User:Ned Scott

I'm not that active these days, but I'm still around. Feel free to send me an extra poke here or via e-mail for anything, trivial or important (or to just say hi).
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I live in Arizona, USA. My main focus on Wikipedia is working on articles about entertainment and fiction (particularly anime and science fiction, which is probably not a big surprise), though I do enjoy working on much more than just those kinds of articles. Lately I've been more active in meta space than in article space, focusing on discussions and technical features such as templates. I'm also very interested in applying some of the methodology of Wikipedia to other wikis around the internet, which lead me to start up WikiProject Transwiki.

Unfortunately my personal time is being consumed by some other stuff lately, and I'm not nearly as active as I once was. Don't let that stop you from leaving me a message or asking for assistance if you feel I can be of some help! I will always be a Wikipedian, and look forward to always having at least some level of contribution to this great project. I also plan on getting more active again to at least finish a number of projects/ideas that I've either had or was involved in.

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RfCs - Art, architecture, literature and media

Talk:Wicked (2024 film)

When referring to Grande in the article, should her credited name or common name, i.e. should "Ariana Grande-Butera" or "Ariana Grande", be used? Happily888 (talk) 08:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard

What is the reliability of the German tabloid Bild, including its website Bild.de?

Generally reliable
Additional considerations apply
Generally unreliable
Deprecated

Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Court of the Lions

Should the following revision/expansion be accepted or rejected?

It concerns the paragraph introducing the quoted excerpt in the section currently titled "Excerpt of Ibn Zamrak's poem on the basin" (about an inscription carved into the courtyard's fountain). It currently reads as:

The poet and minister Ibn Zamrak wrote a poem to describe the beauty of the courtyard. It also describes the fountain's hydraulic system.^[1]^[2] It is carved around the rim of the basin:^[3]

The proposed expansion would read as:

Carved around the rim of the basin is a poem of twelve verses by the vizier and poet Ibn Zamrak. Six of the verses originate, with minor modifications, from a longer qasida of 146 verses that Ibn Zamrak composed for the banquet honoring the circumcision of Muhammad V's son, Abd Allah.^[4] Verses from the same qasida are also included in the Hall of the Two Sisters.^[4] The first part of the poem refers specifically to the fountain^[3] and alludes to how its hydraulic system functioned.^[1]^[2] Below is an excerpt (verses 3 to 7):^[3]

If accepted, further copy-edits or suggestions about wording are also welcome. If relevant for context, the reasons for starting this RfC are this edit and this revert, along with the discussion above. R Prazeres (talk) 21:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (music)

Should the naming convention for disambiguating boy bands be updated to be "(band)" instead of "(group)"? RachelTensions (talk) 22:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard

Is the blog Science-Based Medicine in whole or in part, a self-published source? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:List of tallest buildings and structures in the Birmingham Metropolitan Area, West Midlands

Which, if any, subsections of List of tallest buildings and structures in the Birmingham Metropolitan Area, West Midlands#Approved, proposed and emergent should be deleted? Should buildings in these sections with and without Wikipedia articles be treated differently? In favor of deletion is an interpretation of WP:CRYSTAL which says uncertain future events like building construction are out of scope for Wikipedia, especially for emergent proposals, which have not yet sought planning approval and it's unclear have a 50% probability of actually happening due to government rejection or financial difficulties. Against deletion is the argument that it's useful for research purposes to document the proposals and even though the proposals might not get built, they are referenced to reliable sources; approved designs are specific and more likely to get built. After this RFC is complete, the article may be split due to size, depending on what is kept. -- Beland (talk) 01:45, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov

Should the article on Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov include the following infobox?

Robert McClenon (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard

Is Indie Vision Music - Contact/staff - Contact/staff from 2006-2020 a generally reliable source for music-related journalism?--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 18:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision

Should WikiProject Eurovision be rescoped to become a task force for a new WikiProject Song Contests? Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Talk:List of fictional countries set on Earth

What should the threshold for inclusion be?

Option A WP:Verifiability in primary sources (i.e. the works of fiction themselves)
Option B Verifiability in secondary/tertiary sources
Option C WP:Notability (corresponding to WP:CSC #1)

TompaDompa (talk) 16:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

RFCs - Wikipedia style, referencing, layout and WikiProjects

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (music)

Should the naming convention for disambiguating boy bands be updated to be "(band)" instead of "(group)"? RachelTensions (talk) 22:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Berbers

Should the Infobox include Arabic with the ethnic languages, or follow examples like Assyrian people and Copts that exclude it? TahaKahi (talk) 22:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers

I am revisiting an issue that was last brought up 6 years ago here and settled without a strong consensus.

I think we should avoid using Indian numbering conventions unless it is needed for context. For instance, if we want to list the box office take of an Indian movie, don't use "crore", use "millions". This isn't about disrespecting a culture, it's about using internationally favored notation and unit conventions. We should use "millions" instead of "crore" for the same reason we favor meters over feet. There is no reason that India-related articles should be an enclave of Indian conventions. People who are not Indian will struggle with these things, it will weaken Wikipedia's role as an information tool for everyone.

This is not the same thing as currency. It is appropriate to list an Indian movie's box office take in rupees. Providing a US$ conversion is optional, but a good idea since the US dollar is widely used around the world as a reserve currency. But write it as "millions of rupees", not "crores of rupees". Kurzon (talk) 16:38, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Short description

I have asked this question multiple times and have received no complete consensus to change WP:SDNONE to apply article names such as History of Nottinghamshire and Watersheds of Illinois. When this is resolved, please update WP:SDNONE to comply with this ruling. This RfC is necessary since there are thousands of articles where this applies where there is no consensus for use of WP:SDNONE. Additionally, the guideline is extremely short and vague for something that applies to hundreds of thousands of articles.

Potential options:

Yes, articles on subnational entities and municipalities in the title should have "none as a short description"
Only for cities and subnational entities that an "average reader would know" (which I have seen brought up in the past) should have "none" as a short description (most readers know about Delhi, Texas, and Moscow, not so much Kilgore, Texas, and Ncojane) (This has been brought up in the past by Remsense)
No, none of these apply for WP:SDNONE (a format will have to be provided for what should be recommended in the new guideline)

Thanks! -1ctinus📝🗨 22:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

RFCs - Wikipedia policies, guidelines and proposals

Talk:Rosalind Picard

Hello editors,

I would like to discuss the inclusion of a recent controversy involving Rosalind Picard’s keynote speech at NeurIPS 2024.

Context: During the NeurIPS 2024 keynote, a slide presented by Picard included remarks that were criticized for cultural generalizations. NeurIPS issued an official statement on their verified X.com account acknowledging the issue, apologizing, and clarifying that the remarks do not align with their code of conduct. I added this incident to the article with a factual and neutral tone, citing NeurIPS' official statement as the source. However, the edit was reverted with the reasoning that more than a primary source is needed.

My Argument: While Wikipedia prefers secondary sources, the NeurIPS statement is a **reliable primary source** for verifying the occurrence of the incident. It:

Comes from NeurIPS’ official and verified X.com account.
Is a direct response to the controversy.

Since this is a very recent event, secondary sources may not yet exist. I propose the following:

Include a brief, factual mention of the incident, using the NeurIPS statement as a **temporary source**.
Commit to revising or expanding the content once independent secondary coverage emerges.

This approach aligns with Wikipedia’s principles of **verifiability** and **neutrality** while addressing the timeliness of the incident.

Suggested Wording: At the NeurIPS 2024 conference, Rosalind Picard’s keynote presentation included remarks that drew criticism for cultural generalizations about Chinese scholars. NeurIPS issued a statement acknowledging the remarks and clarifying that they do not align with the conference’s code of conduct.[NeurIPS official statement source here.]

I welcome input from other editors to form a consensus on this matter.

Request for Feedback: I kindly request editors' input on whether this edit can be retained temporarily with a primary source until reliable secondary sources become available.

Notifications for Wider Participation: Related WikiProjects: - @WikiProject Biography: - @WikiProject Artificial Intelligence:

I have also notified the editors at the relevant WikiProjects to gather broader perspectives.

Pinging Involved Editors: @Hammersoft, @Isabelle_Belato: Your feedback would be greatly appreciated as this discussion develops. Thank you!

Thank you all for considering this. I look forward to working collaboratively to reach a consensus. Lancer999 (talk) 19:11, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Please do not bite the newcomers

There are several questions, as follows:

Should the lead of the current guideline be replaced with lead of the rewrite?
Should the "Common newcomer scenarios" section and the "How to avoid being a "biter" section of the current guideline be replaced with "How to avoid biting" section of the rewrite?
Should the "Ignorantia juris may excuse" section of the current guideline be replaced with the "It is okay not to be aware of guidelines" section of the rewrite?
Should the "What to do if you feel you have "bitten" or "have been bitten" section of the current guideline be replaced with the "I have bitten someone—what do I do?" section of the rewrite?

The proposed rewrite can be found here: Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers/rewrite. Please refrain from making significant changes to the rewrite while the RfC is ongoing. Also see the idea lab discussion: Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab) § Rewriting WP:BITE. After the last RfC, User:Alalch E. has done work on cleaning up the "Understanding newcomers" section. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Second Nagorno-Karabakh War

The RfC is whether to retain or remove Syrian mercenaries from the belligerents section of the infobox. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Notability (species)

Shall we add this text:

In the case of a monotypic genus, the species and genus are covered in a single article. See WP:MONOTYPICFLORA and WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA for more advice.

to the lead of this notability guideline? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Template talk:Expand language

Should the sentence in the instructions to this template "If possible, verify the text with references provided in the foreign-language article" be reworded? Fangz (talk) 10:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Niccolò Machiavelli

Does the community believe that the following media should be included in the article? To put this into perspective it was made by an anonymous and unknown Youtuber, who is not a historian of any kind. There seems to be confusion on what WP:RSPYT means, so this should open the discussion up further. Plasticwonder (talk) 20:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)

RfC: Should the following paragraph be added to WP:NMOTORSPORT?

10. ~~Meet the following criteria for the the respective single seater series:~~ A driver who has met at least one of the following criteria for single seater racing:
Completion of one full season or a race winner in a Formula Regional series.

Completion of one full season or a race winner in W Series/F1 Academy.

Podium finish in the Macau Grand Prix (single seater).

Champion or runner up in a Formula 4 series.

note: strikethrough text was replaced by underlined text after the proposal per the discussion.

GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 01:01, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons

I propose the following text be added to WP:SUSPECT:

Given the legal presumption of innocence, criminal proceedings including those against prominent public persons, should not be mentioned on the main page of the encyclopdia until the cases are resolved either by conviction or acquittal. Any appellate proceedings shall have no bearing on whether or not to post the initial findings of a duly constituted court of law."

I have decided to post this as an RfC as this would involve a non-trivial amendment to WP:POLICY and the issue has become a contentious point of debate involving several nominations at WP:ITNC. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Short description

I have asked this question multiple times and have received no complete consensus to change WP:SDNONE to apply article names such as History of Nottinghamshire and Watersheds of Illinois. When this is resolved, please update WP:SDNONE to comply with this ruling. This RfC is necessary since there are thousands of articles where this applies where there is no consensus for use of WP:SDNONE. Additionally, the guideline is extremely short and vague for something that applies to hundreds of thousands of articles.

Potential options:

Yes, articles on subnational entities and municipalities in the title should have "none as a short description"
Only for cities and subnational entities that an "average reader would know" (which I have seen brought up in the past) should have "none" as a short description (most readers know about Delhi, Texas, and Moscow, not so much Kilgore, Texas, and Ncojane) (This has been brought up in the past by Remsense)
No, none of these apply for WP:SDNONE (a format will have to be provided for what should be recommended in the new guideline)

Thanks! -1ctinus📝🗨 22:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

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^ ^a ^b Irwin 2004, p. 52.
^ ^a ^b López 2011, p. 134.
^ ^a ^b ^c Puerta Vílchez 2015, p. 169.
^ ^a ^b Puerta Vílchez 2015, p. 168.

[FOOTNOTEIrwin200452-1] Irwin 2004, p. 52.

[FOOTNOTELópez2011134-2] López 2011, p. 134.

[FOOTNOTEPuerta_Vílchez2015169-3] Puerta Vílchez 2015, p. 169.

[FOOTNOTEPuerta_Vílchez2015168-4] Puerta Vílchez 2015, p. 168.

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