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Add The Game Awards

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I think we should list a video game award/award ceremony of some sort (we list none), and this one has basically become the video game equivalent of the Grammy Awards  5. And while it's certainly newer (2013, 2003 if you want to count the Spike Video Game Awards), its last two events had well over a hundred million viewers and there's been years where it's viewership has more than doubled from the previous, and that growth probably won't stop any time soon. For comparison, 18.25 million people watched the Grammy's in 2023, while 118 million watched the Game Awards. If added, I propose a new section of the list be added under the Video games section titled "Video game awards", since there's nowhere else that this can reasonably go at the moment.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 21:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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1. Too recent, game award shows have come and gone. We can't yet say if this will have the longevity of the Grammies for example. Makkool (talk) 17:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
2. per Makkool. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
3. --Thi (talk) 21:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Foster care  5

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It's a way of taking care of children. Maybe somewhere under Family and kinship. Interstellarity (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Obvious add. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:47, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Support; it should be placed under Everyday life/Family and kinship/Marriage and parenting/Parenting in my opinion, where Adoption already is.

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Neutral

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1. Just noting that the Everday life section is over-quota by 3; we should propose an article to remove as well.

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Add Balloon  5

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Found everywhere in parties. Maybe in Toys in Sports, games, and recreation. Interstellarity (talk) 22:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Obvious add. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 13:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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1. This shouldn't be added without removing another article, because the section is 31 articles over-quota. Also, Balloon is the wrong article to add to the toy section. I'd support adding Toy balloon if something else was also removed, or it was moved to an under-quota section.Mrfoogles (talk) 22:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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1. If we're talking about party balloons what should actually be added is probably the page Toy balloon, which covers exactly that. Also, Balloon (aeronautics) was already added to the vital articles in the Technology section, and that heavily overlaps with Balloon (most of both their articles go over the same use cases).Mrfoogles (talk) 22:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Bicameralism  5

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A popular type of Legislature  4, according to the article in use in 40 % of countries.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:25, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Unicameralism could possibly be added to. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:30, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 21:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Judgment notwithstanding verdict and Rule of lenity

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The former article states this is a "rarely granted intervention" in American state courts. The latter one states "It is infrequently cited in contemporary opinions" and has no interwikis.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Support removal of Rule of lenity. It sounds like an extension of the Presumption of innocence  4 to me. Swap Judgment notwithstanding verdict for Jury trial as the latter is the context in which the former is invoked, and has application worldwide. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Support both Makkool (talk) 16:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
4. both per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Damage  5

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A very common concept, albeit somewhat dicdef. Should be V5.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Siesta  5

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An enduring cross-cultural practice.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Big in Spanish-speaking countries. The Blue Rider 12:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 17:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
6. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:10, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Cyberspace  5

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Important concept in science and fiction, 49 interwikis. Almost 7k daily pageviews. Not sure which section to add this too, suggestions welcome. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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1. as nom --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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AddParliamentary system  5

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A common type of government found throughout the world. Interstellarity (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Glaring omission; support. The Blue Rider 16:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Presidential system  5

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A common type of government found throughout the world. Interstellarity (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Glaring omission; support. The Blue Rider 16:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Entrée  5, Main course  5, and Side dish  5

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Three well known topics in terms of a meal that have not been listed. We list Hors d'oeuvre  5, so I'm sure we can list all three of these. All three should be listed under the Basics of Cooking, food and drink in the main Everyday life page [1].

Support

1. All three as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Hors d'ouvre should have the rest of them listed alongside. Makkool (talk) 16:12, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Graphics  5

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Well known concept in the world of design/visual arts that hasn't been listed yet. Different from Graphic design  4. Should be listed under Modern visual arts [2].

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 05:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Extradition  5

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Important concept in law enforcement.

Support

1. As nominator. To law. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
3. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Televangelism

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Important concept to modern and contemporary religion

Support

1. _pbp 14:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 11:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Very important. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Proactive law, Uniform act, Economic torts, and Record sealing

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More minor concepts in law. These have zero interwikis. One is too essay-like, another has few applications, and for the latter one, we don't yet list public records, and so on.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Support all Makkool (talk) 12:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
4. None of these seem important enough to be vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Various Culture removals

Remove Bokmål and Nynorsk

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Official written standards of the Norwegian language. Norwegian is only V5, spoken by 4-5 million people, and the general article explains both of them in detail.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Nauruan language

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Unlike other Austronesian languages, this one is entirely concentrated in the Island of Nauru. By far the least spoken language from this group we list. It has less than 10,000 speakers.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Business English

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Sparse article. I could wager this type of education is on the decline as countries increasingly have a larger pool of people who learn English through media, school, etc.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
4. As someone who had business english classes I am surprising by the little amount of interwikis, I thought it was a more widespread type of education. Support per nominator. The Blue Rider 11:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Lifestyle journalism and Radical media

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Minor areas/concepts in journalism and media. Low pageviews and interwikis suggest these are not frequently used.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Fyi we also list Alternative media  5 which covers similar ground to radical media Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove One Man's Family and People Are Funny

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Long-running, but frankly these shows appear to be more or less forgotten, at least compared to the others we list.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove International Broadcasting Convention

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Trade show for the TV industry. The article does not assert much vitality. 2 intewikis

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove CSI (franchise)

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It’s proven a little hard to reduce the television section, even though it’s been voiced that we have too many shows, so this is my only proposal here. We already have CSI: Crime Scene Investigation  5, which spawned the franchise.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 11:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove List of fashion magazines and List of humor magazines

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I suppose it’s not impossible to turn these into comprehensive articles, but I agree that most list articles are too informal for a VA.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Lists don't have a place in the Wikipedai since they can't even be brought to GA status. The Blue Rider 11:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Better Homes and Gardens (magazine)

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Possibly included because the article states its “the fourth most widely circulated magazine in the United States”. Nowadays it’s the fifth, and magazines 2-4 don’t even have articles, let alone are VAs.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
4. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Human skull symbolism

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This one stood out for me because it’s the only “symbolism of x” we have. Too sparse for a VA.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Swap Writers Guild of America, East  5 and Writers Guild of America West  5 with Writers Guild of America

There are meaningful differences between them, but two slots are excessive. We list only six individual labor unions in the politics and economics section, though I would agree we should have more.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

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1. Two may seem excessive, but afaict they were never a single organization and the umbrella article as such is sparse. In any case, it should be moved with the other labour unions.

Possible Anglo-American bias in Law

Remove Fundamental Laws of England

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Low page views and zero interwikis suggest this is not a favored classification. The treatise by William Blackstone, from which this originates, looks more influential.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Remove, and we should add the book it came from. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove High Court of Justice

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“Together with the Court of Appeal and the Crown Court, are the Senior Courts of England and Wales” Covered by Courts of England and Wales  5

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
3. I would support removing Supreme Court of Canada  5 as well and swap it for, IDK, maybe Supreme People's Court. feminist🩸 (talk) 17:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:03, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Court of Session

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Similar to the above. Supreme Civil Court of Scotland. It has some interesting faculties but is technically subject to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom  5.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove United States Tax Court

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Judicial body that resolves disputes arising from actions or interpretations by the Internal Revenue Service. Just two interwikis. I would list the IRS first.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Support swap with IRS Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Swap with IRS, which should definitely be listed first. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Swap with IRS. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Swap with IRS. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Lists of legislation

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Suffers from the problems of most list articles: sparse, informal, not comprehensive.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Not only is it a list, it is a list of lists. There is no good reason to list it. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Inns of Chancery and King's Inns

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The former played a role in fostering legal education and professional standards but was not necessarily more important than similar organizations from other countries. Ditto for the latter. Low page views and interwikis as well.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Citizens United v. FEC  5

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If I am following correctly, this started because a conservative nonprofit wanted to air a documentary critical of Hillary Clinton during the 2008 U.S. election cycle. It led to some changes in campaign finance law and I can believe it was controversial, but I don’t see how this stands out compared to other landmark decisions by the United States Supreme Court.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Recent, but with overwhelming and controversial influence on the current state of affairs in US politics 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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• @Tabu Makiadi: I haven't made up my mind as to whether we should list this yet, but I am leaning towards oppose. The influence of this ruling was the creation of the modern system of Super PACs that can rake in millions of dollars to spend on a candidate, and allow lobbyists to circumvent typical spending limits. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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Non-theism cleanup

Remove Secularism in France  5

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We don't list articles on secularism in other countries.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. If there's only country in the world where a "Secularism in x" article makes sense, it is France. The concept of laïcité has been extremely pervasive in the French identity ever since the Enlightenment and is responsible for several uniquely French political undercurrents and incidents such as the burqa ban. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Per above Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Separation of church and state in the United States  5

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We don't list articles on the separation of church and state in other countries.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Weak oppose. Arguably the first country to ever separate religion from the state and for that reason, it is a fundamentally core part of the American political fabric and probably warrants a VA5 slot. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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Swap Civil naming ceremony with Naming ceremony  5

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Naming ceremony covers both religious and secular types.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Secular coming-of-age ceremony

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A niche and specific concept to list at VA5, plus it's covered by Coming of age  5.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Support Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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Another economics and business roundup

I promise to come up with more removal proposals soon. In the meantime, I’d say every concept here is vital, though, of course, I would like to hear what you think first.

Add Universal suffrage  5

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This has become so widespread that it is often the baseline for "suffrage" itself, but true universal suffrage (all adult men, women, and ethnicities), only emerged in the early 20th century and is a milestone in the history of democracy.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Common nowadays. Should we add compulsory suffrage as well? The Blue Rider 13:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Oligopoly  5

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Along with [[Perfe ct competition]] and Monopoly  4, these are the three fundamental types of Competition (economics)  5.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Glaring omission. The Blue Rider 12:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Governance  5

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This is an important concept in corporate, policy, and academic environments.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:14, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Financial crisis  5

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The economic disruption caused by the drop in the value of financial institutions or assets. Some crises are important enough to be considered vital, for example, Great Depression  3, Great Recession  5, 1997 Asian financial crisis  5, 1998 Russian financial crisis  5, Black Monday (1987)  5, among others.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Extremely important; financial crisis shape the world greatly. The Blue Rider 14:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Benchmarking  5

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The process of comparing a company’s performance metrics to industry standards or best practices.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Marginal cost  5

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Our economics coverage at this level would be incomplete without addressing the concept of marginality, which sits right at the difference between Classical economics  5 and Neoclassical economics  5. Although both marginalism and marginal utility are similar concepts, this is the more straightforward one.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Glaring omission. The Blue Rider 12:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Money laundering  5

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The process of concealing the origins of illegally obtained money, typically via transfers involving foreign banks or legitimate businesses.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Amusement park removals

These are my old additions that can be cleaned off.

Remove Animal theme park

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Different from zoo. Not a notable type of theme parks.

Support

1. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
5. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Remove Miniature park

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Legoland is the most famous one of this type. Not notable enough to be considered vital.

Support

1. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
5. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Remove Safari park

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Doesn't seem notable enough either. We neither list Game reserve or Safari  5, which we really should have before this.

Support

1. As nom. (remove or swap with Safari) Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Swap with Safari. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Swap with Safari. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Swap with Safari. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
5. Swap 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The article is pretty poor right now, but these are often prominently proposed as more ethical alternatives to traditional Zoo  4s. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Remove Family entertainment center  5

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An indoor amusement park. They're a popular leisure activity for families, and common across the world, but I still think we could cut it. Not major tourist attractions.

Support

1. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
3. 2 interwikis only. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Common enough. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Widespread, if not commonly known under that name Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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