four times. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:58, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of 2009 Buffalo mayoral election for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2009 Buffalo mayoral election is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mayoral elections until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Wow (talk) 22:43, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Stephen Strasburg GAR notification

Stephen Strasburg, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.—Bagumba (talk) 06:13, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hunter Biden

How did I vandalize the page of Hunter Biden? I used reliable sources. Aceusa (talk) 20:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Aceusa, we've gone over this before. The mother of the child is not a notable person and WP:BLP does not support its inclusion. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:16, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Your reversion of my reversion of BD2412

Regarding your insistence that my edits be tagged with the Wikipedia equivalent of a scarlet letter[1], the administrator whose edit you reinstated, BD2412, recently vowed to focus his "admin activities elsewhere"[2] in a promise to Levivich. That promise was pushed aside within a week, in order to undermine views with which BD2412 apparently disagrees. You may recall that BD2412 made the perplexing decision to block any non-admin edits to Joe Biden's presidential campaign article until after the election was over, which was shortly overruled by another administrator (Iridescent). You defended BD2412's self-reinsertion into the Joe Biden space with the argument that the tags were "Added by an admin," and therefore appropriate. I also see that you reverted this edit that had already been reverted without gaining consensus on the talk page, which may violate the policies listed at the talk page: "If a change you make to this article is reverted, you may not reinstate that change unless you discuss the issue on the talk page and wait 24 hours." Does this policy not apply to talk pages? Also, are admins given certain powers to tag people's edits that are not available to the common editor? Please clarify. — Sockpuppet comment of a community banned user

Any of us could have added the SPA tag. SPECIFICO talk 19:39, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

All the more reason why it's strange that Muboshgu pointed to the fact that BD2412 is an admin to justify it. — Sockpuppet comment

SeriousIndividuals, exactly what SPECIFICO said. What BD2412 is or is not doing on that page is irrelevant. You are an WP:SPA and that template exists for a reason. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Neither SPECIFICO or you addressed anything I asked. Will you clarify the questions I asked? Is the board where BD2412 agreed to stay away from Joe Biden articles a better place to be asking these questions? — Sockpuppet comment

@SeriousIndividuals: Per the above, tagging SPAs is regular editing, not an administrative activity. However, I can't help noticing that you have only recently begun editing Wikipedia, but appear to have started with an uncanny familiarity with Wikipedia editing. I am wondering, since you did not use this account to participate in the ANI discussion to which you referred, which account did you use for that purpose? BD2412 T 19:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

As I pointed out, Muboshgu pointed to the fact that you're an "admin" to justify the editing, and implying that non-admin editors can't revert you. See the contradiction? You said you would direct your admin activities elsewhere, but then Muboshgu is telling people that you can't be reverted on Joe Biden articles because you're an admin. I didn't participate in that discussion. Anybody can view it. — Sockpuppet comment

The relevant factor is not that I am an administrator, but that I am an editor with fifteen years of experience in dealing with SPAs. Let me ask you directly, though, have you edited Wikipedia from any other accounts? BD2412 T 20:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

If it's not relevant, then why is Muboshgu using your admin status as a cudgel to intimidate me into not reverting your scarlet letter tagging and involvement in Joe Biden-related articles? In answer to your question, I edited anonymously until I created an account at the suggestion of others. I got sick of being tagged, which apparently didn't make a difference because the campaign continues. — Sockpuppet comment

I can't speak for Muboshgu's actions, but I doubt that very many people will find it plausible that you have up until now edited anonymously. Can you provide proof of this? Also, that does not specifically answer my question. Have you edited Wikipedia from any other accounts? BD2412 T 20:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

SeriousIndividuals, BD2412 is a respected member of the community here. You are right that they're being an admin is not what gives them the right to tag you as an SPA. It was easier for me to say than to say that they have 15 years experience here (since I didn't know the length of time). – Muboshgu (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

So just so I have this right, there is no policy saying that I can't remove tags under my name? I don't like that and I view it as an attempt to undermine views with which BD2412 disagrees. I don't have the time to do this all day, but if I remove the tags, will you just re-add them again and keep going in circles until someone gets tired? — Sockpuppet comment

The tags properly identify you as a single-purpose account. So far as you have been able to demonstrate, you have done nothing at all in Wikipedia except to advocate in one specific topic area. If you choose to engage in an edit war over that accurate designation, that will end no differently for you than for any other SPA who so behaves. Alternately, you could make a few thousand edits improving articles on diverse topics unrelated to your issue, and then your opinions on that issue might be given some weight by readers. BD2412 T 21:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu already initiated an "edit war." He made a reversion of contested material within 24 hours. Within 10 minutes, actually. I don't want to get into an edit war with two administrators, which is why I came here to request clarification as to the policies behind tagging people's edits. I still haven't gotten an answer so I'm going to have to seek clarification elsewhere. — Sockpuppet comment

• Seems rather silly to edit war over a user essay. Take it to WP:SPI if you think there is a case. Otherwise I plan on undoing it later. PackMecEng (talk) 20:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  @PackMecEng: Can you clarify what it is that you plan on "undoing"? BD2412 T 20:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  @BD2412: It would be undoing Muboshgu's revert here. PackMecEng (talk) 21:44, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  I would respectfully request that you not do that, as the tag accurately identifies an account that is doing nothing on Wikipedia but advocating with respect to one specific issue. {{Single-purpose account}} tagging is routinely used to identify such accounts. By what rationale would this information be concealed? BD2412 T 21:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  By what rationale would it be considered useful? Even the tag itself says it should not be used to prejudge someones contributions to a discussion or RFC. I see the tag and the user essay supporting it to just be a form of tag shamming and counter to a collaborative editing environment. PackMecEng (talk) 21:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  There are tens of thousands of uses of this tag in Wikipedia. Do you intend to remove them all? It sounds as if your objection is to a well-established process, rather than to a particular instance of the use of this process. I would suggest that if you propose to abolish the use of this tag, you start by opening a discussion at the Village Pump, rather than addressing a single instance that will quickly be restored or retagged by another editor. BD2412 T 22:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  Don't be ridiculous. I plan on reverting a challenged tag. If I see others that have been challenged I may remove them as well, but I have no plans on hunting for them. PackMecEng (talk) 22:14, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  You seem to be planning to revert an edit that was already reverted back once. Please gain consensus before re-reverting. BD2412 T 22:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  Onus is on the other side. PackMecEng (talk) 22:28, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  The use of SPA tags is a well-established practice, which you propose to change in one special instance. The onus is on you to gain consensus for that. Also, you asked by what rationale this would be considered useful. I'm sure that you are aware that there are many people in the world who have no interest in building an encyclopedia, but who would like to use Wikipedia to make various kinds of self-serving statements, and who try to create a false appearance of general community support for positions that serve their own individual interests. This is undoubtedly something that happens with respect to political issues more than most other kinds of issues. BD2412 T 22:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  PackMecEng, by reverting my edit, you perpetuated an edit war rather than stop it. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  That's a touch rich, don't you think? "If you shoot back, you'll be perpetuating the war instead of stopping it", said the guy who shot first. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 23:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  Levivich, such is the nature of edit wars, is it not? At what point does it become an edit war? Was it my edit? Or PackMecEngs? – Muboshgu (talk) 00:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

  On Wikipedia, the war doesn't start until the second shot is fired? I'm pretty fanatical about not removing people's talk page comments except in very clear-cut cases (obvious vandalism, WP:DENY, etc.), so I would say the "first shot" in the Great Talk:Joe Biden Edit War of April 21, 2020, was fired by the first editor to remove another editor's talk page comment, which I believe makes you the second shooter and PME the third; both participants, yet neither one instigators. But who's counting? Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 04:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

This SPA tagging and reverting also came up a few days ago. If the tagged user objects to being tagged, there is no good faith reason to revert it back against their will. There's also no need to tag every comment in a thread. It wasn't necessary for Muboshgu to bring up BD's status as an admin as any justification for why their added tag had any more weight than one added by a non-admin. Finally, BD's comment Alternately, you could make a few thousand edits improving articles on diverse topics unrelated to your issue, and then your opinions on that issue might be given some weight by readers. goes against the open and collaborative nature of the project, and can be safely ignored. Mr Ernie (talk) 07:18, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

It's not necessary to tag every comment in a thread, but there are good faith reasons to revert the removal of the tag over the user's objections. Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

2022 United States Senate election in California

Why do you keep taking out the republican primary? It is vandalism. And potential is a word that means someone who could run, and the news doesn't list them, so please stop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpeedyShadow (talk • contribs) 15:29, April 21, 2020 (UTC)

@SpeedyShadow:, deleting WP:UNSOURCED content is not vandalism. Adding unsourced content can be a form of vandalism. Technically, every California citizen over the age of 30 by January 2023 could run in that election. If no reliable sources are talking about them as candidates, though, then we do not include them. It is unfortunate I had to protect the page to stop that edit warring so that I can get the chance to say this. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:40, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

SpeedyShadow, are you editing from this account and from Speedysonic? If so, why? You cannot use WP:MULTIPLE accounts unless you have a good reason. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I lost my old password and the email wouldn't send so i made this one. please dont ban me. Ok about deleting it thank you. but isnt taking out the primary part not ok? thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpeedyShadow (talk • contribs) 16:02, April 21, 2020 (UTC)

SpeedyShadow, that's an understandable reason to have created the second account, and I won't block you for that. What about the primary? We have no idea which candidates will run in that election on either side. Harris might not run, she might be VP or Attorney General. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I was asking can you add back like the part where it says Republican Primary? and declared and potential but not any candidates. Thank you.

ITN recognition for Jane Dee Hull

On 21 April 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jane Dee Hull, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Baseball player

Hey i hope all is going well I like your baseball player articles, I just got drafted by the Redsox this year would you be able to make a biography about me on Wikipedia let me know what you can do, thank you. Baseballfan4 (talk) 22:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Baseballfan4, well, congratulations. Even though I'm a Yankees fan. If you want to have a biography on Wikipedia, we need reliable sources that establish notability. If there's not enough for a full page, there would still have to be some to qualify for Boston Red Sox minor league players. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I have a some articles written on me Baseballfan4 (talk) 20:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Baseballfan4, such as? – Muboshgu (talk) 17:31, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm assuming this user is also Boston4you (talk · contribs). Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:41, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Eagles247, could be, though it would be disappointing to see the use of multiple accounts. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

ANI Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --PackMecEng (talk) 22:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Bill de Blasio

Dear User:Muboshgu, I notice that you reverted my edits at the article about Bill de Blasio. I actually did not mean to revert you, but my mouse clicked on the rollback button. Given that the revert occurred, I did reword the statement in light of your edit summary. Nevertheless, De Blasio's opposition to the field hospital set up by Samaritan's Purse has been noted by major publications, such as The New York Times, which you removed. I would welcome further rewording of the newly added information, but I do not believe that a wholesale revert is appropriate. If you disagree, we can open a section on the talk page of the article and invite others to comment. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 23:35, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, I noted the reason that you removed the information and references from the article; please kindly refer to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Fox News. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 00:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Anupam, other publications have picked it up, but that doesn't mean it's not WP:UNDUE to mention it. I will look at what language you reinserted later. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:02, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing

Election results and endorsements are sourced correctly. You can not skew this page to match your views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polysciprofessor (talk • contribs) 16:59, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Polysciprofessor, nor am I. You're copy-pasting directly from articles. That's not allowed under any circumstances. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, it looks like they re-added the text from https://www.sba-list.org/candidate/beth-van-duyne. -- LuK3 (Talk) 17:18, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Remedy for the celebrity photo of Jillian Bell?

I thought I picked the right license for the photograph. How can I remedy this? Xanderox (talk) 20:08, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Xanderox, what license is that? I didn't see any Creative Commons license. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:20, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

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Pat Toomey

Hello, you recently protected Pat Toomey due to disruptive POV editing by an IP range at 72.86.138.xxx. Well, they're back. Just wanted to let you know. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 13:45, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

ZimZalaBim, I see it's been taken care of for the time being. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

European water polo championships

Hi, I got a problem with Pelmeer10. Please, this is official LEN medals table for both competition, men's and women's. You can see what I say so many times - Medals from USSR belong to Russia, and from Yugoslavia to Serbia. Check this, please

However, read this

Serbia clinches 4th title in a row, though Spain falls only in shootoutFor the first time in the history of the European Water Polo Championships, the penalty shootout decided the title and it was retained by Serbia, despite an electrifying performance of the host Spaniards. This was the Serbs’ 8th gold medal, and the 7th in the last nine editions since 2001. Croatia got rid of its demons and clinched the bronze medal after four lost matches played for the third place in the past.

So, this is the prouv what i talking about, and Pelmeer10 delete this BudvaMontenegro (talk) 15:38, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

This is a content dispute I am not involved in. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:27, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

References

2018 Santa Ana mayoral election

I was going to recreate the article with many more details, like a map and more citations, but it got deleted before I had the chance to add them. Kart2401real (talk) 16:19, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Kart2401real, the article you put there was basically the same exact article as was deleted by a discussion. That discussion determined that the subject is not notable. Please see WP:CSD#G4. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:27, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Stacey Abrams

There seems to be a bit of a kerfuffle on this article, the bit about her having never won a contested election. I would appreciate your comment on this matter. --''Paul, in Saudi'' (talk) 12:45, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Aaron Judge edit.

Jose Altuve is a fucking cheater. Aaron Judge won MVP. Jose Altuve didn't deserve MVP, so therefore Aaron Judge is MVP — Preceding unsigned comment added by GusTheBus09 (talk • contribs) 16:03, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

@GusTheBus09: like it or not (and I don't), Altuve won the AL MVP award in 2017. If you vandalize pages again, you will be blocked from editing. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Stonecold415

Is there anything that can be done to educate or block this user from editing? I'm sure you have seen it on many of the baseball player pages (I focus on updates for indy & foreign leagues). A substantial amount of his edits are bad, whether it's not following the proper MOS (one sentence subsections), adding unsourced content, or more recently, creating player pages for indy league players that clearly violate WP:Notability. Like this one. I'm getting really sick of having to constantly track his edits and revert most of them - especially for the pages I follow closely. I've pointed this out before on his talk page and so have you, but he doesn't seem to be changing his ways at all.

I get that in some cases, he's adding more information to some of the player pages and thus keeping things updated. But in most cases he's just adding content verbatim from that player's MiLB or Baseball Reference page in one-to-two sentence subsections without sourcing anything. I really don't think those are productive edits.

Just wanted to ask if you'd been seeing the same and if you had any suggestions for dealing with this. He's been an active user since 2018, but it's just frustrating to have to continually babysit him and revert all of his edits.

Thanks for your time and appreciate your hard work! Pozzi.c (talk) 20:41, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Pozzi.c, yes, I am aware of what you are talking about. It may be time to elevate the situation to an appropriate noticeboard, like WP:AN/I, to get consensus for whether or not this editor should have restrictions placed on them. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:51, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Bias against mainstream media

Muboshgu, you accused me of having bias against mainstream media.[3] I stated that "mainstream media are often not RS", and I believe that the media's treatment of the Tara Reade story will serve as a notable example where the mainstream media has not been reliable.[4] The Columbia Journalism Review notes that the story "struggled for traction in the mainstream media",[5] and links to The Guardian story, "Why has the media ignored sexual assault and misbehaviour allegations against Biden?" My opinion is based on my interpretation of what the sources say. Please take back what you said about my bias. Kolya Butternut (talk) 20:15, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, your opinion is your personal bias. It's okay to acknowledge that. We all have our biases. You are looking at what the CJR says and the question the Guardian has asked and come down on the side of the MSM not doing its job, and that's but one interpretation of the situation. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:29, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Please take back your use of the word "bias", which I interpret to mean "prejudice", as in "the mainstream media demonstrated bias against Tara Reade". Kolya Butternut (talk) 20:39, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, I believe that when you say things like "the mainstream media demonstrated bias against Tara Reade", that proves my point. That isn't just random words you put together but your opinion, correct? We go with what the reliable sources do, not criticize them for how we perceive them to have failed. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:45, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Also, "bias" and "prejudice" are not the same thing, and I am not implying you are prejudiced. Biases that are not checked can, though, become prejudices, and we all have to be aware of the possibility of that. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:02, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

It's hard to see how you're speaking in good faith when you don't acknowledge the usual meaning of your words. When you say that you're noting my bias against the mainstream media, that doesn't sound like you're just acknowledging my evidence-based opinion. "Bias" may not be the same as "prejudice", but it is an "Inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair." Please take back your use of the word.[6] Kolya Butternut (talk) 21:13, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, perhaps I have not been clear enough in the terminology? Bias is human. Prejudice is acting upon that bias. You believe the MSM is not giving proper weight to the story, rather than acknowledge that her story has been inconsistent and that might be the reason it hasn't gotten as much press as you think it should get. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:06, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm disappointed with you. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:20, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, sorry to disappoint. I do not think we are seeing eye to eye on what we are talking about here. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:25, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I think I see things very clearly, and your overall behavior which I have witnessed recently has disappointed me. I expect better from administrators. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:28, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, I'm not some robot. I'm a human with my own biases. And I don't serve as an administrator in the post-1932 U.S. politics realm, except in obvious cases of vandalism that require a block or page protection. I don't know what you expect. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:34, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

For starters, I expect you to not only say things that benefit yourself. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, I don't take your meaning on that. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

You're arguing in one direction, the direction that benefits you. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:55, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

This comment does not make sense. The project as a whole benefits from distinguishing reliable sources from unreliable ones, based on the track record of sources in vetting their content. The fact that a generally reliable news source may be scooped by others has no bearing on its reliability. However, one of the standards of accurate journalism is the fullest possible investigation of stories before reporting them. It's not our role as an encyclopedia to guess at the internal processes of news outlets. BD2412 T 00:24, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

From 30,000 feet, Kolya Butternut, it looks as if you have some underlying concerns that remain unstated. When you say "I'm disappointed in you" "things that benefit yourself" etc.-- there's nothing in this thread that really relates to those words,which do however suggest a profound issue that remains unsaid. I wonder whether you might try to state your frustration in entirely different terms? Is there some alternative approach that might be difficult but would be clearer and possibly would elicit get responses from other editors that you'd find more constructive, or at least less opaque. SPECIFICO talk 00:40, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

It might seem opaque to you because this doesn't concern you. Kolya Butternut (talk) 00:58, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

No, it's pretty clear—some of us have been around long enough to have substantial experience with editors seeking to present a conspiratorial view as an encyclopedic narrative. What is unclear is what you mean by "benefit". Are you proposing that Muboshgu gains some individual benefit from supporting the view substantially held by the community with respect to what sources are reliable? BD2412 T 01:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm talking about conduct, not content.  Kolya Butternut (talk) 02:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

No, your first post was directly related to the ultimate issue of what constitutes reliable sources with respect to some very specific content. You appear to assert that "the media" is acting as a single-minded entity with respect to content covered in a particular article or set of articles. BD2412 T 02:15, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Sigh.  I can't make you see something that you don't want to see.  Conduct has context, the context here is not terribly important.  You're misinterpreting what I'm saying and what I believe.  But again, this doesn't concern you.  Kolya Butternut (talk) 02:21, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I still have no idea what you mean about my "conduct" "benefiting" me. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:46, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I feel like you have a bias in favor of yourself at the expense of the truth (as most people do, however). Kolya Butternut (talk) 15:55, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Look, Kolya Butternut, this is getting a bit much. As an uninvolved admin in the AP area, comments such as: it's hard to see how you're speaking in good faith [etc.] are a concern to me. Doubting the good faith of editors in good standing is a bit of a non-starter. El_C 16:05, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, El C. Do you mind subjecting yourself to patrolling Joe Biden related articles for the next six months? I'll give you all of the barnstars if you do.

My editing in Wikipedia articles is about the subjects of the articles, I do not appear in any of them so I'm still befuddled by the comment. Doesn't every person have a "bias in favor of [themselves]" in life? How exactly is it "at the expense of the truth"? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, sounds like fun-in-the-sun! I'm not sure what I'd do with that much excitement, though. El_C 16:17, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

El C, ha! Hillary-related articles became a mess in 2016. It may be just as bad, if not worse, this year. You're a quality admin without bias in this area. Maybe we need to recruit a few more. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:21, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, Muboshgu. Certainly, I'll do what I can to help. El_C 16:41, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, El_C, but that's how I feel. I suppose I could have said "It's hard to see how what you're saying is honest..." That way the focus is on the behavior rather than the individual, and allows for the possibility that any possible dishonesty may be unintentional. That being said, I do not appreciate you joining the conversation by what I feel is tone-policing my grievance. Muboshgu, I think you might have been unintentionally interpreting my words pedantically.  I am saying I feel like you may have taken actions influenced by bias at the expense of the truth. Kolya Butternut (talk) 16:28, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

And to clarify yet again, I am not discussing article content. Perhaps I'll just leave it with a simple request: please make an effort to demonstrate more cognitive empathy. Kolya Butternut (talk) 16:37, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, I am alerting you that you are skirting the line between what are legitimate queries and what is otherwise. I think my congnitive empathy is just fine. But I'm asking you to please do better. El_C 16:41, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

No, El_C, I have not judged your cognitive empathy; I have asked Muboshgu, and now I am asking you, to please demonstrate it. Twice now you have inserted yourself into my conversation to alert me of my word choices while giving no words to the content of my communications. Regardless of whether you find my grievance to have merit, I have a valid experience, as we all do. In the future please show that you are understanding. Kolya Butternut (talk) 17:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, this is becoming tendentious. Please leave Muboshgu in peace and just move on. Whatever point you had has either been advanced, or not, but continuing with these exchanges has become inappropriate. El_C 17:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree that this exchange has become tendentious, but I am disappointed that you continue to engage in the same behavior about which I have complained, and you do not take responsibility for your own part here. Good day. Kolya Butternut (talk) 17:26, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kolya Butternut: the root of the problem here is that you are making cryptic accusatory pronouncements. To the outside observer, it certainly seems that you are saying that there is a secret "truth" that the media as a whole is conspiring to cover up, and that an editor's agreement with our existing policies defining reliable sources is somehow benefiting from this. An attack wrapped in riddles is still an attack. Speak plainly. I'm beginning to doubt your ability to do so. BD2412 T 17:30, 30 April 2020 (UTC)