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Nantclwyd Hall

Sorry, I don't have any information on that topic. It looks like you and Sionk are making good progress anyway. -- Dr Greg  talk  13:19, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah yes, I forgot to mention (got side-tracked) that I've added some essential information about the history of the building. The basics are there now, I don't think it can be described any longer as a stub. Interesting house! Sionk (talk) 13:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

John Wells-Thorpe

Hello. You might be interested in expanding John Wells-Thorpe's page, which I created a while back. Let me know (on my talkpage) if you do. Thanks.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:31, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the offer, but I still have two articles to finish - long job on one of them. But to help out I've categorised the Wells-Thorpe images on Commons and added a commonscat template to the article page. If you are aware that any of his other buildings are on Commons, it would be worth adding the "John Wells-Thorpe" category to them. I've also expanded the bibliography (with refs) and added lots of external links, in the hope that anyone else wanting to expand the article could use that information. If they can start immediately, then they can include my additions in their expansion. (Sorry, just realised that bib and ext links are not expansions - just tools for same) Good luck! --Storye book (talk) 13:43, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Nashville photos

Thank you for the compliment on my Commons photos! No, I just visited the Nashville area once. Dreamyshade (talk) 21:12, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I just moved to San Francisco, and I hadn't looked at Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in San Francisco, California yet, so that was a good reminder - I might be able to do some of those. I also have some historic landmark photos from Los Angeles that I haven't gotten around to uploading yet. :) Dreamyshade (talk) 21:28, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Photos

Hi again. Thanks for those excellent photos of the Norfolk Hotel and St Andrew's Church: it's great to see pictures from elevated positions in Brighton and Hove, because these are so much more difficult to get unless you have access to a tall building. Looking at the surrounding buildings and the angles, I'm guessing both were taken from high up in Embassy Court...? On the St Andrew's photo, it took me a while but I worked out the two spires in the distance were St John's Church at Palmeira Square and the Holland Road Baptist Church. I have quite a lot of material on Embassy Court; not sure when I'll get round to collating it all, but maybe in the next few weeks. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 18:42, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll try to start the Norfolk Hotel tonight. Embassy Court will be a bigger job, but I may have time from Thursday this week. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 09:05, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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Cooper Park

Thanks for the positive feedback about my articles. We don't get much by way of positive recognition at WP; just stalkers and other idiots. I'm not sure Cooper Park would pass the notability test , unless perhaps it's heritage-listed. I'm cutting back on articles at WP so I can concentrate on my own projects, ie 7 manuscripts I can potentially publish at Amazon. I don't know if there are any churches at BH. You might have to look up all the various churches in the phone book to see if there's one at BH. Sorry I can't be more accommodating, but as a writer with a backlog of unpublished manuscripts I decided to scale down my WP activities. I still work on articles however, eg Michael Guider, because I knew him and there's a new book out on the subject, which came in handy for expanding the article. I might be able to help with photos, but even there I've decided to cut back a bit because too much of my energy was going on a lot of banal photos at WP.

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Norfolk Buildings

There are a couple of photos on Commons, this being the clearest; I'm sure I'll get a chance to wander down and take a few of my own at some point. Unfortunately, according to Google Street View it looks like it would be impossible to see through the arch into the rear of the hotel because there is a fairly tall wall behind the arch. I expect what they call "an ornamental lake" is really a glorified pond – LOL! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:22, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Sandboxes and stuff

Hi – much nicer weather today! Sadly I'm in the office all day... I highly recommend using a personal sandbox for building articles and assembling sources. I've been doing it for years, and I have some bits that have been hanging around for years just waiting to be launched when I get the chance! You can click on this link to create a sandbox in your user space. That should start a page called User:Zigzig20s/sandbox. I would recommend putting a wikilink to it on your userpage, and/or adding it to your watchlist, so you can find it easily. A quick way of creating additional sandboxes is to go to the Search bar and type in User:Zigzig20s/a name of your choice. You can have as many as you like in your userspace: I have about 10, each with different bits of stuff in them!

Until Monday next week I'll have very little time on Wikipedia due to a busy schedule of offline activities. I hope to start with the Embassy Court work then, although it will be a big job. With Bedford Square, I'm hoping at some point to write shortish articles on all the main squares/terraces/crescents in Brighton that I haven't already done, all with the same sort of structure: Bloomsbury Place, Hanover Crescent, Oriental Place, Pelham Square etc... basically anything with a decent number of listed buildings. This will be another longer-term project though. As ever, if I find any more useful facts for any of the recent articles I've done, I'll add them when I get a chance. Meanwhile, with The Keep opening next week, I hope to visit soon and see what they have, especially with regard to Brighton and Hove sources, but I don't expect to find any major "quick wins": it will be a case of methodically looking for interesting stuff and researching it. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:28, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

H.N. Goulty

Hi again. Well done on finding those extra sources on Goulty – I hadn't been able to find much online for him. I'll try to expand a bit further tomorrow. I think, but need to find definitive proof, that the Turkish Baths he was credited with were the Hobden's Royal Artillery Baths (1864–1908; demolished for an extension to the Grand Hotel). Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:04, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

That's about as far as I can get with my material and the ones you found. There were some edit conflicts which caused the refs to get a bit mixed up; I think they're all OK now. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 23:22, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure where I got that from, and I couldn't find a ref unfortunately, so I've changed the wording as best I can to reflect what we know from the ref about his age at death. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 23:35, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

I nominated the Norfolk Hotel for the Did You Know? section of the Main Page yesterday; today I have added Goulty as a joint nomination under both our names, as it should also meet the various criteria. (You may have seen I nominate almost all my new articles for DYK!) I'll keep a close eye on the nomination template. I suspect Goulty is buried in the Extra Mural Cemetery; his father certainly is, so there could be a family vault. I visited two years ago (that's when I took most of the photos in the Cemeteries and crematoria in Brighton and Hove article); it's getting a bit late in the year to go up again for photography, because it will be very damp and dark in there now (also it only opens until dusk). It covers a very extensive area, so I'll need to do some research on where the grave might be before going there. Central URC certainly has enough material: there is a church history booklet in Hove Reference Library, which I used when writing about the daughter church, Hounsom Memorial Church. It's not listed, although it probably could be. It's not on the local list either (the stage below statutory listing; granted by the city council), but they are currently updating their local list so I'm hopeful it might be added. Once we know that one way or the other, I'll do some research and hopefully start the article. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 09:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

I've seen J.N. Goulty's name mentioned in a couple of indexes in my books, so I'll see what I can find. Likewise I'll keep looking for more info about H.N.G.'s family and personal life. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:22, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

You're right on Accor/Mercure; I've changed the infobox. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:18, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Flora Sassoon

Hello, the date on Flora Sasoon's grave in the Mount of Olives is Jan. 14th, 1936. distinguishers mentioned in the epitaph are her father's name, Ezekiel Joshua Gabbai, and her husabnd, Saliman David Sassoon. According to the ledgers of the burial society, she was buried in April 3rd, 1947. The ledgers don't mention where she was originally buried - I'd assume the Sassoon Mausoleum. Daniel Tzvi (talk) 15:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Horatio Nelson Goulty

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J.N. Goulty

Hi again. I've checked all my sources and two books (coincidentally by the same author, but on completely different aspects of Brighton) mention him, one at some length. So I'll add to User:Zigzig20s/JohnNelsonGoulty at some point in the next few days and it can be moved to mainspace thereafter. I've also assembled everything I need for the Embassy Court rewrite, so possibly this weekend if all goes well...! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 23:08, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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everglades club

Zig - Yes, I have been working on creating an article to be called "Everglades Club". I was intending it to be featured in the "Did you know.." section on the front page. I haven't settled on the hook. It should be something like "...that the Everglades club was designed to be a military hospital but opened as a country club instead". Also the history section is a bit awkward. I guess I'll launch it now. You can fix it all you want after it becomes an article. GroveGuy (talk) 02:07, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

In this article I was trying to focus on the architecture of the building. Country clubs are not generally notable. GroveGuy (talk) 17:28, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

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Request for creation page Quarles van Ufford

Hello Zigzig. I struck upon your request for the translation of the dutch Quarles page. Since nobody replied yet I will give it a try. It's not too lengthy so it'll probably not take long. Regards, Antiphus (talk) 19:17, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

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Various things

Hi there. Very little Wikipedia activity from me recently due to busy stuff at work etc, but I should have more time from this weekend onwards. So, on sandboxes in your userspace ... strictly speaking, the correct thing to do when moving content from a userpage to an article is to use the "Move" option to automatically change name of the page and its talk page (see here). Having said that, I didn't find that out until fairly recently, and except for a couple of occasions I have always simply taken content from my sandboxes and pasted it into the relevant article name. To be honest, either approach is fine; but if you copy-and-paste, you are left with the now redundant sandbox. Options: you can just leave it there; or (this is what I do) you can reuse it for your next draft article (that's why I've got Embassy Court stuff in User:Hassocks5489/Brighton Church Sandbox 2: many years ago, I must have started that sandbox to write a Brighton church article!); or you can make the sandbox page a redirect to the main article. To do this, go to User:Zigzig20s/Mazargues and replace the current content with #REDIRECT[[Mazargues]]. Then if you clicked on User:Zigzig20s/Mazargues it would take you straight to the Mazargues article.

I should add that if a userspace draft has been edited by more than one person, best practice as per Wikipedia guidelines is always to move it to mainspace using the "Move" option rather than doing a copy-paste. This is because it preserves the full edit history of the draft and correctly attributes each edit to the correct editor. So after I have edited User:Zigzig20s/JohnNelsonGoulty as far as possible, I will either get you to move it to John Nelson Goulty or I will do so myself with your agreement. Meanwhile I'll take a look at the latest Sassoon articles to see if I can find anything else, and hopefully I'll get round to starting the Embassy Court rewrite quite soon! Cheers, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:04, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry ... it's only temporary! I decided to give one of my ancient (esoteric) articles a tidy-up. For Brighton and Hove stuff I need to set aside some proper time where I can really concentrate. Sadly this Saturday is out of commission ... maybe Sunday will bring an opportunity. If I make myself a list of all B&H things I said I would look at, it will encourage me to put the time aside. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, on King's Gardens, Hove: definitely worth an article (I have just checked the Enc of Hove and Portslade, which goes into considerable detail, and there are mentions in other sources); I need to think about whether to write about numbers 1–4 separately from the rest, though, because they are essentially completely separate developments. I have a large number of good photos of all parts of King's Gardens, so they all need to be uploaded. I've put User:Hassocks5489/WIP#Brighton and Hove topics to work on next in a position where I can't miss it whenever I go to that userpage! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:32, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I know ... when I look at Brighton and Hove topics I really don't know where to start! And when I add in other things like Sussex churches, architects, the Wagners and so on, there must be over 100 articles I feel I "should" be writing as soon as I can. I find flitting between topics and articles helps a bit, hence the ticket stuff I've been doing today. Regarding Arthur Wagner: I would say that together with his father Henry Michell Wagner, he is the most important person currently lacking a Wikipedia article in the context of the history of Brighton and Hove. (Quite a big claim! Actually I would include a third person, Alderman Herbert Carden, but let's leave him to one side for now because he would open up yet more avenues for exploration!) I have a very large amount of material on the Wagners, including a rare out-of-print book which was given to me by a friend (although I'm not sure where it is). I've added those to the list. High Beeches up at Handcross would justify an article; just picking one of my Sussex books at random off my bookshelf I can see a brief mention of it (and funnily enough, tucked inside it was a monograph about ... the Wagners). Ockenden Manor (it is always known by that name locally) is a very impressive building; I went to a wedding there 2 years ago, but sadly couldn't get any photos. Leonardslee Gardens, also near Handcross, were very controversially closed to the public after the Loder family sold them and moved away. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 23:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I've found that Arthur Wagner has an entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography ([1]). Unfortunately you can only read it if you have an account (I do), but it's fine to use as a reference anyway of course. At the moment I'm just putting down bullet points on the sandbox page to ensure I don't miss any important biographical details. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:33, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I'll start on Goulty tomorrow lunchtime, all being well; he will be relatively quick to do. Probably will be finished on Sunday. For Fr Wagner I'm inclined to leave him until I start my time off from work (20th Dec), because there's a lot of research to gather together and I need to get at least 2 books out of the library. I've nearly finished the ticket: am just trying to tidy up the last bits so I can leave it alone (otherwise I will just be tempted to add more!) If I can fit in another article between this weekend and 20th it will probably be Embassy Court, finally. I have some off-wiki stuff to write in that period as well though. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:33, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Goulty

Hi — I've got as far as I can with User:Zigzig20s/JohnNelsonGoulty. Happy to move to mainspace if you're OK with that, or you can move it yourself. I will check associated articles for required wikilinks. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 15:32, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Have expanded Arthur Sassoon as well. I have material on Reuben as well, but I am out this evening so I'll leave him until tomorrow. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 17:39, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Cool. I have a big collection of Brighton & Hove Bus Company bus photos, and I did have a quick look through them a while ago to see if I had the Goulty bus; couldn't find it though. I'll definitely keep an eye out for it during my travels round the city: I always have my camera with me when I go out! Unfortunately the Enc. of Hove and Portslade doesn't have anything about David Sassoon, but there might be info in other books I have. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 23:47, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Linking correctly

Hi.

Consider the following:

1. Amanda said she would meet Bob in Leicester Square.

We link [[Leicester Square]] - not [[Leicester]] Square

Secondly consider this:

I live on North Road. North Road is a minor road in Spalding, Lincolnshire. It doesn't have its own article. We do not need to link to [[North]] Road.

Please think about how la Rue de Gaston de Saporta is not an encyclopedic topic. If there is a link to Rue de Gaston de Saporta it does not need to link to Rue de [[Gaston de Saporta]]

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Allemagne-en-Provence

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Hi – I'll take a look in about an hour when I get home. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 17:03, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I've fixed it. The problem was that a redirect to Jean-Pierre's talk page had been left on François' talk page when you did the move. I think you must have un-ticked the "Move associated talk page" tick-box when doing the page move. Normally when you click on a wikilink which is a redirect, it will take you straight to the page at which the redirect is pointing; but after doing this, if you look just below the page title, you'll see small text saying (Redirected from xxxxxxxx) where xxxxxxxxx is a wikilink to the original page name. If you then click on that wikilink, you will be taken to the actual redirect page, consisting of a right-arrow and a wikilink, and if you hit "edit this page" at that point you'll be able to get rid of the incorrect redirect. Click on this wikilink for an example featuring one of my Brighton church articles from years ago. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 19:23, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm honestly not sure about the photo. I had a look here and it's not entirely clear. I think you might be OK, because it's clearly very old (3rd quarter of C19, if my French serves me correctly!) and therefore should be out of copyright, but I'd recommend asking on Commons here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright Experts seem to respond pretty quickly there. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 20:19, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Quite soon hopefully! The Wagners of Brighton, which is "the" book on the subject, is available in Hove library apparently, and there's a copy in Jubilee Library, Brighton as well (but it's on loan at the mo), so as soon as I can get to one of those I will get it out. Meanwhile I'll put a list of all the other sources on the sandbox page, so I know where to start when I come round to writing the article. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:05, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I've listed all the sources I have access to, and added ref templates for all the pages where ADW is mentioned, which will save time during the research process. I've done the same for Henry Michell Wagner because he'll need an article too at some point. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:46, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, next time I'm down there I'll investigate the Embassy Court carpet. Is it in the main entrance on the south side (Kings Road) or those small side entrances on Western Street? Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 19:23, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

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Embassy Court

The rewritten version is now in place. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 20:42, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi – Happy Christmas! I'll be busy for the next few days, but the good news is I have got that book out of the library that I was talking about. So I expect work could start quite soon. That said, I might have one or two other articles to work on at the same time. Once I get underway, it should all come together quite quickly, like the Embassy Court rewrite did, although I'm much less experienced at biography articles than buildings. I'll need to do his father Henry Michell Wagner at the same time as well. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 15:50, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

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Embassy Ct etc

Hi, and Happy New Year. I saw that the tag on Christian de Villeneuve-Esclapon had been removed before I got there, which was good; it was clearly an inappropriate tagging. I missed your other note about Embassy Court because it came at the same time as another message. I think reference has to be made in the lead to the contrast between how it was for the last 30 years or so and how it has now been rehabilitated since its renovation; especially because so many sources support that (not just The Argus, which can admittedly be a bit sensationalist at times). How about this alternative wording? by 2006 it had been restored to its original status as a high-class residence, in contrast to its poor late-20th-century reputation. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Some work on the Wagners is likely soon. I have two off-wiki deadlines to meet in the next 2 weeks, so general Wikipedia activity will be less until after that. I have just created User:Hassocks5489/Henry Michell Wagner where I will work on Henry. I'll use the one in your userspace for Arthur. When both are ready, we can move them; I would imagine I would work on both simultaneously, because of the close connection between them and the fact they use broadly the same sources. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:28, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I'll try to do as much preparation as I can now, ready for when I get the chance to actually do the writing. The more I prepare in advance, the easier it is to write. So expect the pages to look a bit messy for the next week or two as I add various bits and pieces! In particular I still need to read that Wagners of Brighton book. In the meantime, if you haven't already seen it, you may be interested in the article I was working on over the Christmas/New Year period: Buildings and architecture of Brighton and Hove. There's quite a lot to read! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I've just started reading The Wagners of Brighton to enable me to add more to their infoboxes. There's a lot of very interesting material (e.g. the first time H.M.Wagner went to Brighton, he was shot by a mugger...); but more than that, it seems there is a whole dynasty of notable Wagners going right back to the 17th century! What I might do is set up a page somewhere in my userspace so I can work out who everybody is, how they all relate to each other, which ones are notable etc. I'll keep you updated with progress. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 19:46, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

See here for Wagner dynasty notes. BTW on LGBT Brighton, there is a reasonable amount of info in some of my books and in other sources such as council documents. It's not a subject I'm at all familiar with, but I've probably got enough material to make some improvements to the existing article. One to put on my list of future projects! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Horatio Chriesman

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DYK for Lili Bosse

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Benjamin Moore Norman translation

Hello, I am available to create and English entry for this page this weekend. I'll start on this as soon as possible. Thanks.

Regards, Benescreve85 (talk) 15:34, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Benjamin Moore Norman

Hello, I began an initial rough translation. I will clean up some of the awkwardness and phrasing asap and see what additional info I can incorporate. I'm not entirely sure how to set this page as a stub, so feel free to redact it as you see fit.

Best,

Benescreve85 (talk) 18:24, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Benjamin Moore Norman

Hi! I made some corrections and linked the English page to the one in Spanish. Best! --Correogsk or Gustavo (Editrocito or Heme aquí) 00:11, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

I will, ok. --Correogsk or Gustavo (Editrocito or Heme aquí) 00:34, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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DYK Horatio Chriesman

Your input is requested here Template:Did you know nominations/Horatio Chriesman. — Maile (talk) 22:13, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

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Re: Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Monaco

Hi. I've replied to you here. Cheers! --MZMcBride (talk) 21:38, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Carr Collins, Jr.

See User:Robert McClenon/Carr Collins, Jr. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:39, 22 July 2014 (UTC) See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carr Collins, Jr. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:42, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I added some more information about him during the deletion debate, about his business career and his diplomatic career. He has been a major benefactor of the Southern Methodist University. (His father was a benefactor of the University of Texas. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:33, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I am in Washington, DC, and not in a position to take free-content images in Dallas. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:24, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead and edit the user page. I will address the other question later.

Robert McClenon (talk) 07:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Henry Michell Wagner

Hi Zigzig. The Henry article is now "live" – thanks for the reminder! As you may have realised I have been distracted by other articles/topics recently and also have had less time than usual on WP due to offline commitments, but I will try to finish off the article by the weekend (just a few other paragraphs to go). Hope all is well with you! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Good progress last night; now I just have to finish the Purchas affair bit and tidy up a few sections. Yeah, DYK has gone a bit crazy and "dramatic" recently, although it seems to be settling down again. I haven't done anything there for a couple of months, but will nominate Wagner. I'll do it as a co-nomination in recognition of your contributions (both to the article and more generally in our discussions around it), but I'll sort out all the reviewing and general admin stuff. I'll need to research Arthur Wagner properly before starting him, so bear with me on that. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 11:50, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I've hada a look through all my books for Rev. James Edwards, but he has only the briefest of passing mentions in a couple. The most that I can derive is that he was "not a very good preacher" and was originally in charge of the Hanover Chapel (picture; now part of the Brighthelm Church). Not enough for an article at this stage unless/until I can dig up a lot more info. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 17:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

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The Cheesman firm

Hi – yes, I think I can find enough to expand upon a stub, but I wonder if it might be better to have an article on the firm itself—Cheesman and Son. It seems that some of their buildings are difficult to attribute to a particular member of the family (there was another son, Charles), and in any case the two Georges are generally described as builders, perhaps with the implication that they linked to think of themselves as architects! IIRC, they were based at Robert Street in the North Laine in a building (no longer extant) which was decorated with nine skulls. I have a couple of books at home which mention this; it is a bit of a local mystery. I think this has some info (not sure about reliability; can't get into it at work); so does this (fine for reliability: John Allen has had several books published). I'll check my books as well. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:19, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Horatio Chriesman

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Larissa College

Zigzig, regarding your inquiry about a separate page for Larissa College, please forgive my late response; I have been working out-of-town. Of course, I, too, think that would be appropriate and, though I am afraid it is sparse, will began to look into available reference material. Will get back to you. Tejanoviejo (talk) 21:15, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Larissa College

Zigzig, regarding your inquiry about a separate page for Larissa College, please forgive my late response; I have been working out-of-town. Of course, I, too, think that would be appropriate and, though I am afraid it is sparse, will began to look into available reference material. Will get back to you. Tejanoviejo (talk) 21:15, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Michell Wagner

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John Horton Slaughter

I noticed that you are interested in expanding the article on John Horton Slaughter. The article has been on my (all too long) list of articles needed to be updated but has not yet reached the point of action. I can however provide some online sources that may help you in your efforts:

• "J. H. Slaughter Dies at Douglas". The Copper Era and Morenci Leader. Clifton, Arizona. February 17, 1922. p. 1.
• "John Slaughter Dies in Douglas". Tombstone Epitaph. February 19, 1922. p. 7.
• Conners, Jo., ed. (1913). Who's who in Arizona. Tucson: Arizona Daily Star. OCLC 8862523. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• McClintock, James H. (1916). Arizona: Prehistoric—Aboriginal—Pioneer—Modern. Vol. Volume III. Chicago: S.J. Clarke Publishing Company. OCLC 5398889. {{cite book}}: |volume= has extra text (help); Invalid |ref=harv (help)

One word of warning about the Tombstone Epitaph article. As a weekly newspaper it often reprinted stories published elsewhere without adjusting the any of the wording. You can thus not trust the mention of "yesterday" given for Slaughter's date of death as being the day before the paper was printed. The Clifton newspaper does however provide enough detail to overcome any ambiguities. --Allen3 ^talk 20:18, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I have preformed a quick search of my personal library and can find no additional information about Slaughter's family beyond what is currently in the article. As for taking pictures around town, "a man's got to know his limitations" and usable photographs are not currently within my limits. --Allen3 ^talk 22:05, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

For the two books, follow the URLs provided in the citations. Both books are in the public domain and freely available via Google Books. As for a succession box, I lack enough information to fill one out. Johnny Behan was appointed Cochise county's first sheriff when the county was created, serving from February 1881 till November 1882. It appears that Behan was followed by L. W. Carr.[2][3] The Library of Congress's newspaper archives have multiple gaps so I am unable to locate county election results for 1884, 1886, or 1890 and thus do not know if Carr remained in office till Slaughter's 1886 election or who replaced Slaughter. --Allen3 ^talk 23:46, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Are references 6 and 7 valid for all your added sentences, and if so, which ones are backed up by 6 and which ones by 7?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:20, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the references 6 and 7 are interchangeable.Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:26, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Billy Hathorn

FYI, Billy is a well known individual with a long history of problematic contributions. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive716#Billy Hathorn concerns for an quick overview. He was blocked for several years but the block was lifted for practicality concerns. Billy has access to a large number of IPs and it is easier to clean up the messes he leaves if he works under his userid instead of random IPs (User talk:Ironholds/Archive 1#Billy Hathorn). Unless you wish to deal with a sizable dose of frustration, I would suggest stopping your efforts on the John Slaughter article and coming back once Billy has moved on to other areas (probably a couple of weeks). --Allen3 ^talk 13:25, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Adelaide Mansions

Hi. I checked the Encyclopaedia of Hove and Portslade and the ref at the end does cover the whole of that paragraph. Basically the Encyc. has a section called "Lawns Hotel" which gives a potted history. Arthur Wagner is still in my mind, but I haven't had a chance to get down to the research properly yet. I will try to take the relevant books on holiday (I am going away in 2 weeks) and do some research and writing offline during that. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:49, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Telegraph Creek

Yeah, it's in Montana. Abyssal (talk) 07:13, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have a map. Abyssal (talk) 15:06, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Perth Polo Club reversion

Regarding my reversion of your edit:

• There's nothing wrong with linking to a redirect - WP:NOTBROKEN. It's unnecessarily verbose to include "Western Australia" in the visible text (it's obvious from the context). If the redirect really bothers you (in case someone turns "Peppermint Grove" into a disambiguation page in future), use a piped link so that "WA" is not shown in the visible text.
• I deliberately left McNeil's birth/death years in situ as comments for the benefit of someone who might want to create an article about him. They can certainly be removed after such an article is created, but it doesn't hurt to keep the information available (if not visible) until then

Mitch Ames (talk) 08:04, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you as well!

Hi ZigZag! i applaud you for your edits to the Joan Rivers page and your diplomatic handling of the other tense and irrational editor. Thank you for your appropriate handling of the situation as well as your practical edits to the article. Best always! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingslove2013 (talk • contribs) 12:07, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

I joined your case for the edits to remain in Joan Rivers. Stick to your guns and hopefully people will be diplomatic. Best!Kingslove2013 (talk) 13:11, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Apology

sorry the simplest answer should have been - already done see [4] - the separate state lists would simply be replication of this - not sure if that is any use. satusuro 14:54, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

But as you have not responded here or at hughesdarren I assume you are no longer interested anyway satusuro 00:41, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Also Trove could lift the polo club article well beyond its current state - if you havent used it much - it could even help totally unaustralian topics - you'd be suprised. satusuro 01:21, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

The reason for the lengthy reply which was reverted by me to your suggestion at hughesdarren talk page is that such lists are made from articles that exist. The range and complexity of what constituted a pastoral lease and or rangeland based station over time in each separate state or territory is well beyond such lists, and to suggest there might have been or currently be more extant staions/pastoral leases is correct. However whether every pastoral lease/station is actually notable or qualify for an article is another question. Be glad with what is there - mainly due to the hard work of hughesdarren, no one else has done anything. satusuro 11:02, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Haha - irony abounds - good to see a sense of humour in action - your dislike of obscurantism is clearly indicated in your reply and the ambiguity of the use of the word pastoral. I would strongly suggest other areas of editing might be the best way to reoslve the issue, as for your comment at my talk - unless you clearly state the multiple meanings and uses of the word pastoral. satusuro 05:16, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

WP:NOTGUIDE and WikiVoyage relate to the need for extensive info of stations, and I fail to see why or how backpackers have either the means of access to remoteness in Australia, In most cases if they seek to access or employment they utilise city urban based agencies. As for the rest, I remain in a state of no comment. satusuro 09:18, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

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David Hunt (planter)

Hi. I have enough to create a page for the Woodlawn Plantation and the Calvinton Plantation. However, I'm short on time, so maybe I can get to that one day. I do not know if David Hunt is related to H. L. Hunt.Billmeguire (talk) 11:27 P.M., 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for creating the David Hunt page. I like your idea to add the Philanthropy section. One way to get a non-copyrighted photo of Hunt would be to go to Chaberlain-Hunt Academy and photograph their painting of Hunt. However, it has closed and I live way too far away to attempt it. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billmeguire (talk • contribs) 21:45, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I live in another state way too far away to take photos. The photo you referenced and the article with it are mine. It's just a photocopy of a photo of the painting of Hunt at Chamberlain Hunt, taken by my ancestor in the 1950s. It might be too poor of quality for Wikipedia...I don't know. Do I lose the ability to copyright or even use my own photos in a later book, etc. if I share? I also already have photos of places around the Natchez area from my trip and my parent's trip there in the past. They are precious to me because those trips were probably once in a lifetime trips.Billmeguire (talk) 5:11 P.M., 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. My main goal it to get my info on the Hunts out there for everyone. I have a recent photo as well as of Lansdowne - back of the mansion with dependency buildings, etc. I need to know how I could still use the photos if I ever write a book. I have enough on Hunt to do so, as well as enough on other family members and plenty on all but three or four of his plantations. Maybe I'll discuss further with you later. I must go to work now. Thanks again. I love it when others are interested in the Hunts.Billmeguire (talk) 5:45 P.M., 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I cannot add so much of my information here - unpublished family accounts of the plantations and slaves, research, maps I made of the plantations, etc. It's clear that the photos should be kept in case I ever get around to the book that preserves all of this. I am excited to post what I can here, and that it is so easy now (maybe for the first time) to zip around on the web to so many of the previously obscure articles about Hunt and to the related material on the other wiki pages. Billmeguire (talk) 2:27 P.M., 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't mind giving up my research on Hunt. I figure that I can just reword it and use my references if I ever write my book. There is more...one is mentioned in a Mark Twain book and Aaron Burr was arrested near another and taken there for questioning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billmeguire (talk • contribs) 20:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Lansdowne and Woodlawn houses are still lived in. Georgiana's main house (a plantation manager's house) is vacant and barely hanging on. Homewood's main two storied dependency building has been expanded into an occupied residence, the mansion - equal to Stanton Hall - burned. That's it I think. Am I right that I can still use all my info to make a book one day using my references, etc even after putting so much of it on Wikipedia?Billmeguire (talk) 11:02 P.M., 8 September 2014 (UTC)

The painting of Hunt is the best image of him from the TN Portrait Project site. It's also used in the book Natchez An Illustrated History on page 95 by David G. Sansing, Sim C. Callon and Carolyn Vance Smith. I don't see specifically in the book how they got to use it - it just has a long list of people thanked for allowing all the illustrations in the book to used - nothing specific about the Hunt portrait - if it helps you to know that. I have another image of Hunt that my cousins at Lansdowne gave me last year - but I have no idea where they got it - oh well. The part of this article that I just put in about which plantations specifically were in Louisiana and where and the same for Issaquena County seem like a beginning of my original research because they aren't anywhere I've ever found compiled like this except for what I posted on the internet at usgenweb and sankofagenwiki. Is this considered original research that should not be on Wikipedia? If I start adding the slave numbers for certain counties and plantations, the compilation of all those details also are not anywhere except for in my work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billmeguire (talk • contribs) 04:58, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

If the article by me on usgen web's Jefferson County page is good enough for a reference, I can simply reference that to get around things. What do you think? It's sort of like the biographical sketches of Hunt that libraries post on line to reference the David Hunt Letters, etc. - only my article is better because it has references. I've seen parts of my article all over the web and I suspect in one book - but they didn't give me a reference - and I didn't really care because I just like it when people are interested in this.Billmeguire (talk) 12:40 A.M., 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I just went ahead and referenced my research paper. It was published at the jeffersoncountyms.org website several years ago, has lots of references, and has what I knew about Hunt up until then. That way I can put more on wikipeida. Let me know if this is not ok. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billmeguire (talk • contribs) 07:06, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I just read your Abijah Hunt page. Awsome! Thanks for that.Billmeguire (talk) 12:40 A.M., 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info on how to try to get my info published. I agree with all you’ve said about that, the quality of my paper and other articles on the jeffersoncountyms.org website. I wasn’t trying to write to the standards needed to be published in a book or magazine when I wrote that. Sadly, I don’t have the time to try to get published now. Something must have happened to the person who hosted the jeffersoncountyms.org site. It hasn’t been added to or updated since 2008 or 2009. The site may get totally redone when someone else takes over. I don’t know if David Hunt is connected to Thomas Afflek. I read somewhere that the reason that David was so interested in Oakland College was that one of the big regrets of his life was that he didn’t finish his education. Maybe he attended college but didn’t graduate. The Calvits were successful planters with Thomas Calvit of Calviton being the most successful. Calvit gave or sold the land that the town of Rodney was built on. Here are sources for Calviton: APPENDIX 9; THOMAS CALVIT, CALVITSTON, AND AARON BURR: http://users.ju.edu/jclarke/josephcalvitapp9.htm . This is a larger file with references for the Calvits in general: http://users.ju.edu/jclarke/josephcalvitfamily.htm . David’s son Dunbar was published in a Journal saying that David Hunt bought Calviton and Brick Quarters plantations. I’ve read somewhere that David lived on Calviton when he was married to Mary Ann Calvit.Billmeguire (talk) 10:52 A.M., 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I may get around to some of this eventually. Tomorrow I must take over a new store, so I will be away for awhile..Billmeguire (talk) 12:50 A.M., 11 September 2014 (UTC)

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