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Paleoconservatives

You've been adding categories to articles that don't mention or have sources for their inclusion, such as Lester Maddox. Can you please review your work and make sure that the category is supported in each instance? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 04:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Ditto for Roy Moore. Unless you can find sources for these categorizations please stop adding them. I'll follow your edits tommorrow and removed unsourced categories. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 06:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

In most of these cases in which I have added the individuals to the Category:Paleoconservatives, the basis for that characterization is inherent, within the article. It might not use the word "paleoconservative" (that is a rarely-used term, in the general discourse, and most people don't know what it means...) but if one reads the information already in those articles, regarding each persons' political viewpoints, their perspectives, and their public-policy actions, he/she can see that the basis is there.Pacificus (talk) 07:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

You don't appear to be familiar with one of Wikipedia's foundatoinal policies, "no original research". An aspect of that policy is WP:SYNTH, which says that we can't make determinations on our own. If we don't have a reliable source that says Lester Maddox was paleoconservative, then we should not decide that he was one on our own. I'll give you some more time, but unsupported categories should not be added. It's no different from adding a sentence to the article saying that the subject is a paleoconservative. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 07:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Per my comments above, I've removed the category from articles where there was no assertion that the subjects are or were paleoconservatives. You're welcome to add them back once the articles have sources that call them that. While I was at it, I also deleted some redundant categories you'd added to the chairmen of the College Republicans. Since all chairmen were CR members there's no need to have both categories. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Also,I see you've made many additions to List of paleoconservative organizations, yet there are no sources for that list either. Can you add some so they don't all get deleted? Thanks. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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"Anti-immigrant hate group"

Pacificus, the term used in article on Sierra Club is NPOV and is an official, published designation by the Southern Poverty Law Center which is recognized by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. When the FBI is invistigating a suspected hate crime, and wishes to know who is associated with whom in the white supremicist community, it collaborates with SPLC and uses their "social networking" research to develop leads. SPLC has identified both these groups as "anti-immigrant hate groups" and until recently there were refs to sources listed for them on the Sierra Club article. Many Sierra Club members think it important for others to know that these groups attempted to "take over" the leadership of Sierra Club in 2004. In my opinion, it is not appropriate to "sanitize" this article in this manner. The term is appropriate in this context. Please don't revert again or I will report it. Mervyn Emrys (talk) 19:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I am in the process of addressing this issue, on the talk page of the Sierra Club article. The Southern Poverty Law Center is itself a very-controversial organization (some of that is addressed in its article), and the FBI has nothing whatsoever to do with the Sierra Club immigration controversy, and has taken no position on that matter. Furthermore, as far as I know, the Diversity Alliance for a Sustainable America has never been designated, even by the SPLC, as an "anti-immigrant hate group" - That pro-immigration reduction organization's leadership consists largely of immigrants and minorities, and the 2004 Sierra Club candidate who is on the D.A.S.A. board is distinguished civil rights leader Frank Morris, Sr., the former Executive Director of the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation. Furthermore, this "take over" was orchestrated by incumbent members of the Sierra Club Board of Directors, such as Captain Paul Watson. The talk page will soon be updated, and I may start an NPOV or Accuracy discussion as well, if need be.

Please do not issue any more threats, for something like this. This is a matter that should be resolved without needing to resort to any of that. Pacificus (talk) 05:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

So, is it your intention to defend white supremicists and trash everyone and everything that reveals the truth about their efforts? That does appear to be what you and your friends are doing, and I'm not the only one to notice. Mervyn Emrys (talk) 15:36, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Your sophomoric smears towards myself (and other Wikipedia editors), in response to legitimate, detailed, researched, and referenced discussion-page posts, are baseless and unprofessional (some of which I addressed in my three posts in this thread) - and not just because I myself am a non-white, "first-generation" immigrant myself. These unmerited and uncivil ad hominems are also in violation of several Wikipedia policies and core principles (including Wikipedia:NPA, Wikipedia:HARASS, and Wikipedia:GOODFAITH).

Please stop doing this. As I said earlier, my contributions to Wikipedia have been done with the intent of improving and expanding this great resource. And as also mentioned before, we should be able to deal with these article-editing issues, without attacking each other personally (as was done here, and which I responded to, and which has recently been done elsewhere as well), or making false implications and assumptions about one another. Pacificus (talk) 22:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

For your information, it is noted on the WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard that the SPLC publication Intelligence Report which was questioned by two users "has been named at least twice by the Society of Professional Journalists in their Green Eyeshade journalism excellence awards [1] [2]" and may be used as a Reliable Source. It is also stated there that a link to an audited financial statement on the home page of the audited organization may be used as a Reliable Source. Have a nice day. Mervyn Emrys (talk) 15:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for, at least once, discussing the issue, instead of discussing the Wikipedia User raising it.

This same dialogue on this same topic, however, is right-now being held on other Wikipedia discussion pages, so it is not necessary, on my personal 'Talk' page as well.

In fact, I just discovered, via another User's response to your recent post on this Noticeboard, that this very issue has already been dealt with, and was formally "Resolved," several months ago. See here. Thanks, Pacificus (talk) 08:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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All I did was copy the text from a pre-existing Wikipedia article, but in which the subject's name was misspelled, and pasted that same text into a new article, which is titled with the corrected spelling. If there is a problem with the text of the article itself, please take that up with whomever wrote it, in the first place. Thank you!

Noticing this, I've looked into the matter. It appears that the text was copied from Wikipedia, not the other way around. I've moved the misspelled article to the correct spelling.   Will Beback  talk  22:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

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I've noticed that you've been adding unsourced statements to articles, and then adding cite requests. That's backwards. The write way is to find a source first, and then add the material from the source. That's particularly true with material related to living people. See WP:BLP.   Will Beback  talk  21:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

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Appreciate Your Input on Hispanic American Congress

I see where you're coming from in reference to this particular article because it looks like Spanish people are grouped with Hispanics to beef up the Hispanic categories (this applies to real life groups as well). But, I disagree on the general Hispanic-American list. "Latin" is used differently than "Latino", though it means the same in Spanish. "Latino" is used for mestizos and in this country is really used interchangeably with Hispanic. Most people see Hispanics as mestizos. "Latin" refers to anyone who is of Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, or French heritage. Hispanic America has it's own page, White Hispanics have their own page. I don't know why there is no differentiation. Hispanic refers to culture from Spanish-language countries with ties to Spain. But, in terms of race, White-Hispanics who don't have native or African heritage, are just white. I don't call Spanish people White Hispanic. I call them Spaniards and white Europeans. Portuguese aren't even Hispanic, but Iberian. They don't speak Spanish. Why add the Portuguese and Italian man back. Italians aren't Hispanic either. Both of these groups definitely need to be deleted. I'd welcome your input here. --CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 17:54, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, it seems you did leave out the Portuguese and Italian men I had deleted. --CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 17:57, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

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Category:Paleoconservatism

Once again, don't add articles to a category unless there's a clear reason, especially when it's living people.   Will Beback  talk  19:57, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I see (from the reverts) that this is in re: the Murray Rothbard and Justin Raimondo articles.

However, in the former article, "Old Right" (which is [naturally!] in "Category:Paleoconservatism") is mentioned, multiple times, with Rothbard called an "exemplar of the Old Right." Paleoconservatism is also mentioned, several times.

In the latter article, "paleoconservative" is mentioned once (though not in direct reference to Raimondo), and the "Old Right" & "American Right" are also discussed.

If the Category was named "Paleoconservatives", then it would be debatable, whether inclusion there constituted WP:SYNTHESIS. But, as the category is "Paleoconservatism", a philosophy which is clearly discussed, in both men's articles, I think they do warrant inclusion.

But this is a not a topic to be debating over; either way is fine, with me. Pacificus (talk) 03:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I can't find a single mention of Paleoconservatism in Murray Rothbard. Maybe there should be, but there isn't. Where "Old Right" is a synonym isn't quite clear. Anyway, if the article say that the subjects belong to the PC wing then we can add the categories, but we shouldn't add it otherwise.   Will Beback  talk  03:55, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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Since you're on the history of Nicolle Wallace, thre are some request for comments on her talk page. Thought you might want to weigh in when you have time. The top one is at: Talk:Nicolle_Wallace#Rfc:_Should_how_she_found_out_she_was_let_go_from_the_View_be_included?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ImUglyButPrettyUgly (talk • contribs) 11:40, 10 March 2020 (UTC)