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How to format standalone ISBNs?

Hello teahouse denizens,

I have the following reference:

<ref name=D>{{cite | last=Dykes | first=William Rickatson | title=The Genus Iris | publisher=CambridgeUP | year=1913}}; facsimile edition reprinted by [[Dover Publications|Dover Press]], 1974, 0-486-23037-6.</ref>

The ISBN refers to the facsimile edition. I'd like to get the linking that comes along with using ISBN= in the citation template. In a pinch I could split this into two separate citations, of course, but I'd prefer not to. {{ISBN}} is a warning, so that doesn't help. Any ideas?


Barry.rountree (talk) 20:45, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Barry. You can use the parameter "isbn = " in {{cite}}, or in the more specific {{cite book}}. Note that the parameter name isbn is in lower case, not the upper case ISBN. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:59, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi Barry. This is something I have thought about but never tried to figure out before. Try two cite books inside one pair of reference brackets:

<ref name=D>{{cite | last=Dykes | first=William Rickatson | title=The Genus Iris | publisher=Cambridge University Press | year=1913}}; facsimile edition: {{cite book|author=William Rickatson Dykes|title=The Genus Iris|year=1974|publisher=Dover Publications, Incorporated|isbn=0-486-23037-6}}</ref>

Dykes, William Rickatson (1913). The Genus Iris. Cambridge University Press. ; facsimile edition: William Rickatson Dykes (1974). The Genus Iris. Dover Publications, Incorporated. ISBN 0-486-23037-6. 
StarryGrandma (talk) 21:06, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
That is a good solution. I wonder if the help pages or Manual of Style address this. Note that it is also possible to just do ISBN 0-486-23037-6 to create a link, or link title. Hope this helps. πr2 (tc) 22:04, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


Hmmm.... not quite what I was looking for. In trawling through TEMPLATE:Cite book I did find origyear, though. Let's try this:

{{cite | last=Dykes | first=William Rickatson | title=The Genus Iris | origyear=1st Ed. 1913 CambridgeUP | publisher=[[Dover Publications|Dover Press]] | year=1974 | ISBN=0-486-23037-6 | edition=reduced facsimile, 1st Dover}}

Dykes, William Rickatson (1974) [1st Ed. 1913 CambridgeUP], The Genus Iris (reduced facsimile, 1st Dover ed.), Dover Press, ISBN 0-486-23037-6 

Ok, that doesn't solve the general problem but it sure works for this particular problem. Thanks to all who answered for inspiring me to Read the Fine Manual.  ;-)

Barry.rountree (talk) 23:42, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

what do i need to do to get my article published?

i am a complete novice and do not really understand the ethics/methods here, so apologies in advance. my problem is i have made the article above but how can i get it live up on wikipedia? suggestions/ideas welcome! many thanks x 20:31, 29 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smashhits90s (talkcontribs)

Hello Smashhits90s. Over the last several years, Wikipiedia has developed notability criteria for which musical acts it will have an article on. I assume from your username you are part of this band? If so, the short answer to your question is to be successful and make your band notable enough that it meets the criteria. If the band is not notable at the moment, there is nothing you can do on Wikipedia to justify an article being created. Experienced Wiki editors call this the "Akon argument" - any article created for the the artist Akon when Wikipedia was founded in 2001 would have been deleted as he was not a notable act then. However there is now a permanent Akon article as the artist has since become notable.
Regards --LukeSurl t c 20:44, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Or somewhat less subtly, WP:GARAGEBAND.--ukexpat (talk) 18:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


How can I create a category?Paleocemoski (talk) 14:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. See Help:Category#Category pages. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:41, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Infobox for Project

Hello world :). I was thinking about to start the article for the "Walk in My Shoes" project and I wanted to know which infobox should I use. Help please :) Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 13:48, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Maybe I'm missing something very obvious, but what's the "Walk in My Shoes" project? Yintan  14:24, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
No, it's not obvious, sorry I forgot to tell. "Walk in My Shoes" is a project sponsored by Adam Clayton, it's an initiative to raise funds and to make people aware about the mental health difficulties that face Irish young adults.
That's it, I think. You can Google it if you like. I am not an expert, but that's my opinion. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 14:45, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Ummm... The 'non-profit' infobox[1] perhaps? Yintan  16:05, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
thank you very much Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 16:56, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Before you do much work on the article, Miss Bono, are you sure that the project meets the criteria for notability? I can only find sources connected with the project. --ColinFine (talk) 23:13, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

My user id is FKhuong. Question about "tag for a photo

you sent to me a message as follows:

License tagging for File:Tran Ngoc Lien in Buddhish Monk Outfit.jpg[edit]

Thanks for uploading File:Tran Ngoc Lien in Buddhish Monk Outfit.jpg. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information. To add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia. For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 06:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I added this in " |image has rationale=yes ", will this satisfy this requirment? Your guides are difficult to follow... Please help! Can you call me at <phone number redacted> Please !!!

Fkhuong (talk) 13:50, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. In general, the copyright belongs to the photographer, so you need to get the photographer to follow the process for donating copyrighted material. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:05, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
To add to the answer above, you say your uncle sent you the photo. Maybe we can give you a more detailed answer if you can tell us where he got the photo from? Is it an official government portrait? A holiday snap? Do you know who took the photo? Is it also used on other websites? That kind of information. Thanks, Yintan  14:31, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Check grammar, syntax and vocabulary of Serge Tisseron article

Hey! As part of a university course, I asked my students to write the english version of the Serge Tisseron article. I think they do a good job (it's the first time they contribute to WP) but their English is still poor (their motherlanguage is French). Could you pleaase help us fix grammar, syntax and vocabulary of article. Many thanks! IntraLucide (talk) 13:05, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Have made a start. The English is pretty good so I've just changed some phasing to a more common style. PRL42 (talk) 13:25, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much ;-) IntraLucide (talk) 20:52, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Adding Signature

Hi how could I add signature on infobox. It seems simple I've uploaded signature on commons, and used synthax as indicated,however it hasn't been appeared, and has been deleted. What could be missing? Emrahzorlu2 (talk) 12:13, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Template:Infobox artist does not have a signature parameter. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:26, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
thank you very much, is it convenient to use person infobox for article of David Cregeen who is sculptor ? Emrahzorlu2 (talk) 13:01, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Creating test pages in user space

Hey all. Quick question. I'm undergoing a tutoring program to help me learn to improve my contributions on the site. As part of this, I've just been asked to create a test page somewhere in my userspace. I'm, uh, sure it's possible to do this. Somehow. But... how? Justin.Parallax (talk) 10:27, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. The easiest solution is to put it in your sandbox, which you can access by clicking the Sandbox item in the top-right list of your screen (after your User page, notifications, and Talk). Once in the sandbox, edit as usual. Cheers, Yintan  10:31, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I think he's wanting me to make one that he can edit as well, don't think I can do that on sandbox? Justin.Parallax (talk) 15:11, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi Parallax, Anyone can edit your sandbox. I just put a little greeting message there just to verify that other users can edit it, feel free to undo my change. Also, you can essentially create any pages in your user space and link them to Wiki articles, etc. It's actually a very powerful feature. Here is some more info on user pages in general wp:user pages Essentially the Sandbox page is just a user page that exists for everyone and that there is a shortcut built into the UI to make it easy to find but you can create other user pages and anyone can edit them. BTW, I think it is possible to constrain user pages if you want to, I'm not sure how to do that as I've never had the need but the default in Wikipedia, as it usually is, is that anyone can edit them. Hope that helps RedDog (talk) 17:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

On top of the page I created is the following message: This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it, How can i fix this??

The page is about wrist osteoarthritis and I would really like to make the information easier to attain by making links to the page. How can I do this?Cvpoucke (talk) 07:51, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. You can fix this by adding wikilinks pointing to the article to related articles. Which I see from your contributions you've already started doing. And after that you can remove the {{orphan|date=October 2013}} line from the article's code. Yintan  08:04, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much!!Cvpoucke (talk) 08:25, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia need help to fix some issues

Dear Concern, I was trying to add a popular place of Dhaka, Bangladesh in Wikipedia. I need couple of things to fix. I need help. Here is the link.,_Dhaka .. Thank you. Afrin.Islam (talk) 03:47, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse Afrin.Islam. We have a problem with the articles content ..... can we get you to read over Wikipedia:Copy-paste please -- Moxy (talk) 04:20, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Did I fix the dead link correctly?

Hi I'm just curious what the protocol is when i find a live version of a dead link like in the internet archive for example to i leave the dead version their or do i delete it and just add the live version? Here is the Article in question Thanks in advance! Shashenka (talk) 16:56, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Shashenka. Thanks for searching out a dead link. You combine the two, the original and the archive link into a single reference using the cite template. I've done that in the article for you. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:51, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
No Problem and thanks for the help! Shashenka (talk) 18:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

How to fix inline citations that are not properly formatted

Hi, I am new to editing Wikipedia pages and am trying to fix the Dell wikipedia page so it no longer says "This article includes inline citations, but they are not properly formatted. Please improve this article by correcting them. (March 2013)" I have tried various edits to fix the citations but nothing seems to be working and the message won't go away no matter what edits I make to the citations. Does anyone know of specific changes that can be made to make this error message go away? Thank you! (talk) 16:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are confident that you have solved the problem, then go ahead and remove the tag yourself. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:04, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
When that tag was added in March by this edit, the edit summary said "adding Format footnotes template, as a lot of refs are just inline links". There were also a number of errors flagged up for some of what were refs. Both of those problems seem to have been solved in the intervening months, so you could justifiably remove the tag. There are still a few references which are bare urls, so if you wanted to improve the article further you could address that point. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:10, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you David! Do you know how I can remove the tag? Step one is getting rid of that note, then I will go in and further revise the page.

Thanks again! (talk) 17:46, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

You remove the tag simply by deleting {{Format footnotes|date=March 2013}} at the top of the article. Deor (talk) 18:40, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorting out a disagreement

I corrected the 'number of episodes' field in a TV series infobox but an IP editor (relevant because it means I've no idea how experienced s/he is) keeps reverting the edit (to which I've added a reference), because s/he thinks the number of episodes should be the number actually transmitted. I've checked other articles for TV series currently in transmission and they all seem to agree that the number should be the number advertised for the full series. As this has now effectively become a minor edit war I'm not sure how to proceed. I don't want to give up and leave the information incorrect but, equally, I don't want to be part of an edit war. (Article: Atlantis (TV series)) I have made a comment on the article talk page. PRL42 (talk) 16:34, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Good question. A discussion on the talk page is exactly how you should try to resolve this.--ukexpat (talk) 17:11, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Welcome to the teahouse. I would just add that if you can't resolve this on the Talk page the proper procedure to escalate things is here wp:dispute resolution Also, one thing I've done in the past is just asked people in the teahouse to join the discussion. Sometimes things just inevitably get tense between two users and it helps to have a third party give an opinion. RedDog (talk) 22:42, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
To add to what Red Dog said, you might wish to put a neutrally-worded invitaion to the discussion on the talk page of any Wikiprojects that are watching the article. There is a box at the top of the talk page that shows them. Gtwfan52 (talk) 02:30, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, the IP editor hasn't gone to the talk page, they've just reverted again. I would ask others to join the discussion but we don't have one yet. I have also done as suggested and added to a project talk page - apart from anything else I'd like some confirmation that my view is correct (or isn't) as I have not found any actual documentation to say it is - although it seems fairly obvious for several reasons. PRL42 (talk) 09:09, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
I've left the IP a message, maybe that will help. Cheers, Yintan  13:35, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


I submitted an article and it was declined for this reason: "Please combine inline and end references. Please read WP:CITEFOOT] and correct prior to re-submission." I am still a little unclear. Can anyone help? ThanksCamimack (talk) 15:09, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Camimack. You have some web page links appearing in the text of the article while the rest of the references are shown at the end, as desired. Your article has some problems with formatting references. The reviewer suggested you look at Wikipedia:Citing sources#How to place an inline citation using ref tags for help. You also have a list of bare urls for web pages at the end of the article that need turning into full references. We can help with more explanation if you need it. StarryGrandma (talk) 16:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I will look into this :)Camimack (talk) 17:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Difficulting linking to a page

Attempting to link a page Nicopress Swaging Sleeve in the 'see also' section of Swaging. It seems that the Nicopress Swaging Sleeve page does not exist when it actually does. Any insite? Thanks, Superior55 Superior55 (talk) 14:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Superior55, welcome to the Teahouse. Special:Contributions/Superior55 shows you called it Nicopress Swaged Sleeve. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:49, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

How can I use/view the images I have uploaded to Wikimedia Commons on my draft-article?

Could somebody help me please? I submitted an article last week but it was deleted next day because I had not entered the necessary Copyrights information about 2 images that I had uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. I contacted the OTRS about the permissions and stating my author/ownership. I got their reply thanking for my contribution and saying that the necessary modifications have been made on the file page. Now I am trying to prepare again my article for resubmission but I do not know how to access these two images that I uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. I “embed a file” on the draft, and then paste the wiki-commons link to my images. By doing so it worked when I first prepared the article and I could see the images when clicking on the preview. But now it doesn’t work and only get these links on the preview. When I click on them I am redirected to the Wikimedia Commons and asked to upload my files(???). These are the links to the files I want to use for the article: Many thanks in advance 3DNET-IAPP (talk) 11:32, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Simply replace the full URL with the name of the file (so [[]] becomes [[File:3D-NET_Logo.jpg]]). Incidentally, I'd suggest you also consider renaming your account (you can do so here), since your current username is in breach of Wikipedia's username guidelines. One more page you might like to take a look at (since I assume that you're affiliated with the topic you're writing about) is the best practice guide for editors with a conflict of interest. Yunshui  12:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you so Much Yunshui. I will certainly change my username ASAP. Yolanda. (talk) 12:35, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Correcting user name

Hello, I'm quite embarrased, I've been member a month and only noticed in large print that I made a typo in my user name. I can't keep it as it is. one 't' too many !! My spell check always goes off & I wear glasses...i miss many small typos- but this is terrible. I couldn't see how to change or fix it. thanks in advance Andys'edits notAndys'edtits (talk) 09:26, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Andy; Username change requests can be made at WP:CHUS. Cheers! --Glaisher [talk] 09:39, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi Andys'edtits, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you want a username change, you should read this, which is fairly self explanatory. However, assuming you want the account name Andysedits, Andy'sedits, Andy's edits or Andys edits, none of those accounts are registered, so you would want Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple. However, make sure you read the first link so that it doesn't go wrong. Good luck, thanks, Matty.007 09:41, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Or even Andys'edits is untaken. Matty.007 09:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, it's in progress. there's so much to learn, I'll be grey before I know it. Thank you. --Andys'edtits (talk) 13:38, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

hi again, sorry to be a nuisance. I can see somethings have changed and I saw ( not sure -a history- with comment about moving things for new user name Andrea edits) My signature is still the old one. Should I be logging in differently now? thanks--Andys'edtits (talk) 16:34, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Your contributions are under Andrea edits. Have you tried clearing your cache? Are you signing with four tildes? If it persists, you can go to 'Preferences' (at the top right) scroll down to 'Signature', and change it (this may be what is wrong). Thanks, Matty.007 16:57, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
As Matty said, your old contributions are listed under your new user name, but it looks as if you created a new account under the old user name at 16:07 UTC today and are editing from that account, instead of the new user name. Make sure that you log off, and then log on with the new user name. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:26, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
So sorry. I'll do that now. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andys'edtits (talkcontribs) 09:06, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
So so sorry, all fixed & saved from my side now. --Andrea edits (talk) 09:09, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
That's good, well done. Thanks, Matty.007 09:26, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I am ready to publish an article

and it does not need to go to review. How can I directly post this article to Wikipedia. Thanks Marilyn Nix (talk) 02:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Marilyn Nix, and welcome to the Teahouse. That looks like a good article, but (in my opinion) it needs some more inline citations; for such a detailed article; 6 citations is a few too few for me. Per this, the number of external links in the article body should be put in an 'External links' section at the bottom.
If it is reviewed, then it will be put into the mainspace; however, since you have created several articles of a good quality, the way to put articles directly into the mainspace is to click on red links/search for the article subject and click on the red link that comes up, type there, save, and it is in the mainspace. However, if an article in mainspace is considered 'unsaveable'; if there is a major issue with it, it may be tagged; or worse, deleted. Good luck, Matty.007 08:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
No, Matty, that's for creating a new article. The way to move an existing article to mainspace is to move it. For me, the "move" button is hiding under the downward arrow next to "View History". --ColinFine (talk) 10:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Ah yes, sorry. For me too, the 'Move' button is under the arrow. Matty.007 17:08, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Could someone help this person

I have a new user, User:Over the Orwell, who has so far spent all his edits on adding slightly negative information to Ben Gummer. With an election coming I expect that there will be a few of these users (on both sides) commenting on MPs and challengers in margianal constituencies. I don't think I'm the best person to help him and steer him into becoming a productive member. Could someone else please offer a welcoming hand?

22:54, 27 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JASpencer (talkcontribs) 22:54, 27 October 2013‎ (UTC)

How do I show the discographys etc of musicians who've composed, acted, done dance scoring?

Hi, been working on this article (Don McGlashan) and have got flummoxed by the discography and work section. Is there a set way to manage/show the work of people who've done things across different disciplines? Any exemplars I can use?

Vickytnz (talk) 20:40, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Vickytnz and welcome to The Tehaouse. I don't know the answer, but Whitney Houston and Dolly Parton comed to mind. Take a look at their articles and when I have time I'll suggest more.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:41, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Why do I keep getting speedy deletion nominations?

hi, i'm new to wikipedia and have been trying to create an english version of an article. but every time i create it, it gets flag for speedy deletion because apparently it has promotion reason. i've tried to rewrite it several times, always using neutral point of view, but it seams i still can't get it right. cou you give me your feedback on the article? Model European Union Zagreb (MEUZ). — Tenna1 (talk) 18:47, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

  • Failure to use wikilinks is often a sign of COI. Easy ways to avoid speedy tags include: a) restrict your editing to existing, well established articles and b) only create new articles on subjects which are uncontroversially notable. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:26, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Names for pages in Category:Vehicle registration plates by country

Why does those pages are named "Vehicle registration plates of " <country>? Those plates are not the part of the countries (like "The United States of America"). "of" should not represent the possession as if the plates are belong to the countries. Plates belong to the cars in the country. Teyandee (talk) 17:57, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello and Welcome! It's not big deal, it's just the naming. You could go to the talk page to discuss the naming issues to see how to community would react to it. ///EuroCarGT 18:42, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. Teyandee (talk) 18:43, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Teyandee. Prepositions in English are funny little things. They aren't necessarily used the same way in British English and American English for example. And they don't translate one for one from other languages. So using 'of' in "vehicle registration plates of..." is fine. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:49, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for reply. It is just that I have been using "of" to show the possession. Guess I need to brush up my language knowledge. Teyandee (talk) 18:09, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

try to add movie images from comons, but didn't work.

Hello, I have read what I can on how to add a picture - but I'm still having problem. On the talk page I saved the names of files I found in the wiki commons photo archive. I'd followed this instruction: 'upload image' -Once your image is uploaded to Commons or Wikipedia, you probably want to use it in an article. Fortunately this works the same way whichever site you uploaded it to. Simply click [edit] on the article you want to include the image in, then add the following where you want the image to appear:

File:Image name.jpg
Caption for the image

'. Because I found the pictures in the wiki commons, I thought I just needed to use the image name. After trying this, a box appeared with a caption, but the file name was in red where the picture should have been. the talk page is I didn't copy the exact text in red that came up, sorry. I hope I have explained the error. Thanks in advanceAndys'edtits 11:43, 27 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andys'edtits (talkcontribs) 11:43, 27 October 2013‎ (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I've corrected one of them for you; it wants the file name, not the URL. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:02, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that was what came up. Thanks for correcting on, now that I see it, it's almost too obvious! signature back to 'deafult setings' fixed other issue Thank You--Andys'edtits (talk) 13:02, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Not working

1.I put a citation on the Wonthaggi (town) page (where I live) under heading History sub-heading Victorian Desalination Plant. The citation should have become reference number ten but it has attached inself to number 7 (already in existance). Can you please fix this. I am new.

2.I am trying to save my town but I am new to this. I have spent two days at my computer and some idiot from Canada already rolled back when I was in the middle of adding citations. He's in Canada, I'm in Wonthaggi, what does he know about Wonthaggi? Seriously! I woke up today and just cried because of him, then I looked at his notes and he has done this to other people. Can yo please tell him to stop being a winding back god? He acused me of advertising, I'm just a mum trying to save my town, I have nothing to advertise, I'm just using information about my town. Correct information!Dalysporter (talk) 07:54, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Dalysporter, and welcome to the teahouse. I can see you're putting a lot of work into Wonthaggi: well done. However, as you say, you are new, and there is an awful lot to learn about editing Wikipedia. I think you've managed to fix the referencing problem: <ref> tags do not have to have a name, but if they have one and it is the same name as an earlier ref, it will merge them: that is how you get multiple references to the same source.
As to User:Dl2000 please be aware that one basic rule of Wikipedia is No personal attacks. Dl2000 does appear to be from Canada, but calling them an idiot because they changed your work is unacceptable. (I notice that Dl2000 has made well over 100000 edits to Wikipedia, which suggests that they know what they are talking about). They did not "accuse" you of anything - they said that you had added material which was promotional; and I agree. Listing non-notable businesses in a Wikipedia article about a town looks like advertising to me, and Dl2000 was right to remove those sections. I recommend you review What Wikipedia is not: while much of what you have written is appropriate to an encyclopaedia, some of it is not (for instance, part of the Bass Coast Rail Trail section reads like a travel guide, and should be removed (it might belong in Wikivoyage). --ColinFine (talk) 11:44, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Dalysporter, I've experienced this same awfully frustrating put in tons of work, and someone rolls back some changes while you're in the middle of it and you lose all your work. The best solution I've found is to save your work, either in your sandbox or just in notepad, or the clipboard or something. Then, cut and paste your changes in and submit them at once, rather than remaining in the edit screen for a long period of time. This minimizes the chance that your work gets accidentally destroyed as collateral damage when an editor is removing promotional or other non-encyclopedic material from your contribution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PrivatePublicity (talkcontribs) 12:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Submission Declined. Please help...

Hello hosts,

I have recently uploaded article about well-known company in my home country, GDG Professionals, but my submission was declined and I can not understand why. Could you please help me on this one. The link is

Please help... Thank you for your time, Best Regards, Max, DovakinsShadow (talk) 02:55, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello DovakinsShadow and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft article was declined because it does not show that the topic is notable. You say the company is well-known in your country. What you need to do is find significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, and add references to the article. Please read Referencing for beginners for tips. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:19, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Lower age limit

Hi! I joined earlier and just want to know why some pages eg Asian giant hornet cannot be edited and are locked off? Also I am on an Android and it says my browser cannot support image uploads. Which browsers do?

ALSO Just out of interest how old do you have to be to join Wikipedia? I have a 13-year-old brother who's interested.

Thanks in advance, TheNinjaReturns666 (talk) 20:53, 26 October 2013 (UTC) -TheNinjaReturns666 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheNinjaReturns666 (talkcontribs) 20:45, 26 October 2013 (UTC) Moved by Jamesx12345 20:58, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Asian giant hornet doesn't seem have been protected, so you should be able to edit it. For uploads, you could use the app, but be sure your pictures are of the right kind!
There is no lower age limit, but young users should be careful as there are lots of adults and lots of inappropriate content. In reality, its mostly fine. Hope that helps! Jamesx12345 21:03, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
You (or your brother) should probably have a look at Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors. πr2 (tc) 22:47, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! -TNR666 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheNinjaReturns666 (talkcontribs) 19:16, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Combining References...?

I want to re-submit this article for creation, but I don't understand what the comment; Please re-format to combine web and print media sources into 1 set of references Usually wiki articles have both news and web references.

Can someone please explain what this means?Wikiprague (talk) 16:51, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikiprague, you're right in that a lot of articles have both web and print references but the preferred style is not to separate them into two groups as you have done in your draft article. You've used the web references as in-line ciations and the print references as sources rather than using them to support specific points. I'd suggest that you rework so that all are in-line citations but in one group only - don't use the |group= parameter at all. I'd also agree with the reviewer's comments about the use of You Tube and finding more independent and reliable sources. NtheP (talk) 17:21, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Hi and welcome to the teahouse :) I'm not sure where you've seen this format before but usually references are grouped together regardless of web/non-web sources. If you want to take a look at how a good article is written for reference, take a look at some featured articles! Hope this helps. Samwalton9 (talk) 17:23, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Note: Wikiprague (talk) 17:29, 26 October 2013 (UTC)several other very reliable sources are listed as references and the YouTube video is a highly recognized interviewer for spiritual teachers that happens to use YouTube to display the videos. I will reference his website, which has the biography of Kosi and with the YouTube video embedded. Thanks so much for your help!!!!Wikiprague (talk) 17:29, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Wikiprague. You will need to prune down those external links according to our policy on links. We do not have links to blogs and not often to YouTube.--Charles (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

how to submit a plant identification

hello. very new here. I can identify plants in the pile of unidentified plant photos. I found one I can identify. How do I enter that information? Canuckpixel (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey Canuckpixel, welcome to the Teahouse. Could you let me know on what article or articles you were looking to identify the plants in question? I, JethroBT drop me a line 18:04, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

My article is flagged for speed deletion - Why?

Today I submitted my first article on wikipedia, about "Total productive Maintenance". However -after submitting- the article got flagged for speed deletion. After reading the guidelines, I'm unaware of the reason for this speed delete, since I'm not promoting any company or take credits for copyright material. The only reason I could find, is an opinion in the tekst: "However in my opinion this definition is lacking one crucial word, namely continuity". Is this the reason for the speed delete? Marijn0002 (talk) 11:12, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I suspect the speedy deletion request will be declined as the article does not seem promotional. The article does need inline citations to show which material has been drawn from which source.--Charles (talk) 13:32, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Greetings Marijn, welcome to the teahouse. The article as it currently stands is IMO not ready to be a Wikipedia article yet. It's really just the definition of the term and you have only one reference that supports the definition. IMO this information could easily be folded into a page on Total Quality Management rather than (as is) justifying a completely new article. That would be my guess as to the reason it was nominated for speedy deletion. If there is more to say on the topic then my suggestion is to flesh out the article some more with more detail and especially more than just one reference and resubmit. If that is all that there is to say my suggestion would be to fold the information into an existing page on TQM or some other topic. RedDog (talk) 19:33, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
FYI, I fixed the red link to TQM. When a link is red that indicates that the page wasn't actually found. There was some glitch in the spelling or something (Wikipedia can be a bit fickle that way). If you use the link widget from the pallete of edit icons you can make sure that you are always linking to an actual Wikipedia page. RedDog (talk) 19:41, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Blocked user page creation

Hi, if a blocked user creates a page (I know that constructive edits can be allowed to stand) that is OK, such as at Seige of Skardu by శ్రీధర్ బాబు, a blocked user? Is it allowed to stand; and if so, is there a slap on the wrist for the user? Thanks, Matty.007 10:21, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

A speedy deletion can be requested for articles created by sockpuppets of a blocked user once the sock puppetry is confirmed, the category being G5. Evidence of sockpuppetry can be presented at WP:Sockpuppet investigations. If the editor has been blocked since the article was created this does not apply and the Articles for Deletion process will have to be used if there is a sound reason to delete it.--Charles (talk) 13:39, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
What happens if it is created by a blocked user, but not a sock? Thanks for the answer, Matty.007 19:21, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
The user wasn't blocked when the article was created, so the last sentence of the reply from Charles applies. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:34, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

How to put a picture properly?

Hi, every time i put a picture on my wikipedia page, i get a notice of speedy deletion. How can i prevent it? Pratham 06:21, 26 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prathamprakash29 (talkcontribs)

Hi Prathamprakash, welcome to the teahouse! Let's see if I can help you out. In your deleted contributions, I see you uploaded File:School Library.jpg. That has been deleted, because we already have it at commons, our repository for free files under the name File:Library of NRSJPS.jpg. Now if I understand you correctly, you want to put that image on your userpage. If so, you can include that on your user page directly. To do so, you just put [[File:Library of NRSJPS.jpg]] on your userpage, and it will show up. Feel free to clarify further if I misunderstood what you are trying to do, or if you have more questions. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 08:44, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Hey Martijn, this is a bit of a complex case. Pratham is a new editor, full of wikithusiasm, but is having trouble with understanding all the WP:COPYVIO stuff. Their school is in their contrib-history, and some folks named WikiDan and Eastmain are helping edit the article into shape, but some of the contents (text and image) may need to get the do-over treatment to satisfy copyright concerns. If you, or someone else here, could give them the rundown on how to contest the deletion of uploaded images that are suspected COPYVIO, and walk them through one case, that would probably be helpful to them. Over on their talkpage, and the article talkpage, I'm going to try (with help from Yngvadottir and WikiDan and so on) to get them up to speed on WP:COI, and WP:OWN, and the general article-content-related stuff. Thanks for helping Pratham, and thanks for improving wikipedia. (talk) 02:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

How to put multiple articles that I'm working on in my sandbox?

Hi, this is actually the first time I'm trying to edit on Wikipedia. I'm just wondering how to keep multiple articles that I want to copy edit in the sandbox under my user ID. Someone suggested using links like [[User:<your_user_id>:sandbox/article1]], but I don't quite understand how to create those links, and put them on my sandbox page?Daomeideren (talk) 22:59, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Daomeideren. It's a pretty simple process - start by typing the name of the subpage you want to create into the Search bar at the top of the screen; for example User:Daomeideren/Sandbox1. You'll get a message saying, "Wikipedia doesn't have a page with that name", underneath which is a link marked "Start the User:Daomeideren/Sandbox1 page". Click the link, and then add some text; when you save the page, your sandbox draft is created. You can create User:Daomeideren/Sandbox2, User:Daomeideren/Sandbox3 and so on as you see fit.
Incidentally, you can add any string you like after the / - if you want to write a draft about spoon use in the Paleolithic, you could call the page User:Daomeideren/Paleolithic spoon use. It will still be treated as a draft.
One other thing - it's a good idea to add the code {{userdraft}} to the top of your sandbox page - not only does it let anyone seeing the page know that it isn't finished, but it also provides a useful link by which you can submit the article when it's done. Yunshui  23:35, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I should have added - to create links to your drafts, just enclose them in double square brackets, [[like this]]. Red text simply means the page hasn't been created yet. If you want to create a list of your subpages, your userpage or your main sandbox are good places to do so, at least until you've got the hang of user subpages.
You can also get a list of all the pages in your userspace by going to "Contributions" (in the top menu, above the Search bar), scrolling to the bottom of the page and selecting "Subpages" at the bottom of the screen. Yunshui  23:40, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Hello Daomeideren and welcome to the teahouse! I've taken the liberty of adding one of my templates to your main sandbox which will complete invalidate all of the above advice. All you need to do is go to your main sandbox, type the topic of the new draft that you want to create on the input line, and click the button to create your draft. This will open a new draft page in your userspace with the userspace draft header template per-applied for you so all you have to do is start writing your actual draft. Finding your drafts once you have started creating them is as simple as going to your main sandbox and the box right above the input line will automatically fill up with links to all your drafts. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 00:00, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the advice and the awesome template!Daomeideren (talk) 04:34, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

When the author of a source you've used says STOP

I tweaked the following entry: Horace Mann Jr. Now I see a message there, and it seems that initial part (way at the top) needs expanding to give a brief, overall view of the man's life. Right? I'd discuss it there (in "talk") but haven't done that before and think I might muck things up and get a faster answer here. I'd like to do more work on that fellow, but the author of a book I used as a reference seemed put-out by my use of her work as a resource, suggesting that if I wanted to write this man's biography for the Wikipedia I should do my own research in the unpublished manuscript she read in a library. I told her that wasn't permitted. And then she said she didn't like people stealing her research. So I backed off the project and she said it could stay as it is but that I should do no more. Not simply stop using her book, but leave the dead man alone. I've since been concerned that others might jump-in and expand this biography and I'd be blamed. I am the sort of person who wants to get along with people and not ruffle feathers, but I feel a commitment to history and dead people who did amazing things. With another biography I worked on, the author of a text I cited thanked me, so this was a surprise. But I feel as though I dropped the ball with that particular entry... I'll probably poke at it again and maybe won't get in trouble with the lady as long as I don't add any new information. Or post his picture. KathrynHKlos2 (talk) 21:21, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello again. I added/tweaked that initial entry on this man's biography... hope it's what is wanted. I didn't remove the message saying that part needed re-writing, figuring that alerts someone to something that needs looking-into. I do like how this biography turned out... could have said more about the young man, but at least one gets an overview of his life. Tried to get his class picture from Harvard but the year he graduated all the boys stood in a group and the picture was taken from above. A cool shot-- they are in suits and many have stove-pipe hats like Lincoln-- but no way to determine which was my man. KathrynHKlos2 (talk) 21:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello Kathryn. Your expansion of Horace Mann Jr. is fine; it definitely improves the article. I added just a few more words to the lead and took out the {{lead rewrite}} tag, since in my opinion the lead is now an adequate summary. EdJohnston (talk) 22:19, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
If the book in question has been published, and if the content you're adding is your own work using the book as a source (and no copied form it) then the author does not have the right to tell you not to use their work. Once it goes to print and distribution, it's out there for people to read, and becomes part of the corpus of research itself. You haven't stolen her research - if anything, you've done her a favour; her book is now featured as a reputable source on the world's sixth-largest website. Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and unless you are violating the author's copyright in some way, you are free to refer to her work and write whatever articles you deem appropriate based on it. Go right ahead and improve the article all you want. Yunshui  00:19, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello KathrynHKlos2 and welcome back to the Teahouse. I have looked at your talk page, the articles's talk page, and the article history. I see no such dispute in those places with an author of one of the references. As has been pointed out, no author, even the most famous, has the right to complain about their publically published work being properly cited in this (or any other) encyclopedia. "Properly" is the relevant word here. How did this author contact you. What were the specific details of their complaint? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:06, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I spoke with the author directly. Her book included a picture of the subject of the biography, and I wanted her permission to use it. She said that if she wanted the Wikipedia to include this person, she'd have written the biography herself. Horace Mann, Jr. had already been included in the Wikipedia but information was scanty and I felt the part about Thoreau important to include. I was able to find references to travel with Thoreau in several other sources, so it was no problem using these instead. The author I contacted objected to her research being used ("stolen") and didn't seem to understand that by referencing her book, I'd essentially be pointing it out to others who might want additional information. It was as though she "owned" this fellow. But whatever the misunderstanding was, it seems to have smoothed-over now. KathrynHKlos2 (talk) 21:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Question re "original research"

I know references used in Wikipedia need to be things that are published-- "available to all"-- and citations show others where they could go to find the source of the material. I've done some research on people in places accessible to everyone, which probably would be considered "original research" but for me the line is blurry. I like to tell people there are some very interesting things that are available to anyone. So here is my question: Is it possible to use the words written by an historical person-- to quote directly from a speech or letter-- if the citation says where that speech can be found and it is accessible to all? The citation would look like this, I am thinking (and forgive me if this is somewhere in the instructions for editors... I didn't see this exact thing discussed):

(Imagine a quote from a speech) Concord Free Public Library, Franklin Benjamin Sanborn Papers, 1845-1936, Vault A35, Unit 1, Folder 2, Prologue. Spoken at Anti-Slavery Festival, Concord, January 28, 1858.

Thanks for your time. KathrynHKlos2 (talk) 17:43, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

If you are drawing your own conclusions from the primary sources that is OR. If you are reporting the conclusions that secondary sources draw from primary sources that its not OR.--ukexpat (talk) 18:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello KathrynHKlos2. It seems to me that you are trying to quote unpublished primary historical documents. The problem with this is that you are deciding that this document is worthy of mention, but that other similar documents in Vault A36, or in a library in Lexington, aren't worth mentioning. That gets into the area of original research. Now, if a professional historian has discussed these papers in a published work, then that is a secondary source, and you can cite it. Wikipedia is not the place for publishing original research, but rather for summarizing what reliable published sources say about the topic. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:37, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I figured this was the case (that these things in libraries can't be used). Sometimes we run across an individual who made significant contributions (and the one I used in the example has-- he was partly responsible for the Civil War in the US and began a profession we now call "social work") but because few people in the US care about American History unless vampires are involved or it will become a video game, many historical figures are no longer researched. Meanwhile, some attic disgorges boxes of ephemera, and unless someone looks at that stuff and decides to write a book, it's shuffled to the basement of a library. Yes, I am writing a book, but I thought if I ran into something of immediate interest, I might be able to share. I didn't think so, but it's good to know.KathrynHKlos2 (talk) 19:59, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Kathryn, you may have already thought of this but I wanted to point out that there may be work arounds for the issue you are describing. A reference doesn't have to be a book or journal article. So if by any chance you are putting together a web site or blog that supports your book it seems to me you could publish your notes about the document in question (perhaps even a scanned image of the actual document) on that web site and then you could use that as a reference. Normally, I would say doing something like that is just a work around for getting OR into Wikipedia but in this special case -- where there is actual information that could benefit people locked away in a vault -- it seems to me at least that it would be reasonable. RedDog (talk) 16:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
While nothing said here has been incorrect, I will toss in my two cents: Kathryn should always feel free to find interesting (by her standards) information in primary documents, and then place that sourced information into the article-talkpage. Someday -- such as when Kathryn publishes her book -- the info in those primary sources may become Notable, and be migrated into mainspace, with a secondary-source cite. But there is also the possibility that secondary sources *already* exist, and no wikipedian has yet discovered them, which explains why the article currently lacks such info. By putting selected quotes from primary sources into the article-talkpage, Kathryn may trigger the memory of some future editor, and thereby indirectly improve the mainspace thataway. Plus, I will point out, that primary sources *are* perfectly fine in wikipedia, and can be used with care to enrich the detail of the main article. If there are ten secondary sources that discuss the position of Larry-the-BLP on some issue, and Kathryn runs across a quotation from Larry-the-BLP which gives their position explicitly, then it is perfectly WP:NOTEWORTHY to put the quotation into the article, citing the primary source, as long as the article retains WP:NPOV, plus also WP:UNDUE considerations are duly taken into account. p.s. Strange that WP:OWN exists outside wikipedia! How dare you research the person I've also researched.... (talk) 12:19, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I am smiling-- this is so much fun.

I am currently trying to make a fellow I've been researching "notable" enough to exist outside of my sandbox. It's rather like being able to resurrect the dead. KathrynHKlos2 (talk) 23:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Reviewers needed!

Hi all, I'm new to all this so if I did something wrong please go easy on me. So I've created 3 structural diagrams for a compound known as "Silver Chromate", seeing that it's in the category requesting structural drawing. I've read the related articles on conventions to the best of my ability but I'm not sure if I've got all of them covered. So I created a personal sandbox that showcases the modifications I've made (addition of the structural drawings and one citation to the paper that describes the structure). Could anyone comment/advise/suggest changes? (P.S. you can find the link to the sandbox on my user page) TheGreatPanda (talk) 17:32, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello TheGreatPanda. Your new diagrams should be helpful, but you need to find one or two experts to give you a better response. Please leave a note at WT:CHEM and ask for feedback there. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 22:25, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Help Formatting table

Hi, i'm just working on pages to do with the Icicle Works and I cant get the formatting for the 'singles' table right in the discography section of the page The Icicle Works. Bit's of text keep appearing in the wrong column and so on, it's to do with those blasted rowspans i'm sure... Any help much appreciated, thanks :) Jonathan aka Jonie148 (talk) 15:54, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Jonathan and welcome to The Teahouse. I don't see a problem. Have you fixed it yourself?— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:17, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, sorry I fixed it myself and forgot to remove the question. Thanks anyway. Jonie148 (talk) 08:55, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Did you know

I am in a process of choosing a did you know for a new article but I don't know which one I should choose:

These are the nominee:

Also, I would like to know about the process for a nomination. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 18:50, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

You can nominate with more than one suggested hook and let the other reviewers decide which works best. The process is described at Template talk:Did you know.--ukexpat (talk) 19:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi Bono..great to see you again. See can also Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines as for the best one ...The second one links the desired article first and does not link to may articles in one small sentence. And the second one is simply a fact that most previous non-fans would know about,..they may find this fact interesting a they can benefit fro the knowledge. The other ones are interesting but have no tangible benefit for our readers. Your just lucky that this fact is an appealing to fans who what to see more images etc.. -- Moxy (talk) 19:05, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

  • Hello and welcome back to the Teahouse Miss Bono. I personally find the first two most likely to succeed (I think the first is more interesting than the second). I would put those two up and offer to remove th links to U2 and Autobiography (or post it without those two links) as I think those links are unneeded and unhelpful. Good luck! Technical 13 (talk) 22:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
@Miss Bono: Hey Miss Bono. I hate to tell you this but it's already more than five days since the article's move to the mainspace on October 18, 2013‎ at 14:14 (UTC). DYK requires that articles be "new", meaning less than five day's old since creation or since fivefold expansion, or since a move to the mainspace. This does not necessarily mean that it will be rejected as not new enough. In the supplementary rules linked above, it notes that "'Five days old' limit should be strictly enforced only if there is a large backlog of hooks". So what I am really saying is: Hurry! If you need help in doing the mechanics of the nomination because you're time is too short to mess around with figuring it out since it's your first time, I will gladly post it for you, and then you can make whatever changes you see fit. But because it's six days and a few hours old already, you need to prepare yourself for a not unlikely rejection. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:32, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Fuhghettaboutit yes, I want your help. Please, let me kow if you are available today. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 12:15, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
I am nominating it right now. Give me a few minutes.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:13, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
@Miss Bono: Done. The template (which you should watchlist) is Template:Did you know nominations/U2 by U2. The listing for it is at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on October 18. Good luck!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Fuhghettaboutit Thanks very much! Sorry for the late reply, I don't edit on weekends. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 12:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Miss Bono, you may want to bear in mind that there is a time limit of 5 days after the creation of a page. Thanks, Matty.007 14:09, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Yep, Matty, Fuhg already told me that. Let's see what happen! Thanks :) Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 14:12, 28 October 2013 (UTC)