User talk:Warofdreams/2007/04-06

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Satellitephotos etc.[edit]

Hello Warofdreams, What do you think - [1] cheers, Wikityke 16:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair Use logos[edit]

Can you give me a heads up on the use of fair use political party logos in the info boxes of individual politicians as a default where no picture exists. I can see nothing in the Fair use guidelines to prevent me doing this.But where I have added logos these have all removed by a user arbitrarily e.g. Pat Ramsey‎ as one example. Most of thes logos have been applied for several months and the articles have undergone numerous edits by other contributors since the logo addition without complaint. Weggie 22:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


Hi, could you hold off from putting the UK places infobox in Sheffield suburbs like Crookes for now. There is an ongoing discussion as to whether this infobox is suitable for suburbs, or can be modified to be more suitable for suburbs. I have also been playing with the idea of just using the SY map alone, without an infobox. Thanks, —Jeremy (talk) 15:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Could you also hold on adding the infobox to Totley and Dore. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 08:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

History of Sheffield FAC[edit]

Hi, thanks for your comments at the History of Sheffield FAC and your copy edits to the article itself. You have given us quite a daunting to-do list. I'm not sure that I can manage all of the things that you request myself due to lack of source material, so any help will be appreciated. However, I'm sure that this article can be a FA. Thanks again, —Jeremy (talk) 01:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

CHICOTW - AT&T Corporate Center past editor[edit]

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TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 15:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Districts of Southampton[edit]

Hi, back in November you moved all the Southampton district pages from "XXX, Southampton" to "XXX, Hampshire". What disambiguation guide were you following for this? I find the Hampshire name to be a bit offputting. Please comment under: Template_talk:Districts_of_Southampton Thanks AlanFord 17:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

National Party of Northern Ireland[edit]

If you need a shortname then how about NPNI, as the Nationalist Party is usually used to refer to the Irish Parliamentry Party.--padraig3uk 22:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Your username is so cool[edit]

I just had to say it. War of dreams...that's an awesome username. hbdragon88 03:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

What the heck. My two local libraries have failed me. Even has faild me. Is the book really that obscure? hbdragon88 03:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Night at the Circus is available at my local library, so I think I'll start there and keep going if I like it. hbdragon88 07:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


Round 14 has just started if you're interested. --Spondoolicks 17:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: History of Sheffield[edit]

Thanks, I'm especially pleased because I wasn't sure if it would make it. I was thinking of turning you list of suggestions into a to-do list on the articles talk page. I haven't had chance to follow up on any of your suggestions yet—there is an excellent library here in Chicago that I want to visit first. Regarding doing more maps, do you have any requests? I was looking at Nottinghamshire, but I haven't decided anything yet (my Mac had to go in for repair today, so I can't do anything until it comes back). —Jeremy (talk) 00:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome[edit]

To the janitor's supply closet! Time to go not use any of the supplies. It's bedtime.--Fuhghettaboutit 02:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Interesting Australian connection to your article on Tongue, Sutherland, Scotland[edit]

I live in Tongue Street, Yarraville, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia and we have never been able to figure out why it is called by that name. Well a neighbour filled us in yesterday.

The street at the end of this one is called Mackay Street (pronounced Mack key). Apparently Mackay settled this area of inner west Melbourne. He must have had a connection to Tongue and named the street here in honour of that. Interesting for us here, and even more so after reading your piece on Tongue Scotland and Clan Mackay.

I have added Tongue to the top of my list to visit when I can next get name is Simpson, of the Simpson's Dundee so it continues the Scottish theme for me.

Solves the puzzle and I need to think of some further way of celebrating this. I might make contact with Tongue somehow. Colin Simpson

Surrey map upgrades[edit]

Just seen your change to Burpham, Merrow, Knaphill, Jacobs Well, etc – it is sooooooooo much better than the previous map.

Thank you! EdJogg 00:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Just have to say that I couldn't disagree more. I don't think this map helps anyone from Idaho, Indonesia or Inverness who has no familiarity with the area. They don't need to know where in Surrey Burpham actually is. Many probably don't understand what Surrey actually is. To me its an overbearing, overpowering collection of squiggly lines that detracts significantly from the original article. With one click I can bring up a list of 20 to 40 different geo-resources, any of which are more visually enticing than a squashed up version of the Surrey map. If I cared where Burpham (or Merrow, Knaphill or any other small town/village in Surrey) was I would use the traditional comprehensive toolset. I think this is a very poor "upgrade". If Wikipedia were a commercial subscription service and this was an optional, but very low-cost, enhancement, would I pay for it? No. Frelke 06:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Surrey[edit]

Thanks. You very astutely noticed that I made a boo boo—I had the OpenStreetMap map that I am using for tracing features a little misaligned in the south-west quadrant of the map. Hopefully all is fixed now. I have also added a few more water features. —Jeremy (talk) 02:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Northern Ireland Assembly election, 2007[edit]


I'd appreciate your comments on how best to deal with the attempts of User:Northern Ireland Assembly election, 2007 to persistently override the views of other editors who see nothing wrong with including the results of Republican Sinn Féin in the list of results of the Northern Ireland Assembly election, 2007.

In addition, I believe User:Northern Ireland Assembly election, 2007 is a sockpuppet of User:Weggie (evidence here.

Many thanks.--Damac 14:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Largest Village in England[edit]

You reverted my edit to Largest village in England to correct the population of Cranleigh. I took the figure from the Cranleigh article which stated that the figure came from the 2001 census. Since both articles claim the 2001 census, one is presumably wrong. Which article needs changing? -- SGBailey 15:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Allestree Picture[edit]

Thanks for your very nice little map of where Allestree is in Derby. I looks very pretty. Dommccas 12:14, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Moralis RfA[edit]

Could I get you to comment on your thinking regarding the Moralis RfA? I'm not in any respect questioning your decision to close it as fail. I'm curious that you closed two other RfAs before his, when his was due before those two. What was the thinking? What was the thought process? --Durin 17:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I was also coming here to ask you to comment on the close. Or to be more precise, I think it would be helpful to the current debates on the structure of RfA to understand if the closing bureaucrat felt the structure made the decision easier or harder and whether (if you don't mind speculating) the RfA would have gone in a different direction under a different format. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 17:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh scrap that, I just realized you had done that on Durin's talk page! Do you mind copying it to WT:RFA? Thx. Pascal.Tesson 17:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Thx. Pascal.Tesson 17:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Changing the map in the infobox for some Cheshire places[edit]

Thanks for the help in changing over some of the maps in Cheshire places' infoboxes. I appreciate it. Some of the places are suburbs of Chester or Warrington, but I personally think they are still all right with them. Once again, thanks.  DDStretch  (talk) 14:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


Hi! I've been trying to bring the above article up from stub level and have just inserted an infobox into the article page. I'm not sure that I have the Map Coordinates quite right. Would you be so kind as to check them for me. Richard Harvey 21:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Workers' Voice/Workers Voice[edit]

Thanks for creating the Workers' Voice disambiguation page and thanks also for the suggestion about getting rid of the PROD on the Workers Voice page and turning it into a redirect. I wonder if that would be "fair", since in effect I'd be deleting effectively the article about the Newfoundland magazine but without going through normal deletion processes. Perhaps I'm being overly scrupulous, especially since the Newfoundlanders crassly hijacked what was originally an article on the Turkish publication.[2][3] I'm wonder if instead I should let the PROD run its course for now -- what do you think? This is an odd situation. --A. B. (talk) 02:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Workers Voice (Canada)[edit]

The article's proposed deletion tag was removed and the article was renamed but it still has notability issues, so I have nominated it to be deleted via the "AfD" process. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Workers Voice (Canada). --A. B. (talk) 18:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

PS, thanks for straightening out the name/disambiguation issue. --A. B. (talk) 18:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On April 24, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ladipo Solanke, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks again Warofdreams. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Sheffield Map[edit]

Hi there. How are you adding the maps? your coordinates do not seem very precise. Can I suggest you use google maps or multimap? L.J.Skinnerwot|I did 18:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Amy Ashwood Garvey[edit]

Updated DYK query On 27 April, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Amy Ashwood Garvey, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 02:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


Do you have more info on EPLA? Google search gives no result at all, so I thought it was a spoof. --Soman 18:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

transitional programme / demand[edit]

Hi, I was editing transitional programme at But when I linked the transition demand page, which is a stub, to it it got re-directed back to transitional demand again.

I'm happy for them to be merged, but I was under the impression there should be some discussion about it first. Any idea what happened? The transitional programme article still has the "This politics-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it." tag.

perhaps I'm missing something.Andysoh 00:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for getting back to me so quickly! - I see now, from your reply, that what I was missing was the caps - small cap transitional program/me goes to transitional demand, big cap Transitioinal Programme is the Transitional Programme. Andysoh 18:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Northern Ireland Parliament - Succession box[edit]

Hi Warofdreams. Please see my edit summary on Roy Bradford. Edward Heath said in his statement of 24 March 1972 that the parliament was prorogued, not abolished. This was to hold out hope to Unionists that it could be restored in the right circumstances. A year later, when the period of suspension was over, it was abolished and talks began to establish the 1973 Assembly. Except in the context of the events of 1972, it is incorrect to say that the parliament was prorogued, as though it could still be restored today. I don't know whether any other NI MP articles have that text in their succession box, but if so I feel strongly that it should be changed. Scolaire 10:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I made a edit to that to say that the Position prorogued 1972 and Parliament Abolished 1973, which makes the position more clearer.--padraig3uk 10:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough! Scolaire 17:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Militant tendency article title[edit]

Hi Warofdreams, your input would be useful in the discussion on the talk page on the name of the article of the Militant tendency.

You will see that Philip has done a lot of hard work in getting the article towards an acceptable wiki and NPOV standard (but noted on the talk page some reservations to removing the POV notice which will be addressed).

But Philip noticed that Michael Crick said that the Militant refered to itself as 'Militant tendency', with a small "t", in its internal documents, and changed the article title, to faithfully represent what it called itself.

But the internal documents on the "Open turn" show that this is not the case. The Militant has never, to my knowledge, referred to itself as the 'Militant' in any form, its internal documents, for obvious reasons. Crick was either mistaken or may simply have misled Philip - he might have meant merely that there was the usage "the tendency" in internal usage - but this would be no good as an article title! I haven't been able to look up the Crick reference yet, but will shortly.

This led Duncan to suggest that on the reasoning Philip used, the title should be returned to Militant (Britian). I'm happy with this, but was equally happy with Militant Tendency with a capital "T", since I hadn't realised it may have perjorative connotations, which Duncan pointed out.

Once agreement has been reached I'm happy to go through the articles which Philip found which link to the MT article and change them to the correct usage and link. Anyway, no rush, but your opinion would be a useful addition to the discussion. Andysoh 19:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Now added the relevant quote from Crick to the talk page, and made a proposal following both the usage adopted both by Crick and proposed by Duncan. Don't know why Philip mis-read Crick. Andysoh 20:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Trade Unions[edit]

Please stop deleting the tag "Trade Union" froma rticles. It is considered vandalism. 03:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I apologize. I was out of turn in saying what I did. However, please do not think I was the one who put the tags in the page. That was a different user. Glad to ahve cleared this up. 05:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for the note. Aquarius • talk 01:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for taking the time to evaluate and close my RFA. Cheers- CattleGirl talk | sign! 07:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

My RfA[edit]

Hello. Thanks for closing my RfA and doing all the necessary form-filling. May I pedantically point out that the official count was slightly inaccurate. I know, I'm a ridiculous pedant. That's why I spend so much time hanging out improving an encyclopedia! Cheers. --Dweller 14:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


No problem. I realise that I had been unclear in withdrawing my opposition without striking it. WjBscribe 14:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Cheers to both of you. --Dweller 14:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Isaac Ironside[edit]

Updated DYK query On 19 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Isaac Ironside, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 06:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

NUS head office[edit]

I note you've added to A1 road (London) that it's the site of the head office of the NUS — where are you getting this from? Not saying you're wrong as they may have recently moved, but certainly as far as I'm aware their head office is in the Centro building in Camden, and that's still the address listed on their website iridescenti (talk to me!) 15:31, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll source it in that case - just that I used to work across the road from Centro, so I knew it had an "NUS Head Office" sign on the door. For some reason Centro's listed as "Head Office" whilst Holloway's listed as "Central Office". I'll also add CND as the other notable Holloway Road head office I can think of iridescenti (talk to me!) 16:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


Are you working on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PaxEquilibrium? I was looking at the others when you closed them and figured you were looking at this too. I'm inclined to close as no consensus to promote based on it not being realistic that that many oppose votes are sockpuppets, etc. Seems to have been canvassing, but that works both ways. - Taxman Talk 12:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 21 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Brian Behan, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 15:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for closing my RFA[edit]

I feel honored, and have seen the new action buttons appearing all over the place.

But I feel I should read up - is there somewhere I should be watching for "news of interest to admins", "guide to good admin behaviour", "proper and improper reasons to hit an admin-only button" and so on?

Not wanting to err through ignorance... --Alvestrand 20:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Hadn't seen your message on my talk page before scribbling on yours. Consider the request answered! --Alvestrand 21:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


Good manners only - Saw that Stoney Middleton was "yours" and as I had spent an hour or two editting it I thought I would tell so you can clap (or cry). I have added inline reffing so there are some orphan refs that I didn't know where to put the callout so please repair if you can. Victuallers 15:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

New edits to Communism template[edit]

Trying to reach new consensus with some removals. Such as Luxemburg, anarchism and council communism, as council communism and luxemburg are covered in Left communism. And Anarchism isn´t communism. Are these acceptable.


Please be careful about the edit war there: one of them is replacing Marxism Leninism with Stalinism, which is POV, while the over is trying to suggest mistakenly that Maoism is not a form of Marzism leninism, which even Mao says it is. --Duncan 16:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Would appreciate your comment on proceeding on Gracenotes, RfA[edit]

Hi Mr. Smiling,

As one of the Bureaucrats recently active on RfA, I would like your opinion on how to handle Gracenotes' rather difficult RfA.

There are a huge number of opinions (over 200 supporting and over 70 opposing) and a great deal of argumentation. I would like to reserve a "Bureaucrat Chat" for the really, really difficult and unique situations, like Danny. My concerns here are that:

  • The bureaucrats should not be put in the position of being "supervoters," evaluating everything the community already hashed over, but at a "higher" level;
  • I would like to see this RfA separated from some very strong and quite valid (to the individuals most involved) emotion, as much as this is possible; and
  • Almost all the detailed opposition revolves around a single issue that I believe has acquired a life of its own separate from the candidate's qualifications, and I think Gracenotes at least deserves a chance to make a coherent presentation on the issue and allow the community to express their opinions anew in that light.

I had earlier posted a way forward that can be found (with some comments) at Wikipedia:Bureaucrats'_noticeboard#One_Bureaucrat.27s_Impression. I would like to proceed according to the six steps I suggested, which has the assent of both the Candidate, and the first opposer on the BADSITES issues, SlimVirgin.

I would be most grateful if you would contact me at my talk page with your assent, different solution and/or comment and discussion. Thanks! -- Cecropia 21:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Help with ursupation[edit]

Hello! I have seen that you have some knowledge in German and French so you may be the right "bureaucrat" for my request posted here. Thanks in advance ;-) -- 11:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC) (de:User:Rfortner, fr:User:Rfortner)

Thanks a lot, merci beaucoup & Vielen lieben Dank! ;-) -- Rfortner2 18:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Manchester Meetup[edit]

Hi, just getting in touch because you expressed an interest in the meetup here. Some people have expressed a view that they would be able to make it were the date moved from Fri 8 June to Sat 9 June. Obviously its now getting pretty close, so I thought a quick poll would be the best the way to find out the better day. If you're still interested, it would be great if you could say whether you can make either or both days here.

PS. If you have a minute to stop by the rename pages, it would be great if someone could ease the backlog since Secretlondon is on a break. Thanks, WjBscribe 16:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Warofdreams[edit]

I greatly appreciate your support on the issue of reopening Gracenotes's RfA. I am now strongly inclined to take this route if Gracenotes agrees. At another 'crats suggesting that I either close it myself or submit it to a 'crat-chat I looked at the entire nomination and, frankly, I don't see how consensus can fairly be determined either way. I think the community needs to take a deep breath and re-express their sentiment knowing all that has gone on in those stormy seven days. I agree with you, BTW, that Danny's RfA did exhibit an excellent openness. I highly value transparency. Cheers, Cecropia 03:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for changing my username!   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 13:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Workers' Aid for Bosnia[edit]

No. These actions were crucial for ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo, and if someone was supporting them, he was supporting ethnic cleansing too. I'll try to remove mention of them altogether. Nikola 17:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

2004 edit concerning Henrietta Island of the De Long Islands[edit]

I am trying to find citation for the statement concerning this island that there was a research station on the island from 1937 until the 1960's. Can you help me considering that you were the creator of the page and that what you wrote has gone unchallenged for several years? CharlesRobertCountofNesselrode 15:47, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The website you gave me actually has some faulty information on it (namely, the name of the American discoverer). Generally, an internet search can turn up a source, but is it always a good one? Can you find another source or is that the only one on the web? CharlesRobertCountofNesselrode 13:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Overdue RfA's[edit]

There are 3 RfAs (including mine - the ulterior motive behind this message) that were supposed to have been closed late yesterday that are still open. You seem to be the only bureaucrat active right now (and one of few within the last few days), so I decided to bug you about this! Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 03:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks much! Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 03:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you (my RFA)[edit]

Thank you for the kind note about my RFA (even though it did fail). It was a positive experience for me in the end (made me see what I need to fix/improve upon), but also made me realize that being an admin is not something I would run for again. While I can't say I encountered any critiscm that affected me, in viewing the other RFA's I saw some things that made me realize that being that involved with the Wikipedia Community is not something I am all too keen about. I will stick to my wiki-gnoming activities in the future - again, thank you for at least giving me a pleasant notice about the closure for my RFA. --Ozgod 03:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

User Nemissimo II wants his original name back[edit]

Hi Warofdreams,

There is a user User:Nemissimo II who forgot his password for his original account here User:Nemissimo and wants the original name (w/o the II) back. He is the user of the same name of de.wikipedia. I inquired of the user on de. so I could be sure it was the same person and received an affirmative response from the logged-in user there.

Can we do this through a usurpation rename? Or do we have to pass this to Angela or a developer? Thanks, Cecropia 07:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Warofdreams! -- Cecropia 14:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

My RFA[edit]

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Hello, Warofdreams/2007/04-06, and thank you so much for your support in my recent RFA, which passed 59/0/0! I will try very hard to live up to your expectations – please let me know if I can help you in any way, but first take your cookie! Thanks again! KrakatoaKatie 00:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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Wrack & other left politicians[edit]

Personally, I think i small party and splinter group politicians can be notable, but it absolutely does require good references., Considering his career, i think they can be found. I'm not sure about others. They'll probably end of Afd and I'll defend if there are sources to make them defensble. DGG 06:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion?[edit]

Hi, Warofdreams. I wonder if you, as someone who's edited the Raya Dunayevskaya article a number of times, would have an opinion on the current disagreement between Horse Badorties and me. Horse B keeps wanting to delete facts with reasons that don't make sense to me. Maybe you can make some sense of it. It's all documented in the last section of the talk page. Thanks--Franklin Dmitryev 16:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Ceawlin of Wessex & John Speed[edit]

Warofdreams, is there by any chance a John Speed picture of Ceawlin of Wessex? I hope to nom that for FA next, though I have quite a bit to do there, and would love to use a Speed pic if there is one. Thanks -- Mike Christie (talk) 09:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

So . . .[edit]

So there is a category for many years in architecture. Is there not? I always seem to forget it. Sorry to make cleanup work for you, I will try to remember the cats in the future. IvoShandor 18:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

There will come a day when I will remember it. IvoShandor 10:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

RFA rationales[edit]

Hello. I saw your response on WT:RFA. First of all, I'd like to say that I think you spoke well about that and that the community appears to appreciate your willingness to do so. I notice that your rationale was pretty similar to what I had supposed when I posted earlier on that thread. I hope that my doing so was not objectionable to you. Also, I hope you would let me know if you prefer that I not do that sort of thing again. While there are obviously no rules against it, I see no reason to "provide color-commentary" where it is not wanted. Finally, in case it was not obvious at the time, this message from last month applied to you as well. Be well. --After Midnight 0001 12:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


I've sent you an email. Please check. Waltontalk 18:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


I'd like you to reconsider your closing of AKMask's RFA as unsuccessful. AK closed at 73%, right on the borderline as stated by both yourself and the RFA page. The opposes largely consisted of dislike for an action that occured on IRC. We widely consider IRC and on-wiki discussion to be two different, unrelated things. This sets a very bad precedent that the whims of people off-wiki can cause a good editor to lose a chance for adminship. We have a massive backlog and very much need admins, and AKMask's on-wiki potential is just what we need to put a dent in it. Given that it was so close, I ask that you reconsider making AKMask a sysop, as I do not think that the some of opposes were justified. If just 5 of the opposes were discounted, he would be at a 77% mark, which would be well closer to the passing side. I see 6 opposes that are based on the IRC issue (which many, including a large number of the opposes, view to be invalid). That's not counting the people who said "oppose per (person)". I saw at least 1 oppose (badlydrawnjeffs) that was incivil and borderline constitutes a WP:POINT violation. I have also heard of reports of canvassing for opposes in regards to this nom.

I'm normally not one to try and have a decision like this looked at, but in this case I think there is quite a bit of evidence to display that the consensus swings towards him being an administrator. Certainly the nearly 75% of discussers believe he's ok, and that quite a few of the one who don't only weakly oppose, or have reasons that have nothing to do with the candidate's potential or behavior on wiki. Given that, would you consider it? SWATJester Denny Crane. 01:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I apologize to Warofdreams for jumping in on his talk page, but I noticed this and I think I should comment:
  1. The RfA you cite was comfortably within the range of bureaucrat discretion. Discretion by its nature means that some RfAs will pass with fewer raw "votes" than others that fail;
  2. Whether or not your argumentation on the way Wikipedians framed their opposition is valid or not, the RfA is the place to make these arguments, not on a bureaucrats' talk page. If WoD, or I, or any 'crat were to change a decision on the basis of someone's ex post facto arguments, what would happen if another editor then made an even better argument the other way?
  3. Like an umpire, once a bureaucrat makes a decision, it stands, except under the most extraordinary circumstances. With some 2000 or so RfAs over four years I think the times a decision has changed could be counted on the fingers of one hand, with fingers left over;
  4. It happens that I was reading through the RfA with an eye to closing it. It takes a while to read and consider and, while I was doing so, I found that WoD had already closed it as no consensus. It happens that that was also the way I would have closed it. So even though I would have respected his decision if he decided to promote, he independently came to the same conclusion I did;
  5. Finally, the proper relief and procedure if you or anyone feels that AKmask should still be an admin is to mount a new RfA. In general, the community expects at least a month to pass before doing so. That is not so very long, anyway. -- Cecropia 02:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
  1. I'm aware it was in the range of discretion. That's why I asked.
  2. And after the RFA is closed, it is no longer the place to make them, hence the archival template on them. There is a huge difference between someone being made a sysop after a change of determined consensus after a long debate, or a desysopping of a promoted user (which we have a seperate process for).
  3. And that's reason to not ask....why? How many of those RFA's were in the 75% area? Significantly less of them, and my guess is all of the ones where a mind was changed fit that category.
  4. Which was why I asked him, as the closing admin.
  5. Yes because we all know that an immediate RFA would work, given the controversy over the RFA process itself. My request was not outside the proper relief or procedure, because I was bringing into question the determination of the consensus of the decision. In the end, I'm satisfied with WoD's explanation, both here and on WT:RFA (which I had not seen).

Thanks for pointing me to the wikitalk explanation WoD, that was what I was looking for. SWATJester Denny Crane. 02:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

If you are seeking an explanation, that is one thing, but a reconsideration is something else entirely. If WoD was not certain of the decision to make, he could have asked for an opinion of an another bureaucrat, or could have chosen not to close the nomination. -- Cecropia 02:53, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Idle curiosity[edit]

Hi, Warofdreams. I became an administrator last week, and I have a question. I've just seen your edit at MediaWiki:Sitenotice. It's been on my watchlist for some time, though I can't remember why. I think someone mentioned it once, and I looked, and then left it on my watchlist so that I'd be able to find it again. As far as I can recall, before I was sysopped, I couldn't edit it. As I look at it now, I see a delete button, but no protect (or unprotect) button. Don't worry, I wasn't planning on doing anything to it, but I'm just curious as to why it's apparently possible for me to delete it but not to protect it. ElinorD (talk) 23:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


Original Barnstar.png The Original Barnstar
I, Evilclown93, award you this barnstar for writing this essay, which may eventually repair RfA to boot. I personally believe it is brilliant. Evilclown93(talk) 01:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


Just letting you know that the placement of Fleetwood in the infobox map you recently added is incorrect (see here). Regards, Dudesleeper · Talk 09:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

And the same can be said for Thornton.[4] - 09:18, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
What s/he said below. Thanks for the correction to the coordinates of the Lancashire map. As an aside, are the maps in question only for use in town/village/city articles, or could it be implemented for an article like Longridge Fell? - Dudesleeper · Talk 00:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

|map_type= Lancashire[edit]

Hopefully the title says it all, other than thank you ever so much for your efforts! It's really appreaciated. I'm hoping to roll out (eventually - it takes an awful amount of time!) maps for every county of England. Thanks again, Jhamez84 23:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd be more than happy for the map to be used for physical geography articles. Whilst I'm fairly strong with graphics, the technical calibration and integration is not my strong point.
Perhaps the maps could somehow be linked into the Template:Infobox_Mountain, and then the fells could use that in a simillar way to the UK place infobox. Jhamez84 01:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I've added both the mountain infobox template and the map of Lancashire to the Longridge Fell article. Looks quite spiffy, if I do say so myself. I see what you (Warofdreams) were saying about incorporating the map into the mountain infobox template. I had to adjust the width of the map in the article in order for it to align with the left edge of the infobox. If information is added to the infobox that makes it wider than it currently is, then the map width would likewise need to be altered. The incorporation process seems the best plan of action. - Dudesleeper · Talk 15:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


Any toughts on this proposal, which seems to have stalled? Stub sorting/Proposals/2007/June#GB-MP-stub. Any thoughts would be welcome! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

The essay[edit]

Warofdreams, I wanted to say that you did an excellent job with that essay, and now that you've done the merge, it will be even more useful. I have to say that I liked the humor that you mixed in with the guide. :) Acalamari 16:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Priestley Riots[edit]

I am curious as to what source "Rude" refers to in your edit summary that changed the lead to Priestley Riots. Thanks. Awadewit | talk 17:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Great Hale, the photo you added, etc[edit]

Hello, I noticed you added a photo of the church at Great Hale (whose name I had got wrong because of some brain-malfunction on my part). When i was correcting it just now, I noticed that a deletion warning had been posted for it, and wondered if you had done whatever is necessary to prevent it. On a related issue, I'm curious as to how you got the photo and wondered if you have any connection with the village. I ask because, although I consider myself to be a Cheshire person from Haslington, my childhood from age 8 to 19 was spent living in Great Hale. That's why I'm curious. Sorry to disturb you if you haven't the time or inclination to reply.  DDStretch  (talk) 08:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

My username[edit]

Hello Warofdreams. I heard that you are one of these bureaucrats. Please change my useraccount to User:Pubaquoc without a redirect. Thanks. -P.P. 08:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know Raul654 has done this rename. WjBscribe 16:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 28 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Merton, Mitcham and Morden by-election, 1982, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 18:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


this was good and timely work. Well done! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for changing my name


(I was just came back from a 5 month trip to China)

Jason was here :-O! 14:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)