User talk:Bon courage

please cite from journals re K2

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not from woowoo — Preceding unsigned comment added by T12999 (talk • contribs) I cited and you have not, i also have changed what was not copyrighted in the first place. Please do not war or you will be banned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by T12999 (talk • contribs)

The question becomes: have you read the reliable sources page

@Alexbrn: The information your marking as poorly sourced is biographical. News articles are acceptable for this type of information in a medical article. "the high-quality popular press can be a good source for social, biographical, current-affairs, financial, and historical information in a medical article." So please self-revert as I do not want to start edit warring with you. If you want to clean up the information I would welcome that, but the fact that certain teams or players use yoga is not medical information and can, according to wiki policy, be used in this article. Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 05:48, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

I commented on the article Talk page. Whoever put this text in was very naughty. Alexbrn (talk) 06:18, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

To save face, I will blame your edit summary. But, yeah...you're right. It doesn't belong. Cheers. Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 06:44, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Alexbrn (talk) 07:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Functional Medicine

@Alexbrn: Why did you undo my neutral and source-based edit of Functional Medicine in its entirety without explanation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cawjac (talk • contribs)

Because it was blatant fringe POV-pushing, violating our need for neutrality. Please continue any discussion on the Functional medicine Talk page. Thanks, Alexbrn (talk) 12:56, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Alex, the comments were taken from a scientific journal and the journal was cited verbatim. It was both negative and positive. How is that pushing my point of view? The current description is inaccurate, functional medicine is not 'alternative medicine'. I don't feel that strongly about it to take the time to argue, however the current page is biased so I have reported it.Cawjac (talk) 13:11, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

This is really about content, so please continue on the FM Talk page. Alexbrn (talk) 20:02, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Zephrs?

I don't know if I'm dealing with Alexbrn or Zephr but the overly brief and meaningless comment of "poorly sourced" hardly applies to peer reviewed medical literature that I referenced. Edit what I did instead of reverting (censoring?) it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soaringbear (talk • contribs) 19:15, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, what's this about? Ah, this reversion was clearly by me, not Zefr (and not "Zephyr"), although as an editor who is familiar with policy I'm fairly sure Zefr would approve my edit. The issue here is that your source is not a WP:MEDRS; we need such sources for WP:BIOMEDICAL information. Alexbrn (talk) 19:57, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry. How is a pubmed article not a reliable source here? That seems like a preposterous statement. Especially when you defend a scientific american article as reliable to make an entire 'controversy' section for Dean Ornish.Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 00:04, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Please read WP:MEDRS (and maybe WP:WHYMEDRS for background). Most of the content "in" PUBMED is primary research, which is unreliable for asserting biomedical information on Wikipedia. Alexbrn (talk) 02:59, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry I mixed you up with another editor there for a moment. I've got my wiki goggles on. Although your opinion might be useful on the Dean Ornish talk page. I have some serious doubts about the controversy section in the article. Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 06:55, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, which article? In general, controversy sections are A Bad Thing. Alexbrn (talk) 06:58, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Exactly why I object to it. The article Dean Ornish has a controversy section based on one smear article in scientific american that is filled with flimsy strawman arguments. It gives the false impression that he is viewed as controversial, which he does not appear to be. And since when is any dietary advice not disputable regardless of who gives it? I wouldn't think one author disputing dietary advice is an adequate source for such a strong heading. But the editor I mistook for you (again, sorry) has been adamantly defending this little slice of negative POV. I would suggest the source is fringe, and the neutrality is thrown out the window. You'd also have a better eye for which studies belong in the article since I'm more of a yoga/hinduism editor than a medical editor. Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 08:09, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't think I've edited the Ornish article, but in my understanding he's (become) a WP:FRINGE figure pushing some odd beliefs. It's not so much a "controversy" as him just being at odds with science on some topics. Per our WP:PSCI policy this should be called out on Wikipedia and per WP:PARITY the sourcing can be quite relaxed. I think https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ has some stuff on him which may be useful. I may get a chance to take a look at the article sometime ... Alexbrn (talk) 08:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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Respect

Until yesterday I had some respect for you and your scholarship above many of the so called skeptical or pseudo skeptical editors. You attempted to bait and discredit in the cmts that I made, you attempted to twist everything I said and in effect created a dishonest picture of the discussion all of which was a surprise given my initial premise. And sure I kick myself for allowing my time to be wasted, as I initially assumed good faith and tried to clarify my very honest attempts to create a fair bit of content.(Littleolive oil (talk) 20:46, 11 December 2015 (UTC))

Wasted time? Well, you did come up with "Medical evidence is a phrase with no meaning". That's ... quite something. Alexbrn (talk) 21:01, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

The phrase was given clear meaning only because it was linked. In and of itself the phrase doesn't really mean anything, is obtuse. On the other hand the linked article does make sense. It would have been better and more succinct to use the exact language of the source even if quoted rather than the extra steps required to form a phrase created for our article which then links to something else- a better encyclopedic writing style. Just my opinion.(Littleolive oil (talk) 03:54, 12 December 2015 (UTC))

It is a phrase in wide use across the English-speaking world and is used by the best medical bodies in their medcomms material aimed at the general public[1][2] (i.e. the type of writing we should be trying to emulate). It is also of course widely used[3] and even particularly studied[4] in the professional medical literature. Bloggers blog about it too![5]

There are other phrases we could use: "medical research evidence" or even - yes - "scientific evidence" ... but to make a WP:WALL of complaint about this and to attack it as having "no meaning" and as a "critical" misrepresentation of a source is just ... bizarre. As you observe, the words were also even helpfully linked to evidence-based medicine so the scope for misunderstanding, even among the illiterate, should have been nil. Alexbrn (talk) 09:24, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

ALA and MDMA reversion

Can there be clarification on why the article at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10619665 was reverted? Research shows that ALA can prevent MDMA induced toxicity and is relevant to this article. All but one note under clinical research was also sourced from the same medical library I sourced and cite from. (Timbudtwo (talk) 19:19, 12 December 2015 (UTC))

Hi! That's a primary source is it not? We would need WP:MEDRS for such material ... Alexbrn (talk) 20:03, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

www.NutritionFacts.org

In the Swank diet article talk you said that www.nutritionfacts.org looks dodgy. I don't know. The site has a staff of twelve researchers who review about 6,000 papers annually. The articles and videos provide both reductionist and big picture information on the latest in nutrition science without having to read 6,000 articles a year oneself. The reviewers also read the sources of a paper being presented and also the papers that cite that paper to evaluate the legitimacy of the paper. Although it presents information from research papers, which do not qualify as a reliable source for Wikipedia medical articles, it also presents quotations from and references to literature reviews, systematic reviews in reliable, third-party, published secondary sources (such as reputable medical journals), recognized standard textbooks by experts in the relevant field, and medical guidelines and position statements from national or international expert bodies - all of which qualify as sources for Wikipedia medical articles. If you have the time, please watch some videos on the site and let me know what you think.David H. Barr (talk) 05:18, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

I browsed around a bit and stopped as soon as I saw the stuff about Turmeric treating cancer. In this country making those sorts of scientifically fraudulent claims (e.g. that the effect of consuming this spice can be "in effect reversing cancer progression") is a criminal offence - and rightly so too. It's quackery. Alexbrn (talk) 06:13, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

declaring COI in Anthroposophic medicine

Hi Alex, user Chickpecking has twice ignored my reminder to have him WP:DECLARE his COI on talk page Talk:Anthroposophic medicine. I thought it was a requirement? AadaamS (talk) 07:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

It's debatable whether the community would agree than an anthroposophic practitioner has a COI for anthroposophic medicine (although in my view they do). In my experience it's not productive to pursue potential COIs, as ultimately there is no way to resolve a problem by this route - it's simpler to focus on the basics of NPOV, sourcing etc. Alexbrn (talk) 08:10, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your response. AadaamS (talk) 08:26, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Knee-jerk reverting

Please try not to revert every change with lame justifications that refer to one small part of the modification. Modify what needs changing, keep what is valuable. If you can't find anything valuable in others' changes, perhaps review WP's style of editing. HGilbert (talk) 09:19, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Copyright violations in particular need fast reversion, and de-tangling would have been more time-consuming. If there's anything worthy to emerge from this it can emerge in time ... there's no hurry. Alexbrn (talk) 09:24, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

(Add) In fact I see you've done this kind of thing quite a lot. You need to be A LOT more careful about this. In general if you're linking a PDF from a journal (or something which replicates copyrighted text) be very sure that permission has been granted. There are many sites on the web offering dodgy copies. Generally the safest thing to do is to supply a DOI in the reference - this will get turned into a URL in a way which auto-finds the "official" version of an article. Be wary of other URLs. Alexbrn (talk) 09:35, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

I have frequently linked to what seem to be officially available copies of articles: on the author's website, or on other reputable websites, that I have reason to believe would not be making unauthorized copies available. I have never linked to dubious copies (e.g. through sites that purposely make copyrighted information available). As I said, there is no reason to doubt that this is an official copy. HGilbert (talk) 13:47, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Authors are among the worst offenders. Tell you what, why don't you email the permissions department at T&F and say, "you know that paper you want to charge £30 per view for? Well, I've found a copy of the same text on the web - is it okay if I make it freely available via Wikipedia rather than have our readers bother with your fee?". For added excitement you could try the same with the Elsevier paper you linked to. If we ever do get permission to redistribute such content, I believe the permission agreement needs to be lodged with the WMF.

I hope it goes without saying that in such matters one errs on the side of caution rather than "risking it". Alexbrn (talk) 13:56, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Apology and Request

Dear Alex, firstly, please accept my apology. I removed templates you placed on some of my articles, mistaking them for those placed by a BOT, after also misinterpreting what that BOT does and its instruction for ignoring it. This was not meant to be disrespectful or even directed towards you or any of your responses. If and when you have time, I wondered if you might help me interpret and respond appropriately to your assessment of two articles: 'Creative visualization' and 'Brainwave entrainment'. In the case of 'Creative visualization', after significant time spent on research - possibly way beyond that necessary for what was a several sentence article prior to my re-write, I faced a major problematic, in that the term is used in evidence-based disciplines adjuvant to medicine, such as cognitive approaches to psychology and psychotherapy, but also in fields based upon pseudoscience and the derivatives of New Thought, and New Age paradigms. The latter is particularly disturbing - by which I confess a bias - because there are some whose claims for it include the curing of cancer and the attainment of wealth. 'Creative visualization' is also used in design. I therefore split the subject into three: Creative visualization Creative visualization (New Age) Creative visualization (Design) In the light of the templates you placed on Creative Visualization, I have clearly not done a sufficiently good job, and I have no problem at all in accepting that, nor with working further with humility to improve it, based upon your assessment. If I do not do it, I believe, based on the length of time the previous article, or rather sentences, existed without editing, probably nobody will do it. And if not for the importance of the subject, which no doubt you will empathize as someone with a specific interest in sorting fact from fiction in relation to subjects such as cancer, I am sure you will agree. I have spent a long time going through the article today and I need your help in simply drilling down and identifying: 1. The sections you believe require more medical references. 2. The sections you believe rely too much on primary sources Then, if I am unable to find additional sources, I can pair the article down to include only those sections that do exhibit the aforementioned deficits. I have also looked carefully at the 'Brainwave entrainment' article and would very much appreciate the same input, though I do believe I might have a hunch, which perhaps you could refute or confirm. You have placed two templates. Regarding Fringe Theories, the only section I can identify that might be construed as 'Fringe' is the one entitled ' The rhythmic nature of human activity'. All the others are well established and seem sourced accordingly. If you disagree, could you please name the sections so I can either improve or remove them. Lastly, could you please identify the sections that require more 'medical references', so that I can also amend their deficits, removing them if no such sources exist for their claims. I can of course simply leave both articles, and if they were the subject of regular consistent editing by others I would. But having worked so hard on the two subjects I would like the self-satisfaction of knowing I have left them in an acceptable state of clarity and without unsupported claims, so that my responsibilities are fulfilled. I reiterate my apology by way of closure. Many thanks in advance. Prolumbo (talk) 15:55, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi there! I have over 600 articles on my watchlist and not the considerable time free it would require to fix Brainwave entrainment, but here are some general thoughts about what I'd do if I did have that time:

• Be particularly suspicious of WP:OVERCITED claims (like "There is significant evidence to show that such listening precipitates auditory driving by which ensembles of cortical neurons entrain their frequencies to that of the binaural beat, with associated changes in self-reported subjective experience of emotional and cognitive state.^{[57][58][59][60][61][62][63][64][65][66][67][68][69][70][71][72]}") – if something can't be plainly cited to one strong source and have WP:INTEGRITY it's usually a sign something's wrong. Remember we are meant to be a tertiary work summarizing accepted knowledge (generally found in secondary sources). We must not be a secondary work drawing conclusions from primary work. In the sentence just quoted, there should be a good secondary source to back up the claim.
• Remove any WP:BIOMEDICAL material not cited to WP:MEDRS
• Ensure any remaining material is sourced to good independent secondary sources, with primary sources just being used for filling-in detail.

You could always ask for further assistance/guidance at WP:FT/N. Good luck! Alexbrn (talk) 07:42, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Very helpful and supportive indeed. Many many thanks. Prolumbo (talk) 07:54, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

naturopathy edit you performed.

how was any of the truth i claimed "silly" that was your only response. are you as stupid as the admins who are against natural medicine? is that why you removed it without a valid reason good work there — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.23.43.212 (talk) 02:41, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Silybum marianum

Hi Alex, thanks for correcting my error - I thought Pubmed was an accepted source for reporting medical research. Is it acceptable to link to the same trial published in Clinical Nutrition, which I understand is a peer-reviewed and highly respected Elsevier journal? Clarella (talk) 13:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi there! - no, we need secondary sources not research articles for this kind of content. Please see WP:MEDRS (and maybe WP:WHYMEDRS for background). Alexbrn (talk) 13:41, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks.Clarella (talk) 14:10, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

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Wishing you a skeptical Xmas and an enlightened New Year! Alexbrn (talk) 14:55, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Probiotics

Hi Alexbrn,

I saw that you were one of the lead editors in the Probiotics section. Perhaps this article would be useful? Quite often these companies target consumers with deceptive ads.

Thank you.

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Mis-click

Thanks. I didn't know I'd done that. Should I explain what must have happened somewhere? (Fat paws on an iPad) Roxy the dog™ woof 14:54, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Let's just put it down to ... Xmas ;-) Alexbrn (talk) 15:38, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Edit War

Let me be very clear Alex, you cannot just simply revert my post and supply a non-substantive reason and expect me not to revert. I've supplied very detailed reasons in order to seek consensus yet your behavior is very similar to that of KingofFaces and Jps where you provide non-explanatory reasons mixed with insults for reverting my submission. I will assume in good faith that although your behavior is very similar to KoF and Jps, you aren't addressing this issue with them as a unified block. 16:48, 26 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vergilden (talk • contribs)

I gave my reasons; you've gone personal. You've reverted very many times to "your" version. Alexbrn (talk) 17:44, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Animal therapies

Alex, you can't just delete a bunch of sourced material and replace it with a mere meta-analysis of 14 poor studies and reach the conclusions you are reaching. Let's collaborate here and improve these articles, not treat them as a fringe theory to be debunked. Montanabw^(talk) 18:24, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

I think this is a case where extremely poor content needed to be rapidly excised. Replacing it with a strong RS led to an big overall improvement of the encyclopedia in my view. I strongly oppose including promotional content giving our readers bogus information about ineffective & expensive treatments (to "deal with" autism e.g.). The previous versions of these articles (which you are restoring to) is shocking, frankly. Alexbrn (talk) 18:30, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Some yes, but I have issues with you dismissing the entire concept wholesale as "bogus" and accusing me of edit-warring. This is a legitimate model, though some of the individual programs raise my eyebrows, too. Per BRD, we discuss. I don't have an issue with some of the material you removed (the promotional tone, the stuff on certification in the AAT article, for example) but where there is sourced content, we should leave it and discuss the sources. It is better to look for improving sources rather than trashing them; for example, many magazines or books actually do have underlying citations to scientific literature, they are worth finding. I am leaving town today for a day or so, but in the meantime, take a look at [6] and [7] Montanabw^(talk) 18:52, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

There is enough blame as to who is "edit warring" to go around, I'm sure. I am guilty, you are guilty, we all are guilty. Still, I find it rather objectionable, Montanabw, that you would continually replace content that is so clearly skewed towards sources which are not nearly as reliable as to the ones which Alexbrn is referring. Sometimes wholesale removal of poorly sourced material is the only recourse. It seems to me that this is exactly what is happening here. Your insistence that we cannot do this is very much reminiscent of your documented WP:OWN problems which are part of which sunk your last RfA, for example. jps (talk) 18:55, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, with this current episode in view, the very fact of a previous RfA attempt rather boggles the mind! Alexbrn (talk) 18:58, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

I suggest that you discuss the content and article and do not muddy discussion with references to an RfA. Such red herrings always suggest that real arguments are thin, while this not so subtle slap at an editor is pretty low.(Littleolive oil (talk) 03:50, 29 December 2015 (UTC))

This is a user talk page, so we are not constrained to discuss article content. I hope you'd agree that the WP:PAGs are as important as article content, and that in general admins (or would-be admins) need to be familiar with them. Alexbrn (talk) 07:06, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Shall we muddy the waters instead with the suggestion that you are a paid shill for MUM? jps (talk) 20:22, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Sure you can muddy the waters anyway you want to. Its still muddying the waters, its all red herrings, and I do get fed up with attacks on people whoever they are and especially excellent editors like Montana. I know what it feels like. And no I'm not paid by anyone to edit WP.(Littleolive oil (talk) 20:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC))

WP:CIV "Present coherent and concise arguments, and refrain from making personal attacks; encourage others to do the same." A discussion of content that veers off to an editor's failed RfA and uses that RfA to bolster a position in an argument is an incivility and undermines one of our behavioural policies. So yes, I clearly support our policies and guidelines when I call editors on behaviours that fall outside our civility guidelines. Further, a talk page does not provide immunity from compliance with our policies and guidelines. (Littleolive oil (talk) 17:53, 29 December 2015 (UTC))

Olive, you've got it the wrong way round. The RfA does not bolster any argument about the current article issues; the current article issues (retrospectively) inform the circumstances of the RfA. I repeat, that an editor who seems to lack a basic understanding of our neutrality and sourcing policies underwent (and was somewhat well-supported) in an RfA boggles the mind. If you think my saying so violates a policy take it to a drama board. (I'd also add that your grasp of policy seems a bit shaky - or selective; to quote from WP:CIV: "an editor's talk page is more like their kitchen; it's more informal, and (within reason) it's up to them what happens in there".) Alexbrn (talk) 17:59, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Alex, please remember both CIVIL and AGF. For you to come into an article and immediately dismiss its contents as "bogus pseudoscience" is not terribly helpful. It is far more appropriate to make specific, cogent arguments rather than attacking individual. And yes, I will be trying again for an RfA next spring and you are welcome to !oppose me again. Now let's move on. The bottom line is that you derailed a sincere attempt to actually improve an article by inserting your own POV into it. Given that there are respected programs that have been around for decades, you need to look at the topic with a more neutral eye. Montanabw^(talk) 22:53, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

WP:RS says equine-related therapy is pseudoscience; "bogus" is my word, drawing on that RS. There's an industry out there selling this expensive stuff (mainly to parents of children with difficulties it seems) and there is no good evidence supporting it. Wikipedia was giving the opposite message (buy this stuff to "deal with" your child's autism e.g.). You say I "immediately" dismissed this stuff, but this is wrong: the dismissal comes from looking at RS. I have not inserted my "own POV", but material from good secondary sources -- the first that have ever been used in this article. Your implication that this not neutral is completely, 180° wrong. Alexbrn (talk) 23:08, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I already agreed that some of the phrasing was problematic and the sources needed improvement. My concern is when you use a word like "bogus," you are clearly inserting your own POV. But see below. Montanabw^(talk) 00:06, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

No, bogus may be my word, but it's not "my" POV (or at least not original POV), it comes from reading the secondary literature on equine therapies which find it makes sweeping claims and is expensive, but doesn't work. That means it is bogus. As the same literature also points out, selling this stuff is ethically problematic. I hope all editors respect the views as expressed in RS, and work to make these articles express them: that will give us the NPOV that is badly needed. Alexbrn (talk) 05:54, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

For the multiple articles we are discussing, I found this, which I think may meet everyone's need for NPOV and analysis... they provide the research and the summary. We can't copypaste, obviously, and it doesn't cover everything, but it seems to be the most comprehensive review I've seen. I can live with its conclusions (beats "bogus pseudoscience" which one person called it) Montanabw^(talk) 00:06, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Please see WP:MEDRS: communications from insurance companies are not reliable sources for biomedical content. Since we (now) have high-quality academic secondary sources there's no need to reach for junky ones. 00:12, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

You didn't even read it, the link has an article that cites at least eight studies and offers a brief summary of each of them. It's useful research already done for us and if you don't want to agree with their conclusions, the studies themselves have full citations so you can review them for yourself. Montanabw^(talk) 05:04, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

You didn't even read it ← what are you trying to achieve by writing that? As a matter of fact I did, and it's not a useful source. Why not use decent sources? We're beginning to get a reasonable number of them now. Alexbrn (talk) 05:11, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

You appear to not have read to the bottom or you would have seen the source material, which is the stuff worth looking at. Montanabw^(talk) 05:21, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it references some good secondary sources (which are usable), but it is not a source we can use itself because it fails WP:MEDRS. And you're edit-warring it in now to imply hippotherapy can treat a huge range of conditions. Naughty. Alexbrn (talk) 05:30, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

No, I am not edit-warring, as I keep trying for a workable rephrasing that is truly POV. (Keep in mind that your reverts, restoring your own edits, were complete with the same typo...which seems a bit knee-jerk to me) and do lay off the threats, they are not needed; I am trying to work in good faith with you here (and on about four other pages, it's getting difficult to track all these conversations.) The hippotherapy article itself says speech/occupational therapy and mental health. The Aetna piece references physical therapies of various sorts. Frankly, I would be OK if we un-redirected Equine-assisted therapy and merged the hippotherapy article into that title, making it an overview. But you need to lay off of the "no good evidence" phrasing (which I see you are also using on a number of other non-animal articles I have nothing to do with), it's SYNTH and it's editorializing. Just let the studies speak for themselves. Montanabw^(talk) 05:44, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

You are repeatedly reverting to your preferred text, which is edit warring. In this case, it is to insert this insurance source which is not WP:MEDRS as has been pointed-out. What is more you are misrepresenting the source by taking investigational work and smudging it to be "treatment". And saying "treatment" in lay language implies some degree of efficacy, so it is not honest & neutral either. In almost every way, this is bad behaviour giving us bad content. (BTW, "no good evidence" is often a good lay-language paraphrase of findings in EBM. This has been discussed at WT:MED quite recently, and you can always get assistance there for this sort of wording query.) Alexbrn (talk) 05:48, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Here: I have been trying to take time out from arguing to actually look up some more material and found this: [8] A literature review of 47 articles and if this isn't comprehensive, then I invite you to dig on your own. I also finally obtained a full text of the Anestis study and what struck me is that several of the 14 studies they looked at were the EAGALA model, which I personally find to be problematic. Even so, even Anestis stated, "we believe that research concerning ERT and other experimental treatment modalities should continue. At the same time, the quality of that research needs to improve..." They clearly are taking a very conservative approach, but I would not read their conclusions to say that Equine therapies are "bogus pseudoscience" -- their conclusion was that the 14 studies they looked at basically sucked in terms of various design elements. Montanabw^(talk) 06:35, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Where does the phrase you quote ("bogus pseudoscience") appear? Nowhere. The two words are explained above. Thank you for looking for good sources; the Lentini paper probably isn't a good one: it's does not appear to be indexed by MEDLINE (or included even in PUBMED) and the Journal of Creativity in Mental Health has an impact factor of zero. We do not need to use questionable sources when very good ones (like Anestis) are available. The Anestis paper does a lot more than criticize study design, it recommends avoiding these therapies - which is quite unusual, as is electing to use a keyword of "pseudoscience" for the paper. Alexbrn (talk) 06:49, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

You admitted that you called equine and animal therapies "bogus" above ("bogus information") and you tagged some of them with "pseudoscience" links. If you do not consider equine therapies to be "bogus pseudoscience," then I shall clarify. Montanabw^(talk) 07:30, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Right so it's not a quotation from anywhere. To be pedantic, it's not bogus pseudoscience, it's genuine pseudoscience (at least that's how our RS categorizes it). It's bogus because it makes claims that aren't evidenced (and makes a lot of money, incidentally, which probably makes it worse than just bogus). Note I am not suggesting using the word "bogus" in the article, but it's fine for my user talk page ... Alexbrn (talk) 07:38, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

OK, so I did combine two different statements without meaning to, and thus and I misstated this as a direct quote when it was actually a paraphrase. That was my error. Fair enough. So am I clear that you view all animal therapies as "bogus"? If so, I must point out that "bogus" is an imprecise and rather insulting word that merely expresses your opinion, and also shuts down both debate and collaboration. As for "pseudoscience," that is also merely your opinion. Do show me a RS that o dscribes all animal therapies as "pseudoscience" please ... we have some wikipedia editors who even classify psychology as "pseudoscience" -- are you one of them? Montanabw^(talk) 04:42, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

As for the rest, there IS evidence, certainly evidence that could be presented in a court of law, but its quality as scientific evidence is weak (not non-existent) and more study is needed -- even the critics agree on that. The critics also agree that it does no harm, unlike a great deal of true pseudoscience (such as laetrile, for example). As for "makes a lot of money," that only exposes your lack of understanding of the field. Gross income or per-session cost may look pricy, perhaps, but in net income, not at all; do you have any notion of how much it costs to keep a horse? (national average in the USA is $2000 a year for minimum care) Also, the standardization of protocols now generally require two professionals in a session; the mental health counselor (to focus on the client) and the equine specialist (for safety and management of the animal) I am only familiar with a few equine therapy programs firsthand, but none of them are flush, they are always begging for donations, in part because many horses suitable for these therapies are elderly ones, with concomitant health expenses related to extra care for digestion issues, arthritis and dental issues that are quite common in older equines. No, I am sorry, but your bias is really quite significant. Montanabw;;;^(talk) 04:42, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

So am I clear that you view all animal therapies as "bogus"? ← "all" is your word. I have concerns about bogus information and bogus claims for these therapies being promoted by Wikipedia (particularly about "dealing with autism" etc.), I I have concerns about you reverting to them. "Pseudoscience" is actually a keyword for Anestis's article, which gives us an RS basis to use the term. I think any "bias" here is evident in your not noticing things I write (or which appear in RS) which don't conform with a certain world-view. What we need to be doing here is reflecting what the best sources say: it's really very simple. Alexbrn (talk) 06:49, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

That's why I asked; but you did not answer. DO you view ALL animal therapies as "bogus?" IF your answer is not "yes," then it will benefit a collaborative atmosphere if you explain where you actually sit on the issue. I mean that sincerely. And, for my benefit, where is this word "pseudoscience" used in Anestis's article? Can you link to this? I am rather concerned that your "concerns about bogus information" lead to its own form of POV-pushing, as evidenced by your penchant to add the phrase "no good evidence" across multiple articles on multiple topics and then rather harshly shut down debate with anyone who argues with you (though admittedly in some cases I agree with you). It's one thing to take that approach where we are dealing with a brand new sockpuppet of Wiki-PR or some breathless groupie of Bigfoot or young earth creationim, where the sooner an endless nonsense debate is shut down the better per WP:DFTT. But here, we are both well-established editors who know the rules and simply have a difference of opinion. I'd like us both to shut down the snark and see if we can get to a middle ground. To that end, I actually kept most of your edits at Hippotherapy but restored some of what you removed. (I do tend to revert and re-add as an editing style) Montanabw^(talk) 20:26, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't have a view, it doesn't interest me. I just want to be informed on what the view "out there" is. As I said "pseudoscience" is one of the keywords of Anestis's article - it's there on the page. I'm sorry, but I don't agree that you know the "rules" very well - you argued for primary sources for health information for example, and are still pushing Lentini as a viable source. Reverting and re-adding as an "editing style" is also not really great behaviour (it has wasted my time), neither is edit-warring your fanciful thoughts about hippotherapy not being used for mental health treatment, into the lede of the article. Alexbrn (talk) 20:35, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

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Ironic. -Roxy the dog™ woof 09:25, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

THERE IS NO ESCAPE! Alexbrn (talk) 15:42, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

December 2015

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to Wikipedia. However, please remember that editors do not own articles and should respect the work of their fellow contributors. If you create or edit an article, remember that others are free to change its content. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. "no good evidence" is not professional writing and is too conclusory a statement for these articles. I suggest that you come up with something less inflammatory Montanabw^(talk) 07:30, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, I wasn't the one who went travelling and said other editors should stop editing until I returned! Alexbrn (talk) 07:31, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

2016

	Happy New Year 2016!
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Who are you to threaten me?

You place OPINION on pages, and then get pissy when they are changed? Not going to tolerate that.

Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_(medicine)

Dear Alexbrn, These changes are not correct, according to Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_(medicine) "Another useful grouping of core medical journals is the 2003 Brandon/Hill list, which includes 141 publications selected for a small medical library[Hill DR, Stickell H, Crow SJ (2003). "Brandon/Hill selected list of print books for the small medical library" (PDF). Mt. Sinai School of Medicine. Archived from the original on June 15, 2011. Retrieved 2008-09-16.] (although this list is no longer maintained, the listed journals are of high quality)" and please come to the talk page before editing, best regards - Jdontfight (talk) 17:45, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't see how that is relevant to the edit in question. Please discuss content issues at the article Talk page, and note that demanding editors discuss with you before they interfere with your text is a kind of WP:OWNBEHAVIOR which is frowned on. Alexbrn (talk) 18:22, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

I asked for Dispute resolution [9] best regards Jdontfight (talk) 21:31, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

I declined it; there is unfinished business on the article Talk page. Alexbrn (talk) 21:33, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Pilates health benefits?

Even a cursory glance at the scientific research on Pilates shows that the statement "There is no good medical evidence that Pilates confers any health benefits" is clearly untrue, not to mention the basic commonsense fact that all forms of exercise confer health benefits.

Even if it weren't flagrantly false, however, this preposterous statement would not belong in the introduction to the article. It's simply not the place for it. Your edits are ideologically driven, and they are objectively false. Revert again and I will get an admin involved.

A basic scan of the peer reviewed literature shows that Pilates provides health benefits. Here are some examples. You did not read (or understand) the reference you cited. You have a responsibility to remove your false statements from this page http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26473443 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26578458 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26435334 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26004043 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22397236 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.43.122.39 (talk • contribs)

Hello there! Please discuss matters of article content on that article's Talk page, but before doing so please also read WP:MEDRS. Peer-review alone is no guarantee of reliability for this kind of content. Alexbrn (talk) 06:34, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Alexbrn, the study you linked is not even close to being scientifically rigorous. The peer-reviewed studies I showed are, and I could have shown you dozens more like them.

And your writing is seriously terrible-- I mean it, it's just off-base and embarrassingly amateurish. You are not qualified to interpret data for the public. Please stop editing wikipedia pages — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.43.122.39 (talk • contribs)

Hello again! If it's not clear from WP:MEDRS why we don't use primary source, you may find that WP:WHYMEDRS gives an easier-to-understand explanation. Alexbrn (talk) 07:49, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

UPDATE 05/04/2016. Alexbrn, I totally agree with the above contributor whose points are absolutely valid against your edits and censorship of our voice. I can only conclude you qualify as a biased editor, who seems to have a specific view of certain areas in the health industry, and to ensure they spread across the globe, you use the tactic of reverting perfectly justified edits that could go against your interests, and in doing so you give no coherent, reasonable justification. As such , the article gets endlessly stuck in your definition of how it should be. Several valued contributors to the Pilates page are trying to clean the articles every now and then from content unrelated to the Pilates discipline, normally written with malice and quoting dubious sources. You are not even allowing correction of grammar or restructuring of certain sections, or removal of duplicate content. What is this about? I am afraid I have enough evidence and will have to take it further with the administrator team if you don't come to reason and stop reverting justified edits.

Wikipedia reflects accepted knowledge from reliable sources. Unfortunately, that doesn't look good from the perspective of the Pilates business. Alexbrn (talk) 17:47, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

@Alexbrn I wish someone in Wikipedia administrative team could see your replies do not make sense. You keep writing true statements that are not connected to the topic. It is an evasive technique old as sugar, but I know Wikipedia Administrators will spot what you have been doing. You also do edits and reversions quoting and linking Wikipedia's guidelines usually used in medicine and medical research to justify your edits, and you extend that criteria to whatever you want, in this case, Pilates. Health topics and health industry is not the same as medicine and alternative medicine.

To raise such concerns use WP:AIN. Please do not post here againn. Alexbrn (talk) 16:50, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Welsbech gases US pat 5003186

Good day. I think the Patent is very significant to the topic of chemtrails. Its a patent describing the method and chemicals involved. How can it be that it is irreleveant ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Dark gungal (talk • contribs)

Hi there! Because it has no connection to the chemtrail conspiracy theory. You need to produce a reliable source making such a connection. Please make any further comment on this topic on the article's Talk page. Thaks, Alexbrn (talk) 21:47, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

KE Diet

Hello. I'm a new Wikipedian and ask for help in bringing attention a scientific article that supports a basis for using a ketogenic feeding tube diet in medically supervised weight loss. This is the link to the peer-reviewed medical article: http://medcraveonline.com/AOWMC/AOWMC-01-00005.php . Thank you.

Hi! It's primary research and therefore not considered a reliable source here for claims about efficacy. Please see WP:MEDRS and maybe WP:WHYMEDRS for background. Alexbrn (talk) 18:32, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Family Constellations

I think you missed a FRINGE edit marked as minor. Have undone it. Pinkbeast (talk) 18:21, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Super, thanks. Bit of a full-time job, this ... Alexbrn (talk) 18:25, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Alex, I will get back to yo in a few days to sort ot Family Constellation text. Best regards, Robert — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.14.185.48 (talk) 13:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Better here

I found this to be a "problematic" comment. Your accusations of edit-warring and POV-pushing are getting quite tedious, given that you have a problem not seeing the log in your own eye. I am going to graciously suggest that you assume a little more good faith on my part; I have no idea what your background is with animals or animal therapies (do you own a pet?), but I can assure you that while even I find many animal theapies to be on the flakey side, there are also some very promising findings. The trick is looking objectively at the positive as well as the negative and teasing out the stands of each. If you are on a campaign to debunk all animal therapies as pseudoscience or somehow "bogus", that is as surely an extreme position as those who believe in miracle cures. I hope that is not your position. Montanabw^(talk) 20:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't think personalising is helpful. I am on no campaign, and I have no pre-conceived view as you appear to. I simply want to represent the best sources accurately, no matter whether they come out "positive", "negative" or somewhere in-between. I don't see Equine-therapy as needing any different treatment than any of the other hundred of mainstream and altmed therapies on my watchlist. You don't appear to get what makes a good source, and you don't appear to be able to comprehend and summarise the sources we do have faithfully, but are very aggressive in inserting your preferred text - sorry, but WP:CIR. Alexbrn (talk) 20:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

That is where we disagree; you ARE personalizing ("don't appear to be able to comprehend" - wow, that's a wee bit condescending). You perhaps genuinely think you are being neutral, but in reality you are ignoring anything that disagrees with your POV and attacking the person. You are not a person with a doctorate in science, neither am I (our educational levels are roughly equivalent, based upon your userboxen and mine). We simply have a disagreement on the weight and interpretation of the evidence. Equine therapies are not well-studied and I think it's fine to make a case in the article for the strengths and weaknesses of the three existing meta-analyses. But making a lot of "you" statements and assuming that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid is merely WP:BAITing and bullying. I am trying to separate your behavior from the article discussion, and your behavior is quite incivil and not assuming good faith. Montanabw^(talk) 19:32, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

It seems really clear to me. I believe this: Your personal beliefs are of no consequence, and in fact WP:MEDRS explicitly says that personal objections count for nothing - so arguments based on "I believe" are a non-starter is WP:BAITing and bullying. I believe it's nasty. If I were tell you that your personal beliefs are of no consequence, and in fact WP:MEDRS explicitly says that personal objections count for nothing - so arguments based on "I believe" are a non-starter, that'd be OK? If I were tell you you are of no consequence and count for nothing? That's how your choice of language comes across. You've never started a sentence with "I believe"? And I believe I've not looked at anything beyond the linked to edit, so I take no stand on whether there's evidence for the rest of the objected-to comment. I believe it's generally fine for me, Montanabw, anyone to start sentences with "I believe," as I've done often in this comment. Please try to disagree without being disagreeable. I don't think you lose anything by apologizing for the nasty language. It would put you on moral high ground, and be very civil. --Elvey^(t•c) 15:34, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Please don't post to this talk page again. Alexbrn (talk) 15:38, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

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Letting you know

I want to make sure that you are aware of User:Elvey/sandbox/User talk:Alexbrn, for obvious reasons. Please let me know if you would like me to put it up for deletion. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Tryptofish, I'm not even sure what Elvey is trying to accomplish there - probably yet more WP:NOTHERE of some kind. Alexbrn (talk) 08:48, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

All you need to do is read or AGF. (hist) From the edit summary: "How did https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alexbrn&diff=prev&oldid=677215214 happen? ... a signature non-expansion glitch." Obviously, I was investigating the signature non-expansion glitch. How is there any ambiguity? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Elvey/sandbox/User_talk:Alexbrn&diff=prev&oldid=700720355 shows this (archived at https://archiveDOTis/RMZSc). It added this" Aha, the cause was this edit which had a missing '>' closing a ref tag." Speedied. --Elvey^(t•c) 15:10, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Whatever else, the page has been deleted at Elvey's own request, so thank you for that. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:46, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Effects of pornography

Alexbrn, if you have the time, the Effects of pornography (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article could really use a medical editor like you, Anthonyhcole, Yobol or Jytdog helping out with it and watching it. It's a contentious topic with POV-pushing going on at the article (from both sides) from time to time, and it's prone to poor sources. While it's not a well-researched topic, and, as I noted at the article talk page, can be subject to the "and may need to be relaxed in areas where little progress is being made or where few reviews are published" aspect of WP:MEDDATE, it can also do better when it comes to sourcing. I've tried to get WP:Med to help with the article...but to no avail. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:20, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks - I've watchlisted it, but am a bit short of time for WP just now ... Alexbrn (talk) 10:51, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for helping. As you may have seen, Jytdog has stepped up to do the heavy duty editing there. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 11:38, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

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Stupid spammer is stupid

Johntucker28 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - life is so much simpler when people are too dim to even try to cover their tracks :-) Guy (Help!) 12:35, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Ha! - there's a lot of it about at the moment. Alexbrn (talk) 13:15, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

life is not so simple that you are assumed because some time people take time to be sure of their action, and calling some one stupid doesn't make you an intelligent, it only show that an idiot is responding, anyway i don;t waste time on idiots.

Biofield treatment is also an alternative treatment just like Massage therapy, Acupuncture , Music therapy as it is already mention in Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_medicine the link http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12529-009-9062-4 is cite with keyword "biofield energy healing" the link which i had mentioned you have not seen the data, the data has been tested and scientifically approved, go through it and read the data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johntucker28 (talk • contribs) 06:36, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Family Constellations

Hello Alexbrn,

Please note some of the opinions on the page were unsupported hearsay. Some links were dead and needed to be updated. So why not stick with a neutral unbiased version? Anupapa (talk) 17:41, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Please discuss article content at the article's Talk page. In general, a dead link does not mean a source is to be removed. Also be aware of WP:EW. Alexbrn (talk) 17:42, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Please don't make threats for daring to voice honest (and evidence-based) views that contradict yours

Your calling my edits on the Roswell page "disruptive editing" with threat to block strikes me as extremely ironic. My edit did not add "commentary and your personal analysis", it was an attempt to add the very balance and NPOV that was conspicuously absent - as I stated very clearly in my edit summary, and as abundantly attested on the discussion page by several individuals. Dismissing any contrarian perspective as ipso facto "fringe" is in my view intellectually dishonest. To call the military that led the US into war in Iraq on the basis of positive WMD's definitively "credible," with not even mention of the alternative perspective and history in the lead, as the current version does, is comical, and there is abundant substantive evidence favoring the alternative sources by substantive researchers, for which I have finite time. You don't have to agree with me, - but to instantly shoot down anything violating your dogmatic perspective is in my view exactly the same kind of fundamentalist-like arrogance that chained Copernicanism centuries ago. Negative barnstar for that. Recognizing even the mere existence of alternative beliefs which ARE well known and which DO have strong evidence in their favor is exactly what NPOV is all about in the first place. Would it really need threatening you in turn with decertification for abuse of editorial powers to make you step back and weigh the possibility that others not only might mean well but could even be right? I'd love to think not. Both the dogmaticism and the certitude you evidenced are fatally hurting WP, and are anathema to what it is really about. And looking at your talk page here, it appears I am not alone in this observation  :-( Chris Rodgers (talk) 11:55, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello! Please discuss the content of the Roswell article at its Talk page. If you check the archives there you'll see this kind of thing has been discussed at length in the past. Alexbrn (talk) 11:57, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) "decertification". oh dear. Jytdog (talk) 17:11, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

You don't have to be certified to edit here, but it helps ... Alexbrn (talk) 05:45, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Naprapathic medicine

Why have you been linking the Naprapath page to the Chiropractic page? They are completely different fields and you are providing misleading information to anyone curious about Naprapathy. Why would you be doing this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebeck999 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Please see the discussion at Talk:Naprapathy. Alexbrn (talk) 17:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Bioavailable Glutathione

Dear Alexbrn, I noticed that you deleted the page "bioavailale glutathione" that I published on Wikipedia on the 13 January 2016. I would appreciate to know the reasons behind your decision, so that I can work on my publication in order to improve it and publish it again. Thanks for your collaboration Kind regards,

ViolaC16 (talk)15 February 2016 (UTC)

Please see the discussion at WP:FT/N. Please also be aware of WP:COI, if it applies. Alexbrn (talk) 11:00, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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Youth Time page

Hello Alexbrn, I would appreciate if you stop taking away the content and replacing it with irrelevant information such as linking two public figures together and to the organization for no apparent reason. Can we agree to leave the page as it is now, i.e. unbiased introduction, logo and organization's manifesto. I strongly disagree that publishing organization's manifesto constitutes self-promotion. It is a relevant information, and ultimately it is for a reader to interpret it, not a single abusive editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Programsyt (talk • contribs) 08:57, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Please see WP:5P for our core policies. Unsourced and self-sourced promotional text is not wanted. Also, assuming the "yt" in your user name stands for Youth Time please see WP:COI. Any further discussion of the article's content should take place on the article's Talk page. Thanks, Alexbrn (talk) 09:44, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Please, instead of undoing my changes, provide some relevant information. I agree some of my changes violate wiki policy (which i promise to familiarize myself with more closely follow in the future), however you just remove content completely, without providing any reasonable alternative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Programsyt (talk • contribs) 12:53, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Edit Warring Warning

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Feldenkrais Method. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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IMO, your initial reversion assumed personal authority w/ no hint of citing a ref, or anything else. That's why it was reverted. Thanks for the latest "Alexander" edit: I'm going to replicate it @ "Feldenkreis." Regards Tapered (talk) 10:02, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Please continue discussion about article content at the articles' talk page. Thanks, Alexbrn (talk) 10:45, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

I've added another point to the Talk: Feldenkrais Method linguistic discussion. Tapered (talk) 02:39, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Yoga

Hi, can You tell me please, why did You delete the subsection with Jiří Vacek from the article Yoga? I do not want to do something bad there, I would like to make the site better... — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueKarel (talk • contribs) 15:00, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi! It seems undue, particularly since there were no secondary sources to lend WP:WEIGHT to the inclusion. Please continue discussion of the article content at its Talk page - Thanks, Alexbrn (talk) 15:11, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

What are the secondary sources please? What should I exactly do to be allowed to write that link to this page? I believe, it is very important to link these pages together because of better orientation of others in this topic. Thanks. --BlueKarel (talk) 18:05, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

See WP:SECONDARY. We really need good secondary (and also WP:INDEPENDENT) sources to know Vacek is truly noteworthy. Alexbrn (talk) 19:17, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I would be very glad, if I can link Jiří Vacek with this page. Jiří Vacek is well-known in our country and abroad. He wrote over 100 own works and acts as a spiritual teacher over 50 years. Some authors lean on his teaching, see please for example the encyclopedia book of Josef Sanitrák Dějiny české mystiky 1-3 díl (History of Czech Mysticism, Part 1-3) as a reference on the wikipedia page of Jiří Vacek. Are eventually these references on the page Yoga sufficient for You? Thanks--BlueKarel (talk) 12:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Please discuss this at the article Talk page. To make a case, I think you would need a good book on Yoga which specifically dealt with the importance of Vacek to this discipline. I do not believe he is important to Yoga considered generally, so such a source would convince me otherwise. Alexbrn (talk) 12:58, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

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Well that took a shorter than expected time...

...before the 'there is no consensus' turned up. I dont think it is as bad as homeopathy though as that has multiple separate and distinct eternal discussions. Paleo only has one or two. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:19, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Scientists open letter on Cryonics

Hello, I see that you just reverted to remove the Scientists Open Letter on Cryonics from the "Cryonics" page. Most people (statistically likely to include you), are not familiar with cryonics, or the specific premises on which the possibility of cryonic resuscitation is based. I don't expect anyone else to think that cryonics itself is reputable or that the possibility of resuscitation for cryonics patients is likely (or possible). However, I do respectfully request that you follow your own policies, and allow the point of view of respected cryonicists to be represented on a page that is... Well... about cryonics. The point of view you deleted is not only held by those 69 scientists, but it is also (probably the only) common belief held by the cryonics community as a whole. In other words, you would be hard-pressed to find a single person who calls themselves a "cryonicist" who does not agree with the contents of that open letter. (I know at least a few hundred of these people personally.)

The "status quo" of the page is that it has many negative comments about cryonics from single individuals. The open letter which you just reverted, contains the positive opinion of 69 respected scientists who work in cryonics related fields, almost every one of those scientists has a PhD in a related science discipline. You typed the word "silly" in your edit comment, but is it silly to include the point of view of the cryonicists which the article is written about?

As I stated, I don't expect you to agree with cryonicists, but I do ask you to allow the opinion this group of scientists to be represented. Their viewpoint meets all NPOV and RS rules. It is certainly a minority point of view (as is cryonics as a whole), but according to NPOV, (all) published minority points of view related to a topic are supposed to be described in the topic. It easily meets the RS citation criteria, as the open letter has been referenced by the National Institute of Health, a few printed books, and numerous news organizations.

Thank you, -- Nome77 (talk) 13:10, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Please discuss the article's content on its Talk page. Like others, I don't agree this poorly-sourced content is wanted. If it has been referenced by true RS, you need to provide that. Alexbrn (talk) 14:23, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

The National Institute of Health referenced the open letter, in a news brief. That's probably the most reputable link of the many that I listed in the talk page. National Institute of Health (NIH), News Briefs, "Deep freeze Down Under": http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3414624/ Is this a true RS? I'm not sure how much more reliable you get than the NIH. Is there something I am missing? I read the RS page.

Two regular editors think the content should be included (me and "Cryobiologist"). Only one regular (not admin) editor has stated that they are against it (David Gerard). I've discussed the content on the talk page much, I'm talking to you because of your administrative revert decision. -- Nome77 (talk) 14:35, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

No, it's just press release churn. But as I say, this discussion should be on the article Talk page - I won't respond here further on article content. Alexbrn (talk) 14:42, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Fire needle acupuncture

This had passed AfD I will be expanding it shortly. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 14:53, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

It surprises me it did, I think a wider consensus may be helpful - but I'll watch the article to see if evidence of notability emerges, thanks! Alexbrn (talk) 15:10, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

In the light of this odd decision, would either of you wonderful editors help me write The Whiskey Cancer Cure -Roxy the dog™ woof 15:51, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I think you'd face strong opposition from the Whisky Cancer Cure adherents ;-) Alexbrn (talk) 15:55, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Hey Koren Specific Technique I reverted you edit here, I am look for page protection. This is notable quackery, if you looked at the history you will see User:Teddkoren has edited the article. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 02:25, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Started discussion here. It important to note that even the chiropractic community has not accepted this technique so a redirect may be improper. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 02:49, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

@QuackGuru:, Also just curious I assume you have a science background, if that is the case why would you not want this article in this current neutral state (I know you were looking at a vandalized version by Tedd Koren's edits)? If we present what the quack claims and then present the actual scientific views which is that is this nothing more than quackery and its creator being under repeated investigation, then the causal viewer well understand the dubious nature of this "technique". Valoem ^{talk contrib} 03:09, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

What's wrong with this source? I notice you removed that one. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 19:16, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Biodynamic Agriculture

Hi there-

I am wondering why all of my edits to the biodynamic agriculture page were rejected? The citations, especially for the effectiveness section, were very strong and that was hours of work on my part (for a class assignment at my university). If there is something else I should do to get my edits accepted to the page, please let me know.

Thank you, Samantha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snl223 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi there! Wikipedia material needs to be based on high-quality sources. For this topic we'd ideally be looking at independent academic reference works and secondary material. Your edits were largely based on web sites and primary research - and a lot of it was not referenced at all. Please continue any further discussion on the Biodynamic Agriculture Talk page. Thanks, Alexbrn (talk) 21:35, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Koren Specific Technique

We can discuss the sources after AfD, I believe those are reliable and secondary. Removing sources mid AfD, may cause bias. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 17:34, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

And adding them won't? Alexbrn (talk) 17:36, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Sources are used to determine notable. The nomination alone is saying those sources are not valid, if consensus agrees the article will be delete. However, if other editors believe the sources are valid then the article would be kept. Removing those sources does not allow editors to neutrally judge the article. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 17:45, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, good sources in the world at large that may be used. The current state of the article not relevant. Loading it up with bilge is in no way helpful. Alexbrn (talk) 18:54, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Collaborating on the Biodyamic Agriculture page

Thank you for the information you provided. Would you be able to more clearly direct me on how to collaborate with the page's authors in order to get my revisions accepted? I have started in the sandbox but am not sure how to go from there.

Snl223 (talk) 20:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)Samantha, Masters Candidate, NYU Alternative Agriculture and Food Systems

The page doesn't have authors as such - Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. For revisions to be accepted they have to be in line with the WP:PAGs and note that for this topic WP:FRINGE also applies. The article already has some good sources: academic reference works and secondary journal literature: more of this would be good. Alexbrn (talk) 20:52, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Honey

Hey Alexbrn, you reverted my edits on the Honey article. Let's talk about it on Talk:Honey. Fnordware (talk) 22:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

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Need some coaching help

Hello, I'm new at attempting to contribute here, and I just posted a paragraph you said was irrelevant. I thought my gov. document source applied to medical use of cannabidiol and cannabinoids. Please help! Thank you. Listenforgood (talk) 17:32, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

It did, but wasn't really relevant to Charlotte's Web. It didn't really sum up accepted knowledge in this area well either: our current Medical Cannabis article does a better job at that. Alexbrn (talk) 17:34, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Medical uses/Evidence text states, "There is little evidence about the safety or efficacy of cannabinoids in the treatment of epilepsy.[7][10]"

Just because CW Botanicals (and CNN/NBC etc.) doesn't publicize benefits of CBD other than treating epilepsy doesn't mean other clinical evidence about cannabidiol isn't relevant. Reviews discuss a wide range of effective properties of CBD. Leaving out information about CBD research does a disservice to the reader. My mother uses CW for pain relief, I use it as an antidepressant, and another family member uses it for psychological mood stabilization. We're real users. Don't censor real benefits.

Would you help me understand how to contribute proper clinical sources about cannabinoids that will be properly relevant. Thank you! Listenforgood (talk) 08:05, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I understand your frustration Listenforgood, but unfortunatly you haven't understood how wikipedia works yet. You say above "dont censor real benefits" and yet you haven't described any real benefits in wikipedia editing policy terms. I have a similar issue with my whisky cure for cancer, and I too am a real user of whisky, (and I'm certain it put my illness into remission). As in your example of real people using real things to help them, wikipedia needs real evidence according to policy in order to say such things. Testimony such as mine and yours isn't reliable enough. To call it "censoring" is to do wikipedia and Alex a disservice. I hope Alex doesn't mind my addition here. -Roxy the dog™ woof 10:31, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

You're exactly right! I'm new here. I'm eager to learn and post reliable accurate information. Thank you for your comment! Listenforgood (talk) 02:55, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

The cannabis articles are generally in a bit of a mess, but any biomedical claims in them need to have the strongest WP:MEDRS sourcing. The Charlotte's Web article is about one product and its area of treatment (epilepsy). More general content on cannabidiol would belong in the cannabidiol article. I haven't looked for a while but our cannabis articles had some intense scrutiny for a number of medical editors in 2013/2014 and the health information at the time was improved a lot. Alexbrn (talk) 17:09, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Fludarabine and Cyclophosphamide had nothing to do with it of course. -Roxy the dog™ woof 11:20, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

You're right - there is some confusion and I'll try to help add clarity and comply with Wiki guidelines!

"The Charlotte's Web article is about one product and its area of treatment (epilepsy)." -Alexbrn

I believe some of the confusion is that this page, Charlotte's Web (cannabis) covers some aspects of medical treatment, but the treatment info should be redirected (less ambiguous) to Charlotte's Web Hemp Extract. That's the real name. It's real classification is hemp as granted by the Colorado Department of Agriculture. It complies with U.S. law as legal hemp, similar with many already legal hemp products. Here's a giant image: For me to create a Charlotte's Web Hemp Extract page, would I just copy/paste the full edited Charlotte's Web (cannabis) text into a new page?

To be more clear, a separate Charlotte's Web (cannabis strain) would distinguish between the actual cannabis/hemp commercial product created by the Stanleys. Then the plant/cannabis info wouldn't be confused with the hemp-classified medical remedy. Thank you for your time and assistance. Listenforgood (talk) 02:55, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

References

NCGS

Please let me finish this editing in steps. Come back with your views in 1h! Jrfw51 (talk) 18:27, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

WTF! You are pushing your POV against a balanced view and not allowing me to complete this. There is no reason to keep one NHS Choices page and not the other. Look at your comment to me user talk:jrfw51#Apologies. Are you doing this again? Jrfw51 (talk) 16:45, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

No. Please discuss article content on its Talk page, and read WP:LEDE and WP:NOR. You can't invent a dispute within the NHS within an article's lede without sourcing for that dispute. Alexbrn (talk) 17:24, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Did you properly compare the two sources? There are two relevant pages with differing conclusions which were there until you rapidly reverted to a single POV. Jrfw51 (talk) 17:51, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

"Activated" phenolics

Would appreciate your review and comments on the dispute over the new Activated phenolics article being discussed on the fringe theories noticeboard. Thanks. --Zefr (talk) 15:35, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Alexander technique

Your edit war warning really escalated things. Along with a threat to block. OMG, after all these years on Wikipedia without such a complaint.

It does not appear that you read my points:

This is an RCT, and neither the in-vitro or animal study which WP:MEDRS warns against.

It is in a reputable journal.

While the disputed para. could be cut in size a bit, it does not give undue emphasis.

I will try another edit that cuts the para. down in size. And if you are still insistent on removing it entirely, I will go to WP:ANI.

OK?

Bellagio99 (talk) 15:54, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

A RCT (an old one at that) is a primary source, which is not a WP:MEDRS, especially when we have recent secondary sources. Continue edit warring and you face a block. You have been warned. If you don't get WP:MEDRS maybe read WP:WHYMEDRS for background. Alexbrn (talk) 15:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I am not edit warring. I have disagreed with you. Your threats are disrespectful, and until this response you have not even responded substantively with my points. I may refer this to Arbitration just so your behaviour in wielding threats can be noted.Bellagio99 (talk) 16:31, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

You were edit warring. You have three experienced medical editors disagreeing with you. We do not cite an older primary source when we have more recent reviews, ever. You are pretty inexperienced in health topics and clearly haven't dealt with arbcom before; it is very unwise to start mounting major battles when you don't know what you are doing, as it will blow up in your face. Jytdog (talk) 16:34, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I am amused that you accused me of being "pretty inexperienced", but then checked further and took this comment down. As you are more experienced, to where do you think I should refer your lack of WP:CIVIL which includes coming down heavily on banning someone who politely disagreed with you and gave reasons? Bullying is not a Wikipedia custom. I note too that User:Jytdogwas banned by ArbComm for "Jytdog is admonished for their poor civility in relation to the locus of this case." Please learn from that and from this episode. Yours in WikiCivility, and recalling WP:OWN Bellagio99 (talk) 21:35, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Warning are not threats, and Wikipedia has a number of formalized warnings which are useful, for example when an editor is unaware of what "edit-warring" is. A threat is when an editor says something like "And if you are still insistent on removing it entirely, I will go to WP:ANI". Bellagio99 I do so insist: so either go to ANI or accept that is a good policy-based outcome. Alexbrn (talk) 06:39, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

To my mind, a threat is without discussion, you threaten me without warning. That's bullying Sounds like there are complex issues to discuss on ANI, when I have time. That's not a threat, but a statement that there is lack of clarity to be resolved.

BTW, I see you wrote WP:WHYMEDRS: Is it kosher then to self-cite yourself as The Authority in an editorial discussion. Is WhyMEDRS now official Wikipedia policy? Bellagio99 (talk) 19:58, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Actually I mostly wrote that. More sloppiness from you. Jytdog (talk) 20:12, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect claim on "doctor of osteopathic medicine " page

This sentence needs work: "notable difference between D.O. and M.D. training is that D.O. training adds 300 – 500 hours studying pseudomedical" Please correct this article. A peer-reviewed study's conclusion is "Despite some preliminary evidence, it is still largely unknown whether osteopathic manipulative treatment improves preterm clinical outcomes." Here is the study~

A Multicenter, Randomized, Controlled Trial of Osteopathic Manipulative Treatment on Preterms

Many MD programs now include “complementary and alternative medicine,” that also have "unknown effects" according to the literature, yet this mis-characterization of MDs isn't mentioned near the top of their Wiki page.

It is a disservice to the public to give them the impression that DOs are engaging in any less scientifically rigorous practices than MDs when:

A. Few DOs practice OMT in clinical settings, and the efficacy of this practice is still being evaluated

B. MDs also engage in complementary and alternative medicine which has just as questionable efficacy still being evaluated.Yodaflame6 (talk) 03:46, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Primary research in PLOS one isn't reliable for much. The DO content has been much discussed and is well-sourced and due. I don't edit the MD page but if it is faulty that is no reason to alter other articles is it. Please discuss any proposed content changes on the MD article page and not here. Alexbrn (talk) 05:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Since MDs don't have complementary/alternative medicine mentioned at the top of the page, for clarity's sake this sentence is more appropriate in the education section of the article.

It should be in both places: ledes summarize bodies (see WP:LEDE) and should summarize key criticism. Your edit has the effect of whitewashing the lede. Alexbrn (talk) 19:39, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

(Add) by the way, are you editing logged-out? Please be aware of WP:SOCK policy. Alexbrn (talk) 19:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

This practice is not in widespread use by DOs in modern medical practice, and therefore should not be mentioned in ledes but has appropriately been relegated to the Education section. Yodaflame6 (talk) 19:45, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Please discuss article content on its Talk page. I won't respond here again. Alexbrn (talk) 19:47, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Circumcision

Is the Journal of Urology not considered a good enough source? Not fighting to have the edit go back, just curious? --FeldBum (talk) 11:20, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

We need secondary sources for biomedical information; see WP:MEDRS. Alexbrn (talk) 11:31, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Got it. Would an article like this, from UPI, suffice? --FeldBum (talk) 03:29, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

No, it's just a press release. Alexbrn (talk) 04:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy

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Adrenal fatigue

Hi Alexbrn,

I hope you are doing well. I noticed that a lot of my content was being removed from the Wikipedia page on "adrenal fatigue". I am creating edits as part of my Chemistry class, and I posted in various spots about my intentions. I did not mean to engage in an "editing war". I simply thought my edits were not going through because of bad connection or something of that sort. I saw that users said that my resources were unreliable; however, I thought my resources were very reliable because they came from pharmacology textbooks, government sources, medical journals, etc. How would you recommend that I improve my sources? In addition, I think the edits that I am providing will serve the page well. I find a middle ground between supporters and those in opposition of adrenal fatigue as a medical diagnosis, creating neutrality. Overall, I believe my edits could benefit this Wikipedia page greatly, especially since very little content exists on the page now.

Best,

208.75.19.2 (talk) 17:05, 19 April 2016 (UTC)Jmagas208.75.19.2 (talk) 17:05, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I don't know what the point of doing a "class project" on this if when the resulting edits fall so far short of what Wikipedia expects. A lot of people's time is being wasted because of these futile educational jollies. Wikipedia is one of the most read websites in the world and its health content needs to be good. If you really want to help, start at WP:5P and steer clear of these very controversial articles until you grok how things work here. Alexbrn (talk) 17:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Electromagnetic hypersensitivity

Hi, You just deleted an article section which is currently under discussion and the subject of an open RfC, without bothering to engage in that discussion yourself but instead expressing in your edit comment an opinion for which no consensus has yet been established. Could you please remind me how this can be useful? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:20, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

RfCs do not suspend the normal process of editing articles. Alexbrn (talk) 10:21, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

That's right. But note also for example at WP:DR that "Uninvolved editors who are subsequently invited into the dispute will be confused and alarmed if there are large numbers of reverts or edits made while discussion is ongoing." Thank you for contributing to the latest discussion. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:47, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Tone

This edit summary was inappropriate. It was fine if you had good enough reasons to revert the edit, but a summary such as "unreliable sourcing" or "posible spamlink" is more accurate and a lot less rude than "garbage." We can be sure that IP will hesitate to ever edit wikipedia again. I really think you need to tone this down. Montanabw^(talk) 21:18, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Editor of the Week : nominations needed!

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The list of nominees is running short, and so new nominations are needed for consideration. Have you come across someone in your editing circle who deserves a pat on the back for improving article prose regularly, making it easier to understand? Or perhaps someone has stepped in to mediate a contentious dispute, and did an excellent job. Do you know someone who hasn't received many accolades and is deserving of greater renown? Is there an editor who does lots of little tasks well, such as cleaning up citations?

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April 2016

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to lose editing privileges. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a loss of editing privileges. Thank you. GigglesnortHotel (talk) 20:02, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Don't be a WP:DICK. Alexbrn (talk) 20:02, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	For Your comment on FT/N "And with the section heading "Animate beings subject to skepticism" (which includes "ghost") I hereby declare we have achieved peak stupid for the week here on Wikipedia. I shall now retire for a few days to consider whether the Internet is really a good thing." ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 13:51, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Great job

The Probiotics article is better because of you. Best Regards,

Barbara (WVS) (talk) 09:20, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

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Sock et al

No Alexbrn, I'm not a sock, and I don't believe you have any prior reason to suspect that, if not the fact that I (legitimately) choose to edit as a IP to avoid some of the interpersonal unpleasantness that sullies many individuals' experience of editing Wikipedia.

Fyi, after being asked to contribute to TALK:Feldenkrais Method I openly declared (here) that I am an experienced WP:MED editor with a background in evidence-based medicine. (And it's scarcely my fault if two other experienced editors - ping, ping - seem not to have actually read my post, raising blatantly strawman issues such as the need to follow "WP:MEDRS, ... and other relevant policies/guidelines".)

Also, when reverting here I believe the onus is on you to participate on the talk page to explain why you think it appropriate for a reliable source (even if an 'ideal' MEDRS) to be recruited as the basis for a ==Criticism== section when the full text does not once mention the actual person who is the subject of the page (as distinct from the Feldenkrais Method he created). And anyway, in what way would it be appropriate for the bare results/interpretation of an objective study of the efficacy of a clinical intervention to be construed as personal "criticism" of its namesake? 81.129.188.226 (talk) 09:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

So you were editing these articles with two identities. Socking. And no, the onus is not on me. Please see our WP:PSCI policy and make any further comments on this topic on the Talk page of the relevant article. Alexbrn (talk) 18:31, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

IP, if you are on an experienced WP:MED editor, where are the diffs showing your edits? By actually claiming to be an experienced WP:MED editor you have opened this wide up. You did that. And as it stands, it appears you are editing from an IP address to avoid scrutiny and that is not a valid reason to edit while logged out. See Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Editing_while_logged_out. Jytdog (talk) 20:49, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Nope, Jytdog. Not at all.... Just an ex regular contributor to MED and other parts of Wikipedia who stopped editing years ago as a registered user in order to protect his health from the interpersonal nastiness flying around the WP environment. I think both you and Alexbrn really need to question your assumptions before making serious accusations of sockpuppetry to a perfectly legitimate and transparent IP contributor (gf retired editor) without any reasonable cause for suspicion. 81.129.188.226 (talk) 22:08, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Again you brought this in by disclosing editing under a past account and claiming some kind of authority based on that. If you will not disclose your prior accounts then you are simply evading WP:SCRUTINY and we should treat this IP like a SOCK; it is violating policy. Read the link above about editing while logged out. Done here. Jytdog (talk) 22:33, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

@Jytdog: Uhm, I have to question your understanding of WP:LOGOUT. In the past, have been reliably reassured verbally many times (including while helping to bring the Pancreatic cancer page to FA [10] - disclaimers here) by admins and respected senior editors that by continuing to contribute transparently as an IP I am not violating any policy. By contrast, I believe your proposal to treat me "like a SOCK" is completely against one of the fundamental principles of Wikipedia.

For the record, I should add that I was not claiming any kind of authority based on past editing, but rather explaining where I was coming from, and trying to reassure other editors such as yourself that I had no possible interest in POV pushing. 81.129.188.226 (talk) 16:47, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes you tried to re-assure us that you are an "experienced WP:MED editor" - so show us those edits. Again you brought this up. So show us. If you will not, then you are exactly evading SCRUTINY. Exactly. Jytdog (talk) 18:30, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

"transparently" - except it's not is it? Alexbrn (talk) 23:05, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

In stead of all these pretextual sock accusations/insinuations, I think it would be far better to address the genuine content issues I quite legitimately raised on the article talk pages (i.e. the message/content rather than the messenger/user) in genuinely Wikipedian spirit. But, hey, I'm afraid it's pretty much par for the course here, and one reason why contributors like myself, tend to retire, stop using their registered account, or leave Wikipedia altogether :-( 81.129.188.226 (talk) 14:10, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Points about article content can be raised on those articles' Talk pages. To date, much of your contributions there have been light on substance and heavy on you trying to big up what a great editor you are. Better to WP:FOC. Alexbrn (talk) 14:44, 28 May 2016 (UTC)