Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television

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Linking to Barb.co.uk

I was going to ask at WP:BBC and WP:BTVS, but they don't seem to be that active. Is it possible to link directly to a specific date or table on the BARB website, especially the recent ones, such as from Weekly Top 30 or Weekly Top 10? As far as I can see, it doesn't seem to be possible. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 22:08, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Cruft/indiscriminate lists policies

In the past I've sometimes deleted ridiculous unsourced listcruft such as this [4], using WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:CRUFT as rationale (especially point 3 of NOTGUIDE, which, although it refers to videogames, seems wholly applicable to television series).

However, a user restored the material with the absurd rationale "WP:NOT GUIDE rules checked, the listing of mecha and beasts do not contradict the rules stated" [5] . While it's obviously not possible to list every single conceivable circumstance in a policy page, it's obvious to me that the content violates the NOTGUIDE/INDISCRIMINATE sections of the NOT policy. However, upon surveying that user's edits, it appears a substantial portion of his editing work on Wikipedia is writing unbelievably massive (often 9-12kb) lists of ever single mech or enemy in an anime.

Since there is a broader issue here than merely a single article, I would like to be able to point him to something more concrete so he can't use the "lists of [whatever] aren't specifically forbidden in the policy page" defense. Does anyone have a good suggestion here? Also, can we add a point to WP:NOT somewhere that is akin to point 3 of NOTGUIDE but applicable to television? I'd like to stop this problem now before he wastes more of his time and degrades more articles with this unencyclopedic content. Some guy (talk) 21:45, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Proposal for Hell's Kitchen US Series Pages

There is a proposal currently at Talk:Hell's Kitchen (U.S.) concerning preventative semi-protection on previous seasons. Please look at it and provide feedback. Thank you. Hasteur (talk) 16:54, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

File:Hnarn01.jpg

File:Hnarn01.jpg is under deletion nomination for having an invalid license. It's a Babylon 5 screenshot, so someone needs to add a fair use rationale. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 08:39, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

TV vs Television

Just a quick question since I can't seem to located it in any of the Manuals of Style. Is there a preference between "TV" and "television" in the body of an article? I tend to see a lot of article on anime series use the phrase "TV anime" or "anime TV", sometimes followed by "series" but not always. I have though of doing a sweep to make them consistent, either by changing them to "anime TV series" or "anime television series" depending on which form is preferred by the MoS. —Farix (t | c) 18:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

"Television" strikes me as being far more encyclopedic than "TV". In your above example, "anime television series" sounds much better and more professional to me. Doniago (talk) 18:30, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

That would be my preferred wording, but I wasn't sure if I was running into a case of WP:ENGVAR or if this is more similar to WP:CONTRACTION. —Farix (t | c) 18:37, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I've decided to go with "anime TV series" as it is less intrusive change than "anime television series". If "television" ends up being preferred, then it wouldn't be much of a problem to do another run. —Farix (t | c) 22:04, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

What's with English speakers? "Anime" equals to Japanese animation from TV. There is no need to disambiguate further; in fact, "anime" is sufficient enough, and "manga" is sufficient already. --George Ho (talk) 22:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

My mistake: anime is ambiguous, so... I'm unsure. --George Ho (talk) 22:11, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Television sounds much better than TV. — M.Mario (T/C) 16:34, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Yep, definitely television. GRAPPLE X 16:37, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

• Either. There is no need to prescribe the full version. "TV" is perfectly respectable and has been in use for over 60 years, the OED has cites going back to 1948, including such publications as Times Literary Supplement (1957), writers like Vladimir Nabokov (1962). As well insist that "USA" be replaced by "United States of America" in all cases. You don't have to be long winded to be taken seriously. Barsoomian (talk) 07:01, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

• • I dont think we should enforce. there are certain situations that need the full version, but it is currently more associated in short. Do we call DVDs by anything else? what about CDs? Or how about UMD? (granted UMD is quite specific). We don't have to get too technical. we don't have to elaborate the obvious.Lucia Black (talk) 01:39, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Template categorization

At WP:AFC/R, Special:Contributions/86.40.106.197 has requested a wide range of television template categories, some by country (such as Category:Belgium television navigational boxes), some by show (such as Category:Blackadder navigational boxes). Many would hold very few templates with little chance of expansion (how many Blackadder navboxes will we ever create?). I'm even more skeptical about the country categories: There's no reason Belgium TV navboxes should be more similar to each other than to, say, Argentina TV navboxes. Categorization by country thus seems a rather arbitrary criterion which would only be useful if the parent categories were so large as to be unwieldy and needed to be broken down in some way, but that's not the case. This WikiProject seems a good place to discuss the categorization of TV navboxes; what do we need? Is my reasoning sound, or should these proposed templates be created? (Currently some have been created, others have been mass-declined pending the outcome of this discussion.) Huon (talk) 01:30, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

And many others were already in existence before now, e.g. Category:Italy television navigational boxes, since 2010, or the Turkey one from 2009. Category:United Kingdom television personalities navigational boxes is merely an extension of Category:United States television personalities navigational boxes. Category:United Kingdom television network and channel navigational boxes is an extension of the US version. Such a mass refusal, because they need to be discussed and the others don't, is exasperating to say the least. Whatever happened to WP:BUREAUCRACY or the policy of ignoring all rules? This is hardly common sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.106.197 (talk) 01:43, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not seeing the organisational use of such categories; organising by decade, medium or genre would probably be a lot more sensible. GRAPPLE X 01:46, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

As for how many Blackadder navboxes will we ever create?, well how many Category:Only Fools and Horses navigational boxes will we ever create? How many Desperate Housewives do we need? I don't see what makes Blackadder any different. There are at least three already and maybe others somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.106.197 (talk) 01:47, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument; and I'd not hesitate to !vote for the deletion of those cats if it was brought up. GRAPPLE X 01:53, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Maybe the organisational use would be relating to seeing which part of the world has which franchise, e.g. Template:X Factor (Romania) or Template:The Voice of Vietnam or Template:Albanians Got Talent or Template:Holland's Next Top Model. Many of these have different versions worldwide.

That's no reason to sort the templates by country, quite the opposite. Sorting by country would hide which part of the world has which franchise by putting the templates in different categories. Furthermore, we don't need to categorize the templates for that purpose at all; the articles should provide that information. Huon (talk) 02:10, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

What about by broadcaster? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.106.197 (talk) 02:31, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

And shouldn't the same logic (i.e. no reason to sort by country) apply to Category:Television series by country? What is the difference between an Israeli reality television series and an American one? Or a German crime television series and a Canadian one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.106.197 (talk) 02:52, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Language, intended market, actors, style, likely setting ... I'm pretty sure I can recognize the difference between a Canadian and a German crime TV series even when they're dubbed in the same language. "By broadcaster" seems an even more useless categorization scheme for templates than "by country" because firstly, the resulting categories will be even smaller and we'll have to create even more tiny categories, and secondly, the differences between templates for one broadcaster's shows and another's are likely to be just as insignificant. Why do we need more template categories in the first place? Huon (talk) 12:22, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

GA TV network articles?

I'm working on writing nuvoTV from scratch, and I would like to know what exactly the article should contain. Can somebody direct me to a few GA TV network articles? Thanks in advance. Zac  06:44, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Template:Episode list

Am I the only one who thinks numbered lists should start at one? Please join the discussion at Template talk:Episode list#Number columns. 117Avenue (talk) 21:36, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

List of 30 Rock episodes at FLRC

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Greatest roles of all time lists

I am trying to find out if there are greatest role lists or greatest fictional character role lists. Please comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fictional characters#Greatest roles of all time lists with any advice.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:07, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Cheers and Frasier task forces

I wonder if anybody is still interested. It has been on for two months, and we have four supporters, including me. I'm still working on Cheers (season 2), and I'm doing the sandbox version of List of Cheers characters. I'm way behind, and I absolutely have little or no interest on making Frasier episodes, UNLESS it's Cheers-related. --George Ho (talk) 01:35, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

British stage, film and television database help

I'm still trying to create the Willy Loman article. If you know anything that might be analogous to www.IBDb.com for West End theatre please chime in at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Theatre#West_End_theatre_database. Also, looking for BAFTA data.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Unsourced station listings

Just to drop this Wikiproject a notice that there is an editor that is adding unsourced "Stations" sections to television programs that were broadcast in syndication. One IP has already been blocked[6] and I spotted another IP from the same IP range at Ronin Warriors and Sailor Moon I'm not sure if these IPs are related to Mark Lungo (talk · contribs), who was also added syndicated stations to articles earlier. 01:44, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I think these edits by the IP are likely the same ones as Mark Lungo. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:17, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

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Cable television task force

I think it's time to create a cable television task force. The articles are poorly written, poorly linked, and frankly there are a lot of articles that need to exist in this field that don't. Just as an example there are absolutely no articles that mention cable tv programming from any given time. If anyone wants to help out, please do so. Thanks. Lighthead ^þ 03:19, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I forgot, here's the page if you want to help out: Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Cable television task force. If I end up doing anything wrong please either help me fix it, or let me know. Thanks, again. Lighthead ^þ 03:23, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk:List of AT&T U-verse channels

There's a dispute underway between a couple of editors on that page. Could someone else familiar with television programming take a look and try to sort them out? I'm not familiar with the topic but got sucked in as an admin.

Thanks, --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:19, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you for your attention. The primary question is whether a channel list should include only the immediately available channels or also a historical review of changes in channel assignments. Assistance would be greatly appreciated. 12.153.112.21 (talk) 13:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Discussion about channel lineups in general

Channel lineups, like List of Dish Network channels (United States) and List of channels on Sky, are discussed in WP:village pump (policy). Express your views in regards to them. --George Ho (talk) 06:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Extending from this, an AFD has been started for one of these articles (the above AT&T Uverse listing) which can be found here. It is anticipated that if this one is deleted, the AFD will be used as a precursor to handle all such other pages that George Ho refers to (specifically those in the category Category:Lists of television channels by company) without having to AFD each one, so a wider consensus would be helpful. --MASEM (t) 15:23, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Category:WikiProject Awake

Category:WikiProject Awake, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for merger to Category:Wikipedia Awake task force. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:44, 27 September 2012 (UTC)