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MassMessage help

Hi Technical 13,

I came across your name whilst trying to work out how to use the MassMessage service. Back in the days of EdwardsBot, I was (and still am) on the list of approved members. However, I took a bit of a hiatus back in January, and wasn't aware that the messaging service had been changed. I'm now confused how the new system works, and I'm banging my head against a brick wall working out what the hell I'm suppose to do in order to send a project newsletter out to its members. The members are on this list, but apparently I've to create some target list. Not a clue how to do that, and I feel totally lost.

Would it be possible if you could kindly explain to me how the new system works and what steps I need to take in order to send a newsletter using the new system? Feel free to post the information on my own talk page, so that I have it there for future reference. Thank you in advance. Wes Mᴥuse 19:56, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Interesting. There are some instructions on using the new system on Mass message sender, m:MassMessage, and mw:Help:Extension:MassMessage. There is also a template you may wish to use {{Mailing list member}} that has some interesting features and make it a little easier. You can also look at existing mailing lists to see how they should all be put together. If you have any further specific questions after looking all that over, I'd be happy to help you out. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 21:13, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for that information, Tech13. I'm just confused as to where I make this mailing list thingamajig? The guidance itself isn't helpful and just says to make such a list, but nothing as to where this list should be made. Oh how I miss EdwardsBot lol. At least I knew what I was doing with that thing. This new version is very confusing, and the guidance isn't exactly in Layman's terms. Wes Mᴥuse 21:38, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Woohoo I did it. I haven't a clue how I did it, but the important thing is I managed to figure it out. Although my brain feels a bit frazzled now. Phew, I need a coffee after all that. Thank you for all the help you provided, I really appreciate it sincerely. Wes Mᴥuse 23:54, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Ahh. The list can be anywhere and allows for mixed content. You could adjust your existing page to be the list. The MMs bot only cares about the #target: calls. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 02:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Comment

I just stopped by to express my disappointment at your actions on the discussion that I closed yesterday. You are right to express and defend your ideas, but there comes a time when you need to step back and listen to others. Part of working in a collaborative environment is the need to be able to compromise and know when to back off. There is no way that that discussion should have needed an outside editor to come in and close it. It is was nowhere near a close call. You ought to accepted consensus and stopped blocking progress. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:26, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

• MSGJ, while that is all well and good, I'm the one that has to go through every single draft and fix them to break the templates and comments out into the talk page where they belong wasting hundreds of hours. I'm not impressed at all. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 10:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

  You do not have to do any such thing. We are all volunteers here just doing what we want; nobody has to do anything :) In any case, the situation for years has been that comments are mixed with content, and this change has not made the situation any worse. I agree with you that, ideally, comments would be placed on the talk page. But there is the real danger than newbies would miss them there. (The whole namespace concept is lost on newbies.) So I think we should discuss this very carefully. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Me again. Your contributions to the discussion on Template talk:Welcome#"Especially what you did for" are making me seriously question whether we should be trusting you to answer protected edit requests. Numerous editors have explained why your reasoning is faulty, and you seem to have misconceptions about some of basic principles of how Wikipedia works. I'm not sure why you persist in arguing over inconsequential details, but perhaps it is time to focus on a different area of the project for a while? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:43, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

• Martin, it is quite simply because the new changed without consensus wording is confusing to new users and I don't want to get any more emails complaining about it. So, since there was no consensus for this new wording, it was a bold edit in an attempt to get consensus by editing. I object to this new wording, and therefor it needs to be reverted or otherwise fixed so I don't get any more emails. I've offered a suitable replacement wording, any the only object is that it "feels weird" to thank someone for their actions. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 12:01, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Technical, I asked on the template talk page, but perhaps it slipped through the cracks before. Would you mind providing the usernames of a few editors who have been improperly welcomed/thanked with the new template? (Also, after reading the above, it wasn't thanking someone for their actions that felt "weird" grammatically to me, but thanking someone for what their actions did. ~Adjwilley (talk) 16:31, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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Responding to protected edit requests

Hi, I've noticed several times in the past that when responding to protected edit requests, you are causing damage to other content on the page. This seems to be still occurring; the latest instance that I have noticed is this post from earlier today. Such damage often occurs in an entirely different thread, which suggests to me that you are editing the whole page, instead of the relevant section. Therefore, in future, please would you: (i) edit only the section that you are posing to, and not the whole page; (ii) use the "Show changes" button before saving, to make sure that you are not changing something else. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:05, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

• As I understand it Rose, it is a parsoid bug that is reflected in Jackmcbarn's User:Jackmcbarn/editProtectedHelper script. I catch it "most" of the time, but do occasionally miss one especially if it was way up or down the screen as when the page reloads after the fix, it takes me back to near where the edit request was, the top of the page, or the next edit request if there are more on the page. On long pages, it is easy to miss this issue. The only way to really fix it is to get the developers to fix parsoid. In the mean time, I thank you and appreciate any fixes to such issues that you catch I may have missed. Jack, do you think that the script could load a "last change" in a new tab until parsoid is fixed to make it harder to miss these? — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 19:28, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

If it's a script, then as with other user scripts such as WP:AWB, you are responsible for all edits made using the script. If the script is buggy (which it appears to be), either get it fixed or stop using it. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:31, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

• @Redrose64: The actual cause of these are a few minor bugs in mw:extension:Parsoid, the same thing that powers VisualEditor. As I see these bugs, I've been reporting them, but there's really nothing else that we can do about them. (After all, we don't have a rule against using VisualEditor, even though it has the same glitches as well.) Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:34, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
• It's not the script that is buggy, it is the MediaWiki software. So, it's nothing like AWB (which isn't a script, it's an independent program). Like I said, there isn't much that can be done until the developers decide to fix the MediaWiki software, and I don't expect them to get rid of parsoid or VisualEditor because of these bugs. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 19:41, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Same goes. If VE screws up the page you're working on, don't use VE. I don't. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:05, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

• Rose, it's MediaWiki that's screwing up, and if you expect everyone to quit using it, nothing will get done at all because that's all of Wikipedia. That seems a bit silly to me... Anyways, hopefully the developers will get MediaWiki and Parsoid fixed soon. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 22:57, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

If the problem lies with parsoid, why do you think that MediaWiki is broken? They are not the same. How can you be sure that the bug isn't in your script? I don't see anything else screwing up pages in this manner. If it was a fault with MediaWiki, as you seem to be saying, I would expect the problem to be much more extensive; and I would expect that edits made by myself would exhibit the same problem - but AFAICT, they don't. Every single edit that I have ever made has gone through MediaWiki, so can you find one - any one - which has screwed up the page in the manner as your script?

And as I have explained before, talk page indenting is done with colons, not asterisks/bullets. See for example Help:Using talk pages (where asterisks/bullets are not mentioned at all); Wikipedia:Indentation (which only once mentions bullets, and doesn't say that they should be used for indenting); and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines (which mentions bullets three times). Regarding this last, the three mentions are: once to show that the removal of bullets from discussions that are not consensus polls or requests for comment (RfC) is permitted; once to show that blank lines should not be used between lines within an indented or bulleted list; and once to show that colons are used for indentation, not bullet points, except in deletion discussions. None of these advocate the use of bullets for regular talk page indenting. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:49, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

• Parsoid is a MediaWiki extension, written by MediaWiki developers as part of the MediaWiki product. Therefor, it is a component of MediaWiki and if it is broken, MediaWiki is broken. It's like spokes of a wheel, if a spoke is broken, then the whole wheel is broken. It's not my script, so for details of how it is known to be a mw:extension:Parsoid issue instead of an EPH issue, you will have to ask Jack.
• As I have said before, WP:INTERSPERSE requires clear indentation, and using colons is unclear as all of the posts at the same level aren't distinguishable from each other. Also, it is not necessary to bring talk pages to publishing standards, so there is no need to correct typing/spelling errors, grammar, etc. It tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Finally, cautiously editing or removing another editor's comments is sometimes allowed, but normally you should stop if there is any objection. I've objected many times to you editing my comments, as such, you should stop because you know that TPO isn't an excuse to ignore my request for you to stop changing my bullet indenting to whitespace indenting on my own talk page. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 13:52, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

You're still doing it. Please stop. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:48, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 21, 2014)

The Battle of Varoux, part of the French Revolutionary Wars Hello, Technical 13. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: French Revolutionary Wars Previous selections: Forests of Australia • Travel documentary Get involved with the TAFI project! You can... Nominate an article Review nominations Have your say in future selections Posted by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of EuroCarGT (talk) 00:37, 19 May 2014 (UTC) •

Notification of a June AfC BackLog Drive

Hello Technical 13:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Elimination Drive!
The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running from June 1, 2014 to June 30, 2014.

Awards will be given out for all reviewers participating in the drive in the form of barnstars at the end of the drive.
There is a backlog of over 2600 articles, so start reviewing articles! Visit the drive's page and help out!

The AfC helper script can assist you in tallying your edits automatically. To view a full list of changes, visit the changelog. Please report bugs and feature requests there, too! Thanks. Sent on behalf of (t) Josve05a (c) by {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} using the MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:46, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

You sent the above mail to yourself... he he :D

Btw please let me know if you have anything else to send, my MMS extension is waiting :) Jim Carter ^(talk) 15:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

• Yes Jim, I happened to also be on that mailing list. Your MMS extension? — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 16:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I mean, I have used my MassMessage rights only for three times till now. I want to use it more so if you have any more mailings please let me know I want to make use of my flag and send some mails :) Jim Carter ^(talk) 16:30, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

• I understand Jim. The best way to do that is to watch the talk page where requests for mailings are made. :) This request might have been a little tricky because the mailing list wasn't where the requester thought it was and required the template they wanted to use to send the message to be modified to accept a new parameter. But, if you watch that page, I'm sure you'll see some requests that you can fulfill. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 16:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Titodutta did you mean Who have... actually this user right generally given if you have grandfathered Edwardbot which is now replaced by this right. By this right one can send out messages to multiple users by a mailing list. You can also get this tools if you are coordinating a meetup or a WikiProject which sends newsletters and backlog drive notifications etc. I have coordinated WP:ORPHAN that is why I got this tool. Technical 13 thanks for the suggestion WT:MMS is now on my watchlist. Jim Carter ^(talk) 17:12, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

ACC:121747

Maybe that should of been a password reset ? Mlpearc (open channel) 20:59, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

• I considered that, Mlpearc, but based on the comment, I got the idea that wasn't the case. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 00:27, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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IRC Bot

Hi T13,

Long time no see! How've you been? Yesterday, I got auto-Klined from freenode, as my IRC bot was spamming. I have sent them an email regarding the Kline, yet I have not received a reply yet. Now, the bot doesn't work at all. It is coded in Python. Would you be able to help me? If so, do you have Skype or something so that we can communicate (via messaging, not necessarily calling)? --JustBerry (talk) 20:38, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

• I know nothing about python just yet but I'm led to believe that Theopolisme, Hasteur, Legoktm, Cyberpower678 and ∑ might. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 22:12, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

JustBerry, can you post the source code on GitHub or another code hosting platform so perhaps one of us can take a look? Theopolisme (talk) 22:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Respect edit request

The Reliable Source IS the CURRENT source. Iliekinfo (talk) 23:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

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This week's article for improvement (week 22, 2014)

Roger Ebert, well known for his contributions to film criticism. Hello, Technical 13. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: Film criticism Previous selections: French Revolutionary Wars • Forests of Australia Get involved with the TAFI project! You can... Nominate an article Review nominations Have your say in future selections Posted by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of EuroCarGT (talk) 00:04, 26 May 2014 (UTC) •

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	For once again helping me in issues where I was far out of my depth. Thank you! Best, Matty.007 15:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Your Teahouse photo

There is a red link instead of a photo, when your name is shown as one of the Teahouse hosts.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 17:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

• That is because an image that should have been PD was deleted as non-free from commons. I don't personally care to fix it at the moment, but if you find a new image that you think I might like that suits my personality, feel free to change it. Thanks. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 18:24, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you would like.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Dead

Am gone, I mean am dead! Adminstrators are going to eat me now... :'( Jim Carter ^(talk) 13:44, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

• Pfft, Jim, this is only Wikipedia. You'll be fine. I don't expect a block, although your mass message sender userright may be taken from you. Then again, there is a lot of discussion and there is enough disagreement about whether what you did was right or wrong that I'm not sure that will happen either. Just keep your chin up.  :) — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 14:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Technical 13, your comment was really encouraging; I hope they don't drop a block bomb at me. I'm really afraid O.o Jim Carter ^(talk) 14:42, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

• Okay Jim, since I feel the worst part of such things is the suspense, I've opened a new section to the discussion and supported that you just be reprimanded and limited (kind of like an inverted topic ban) to just WP:ORPHAN retention mass mailings. This should be a fairly quick decision by most, and I think you will be fine. Feel free to !vote yourself, and although I understand it will be difficult, try to keep your comment short and to the point. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 15:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Someone closed the discussion???? :'( Jim Carter ^(talk) 15:48, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

• That's fine. The discussion was opened, and it was apparently decided nothing should be done. I wouldn't worry about it. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 16:25, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Ooouuhh... At last I'm not dead. The credit goes to you. Infinite thanks. And how about adding your opinion on the proposal since I haven't added your name in the list. :P

I also promise to only use this right for the WikiProject Orphanage purpose only. Thank you again now am feeling good.  :) Jim Carter ^(talk) 19:07, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

RfA Proposal

Hello Technical 13, I would like to formally ask you: would you like an RfA? --JustBerry (talk) 22:57, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

• It's been suggested to me before JustBerry and I quite honestly do not have the time to go through an RfA and I'm not interested in accomplishing any of the page creation and page editing and AfD requirements anyways. I am also somewhat ill (extreme stress, depression, and anxiety about my fairly recent divorce, keeping up with school, and the well being of my daughter) so for now I wouldn't make a good candidate anyways. My only goals here at the moment are to try and escape some of the anxiety and work on technical aspects of the wiki in doing so (templates, JavaScripts, PHP on the backend maybe). I appreciate your offer however and the reason that I reverted your removal of the proposal is that you are not the first to offer (I've actually had other administrators offer to nominate me) and I think it will be good to leave this hear to prevent the next person from asking. Eventually this will be archived and perhaps by then I'll be a little more mentally capable of going through the process. Be well! — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 23:38, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 23, 2014)

The Amazon Basin, pictured in yellow, holds the largest rainforest in the world. Hello, Technical 13. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: Amazon Basin Previous selections: Film criticism • French Revolutionary Wars Get involved with the TAFI project! You can... Nominate an article Review nominations Have your say in future selections Posted by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of EuroCarGT (talk) 00:03, 2 June 2014 (UTC) •

Discussion at Template talk:3D software#Classification added on 2 June 2014

You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:3D software#Classification added on 2 June 2014. Thanks. Codename Lisa (talk) 11:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)Template:Z48

I just made these...

Hi.

I just finished making these:

Hopefully, they will cover up your userbox losses, caused by recent killings in Commons. Some admin just deleted the 2002 logos in spite of the DR for the file having ended as kept.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 18:22, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

What browser?

What browser (and version) is this from? Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:31, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

• The latest Firefox (29 I think). Jackmcbarn. It may have something to do with I have the preference checked to disable forced https and use http. This can probably best be fixed by using relative protocols or detecting if the current page url is http or https. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 00:57, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I already do that. Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:58, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm having trouble

Hey friend, I'm having a trouble. I want to add something in the script used by Page curation. I frequently use Page curation to review pages. And honestly I always use Page curation to request articles for CSD. But I often face a problem to keep track of those article. (I sometime have 100 edits per day) And I have 1800 articles on my watchlist. So, I can't track if the article is deleted or the deletion tag has been removed by the author. So I want to add some code to the MediaWiki script so that it can create a subpage similar to User:Jim Cartar/CSD log created by TW. And it will update whenever Page curation is used to add a CSD tag. How is my idea? I think it will also help other users to keep a record. Jim Carter ^(talk) 16:13, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm asking you because I know you are an expert of Js related discussion. Jim Carter ^(talk) 16:16, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

• I know nothing of how page curation works really. Have you tried bringing up this idea on the talk page for page curation? I'm sure one of the developers would be happy to add it as an option? I like having the log too, and I do a lot of AfC stuff, so I talked to the developers of the AFCH and now it will log CSDs to the same page Twinkle uses (to keep them all in the same place and make it easier to track). If you need specific help in proposing the idea, just point me to the talk page for page curation (and or the talk page of the script they use) and I'd be happy to propose it. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 16:33, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I have started a thread here you can add something if you like to. BTW I think you are also a AFCH developer? Jim Carter ^(talk) 18:24, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	This is both two fold, for your original idea at RFPP (ahem, second paragraph), and your novel compromise, which think is is quite reasonable. Best of luck with the RfC, I will be watching from the sidelines. kelapstick(bainuu) 17:29, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Request Edit templates

Hey I noticed you were tinkering with the Request Edit template and was wondering if you could help with something User:Sphilbrick has been looking for a technical person for. Basically if you see the Fake Examples section here we need someone to work their magic to make it work.

I think it's the only thing needed before moving it live. CorporateM (Talk) 02:40, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• Ping Sphilbrick and CorporateM. I'm going to need more details here... Make what work exactly, and what is the definition of "work". — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 02:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It sounds like they want a script to make a list of all recent closes of COI edit requests, the same way AFCH makes a list of all recent article accepts. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:48, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• Well, if that's the case, then the need an EditCOIHelper that can log for them... :p You want that job since it should be a fairly simple adaptation of you EPH, Jack? — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 02:53, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Sure. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:55, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Yuppers. We have all these categories for closed Request Edits[1][2][3][4], but with no way to sort them by date to see the recent ones or to see who is closing them, etc. It's sort of a black box system where nobody can see what's going on. The volume is much smaller than AfC or NPP, so the system is not well-developed yet. Volume is growing quickly, so we need something a bit more scalable. CorporateM (Talk) 03:07, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

At the recent Wikiconference USA, we had a meeting to talk about how to move forward. One aspect is finding a better way to keep track of what we are doing. User:CorporateM is using the AFC templates as a model for a project page, so it seems natural to recycle some of the tools used there for COI Request Edits. However,User:NativeForeigner also suggested that the table at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations might also be useful. Obviously, not all fields, but if there were a way to generate a table like that, identifying items such as:

• Location of request
• Name of editor making the request
• Time of original request
• Name of editor most recently working on servicing the request
• Time of most recent edits related to the request
• Interim resolution (not yet touched, open)
• Final resolution (fully implemented, partially implemented, declined, with reason)
• Time of final resolution
• Elapsed time between initial request and final resolution (or current time, if not final)

The table would have all recent items, with items closed over 90 days moved to an archive list.

The above is just off the top of my head, we are likely to identify additional information needed, but this should give you a flavor of what I was hoping to accomplish. I do not have strong feelings on whether the AfC or SPI model is the best starting point, just wanted to make sure it was considered.--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:54, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• Okay, I think I'm starting to understand Sphilbrick, what you need is a bot like AnomieBOT or EarwigBot To check certain categories and build you a response table kind of like what already exists on User:AnomieBOT/EDITREQTable or more like Template:AFC statistics? — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 13:02, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, something like the AfC Statistics seems fine. At some time, it may be useful to analyze some metrics - average length of time from request to resolution, counts of how many are implemented fully, versus partial, versus rejected, etc. I mention this in case it affects how it should be structured. --S Philbrick(Talk) 13:26, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Just to be clear, the existing AnomieBOT/EDITREQTable has some shortcomings. It doesn't identify who takes up requests, and once an item is handled, it disappears from the table. I don't want items to last in the table forever, but I would like old ones to be archived, so they can be viewed.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:00, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• I've tried asking Anomie about that, and iirc (my memory is horrible), he said he didn't know how to go about making it accurate information without developing a whole new system and he just didn't have time for that kind of project. All of his source code for that bot is available from the bot's userspace and if someone was to develop the rest of the system, I'm sure he would consider edit requests for the bot to be more efficient. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 14:03, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm, I'll check the code. NativeForeigner ^Talk 20:16, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

		The Computing Star
		For your all your awesome help here and here. --UserJDalek 04:38, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Merging drafts from AfC

Thank you for your comment at WikiProject Ireland. My problem is a technical one. Can draft articles at AfC be merged into other articles in exactly the same way as articles in mainspace? I don't know the technicalities of AfC and I don't want to "break" anything. I suggested to FoCuSandLeArN that he should go ahead and create the article, and then we can go through the normal merge process, but he seems reluctant to do that. Scolaire (talk) 09:08, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, but it is probably going to require an administrator to do a proper WP:HISTMERGE and with it being four pages as such, it will likely be a complicated one, and administrators willing to do complicated histmerges can be hard to find. You can try posting it in the Wikipedia:Cut-and-paste-move repair holding pen, noting that it may get declined because there are slightly parallel histories, but you should not in the request that you are requesting this before any text-merging is done to make sure that you avoid any problems. I don't know a lot about history merging, it's not something that is done on the other wikis I'm an administrator at. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 12:25, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Exists template

Regarding your curt edit summary: (a) You broke the template. Unintentionally, of course, but it was broken, and it's in use in hundreds if not thousands of other pages. (b) I am not an expert on the template or how to code it, nor did I have time at the moment to look into it. I just knew that it was broken, and I reverted it to a version that, for my test, worked. It may not have worked for the cases that you were attempting to fix it for, but it worked for cases that your version didn't work for. (c) I could have just contacted you ... but how would I have known whether you were still online, or when you would be next? It needed attention now and I took care of it as best I could for the moment. —Largo Plazo (talk) 14:30, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• You misunderstood what I was saying. You knew that "Talk:Tony Hawk's Whatever" was a pagename, and you could see it was previously "{{{page|{{{1}}}}}}" and all you had to do was replace one for the other... I'm taking care of it now. Thanks for letting me know. Happy editing. :) I do believe it is fixed now.. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 14:49, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• OK, I get it. But macros are very delicate, especially when there are constructs like 12 consecutive right braces; and I really couldn't be sure that that's all there would have been to it anyway. I wasn't going to take the chance! Thanks. —Largo Plazo (talk) 15:02, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Please don't...

...hide the content of Bonkers's user page. It has survived MfD twice, so there's no consensus that it needs to be removed (or rather a consensus that it need not be removed), and doing it without a supporting consensus, and without a request from Bonkers himself, just seems like rubbing salt in the wound to me. I don't think it's necessary. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:39, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• Writ Keeper, I see multiple requests on his talk page for it to be blanked and no opposition, this looks like a consensus to me. I still intend on fixing the coding on the page so it "can" be done, and am wondering if maybe just hiding it from unconfirmed editors would be okay with you (this should block random IPs and search indexers that don't follow robots.txt). — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 22:42, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
  • No, it's not all right by me (though I don't have any kind of final say about it, of course). It's his user page; I know he doesn't own it, but users have wide discretion on their own user page, and we shouldn't circumvent it without reason. The correct place to go to if people don't like that is MfD, and as I mentioned, the page has already survived two of those. If people want to try it again, they can file another MfD, but until then, I don't see the value of blanking their user page, even if it's only for non-admins. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:47, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
    • That's fine. I'll just fix the broken and missing code then. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 23:17, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Final Appeal

Please stop being obstinate. Per Wikipedia:Template_editors#Criteria_for_revocation I have grounds to believe that you have fallen astray of multiple of the conditions for revocation (including a pattern of performing obviously controversial edits to protected templates without first determining consensus, used the permission to gain the upper hand in disputes, and performed any blatant vandalism). I therefore ask you to do the right thing and revert your controversial implementation. If I do not get satisfaction I will have no other option but to appeal to the appropriate venue (WP:ANI per Wikipedia:RFPERM). I would prefer not to do this as it would be a blunt club to deal with a issue and put a permanant stain on your template editing privileges, but your continued misrepresentation of consensus is not acceptable. Hasteur (talk) 21:33, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

@Hasteur: if you believe there is a pattern of misuse (and not just a few bad calls) then the best course of action would be WP:RFC/U. If, at the conclusion, there is firm consensus that some advanced privileges should not be held by this editor, this can be enacted. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:05, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

A quick sincere thank you for unlocking Adverse Childhood Experiences (study). FeatherPluma (talk) 01:01, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Archiving of Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)

Why did you manually archive these four threads? None of them were particularly old (one of them was last commented on yesterday); ClueBot III (talk · contribs) would have handled them eventually. It would also have put them into the current archive, and not an old one, which was last used for archiving in November 2013. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:56, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

They all appeared to be marked as resolved, and they were last commented on 6, 5, 4, & 4 days ago based on the last post. "Something" needed archiving because I was hitting some kind of page length limit that was preventing me from scrolling down to the bottom of the page on my mobile in desktop mode. I'd never had that problem before and archiving those sections fixed it. As far as where it got archived to goes, that should be looked into in more depth because Equazicon's archiver uses whatever the regular bot would be using based on the configuration on the page. Sounds like cluebot isn't updating the page counter like it should be. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 13:36, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Once again you're blaming the system for errors that you made. Check your edits before saving. I have moved the threads to the proper archive - I would have undone your edits, because (despite what you put above), none of those threads were marked {{resolved}}, but subsequent edits to the page mean that "undo" is not possible. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:41, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

• Once again, you are telling me that I need to check my edits before saving when using a fully automated editing tool where checking my edits is impossible as there is no edit window. The final post in most of the threads is the original poster saying "thank you for your responses" which strongly implies that it is resolved. However, thanks for bringing it to my attention that cluebot isn't preforming all of its duties if it is not updating the count for the archive page number. I'm digging into that now. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 17:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

CB3 never has and never does update the archive counter on the source page. That is how it was designed. It is not a failure of CB3 not "preforming all of its duties". The problem is that One Click Archiver (OCA) was designed specifically to function only with the MizaBot/lowercase sigmabot III style of bots using only numbered archives (lcSB3 does update the counter when moving to a new numbered archive). OCA was not intended for any other use, except for when a manually updated additional template was placed on the page to give it a counter reference. The real issue is that One Click Archiver is a script which works in a very limited subset of situations, but was released for public use without making it clear that it does not function properly under a large number of situations. Even if that issue had been made clear, I still disagree that it was appropriate to release it for public use with its current limitations. The current limitations are guaranteed to be encountered by most of the people attempting to use it and are guaranteed to cause issues when it is used in that manner. — Makyen (talk) 03:33, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• By me removing the commented out and dead MB/LCSBIII config at the top of the page, no-one should be able to use OCA on that page anymore. Issue resolved itself by removing the unused and expired code from the target page. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 03:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I had just looked at your changes on the VPT page and was making a similar statement that the changes should result in OCA failing on the page when I found there was an edit conflict. I agree that this is an acceptable solution as indicating failure to the user is better than archiving to the wrong page without informing the user.

The only other significant thing I was saying in that now non-existant edit is that OCA really should be re-designed to properly parse both CB3 and lcSB3 (MizsaBot) configs and handle date based archives in addition to just numbered lcSB3 archive schemes. — Makyen (talk) 03:58, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 7 June 2014

A purely procedural note, but I don't feel it was appropriate for you to close that edit request. The nature of the request was a disagreement that Hasteur had with an edit you made. That makes you involved (in a non-admin sense) and therefore, in the eyes of much the Wikipedia community, poorly placed to rule on matters of consensus or to use advanced permissions impartially. I'm not suggesting you re-open the request, but a better course of action would have been to let an uninvolved template editor or admin make a call on the request. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 10:47, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I was involved. I had considered that, but based on the frequent and disruptive requests from that user, and the fact that his basis for the request no longer existed, I felt it was the only logical conclusion that anyone would come to. Based on these facts, I remember vaguely there is a clause that says if it's the only reasonable solution IAR applies and and involved closure is fine. Anyways, I appreciate you stopping in to make sure I understood what I was doing and had justifable and sound reasoning. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 13:25, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Technical 13, please do not close any edit requests where you are involved or any requests involving Hasteur from now on. Thank you. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Testing changes to individual Twinkle modules on wiki.

@AzaToth, This, that and the other, Amalthea, and Aaron Schulz: I have a change to the Twinkle friendlytalkback module I'm working on, and I'm wondering what I need to do to test that it works properly? The test code is on User:ShoeMaker/Gadget-friendlytalkback.js (which is a alternate account of mine that currently has the regular Twinkle disabled (because I reset it to site default settings for testing)). What do I need to setup on that account to have Twinkle load with my test module instead of the live one? I'm assuming that I need to load a modified main MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js (I can just through it in my "skin.js" file for testing) that calls my test script instead of the live one? Thanks. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 16:18, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

We all have different setups to test Twinkle I think (personally I've set up a local web server and import a dynamically combined script from my hard disc, via my monobook.js). For that reason nobody has ever invested any time to make it easy for /everybody/ to switch to test modules even though it wouldn't be particularly hard to do so (we could even include the github HEAD files ...).
Anyhow, if you're only planning minor changes that won't require a whole lot of iteration something like this may be sufficient:

mw.loader.using(['mediawiki.user','mediawiki.util','jquery.ui.dialog','jquery.tipsy'], function(){
	mw.loader.load('//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&title=MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js');
	mw.loader.load('//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&title=MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.css', 'text/css');
	mw.loader.load('//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&title=MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js');
});

mw.loader.load('//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&title=User:ShoeMaker/Gadget-friendlytalkback.js');

Twinkle.talkback();

You'll need to execute the three statements separately to give them time to load the scripts, and the first statement will throw errors since a number of Twinkle modules will be missing and the initialization code can't cope with that. But it will get your module loaded. :)
Amalthea 17:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Automatic archiving

Hey I noticed you archived posts on Talk:Yank Barry from a few days ago. You might already know this but wanted to mention that *any* thread that had a reply within the archival-timeriod (in this case which used to be 30 days) would still be kept on the main talkpage. The system was working so far as I can tell - it's just that some of those apparently older threads had very recent replies. I fixed the talkpage Notice so it is clear that the archiving will occur for threads that have no replies within the past 15 days. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

• Shearonink, please see User talk:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver#Not working for me. I was tinkering around because there was a report that archiving wasn't working. I couldn't figure out why exactly it was giving that error (which means it must be a bug in the way the script handles the configuration I've been unable to dig into yet), so I tried an alternative measure so that it would work in the future. That thread was the most stale (no edits in something like 21 days which is over the 15 days you claim it should be now), and made a good testcase. Anyways. Happy editing and thanks for stopping by! — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 21:20, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

So far as I can tell, lowercase sigmabot was apparently working as it was supposed to, it was carrying over content from the main talk into the Archives every day until 8 June when OCA was used a couple of times. I guess I don't understand what you mean by "there was a report that archiving wasn't working" - is archiving in general having issues or was there a concern about that particular talk page? Also, will it make a difference that there are now two separate sets of code containing "archive = Talk:Yank Barry/Archive %(counter)d|counter = 1"? Thx, Shearonink (talk) 05:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

After I posted above, I saw that the redundant code has been removed by another editor. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 06:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 24, 2014)

File:Elmo-cockpit xltn.jpg The Tickle Me Elmo toy was based on the Sesame Street character Elmo Hello, Technical 13. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: Tickle Me Elmo Previous selections: Amazon Basin • Film criticism Get involved with the TAFI project! You can... Nominate an article Review nominations Have your say in future selections Posted by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of EuroCarGT (talk) 00:10, 9 June 2014 (UTC) •

Signature assistance

Hi T13, I noticed your offer at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab) to assist those wishing to bring their signature into the 21st century. I made an effort to do this recently but I'm not good enough at CSS. Generally, I want to keep the brown and blue colors and have a larger lowercase "t" at the beginning if possible. Thanks for your help. - tucoxn\^talk 00:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• Hello Tucoxn! Welcome! I think you will be happy with:

- '''[[User:Tucoxn|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#522C1B">t</span><span style="color:#522C1B">u</span><span style="color:#417DC1">coxn</span>]]'''\<sup>[[User_talk:Tucoxn|<span style="font-family:serif">talk</span>]]</sup>

which is fourteen characters less than the length of your existing signature, looks nearly identical, and contains no deprecated code.

In order to have your <big>t</big>, simply use this code (which makes your signature code length identical to what it is now):

- '''[[User:Tucoxn|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#522C1B;font-size:16px">t</span><span style="color:#522C1B">u</span><span style="color:#417DC1">coxn</span>]]'''\<sup>[[User_talk:Tucoxn|<span style="font-family:serif">talk</span>]]</sup>

Existing: - tucoxn\^talk     New: - tucoxn\^talk     With <big> t: - tucoxn\^talk

Enjoy! — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 01:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

"a" vs "an" for acronyms

Ah, yes, maybe I should have begun by googling it. For reference, this is what I was looking for. Here's an excerpt on correct usage. It depends on whether the acronym is pronounced as a word, or as letters, and whether the first sound of the letter/word is hard or soft:

   a FASB rule; an FOB airfield
   a LAN schematic; an LAPD memo
   a MOMA exhibit; an MRI test
   a NICU nurse; an NPO order
   a SAM base; an SAT exam

Squish7 (talk) 02:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Help

Hey friend, I have done what you said here, but I'm still facing problem. I have installed the script here but the script is not working? What should I do now? Jim Carter ^(talk) 11:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey I it's working now. Thanks. Jim Carter ^(talk) 16:12, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, I saw this before I was awake this morning and forgot about it... My first thought was that you needed to WP:BYPASS your cache (and waiting a little time automatically did it for you. Anyways, happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 16:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Signature

(Replying to what you said at Tucoxn's tp) How silly of me. Is there a tag I can use for the color that isn't deprecated? I've seen some kind of "span" tag that some use. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 16:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• Yes.

--[[User:AmaryllisGardener|'''<span style="color:#E0115F">Amaryllis</span><span style="color:#74C365">Gardener</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup>

should give you an identical appearing signature to what you have now: --AmaryllisGardener ^talk

Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 16:53, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Replaced. Thank you! --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 16:54, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Second guessing other editors

I noticed before that you had added additional responses to one or two of the edit requests I serviced. (I check pages in my contributions list for which my response was no longer marked current to catch some of the replies where the requester fails to reactivate the template.) That behavior raised a concern on my part that you had some issue which you weren't bringing up in a direct manner. Now you've escalated to "calling me out" about a decision on an article talk page. That increases my concern to the point where I need to bring it up with you. You should voice any concerns you have about how I service edit requests on my talk page. If a mature conversation there does not reach an acceptable conclusion, feel free to try other forums for addressing user behavior. But you need to stop and think about the appearance of your current approach. The new editors who are asking for our help are instead treated to an unprofessional display of two editors bickering with one another. Please stop that and just bring up your concerns on my talk page. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 17:42, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

• Older and ... well older, I apologize if it seemed like I was second guessing your responses, that is not my intention at all. I am not sure what the previous times that I have done that were, but I'm guessing the reason you are here is due to my asking if you saw the hidden reference that the user had offered. I don't see them when I'm responding most of the time, and that makes me question if other people have seen them as well, especially when the URL looks like something that may be considered reliable. I use Jackmcbarn's Edit Protected Helper script, which means that I respond most of the time right from the action=view for the page instead of from the action=edit edit window. This is why I don't see hidden comments or things hidden in <ref>...</ref> tags. I've requested that the script scan the section for those and report on anything that may be hidden I can't see directly, and I've come to the conclusion that I'll have to make the changes myself and request the script be updated. I'll try to remember that if I have any questions for you, that I should go to your talk page to ask instead of pinging you to the discussion to ask. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, and again I apologize if I've offended you in any way. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 17:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the pleasant reply and I'm sorry for having misinterpreted the earlier events. At Talk:List_of_emoticons, I did go out to the link and it appeared to be a personal website, so I declined the request with an {{subst:ESp|rs}} plus a few words to that effect. If someone else had chosen to add the emoticon, it wouldn't have hurt the encyclopedia and the normal evolution would have either improved the source or removed the emoticon, so it's really no big deal. I'd just rather we give the impression that we are working as a team when we service requests. With that in mind, I'll improve my reply to you there. Regards, Older and ... well older (talk) 18:19, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

• Sure, no problem. I'm sure I'm fairly odd in my beliefs on what working as a team means. I believe it means that we should question each other when we are unclear on each others' meaning or if there is something that we see that the other may have overlooked. I believe it is good to not agree on everything each other does, and when that occurs, I believe that discussion and compromise to reach a consensus are paramount. Anyways. I'm glad you came here and we talked this out. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 18:30, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I've heard that description of a team. I like to think of it more like a baseball team, myself. Everyone is taking care of their own duties and trusting their teammates to be doing the same. Sometimes one sees that another player needs help and steps in, but nothing is as funny as seeing two outfielders run into each other and miss catching the ball. (Unless it is the sight of two outfielders stopping just next to each other while the ball drops between them.) As long as we both assume the other is doing their job correctly, there's nothing wrong with asking questions and making observations. Cheers, Older and ... well older (talk) 18:53, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Your draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/MWML

Hello Technical 13. It has been over six months since you last edited your WP:AFC draft article submission, entitled "MWML".

The page will shortly be deleted. If you plan on editing the page to address the issues raised when it was declined and resubmit it, simply and remove the {{db-afc}} or {{db-g13}} code. Please note that Articles for Creation is not for indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you want to retrieve it, copy this code: {{subst:Refund/G13|Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/MWML}}, paste it in the edit box at this link, click "Save page", and an administrator will in most cases undelete the submission.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 22:51, 10 June 2014 (UTC)