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New members

A number of new members have joined recently, so I'd like to encourage them to participate more fully in the Project. This page is the best one for any questions, suggestions, proposals and problems to do with all Catholic-related articles. If you are editing such an article, check whether it has the "Project Catholicism" tag on the talk page, which identifies the article as part of this project. If not, please insert it at the head of the talk page using the code: {{Project Catholicism}} Other useful tasks include suggesting new articles and improvements, rating articles on our quality stage, checking that articles are correct, and helping to find reliable references for articles. Xandar 02:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thomas More Article Request for Comment

There is a request for comment on the Thomas More article talk page, where an editor has inserted a piece, based on "Foxe's Book of Martyrs" suggesting that More revelled in torturing protestants. Can people with an interest in or knowledge of this topic, comment on this on the talk:Thomas More page. Xandar 23:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Copyright concerns related to your project

This notice is to advise interested editors that a Contributor copyright investigation has been opened which may impact this project. Such investigations are launched when contributors have been found to have placed copyrighted content on Wikipedia on multiple occasions. It may result in the deletion of images or text and possibly articles in accordance with Wikipedia:Copyright violations. The specific investigation which may impact this project is located here.

All contributors with no history of copyright problems are welcome to contribute to CCI clean up. There are instructions for participating on that page. Additional information may be requested from the user who placed this notice, at the process board talkpage, or from an active CCI clerk. Thank you. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:00, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Dispute over article Anticlericalism and Freemasonry

There is well sourced material now in the new article Anticlericalism and Freemasonry which was deleted wholesale from the old article Catholicism and Freemasonry with very little discussion. What remained, after the deleted material, was moved into either Christianity and Freemasonry or Papal ban of Freemasonry. An editor is claiming that the new article Anticlericalism and Freemasonry‎ is just POV or and attack article and tried to blank the article altogether and redirect to an article without all the blanked material. The editor maintains that the article should be deleted. One editor suggested that the editor who dislikes the article nominate it for deletion, which hasn't been done...yet. While the article might have some problems, I don't think it should be blanked or deleted. Those with an interest in the matter might want to join the discussion or improve the article. Mamalujo (talk) 21:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll have a look at the page. Basically I think the subject rates coverage in a separate article. Xandar 03:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Charles I

Hi,

Does anyone know if Charles I is venerated as a saint by the Catholic Church? --AnAbsolutelyOriginalUsername42 (talk) 19:40, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know, no. Charles I was never a catholic, though I think some high Anglicans (known as Anglo-Catholics), have made moves in that direction. Xandar 01:05, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

He is in fact the only official Anglican saint (other people are "heroes"), but not a Catholic one. Didn't you read the article? Johnbod (talk) 23:54, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Article Christian pilgrimage

This article is little more than a list at the moment. It seems an important subject that could do with some improvement such as adding a history of pilgrimage and of the concept itself. Volunteers?? Xandar 01:05, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement

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GA reassessment of Aquinas College, Perth

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the article which you can see at Talk:Aquinas College, Perth/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:29, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Naming convention for churches?

Is there some sort of naming convention for churches with a specific patron saint? I don't know whether to name an article "St. Anthony Catholic Church" or "St. Anthony's Catholic Church", especially since some of my sources use one format and some use the other. Nyttend (talk) 16:06, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I can't give a reference. I noticed that the church in Rome is called "St. Peter's.." in Wikipedia. Unfortunately it is almost always said both ways in conversation. But the possessive appears most correct.

There are flukes. One church is officially called "The Conversion of St. Paul." So, naturally, everyone calls it "St. Paul's" (or St. Paul). Student7 (talk) 23:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Usually, the official name is without an apostrophe (although sometimes it does contain an apostrophe). Regardless of the official name, people -- in conversation -- usually add an " 's"; it seems to flow easier when speaking, especially when using just the nickname (e.g., St. Paul's) instead of the formal name (e.g., St. Paul Catholic Church). For example, one might say in conversation: "I am a parishioner of St. Paul Catholic Church" or "I am a parishioner at St. Paul's." Most people would not say "I am a parishioner at St. Paul." It doesn't sound right, especially since St. Paul is also a person (albeit deceased). The reason most official names don't include the apostrophe is that it is not a possessive use. The church does not "belong" to St. Paul. For example, in Naples, Fla., there is a church called "St. Peter the Apostle Catholic Church". Its name is not "St. Peter the Apostle's Catholic Church". Also, it's not "Our Lady of Perpetual Help's Catholic Church. The inclusion or non-inclusion of the apostrophe is an example of the confusion that arises when the colloquial usage differs from the formal, offical usage. Eagle4000 (talk) 16:55, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure? If so, that must be an American thing, and historically the churches were indeed the possessions of the saints - legally they belonged to them, & were administered on their behalf, usefully anticipating developments in corporate/trust law. I would always expect an apostrophe in UK English and translated European names, & I think the vast majority have them, though the formal names usually are in the form "Church of St Paul, Location". Ones that don't fit a possessive comfortably just use the name, as in "Our Lady of Perpetual Help". Johnbod (talk) 23:50, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes. The possessive is key. You can say "The Church of Saint Paul", but this is normally abbreviated to "Saint Paul's", not "Saint Paul". Even "Our Lady of Perpetual Help" will usually be from "The Church of Our Lady of Perpetual Help." To do otherwise would be to name the Church as if it were the person it is dedicated to. Xandar 01:43, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Need some help expanding Roman Catholic Country Articles

I am trying to help expand 3 articles for Roman Catholicism in these 3 partially recognised countries. I thought who better to help than this project! Hope someone can lend a hand. But do remember that these are contested areas and information can be difficult to find, so its been a bit of a challenge. Do come to the rescue of these articles!

• Roman Catholicism in Transnistria this page has been eliminated due to lack of action(Feb 8).
• Roman Catholicism in Kosovo
• Roman Catholicism in Somaliland no action from this project taken, page was merged with Somaliland main page, religion section(Feb 28).

Many thanks in advance, Outback the koala (talk) 05:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

This project was most unhelpful. Outback the koala (talk) 04:15, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Heralds of the Gospel

Can someone find a way to stop vandalism on this article? --94.37.172.194 (talk) 21:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by The hunter1986 (talk • contribs)

A US diocesan template up for deletion

A US diocesan template is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2010_February_3#Template:Catholic_dioceses_of_the_United_States. Student7 (talk) 13:15, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

That template is better set out than the other one, and also links the individual dioceses. However it would seem to be incomplete, with only about a quarter of the Archdioceses in the US listed. Perhaps that is why it hasn't been used. Can it be completed? Xandar 01:53, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I just revised the Wikilink for the title of the other template, so it now displays as: Roman Catholic Ecclesiastical Provinces in the United States. The new link takes you to an already existing list of dioceses -- by province. This might eliminate the need for the diocesan template that is up for deletion. Eagle4000 (talk) 17:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Ida Raming, Gisela Forster and Patricia Fresen

I translated today article of german writers, catholic theologian and teachers Ida Raming and Gisela Forster as South African writer, teacher and catholic theologian Patricia Fresen. GLGermann (talk) 21:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi! I need some help?!

I made links to saints like the life of st. Anthony and catholic feast days etc. from different sources and now I have been accused of linkspamming when I carefully linked every single wiki article to the specific page that was about the wiki topic. Anyone can see this clearly if he watches this manually for himself. I dont know what to do. I have followed the wiki rules perfectly?! Even admin seems to not even watched the pages but only removed my additions? Please help so I can continue adding info to wiki when I find works or articles that is about the different things. Peace.Humilityisfine (talk) 01:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I just did a search and found the following Wiki policy: Wikipedia:Spam #External link spamming. It might be helpful as you try to resolve this. Good luck. Eagle4000 (talk) 18:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, please see my reply to you here. Johnuniq (talk) 10:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Catholic social teaching

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Catholic social teaching/GA1. I have placed the article on hold for seven days. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. I haven't had anything to do with that article up until now, but I'll try and take a look in the next few days. Xandar 02:52, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Invitation for comments - Capitalization of La Salle

Hi, I am trying to correct the spelling of the page for Saint Jean-Baptiste de la Salle, founder of the Institute of the Brothers of the Christian Schools. His name is not correct as he is Jean-Baptiste of "La Salle", not of "la Salle". Because this is a matter of capitalization, I am unable to move the page and require an administrator to do this. As such, I have requested a move on the Talk page of the article here. I would appreciate any comments supporting the move (or otherwise). Thank you. -- S Masters (talk) 05:50, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

RfC - prefixes in article title of Eastern Orthodox officials

An RfC is currently open (Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(clergy)#naming_convention_associated_with_Eastern_Orthodox_officials) regarding the appropriateness of having position titles in the article title of religious Eastern Orthodox officials. Commentary would be welcomed, as the WP:NCWC talk page has a low level of activity.--Labattblueboy (talk) 21:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Ammended: The proposal currently tables is to remove of all prefix religious titles, positions and/or honours from the article title.--Labattblueboy (talk) 21:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Clean-up and watchdog

Hi! I wonder, if anyone could have an eye on Alfred Seiwert-Fleige. There's some heavy POV-pushing, original research, sockpuppetry and else going on in that article. I'ver tried my best to keep the worst nonsense out, but I'm mainly working on de:WP and not here frequently, so it'd be nice if one round here had a look form time to time. If you have question, please contact me here (might be longer till I reply or at de:WP, this business round Seiwert-Fleige and Ralph Napierski (by now perma-banned in most WPs) keeps me on my toes a bit. Regards, --Papphase (talk) 19:58, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Catholic Church reorganization proposal - comments welcome

A proposal has been made to restructure and shorten the article Catholic Church. Comments on whether or not the proposed changed should be implemented are welcome. Karanacs (talk) 22:01, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

A straw poll is being conducted on the Catholic Church talk page here [1]. A support vote will make the article look like this [2], an oppose vote rejects that proposal in favor of keeping more information in the article that looks like this [3]. Thank you for taking the time to come post a knowledgeable vote. NancyHeise ^talk 01:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)