Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Veganism and Vegetarianism

New member, recent importance assessments and some more

Hi! I'm new here, excited to join. I've recently completely reworked Soy curls (I nearly removed everything and started from zero) but it is still missing a lot. I've also assessed the following articles, although I'm not sure if they are correct so feel free to change them:

• L. J. C. Daniels: low importance. He was vegetarian, but there is only that
• Orphism (religion): Mid importance. Perhaps could be high? It is a cool religion from the 6th century BC and they followed a strict vegetarian diet.
• Talk:Paul Carton: Mid importance. Doctor from the 20th century that promoted "naturist vegetarianism"
• Elsie Shrigley: High importance. Co-founder of the vegan society, Credited to coin the term "vegan". Could perhaps be even Top?
• Talk:Tom Regan: He was Top. Changed to High. Writer of The Case for Animal Rights, which isn't part of this project yet but I feel it should. AdrianHObradors (talk) 13:57, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

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Charles Wesley and John Wesley

I have removed Charles Wesley from the WikiProject. According to historical sources he tried a vegetarian diet for less than a few months (this means nothing considering he lived 80 years). He was not a long-term vegetarian and very little sourcing exists on his diet. His brother John Wesley was a long-term vegetarian so belongs in the WikiProject. Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:48, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Charles Wesley has long been CLAIMED to be vegetarian by Christian vegetarians. Where is the evidence that he was not a long-term vegetarian? MaynardClark (talk) 20:24, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

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Yoga and vegetarianism

Some of the influential yoga teachers and writers were vegetarians but this information is missing from their Wikipedia biographies. Examples include Tirumalai Krishnamacharya, B. K. S. Iyengar, Indra Devi, Beryl Bender Birch, Amrit Desai, K. V. Iyer, Jon Kabat-Zinn, Shri Yogendra, Swami Satchidananda, Satyananda Saraswati, Sivananda Saraswati, Paramahansa Yogananda, Anandamayi Ma, Lokenath Brahmachari, Kriyananda, Vishwananda. Psychologist Guy (talk) 19:58, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Not some but most of them because yogic philosophy conventionally mandates Sattvic diet or vegetarianism. Rasnaboy (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Eyestalk ablation for Translation of the week

Hello! I'm reaching out to you because in October, I proposed the English-language article Eyestalk ablation for the Translation of the week project. So far, it's gotten 3 votes and 1 opposition. Given your interest in divulging animal rights, I thought you might be prompted to vote for it and make it available in many more languages. Thank you beforehand! --Brunnaiz (talk) 12:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Interesting topic, where do you vote for this? I could not find the link. Psychologist Guy (talk) 17:34, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Islam and veganism

It is hard to find historical examples of veganism in Islam, although there was the former-Muslim Al-Ma'arri. Some Sufi mystics were vegetarian. For example Rumi might have been vegan "Rumi was a staunch vegetarian and shunned even milk and milk products" [1]. Rabia of Basra was a vegetarian, as was Bawa Muhaiyaddeen [2] but these are only an extreme minority. There is only a handful of examples. I would like to improve Rumi's article and add mention of his vegetarianism. Psychologist Guy (talk) 17:40, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Category: Vegans

I noticed that the Category:Vegans exists under "People in Veganism" but only has eleven individuals listed. This seems like an area for considerable expansion, especially when cross referenced with the List of vegans and wanted to check if there was a reason it had not been done previously? Vegantics (talk) 15:55, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes Vegantics, it was decided years ago that the 'List of vegans' could only be distributed to the 'See also' sections of the pages of those who were publicly dedicated and active vegans (same with List of vegetarians). That would go for the category as well, only those who publicly and often proclaim they are vegans or, better yet, those who are public activists should fit into 'Vegan' categories. How they are named and sorted maybe hasn't been discussed as yet. Thanks for focusing on this and these topics. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:12, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

I think I understand but forgive my inexperience here. It sounds like only individuals on the List of vegans for whom veganism plays a significant role should have it included on their page in the "See also" section.

In terms of Category:Vegans, the same dedication is required to justify including it in the Categories section on their page. If so, there are certainly vocal, active vegans who could be added to the Vegans category (albeit not everyone on the List of vegans).

Looking a little more, I realized many of the names I expected to see under Vegans are listed in the Category:Vegan Activism. Perhaps listing them in both areas is redundant, since both are subcategories of People in Veganism, but that seems a different area of discussion than non-activist public vegans. Vegantics (talk) 16:40, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

The vegans category is going to be deleted. It was already previously deleted and there has been a broad consensus to delete that category. All categories must be defining. Veganism activists is the good category to expand and keep because those individuals are known for their veganism. We can only use vegan and vegetarian categories if the person is notable for that, it must be a defining feature of their life. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

How ought that 'expansion' to be optimally achieved? MaynardClark (talk) 23:17, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Albert Einstein

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Critics of veganism

We have a critics of veganism category but it is not well populated. I recently found a critic of veganism Chris Belshaw [3], [4] that might qualify for an article. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:54, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Eric Adams 'relationship' with vegans and plant-based diets

Eric Adams is a pescetarian as he is a big fish consumer and has admitted to eating fish at restaurants. He is not a vegan or vegetarian, he is a pescetarian. He currently is currently included in the "American veganism activists" category [5] and has now been included on the veganism template [6]. I think we need to have a discussion about this and come to a consensus view because I do not believe he should be on these templates. Psychologist Guy (talk) 21:15, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Is NYC Mayor Eric Adams (D-NY) "a big fish consumer" or "an occasional fish consumer" (as are some/many macrobiotics? MaynardClark (talk) 19:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Big fish consumer. We have quite a few WP:RS on this, he has been seen in multiple restaurants ordering and eating fish. Even his personal assistant admitted he is pescetarian. Psychologist Guy (talk) 12:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I think that the question each of us ought to be asking is how might the NYC Mayor's Office have enhanced the herbivorous values that we have today, with the deep enrichments from decades of careful scientific work, bolstering granular understanding of veganism's desirability, so that vegan values, practices, and 'efficiencies' could be embedded imaginatively in social services and public events. Eric Adams speaks often on behalf of the health benefits of plant-based and plant-exclusive diets. While he ought to learn about the practical realities of toxic buildups in the fish who swim in oceans (dumping grounds) and anywhere near cities (and fish are migratory, and those buildups are fast because of their rapid respiration rates), he seems pointed in desirable directions related to food. I think we 'miss the point' of what is notable TO US and our concerns about Eric Adams and his public places. MaynardClark (talk) 13:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Ralph Waldo Trine

Ralph Waldo Trine's Wikipedia article has sadly been deleted [7]. I suspect that it will be created again, if it is recreated his vegetarianism should be re-added. Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I created a new article for Ralph Waldo Trine. Psychologist Guy (talk) 10:09, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Kyozan Joshu Sasaki

Kyozan Joshu Sasaki who died age 107 I am trying to find sources for his vegetarian diet. This source says that his students were fed communal vegan meals [8]. Psychologist Guy (talk) 10:11, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

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List of vegetarians

Unfortunately many of the celebrities cited as being vegetarian on the article list of vegetarians are not vegetarian as they eat chicken or fish. I am currently removing non-vegetarians from the list. See talk-page discussion. Any help would be appreciated. Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:46, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

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Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics

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• Position Paper on the vegetarian approach to eating (1980)

Authors: Lydia Sonnenberg, Kathleen Keen Zolber, U. D. Register.

"The American Dietetic Association affirms that a well planned diet, consisting of a variety of largely unrefined plant foods supplemented with some milk and eggs (lacto-ovo vegetarian diet) meets all known nutrient needs. Furthermore, a total plant dietary can be made adequate by careful planning, giving proper attention to specific nutrients which may be in a less available form or in lower concentration or absent in plant foods."

• Position of The American Dietetic Association: Vegetarian diets—technical support paper (1988)

Authors: Suzanne Havala, Johanna Dwyer. Reviewers: Phyllis Acosta, George Eisman, Alice Marsh, Connie Metcalf, Patricia Mutch, U. D. Register, Kathleen Zolber.

"It is the position of The American Dietetic Association that vegetarian diets are healthful and nutritionally adequate when appropriately planned."

• Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets (1993)

Authors: Suzanne Havala, Johanna Dwyer. Reviewers: Phyllis Acosta, Patricia Johnston, Mary Clifford, Winston Craig, Virginia Messina.

"A considerable body of scientific data suggests positive relationships between vegetarian diets and risk reduction for several chronic degenerative diseases and conditions, including obesity, coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and some types of cancer. It is the position of The American Dietetic Association that vegetarian diets are healthful and nutritionally adequate when appropriately planned."

• Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets (1997)

Authors: Virginia K. Messina, Kenneth I. Burke. Reviewers: Winston J. Craig, Johanna Dwyer, Suzanne Havala, D. Enette Larson, Reed Mangels, Lenore Hodges, Cyndi Reeser.

"Scientific data suggest positive relationships between a vegetarian diet and reduced risk for several chronic degenerative diseases and conditions, including obesity, coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and some types of cancer. Vegetarian diets, like all diets, need to be planned appropriately to be nutritionally adequate. It is the position of The American Dietetic Association (ADA) that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, are nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."

• Position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada: Vegetarian diets (2003)

Authors: Reed Mangels, Virginia Messina, Vesanto Melina.

"It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and the Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."

• Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets (2009)

Authors: Winston J Craig, Reed Mangels.

"It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes."

Wikipedia articles need to be created for:

• Winston J. Craig
• George Eisman
• Patricia Johnston
• D. Enette Larson
• Virginia Messina

Kenneth I. Burke, Mary Clifford, Lenore Hodges, Cyndi Reeser, Connie Metcalf, Patricia Mutch, Lydia Sonnenberg do not qualify for a Wikipedia article as there is a lack of reliable sources that mention them. Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

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Scholars of veganism

For a long time there has only been a category for veganism activists. Some of the people included on these lists are not activists for veganism they are academics or scholars.

I have now created scholars of veganism for academics and scholars who have written about veganism. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:42, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

It's a long pending one. Thanks. Rasnaboy (talk) 03:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Christian Mortensen

Christian Mortensen was not a vegetarian, see talk-page. His article should be updated. Psychologist Guy (talk) 15:20, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Most of the athletes listed are not vegan or vegetarian

@MaynardClark:

Many of the athletes you added are not vegan or vegetarian, I will go through the others later. If you research these individuals deeply you will find newspaper reports or interviews where they have admitted to eating eggs or fish. Venus Williams for example has never been a vegan. She calls herself a "cheagan" as a joke, and has admitted she still eats red meat. CM Punk eats fish. Most "athlete or celebrity lists" online for vegans or vegetarians are completely inaccurate, they are usually promotional lists. They are not reliable unfortunately.

The Wikipedia lists are more accurate but still need work, see list of vegans and list of vegetarians. Also see the discussions on those talk-pages. I have done work on these lists removing unreliable names. Psychologist Guy (talk) 19:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Can we suppose that this illustrates that seemingly 'reliable' sources are unreliable and not to be believed (or that 'vegans' as a grpup may be targeted by publicists for such celebrities in order to advance these celebrities by the talking habits of activists)? Is there a term for disinformation for political or publicity or self-aggrandizement purposes? Lying? Disinformation? This scenario highlights important points:

1. Reliability of Sources: It suggests that not all claims made by publicists or even by the general public (hoi polloi) about celebrities' lifestyles are accurate. This underscores the importance of verifying information from credible sources before accepting it as true.
2. Potential Targeting by Publicists: It's possible that publicists or marketing teams may strategically align celebrities with certain causes or lifestyles, such as veganism, in order to enhance their public image or appeal to specific demographics, including environmentally conscious or socially aware consumers.
3. Activist Influence: There may indeed be instances where celebrities are promoted as vegan or vegetarian to capitalize on the popularity of these dietary choices among activists or certain consumer groups. This could be seen as a form of "greenwashing" or exploiting the values and beliefs of a target audience for personal or professional gain.

In light of these considerations, it's essential to critically evaluate the information presented by publicists, media outlets, and even fellow activists. Doing so helps ensure that individuals can make informed decisions and avoid being misled by potentially biased or inaccurate representations.MaynardClark (talk) 19:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

PETA and various vegan organizations or activist websites such as VegNews compile a lot of these lists, they then are copied to websites like imdb. The websites are indeed activist influenced and unreliable. Such websites have an agenda to claim most athletes or celebrities are vegan. They basically lie to promote their cause. In reality very few athletes are vegan. A lot of celebrities sometimes flirt with veganism for a short while as a publicist stunt for advertising, it is just a scam to make money. There are very few long-term vegan celebrities. I say this as someone who has spent countless hours researching the topic. PETA used to do the most sexiest vegetarian award and things like that but most of the celebrities posed semi-nude for them in a single advert, this doesn't mean they are long-term vegan or vegetarians. It's is just a publicist stunt.

You also have the fact that some alleged long-term vegans are not even vegan. David Haye for example has been caught eating chicken and Kat Von D eats eggs and meat all the time but if you read their Wikipedia articles it still says they are vegan. We need good WP:RS. If I see a good source saying any of the celebrities eats eggs or fish, then we can remove mention of vegan from their Wikipedia articles.

As a historian I am more interested in historical vegetarians. Most of the historical individuals I have researched were vegetarian and did not cheat. Unfortunately in todays society there seems to be an obsession with consuming fish but then people claiming incorrectly they are vegan or vegetarian.

In a nutshell, activist websites are the worst sources of information on vegan celebrities. They are best to be avoided. Psychologist Guy (talk) 22:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

John Woolman

You could remove the "vegetarian" claim from John Woolman's page... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Woolman Reportedly, he was not really vegetarian. There's (little or) no evidence for the claim. Reportedly, the anecdote mentioned happened to Anthony Benezet, not John Woolman. MaynardClark (talk) 21:05, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Nice spot. We need more members of this WikiProject such as yourself to find mistakes like this. I am reading over the book John Woolman's Path to the Peaceable Kingdom: A Quaker in the British Empire. p. 150, it says "The trauma of the war convinced Woolman's neighbor Joshua Evans that hunting, and meat-eating generally, violated the Quaker's peace testimony. Woolman did not condemn meat-eating, but he never sold powder or shot again."

Joshua Evans is said to have "abstained from animal food, as he did also from the use of leather and the skins of slaughtered beasts" [9]. Evans was the vegetarian.

"There is no evidence that Woolman ever became fully vegetarian like Lay, Evans, and Benezet" [10]

"Woolman did not become a strident vegetarian, but in other respects his perspective on animal life resembled the views of Tryon and Evans". [11] Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:32, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

As I see this, these narratives are (ostensibly) about "religious experiences" and the changes of mind and heart that they involve. We may have seen evidence (writing, etc.) from someone in a process of repentance as his mind was actively changing through moral sensitization. We (vegans?) may have a tendency to think (in a "binary" way) of others as either vegan or not vegan (or vegetarian and not vegetarian, or "on the path" or something else "interpretive" that does or does not correlate closely with their (inaccessible to us) personal experience as "a person in process." Perhaps there was a sensitization process; we don't have omniscience. MaynardClark (talk) 01:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Based on some of the scholarly sources I have just read, Woolman did try and cut down on his meat intake but he still ate meat. He never was a vegetarian. I have not looked into much about the religious element of this. Obviously people go vegetarian for different reasons including ethical, religious or spiritual but if someone is still consuming meat, they are not vegetarian. Psychologist Guy (talk) 02:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

But they are "persons in process" (like so many of us). MaynardClark (talk) 03:24, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Chinese emperors and vegetarianism

This paper states that Emperor Wu of Liang and Emperor Wen of Sui were both vegetarians [12]. I would be interested in locating historical sources on this. Psychologist Guy (talk) 00:07, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

In 2006, in Goa, India, a Chinese vegan society sent representatives to the IVU's World Vegetarian Congress there and presented a series of PowerPoint documented sessions on the imperial cuisine of China. In Newton, Massachusetts, a Chinese restaurant (Sally Ling's - no longer there) featured a 100+-item all-vegan menu in addition to their regular fare. The owner of Edward Liu (RIP), who started the restaurant to honor and memorialize his wife, Sally Ling. The all-vegan menu was presented as a hybrid of T. Colin Campbell's research and the imperial plant-based cuisine of China, they argued. They argument seems to "have been around" for awhile, but I cannot assess that line of reasoning. MaynardClark (talk) 15:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Emperor Wu of Liang was definitely a vegetarian [13], [14] [15], [16]. However, most Buddhists were not vegetarian. Thanks for the info about the Chinese Vegan Society, unfortunately not much other information exists. Sadly a Wikipedia article can not be created. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Proposed deletion of Vegepet

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No sources, it's worth deleting that article. Psychologist Guy (talk) 10:05, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Out of the 3 sources used in the article, only 2 seem like they could be reliable. And out of those two, one is to the vegepet site. So, I concur that there are not enough reliable secondary sources to support this article.

I know what GNG is but what is NCOMPANY? Can anyone link the policy/ guideline - just curious?

Thanks! Whitestar12 (talk) 15:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:NCOMPANY which is more strict due than GNG due to the potential for promotional articles from marketing companies and their influence.

Also this a prod/soft delete not a deletion discussion, I don't think anyone will oppose this deletion request but posted this here due to courtesy and the mention of if it being suggested to notify contributors/Wikiprojects. Traumnovelle (talk) 16:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Well now it has to go to AFD anyhow. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@MaynardClark see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vegepet Traumnovelle (talk) 14:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

There are reputable sources as of 5/22/2024 - notably Vegetarian Times articles discussing Vegepet in the late 1980s. Today's reviewers are unlikely to know of those discussions and contribvutions from their own experience, so the historical unearthing must be done.MaynardClark (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Translating fi:Benjamin Pitkänen

Benjamin Pitkänen is among the best known activists for veganism in Finland. At the moment Category:Veganism activists skews heavily towards the UK and the USA, so for NPOV purposes it's probably helpful to add articles about other countries as well.

Some English-language coverage is available from the Finnish national broadcaster and the announcement of an award. The Finnish Wikipedia article and https://www.benjaminpitkanen.fi/mediassa provide a few more sources in Finnish, and in recent years there were also [17] (Helsingin Sanomat), [18] (Sorsa Foundation), [19] (a national church newspaper) and [20] (Ilta-Sanomat).

(Proposing it here because I know Benjamin in person.) Nemo 19:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I am not convinced he is notable right now for the English Wikipedia. This guy is an activist and online social influencer but doesn't have many followers himself. An easy way to tell if an activist or online influencer is notable is to look at how many followers they have on social media. His YouTube has 3000 followers, his Twitter 3000, his Instagram 4700 followers. If you search his name on Google books, Google News or Google scholar or JSTOR there are no hits. There are no RS in English that mention him in detail. Some of the sources on his Finnish Wikipedia article do not pass our reliable source criteria. There are four Finnish newspaper articles that mention him cited on his article which is good. However, these wouldn't be enough to establish notability for an article on here. It's possible you could create a stub article about him but it risks being deleted. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. I'm not sure the number of followers is comparable across languages. You'd need to compare to other Finnish-language accounts, if we go that route. I'd go check how many followers the subjects of existing articles have but that would go into WP:OTHERSTUFF territory.

I've never heard of Google News as criterion but there's a Google News topic named after him, so perhaps it's about user settings (search language?).

I agree an English Wikipedia article would need to focus on only some of the sources used in the Finnish Wikipedia article. Is international news coverage the only criterion we're left with? Because I'm afraid that's how we get stuck with USA-centric and UK-centric coverage. Nemo 14:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

In general I only cover USA/UK coverage articles, I don't have time to translate other sources usually. It's possible Benjamin Pitkänen might qualify for an article on here if we use Finish newspaper reports. I can easily translate these because there is just a few. I have just found 2 others. There are about 6 newspaper reports that mention him and 2 English articles. This means a total of 8 sources. I think he would qualify but it wouldn't be a massive article but as new sources come to light it could obviously be expanded. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Benjamin Pitkänen. Viral Vegans. Helsinki, Uusimaa, Finland. - So there is a Finnish language Wikipedia article? Has that atrticle been translated into the languages of the nations where 'Viral Vegans' (sounds like an Internet venture) are recognized? Swedish? Norwegian? German? In general I am in favor of translating into (any other 'interested languages') (a) Wikipedia articles and (b) Wikipedia articles in this project. Last year, he notes in his LinkedIn account, he was "Third place in the VegeAwards competition as Finland’s best vegan influencer" (is that a 'notable award'?). Can visibilty be measured apart from how Wikipedia officially recognizes 'notability'?

• "Viral Vegans is a Finnish animal-rights organization with a mission to promote ethical veganism and challenge societal structures built on exploiting animals. Our three core areas are plant-based policy work (universities, companies, & events), vegan education (non-fiction books, school visits, & guides), and content creation (TikTok videos, podcasts, & food reviews)." MaynardClark (talk) 15:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Ed Winters draft

The old Ed Winters article that was deleted has been restored into a draft [21]. I am not sure why the old article has been revived. Most of the sources on it do not pass WP:RS.

VeganLife Magazine, Vegan News, Metro, Evening Standard, thecanary.co, Mirror, Instagram, rt.com, metiza.com, unitydiner.co.uk, vegconomist are all unreliable sources. It's possible to draft an entirely new article for Ed Winters as some new sourcing has come out in the last few years but I am not sure why this old article has been revived with even more unreliable sources being added to it like Instagram or vegconomist. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Most of the sources seem stuck in 2020 so they're no longer the most relevant. I agree it should be pretty easy to find better sources. The subject is definitely notable now and there's ample coverage pretty much everywhere. Nemo 14:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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Are the Vances vegetarian?

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Duckweed as source of Bio available B12

Hi Rasnaboy and all in the Group,

Just Newly joined in, Don't know where to post this topic in our vegan group ,is this right? can anyone help in checking my edits/sources here were they were being deleted/reverted.... and critique or add possible new citations to support its validity.

You may check my edits here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wolffia_globosa&action=history

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lemnoideae&action=history

Regards,

Villkomoses Villkomoses (talk) Villkomoses (talk) 11:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

The sources you added fail WP:MEDRS. For example citing Jack Norris' vegan website is not considered a reliable medical source on Wikipedia. There isn't any strong clinical evidence that duckweed is a good source of B12. It has never been confirmed, all I see is one trial. I have some personal history with this myself. I used to take a duckweed protein powder supplement about 4 years ago. The company that were selling it have since removed it from the market. As far as I know there were only 3 companies selling it as a protein powder and they have all stopped selling it. There is no reliable evidence it contains a good amount of B12. A lot of people had high hopes about this but the research has not panned out. It would be lovely if it did but we just do not have the confirmation. The sources you added were not reliable, that is why they were removed. I have not seen any new research on the topic, so I doubt we can update the article to any great degree currently. Psychologist Guy (talk) 11:33, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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