Talk:Non-binary gender

Nonbinary and Gender Queer

GenderQueer and Nonbinary aren't the same thing. Nonbinary means that you don't identify by any gender. GenderQueer means that you don't know what you are yet and are in the process of figuring it out.

Citation: http://www.transstudent.org/definitions/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fairieserum (talk • contribs) 19:46, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

They are generally synonymous according to other sources. Non-binary and genderqueer usually means anyone who does not fit into the "man"/"woman" binary. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:48, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

You're even misrepresenting the content of the page you add as citation. It says:

Nonbinary (Also Non-Binary): Preferred umbrella term for all genders other than female/male or woman/man, used as an adjective (e.g. Jesse is a nonbinary person). Not all nonbinary people identify as trans and not all trans people identify as nonbinary. Sometimes (and increasingly), nonbinary can be used to describe the aesthetic/presentation/expression of a cisgender or transgender person.

This says very clearly that nonbinary people can have a gender, except female/woman or male/man.

Nowadays, the term genderqueer has become largely synonymous with nonbinary; however, it can also refer to a specific nonbinary gender, to a type of gender presentation (in my experience, nonbinary is mainly used for genders, not presentations), or (as coined in the 1990s) be an umbrella term for all gender-nonconforming or gender variant people (like the transgender umbrella, although transgender is now rarely used in the "umbrella" sense and usually limited to people with a mismatch between their experienced gender and their birth assignment, so for example crossdressers, drag artists and butch lesbians without such a mismatch aren't included). --Florian Blaschke (talk) 03:27, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Using transgender as an umbrella term, meaning so that it also covers genderqueer/non-binary identities, is more recent than the strict use of transgender (which refers to a mismatch with regard to assigned sex and a male or female gender identity). It is only in recent years that the genderqueer/non-binary identities have taken off, which is why this 2005 source in the Transgender article states, "Yet Jordan and Nick represent a segment of transgender communities that have largely been overlooked in transgender and student development research – individuals who express a non-binary construction of gender." If using transgender to refer to cross-dressers, yes, that is an older application of the term, but it's non-standard. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:22, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Just to clarify, "transgender umbrella" usually refers to the inclusive sense current in the 1990s and 2000s (illustrations for the "transgender umbrella" found on the web make this clear). In the past, puristic transsexuals often objected to the term "transgender", or rejected it outright, because it would lump them together with crossdressers and drag queens – including cis-male-identified ones.

Now, gender non-conforming people without a mismatch are not usually termed transgender anymore (except by outsiders who confuse, for example, drag and transgender). Only those with such a mismatch are, whether their gender is binary or non-binary (although some non-binary people do not think of themselves as transgender). It is true that non-binary gender was an obscure concept in the past, so transgender people were not usually thought of as, in some cases, outside the binary. Instead, some people who were once thought of as "merely gender non-conforming" have recently started to think of themselves as non-binary. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 06:29, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

What "inclusive sense" are you referring to? If you mean genderqueer/non-binary identities, including them was not the common use of transgender back in the 1990s and 2000s, considering that the genderqueer identity, as noted by this 2009 "Encyclopedia of Gender and Society, Volumes 1-2" source, from Sage Publications, page 402, was "first widely used in the late 1990s" (emphasis on "late") and "genderqueer is an identity more frequently embraced by younger gender nonconforming people." Such identities were not nearly as common in the past as they are today. Again, these people (disregarding the third gender topic) usually not having been recognized in the literature is why the aforementioned 2005 source states that "[this] segment of transgender communities" had "largely been overlooked in transgender and student development research." It was far more common to see transgender refer to cross-dressers than to anyone who identified as non-binary. These days, transgender is used more broadly in the literature than it used to be, which is why the first three sources in the Transgender article are relatively recent. That stated, it's still the case that transgender is usually taken to mean a mismatch with regard to assigned sex and a male or female gender identity, especially in the medical literature. When sources speak of transgender people, they usually are not speaking of genderqueer/non-binary people; that is not new. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:18, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

I meant the "inclusive sense" that included all crossdressers, drag artists, masculine women, feminine men, etc., regardless of mismatch or not. Enter "transgender umbrella" into the Google image search, for example, to see what I mean.

Basically, "transgender" started out in 1965 as a synonym for "transsexual" (some "transsexuals" may well have been non-binary in the past, too, just not usually talked about it, especially since gatekeepers would not have understood or appreciated it), then it became, by and by, extremely inclusive (becoming effectively synonymous with what is now "gender variant", and what was the initial sense of "genderqueer"), leading to rejection of the term by some transsexuals; now (since the early 2010s or so?) it has been restricted again to people with an actual mismatch, though there is no necessity for a binary identification anymore. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

You stated that "transgender is now rarely used in the 'umbrella' sense." The "rarely" assertion is incorrect in terms of genderqueer/non-binary people, which is why the first three aforementioned sources in the Transgender article are relatively recent. If using transgender as an umbrella term was rare these days, reliable sources would note it and we would note it in the Transgender article. If you mean that transgender is rarely used to refer to cross-dressers, feminine men, and masculine women, that is another matter, and I'll get to that in a moment. The Transgender article (in its lead) does currently state that "infrequently, the term transgender is defined very broadly to include cross-dressers." Your initial comment made it seem like using transgender as an umbrella term for genderqueer/non-binary people was a phase that quickly died out and that the strict use of transgender that doesn't include non-binary people is the recent development. Again, by "strict use, I mean a mismatch with regard to assigned sex and a male or female gender identity. I also mean the use more so associated with men who cross-dressed or trans women. More on the latter further in this paragraph. This is why I responded and began by stating that using transgender as an umbrella term so that it also covers genderqueer/non-binary identities is more recent than the strict use of transgender. That there has been debate regarding transgender vs. transsexual, with some transsexual people objecting to being called transgender, is a matter we cover in both the Transgender and Transsexual articles. You stated that transgender included all "crossdressers, drag artists, masculine women, feminine men, etc., regardless of mismatch or not." But, really, all those people were considered homosexual, which is why we have a note in the lead of the Stonewall riots article stating that "At the time, the term 'gay' was commonly used to refer to all LGBT people." History was not good about differentiating between homosexual people and transgender people. The term transgender went through an evolution, and trans terms now considered derogatory, such as transvestite and tranny, were generally not used to refer to gay people who did not present as the opposite sex. Rather, they needed to appear like they were presenting as the opposite sex to be called those terms. A woman simply looking masculine facial-wise or acting masculine was not enough to call her trans. If she "dressed like a man," then should was likelier to be considered homosexual than trans. Furthermore, transgender (and similar terms) were commonly applied to men rather than to women. See this 2013 "The Transgender Phenomenon" source, from Sage Publications, pages 13-23, for extensive history on the term transgender and similar and their evolution.

Also, this 2010 The Guardian source addresses the history of the terms, stating, " 'Transvestite' originated in 1910 from the German sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld, who would later develop the Berlin Institute where the very first 'sex change' operations took place. 'Transsexual' was not coined until 1949, 'transgender' not until 1971, and 'trans' (a very British term) not until 1996." Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:01, 29 January 2019 (UTC) The Transgender article does give a different date for the coining of the term transgender, but, similar to the "The Transgender Phenomenon" source, it also states, "The term transgender was then popularized with varying definitions by various transgender, transsexual, and transvestite people, including Virginia Prince [...]." Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:28, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't think we actually disagree. It is true that for a long time, transgender was largely confined to what we would now call "binary transgender" for clarity – the experience of one's gender as strictly female or male, yet in contradiction to external or legal attribution –, although I'd wager that's only because the concept of non-binary gender was so obscure at the time (throughout the 20th century, especially in modern Western civilisation), and some people (such as Sylvia Rivera) were (or are still) widely considered binary even though they may not have been. Then, for a time, the radically inclusive sense of transgender, depicted here, saw at least some currency, leading to conflict (especially with transsexual women who were very adamant that they are really women and not merely men dressing up in feminine attire, which misconception they found the radically inclusive umbrella promoted). Now, with the rise of the concept of non-binary gender, which I think largely coincided with the falling into obscurity of the most inclusive sense of transgender, but also the HBS movement, and the work of Julia Serano and Cristan Williams as well as other trans activists and bloggers may have played a role in this, as well as the rise and (partial) fall of the trans* term which looks very much like a compromise (between transgender and transsexual); and now we have this model, the more limited transgender umbrella you mention, though I think it is very much in spirit with the meaning of the term as originally coined, in view of the fact that there is no sharp line between "transsexuals" and the rest (specifically, some non-binary people have all the surgeries, and some binary people have little desire for any kind of medical transition). --Florian Blaschke (talk) 00:40, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Florian Blaschke, per WP:Not a forum (and that's not an attack on you, though I have cited it to you at times), and therefore this talk page not being the place to debate what we are debating unless it's actually helping to improve the article, I'm not going to discuss the topic further in this section. I also prefer not to debate a topic for weeks or months, or longer, whether on-and-off or not, and I know that we could keep going and going for a week or more. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 15:10, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Non-binary Flag?

Searching Non-Binary redirects to this page, so could someone maybe add that there’s also a separate flag for Non-binary individuals since not all nonbinary individuals identify as Genderqueer? (Such as myself) Championmoon (talk) 07:50, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh wait never mind I found the non-binary flag Championmoon (talk) 07:54, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Gender neutral honorific "Zer" (gender neutral version of Ma'am/Sir)

Gender neutral honorific "Zer" (gender neutral version of Ma'am/Sir) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nat MM (talk • contribs) 20:10, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Similarity between agender, nongendered, genderless, genderfree or neutrois?

I guess these are mostly the same thing — should they all appear as separate terms in the lead? Is the lead the best place to raise them all? I'm thinking they could be removed from parentheses in the lead and referred to elsewhere in the article. All thoughts welcome. Cleopatran Apocalypse (talk) 01:26, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Cleopatran Apocalypse, per WP:Lead, the lead is meant to summarize the article. The "Definitions and identity" section covers these terms and is for detail on them. The lead is mentioning them because they are covered lower. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:42, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 1 May 2019

Genderqueer → Non-binary – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Usage of the term non-binary has overtaken genderqueer. WanderingWanda (they/them) (t/c) 22:04, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Survey

Personally, I have a slight aesthetic preference for the term genderqueer, but we should follow common usage:

• Doing a search at http://www.WashingtonPost.com for all of 2018 and 2019, by my count: non-binary was used in reference to gender 49 times, and genderqueer 9 times.
• On the Wiki page List of people with non-binary gender identities, which covers "notable people" who are "non-binary", "genderqueer", and "genderfluid": 30 people are listed under non-binary, 18 under genderfluid, 11 under genderqueer, 4 under agender, and 3 under gender-non-conforming.
• On http://www.Glaad.org, for 2018-2019, 10 articles were tagged with non-binary, 2 with nonbinary, and 1 with genderqueer.
• In a recent interview with LGBTQ activist and author Jacob Tobia, they discuss (and lament) how usage of term non-binary has eclipsed usage of genderqueer (25 minutes in). WanderingWanda (they/them) (t/c) 22:04, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

• Strongly SUPPORT move to "Non-binary gender" per nom, OR "Non-binary gender", OR "Non-binary gender identity/-ies" per previous discussions. See the previous few requests for some good explanations. "Non-binary" has clearly eclipsed "genderqueer" in common and and journalistic sources. Additionally, "non-binary" is a much better "catch-all" term for the many varieties of non-binary gender identities. "Genderqueer" is a somewhat controversial term, both for including the word "queer", and in that it sorta only kinda refers to a few of the many non-binary gender identities - many non-binary folks don't identify as "genderqueer", per se, but a larger majority of "genderqueer" folks identify as non-binary. "Non-binary gender" might be the better choice, WP:POVNAMING-wise. Also, "non-binary" is probably the most common term for this stuff to be used, and has really overtaken "genderqueer" in terms of popularity (and neutrality). Like, other pages (like Legal recognition or Discrimination) literally use "non-binary" to refer to this exact page in their own titles. In the words of Trankuility, "Genderqueer is a controversial title for this page, possibly because of inclusion of the word queer, or because it is only one of a number of possible non-binary gender identities. Using a neutral descriptor such as "non-binary" may not be supported by a larger number of reliable references (per previous talk page discussions), however it may reduce that controversy and provide for the better selection of appropriate page content. Non-binary gender is currently one of a number of redirect pages pointing to Genderqueer. Alternative page names may be better than Non-binary gender." That just about sums it up. Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:47, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the links to past discussions. I think "Non-binary" is precise enough without any additional words. Technically speaking, non-binary can refer to other things, but in practice, the term has become strongly synonymous with gender. If you Google the term you'll get a bunch of results about gender and not much else. Note also that Wikipedia doesn't even have a disambiguation page for "Non-binary": there isn't a single other topic that is a candidate for the title. WanderingWanda (they/them) (t/c) 00:44, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
  • I understand the emotional significance of your arguments, but they don't seem to be policy-based, except for one that argues against your position:
    • "Non-binary" has clearly eclipsed "genderqueer" in common and and journalistic sources. Evidence please, or it ain't so. (Spoiler: it ain't so.)
    • "Genderqueer" is a somewhat controversial term – Wikipedia is not censored.
    • many non-binary folks don't identify as "genderqueer"... Very true. That has a bearing on the content of Wikipedia articles about those folks, per MOS:GENDERID, but it has no impact on the title of this article, per WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:COMMONNAME.
    • "non-binary" may not be supported by a larger number of reliable references... This is (still) true, and is the only policy-based argument you raised. Unfortunately, it argues against your vote, and for keeping the current title.
  • Afaict, your !vote amounts to WP:IJDLI, while your arguments actually support a "keep" vote. Mathglot (talk) 09:26, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support move to Non-binary or, preferably, Non-binary gender. --Equivamp - talk 00:46, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support Non-binary gender per the research above. Oppose Non-binary as an unnecessary violation of WP:NOUN. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:01, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, per WP:Common name/reliable sources thus far/what Legitimus and I argued in the previous discussion, now seen at Talk:Genderqueer/Archive 5#Requested move 4 June 2018. Don't be fooled by WanderingWanda's argument. Nothing has changed since that June 2018 move request. This is just more "move the article" reasoning based on nothing concrete. There's a reason that the article has repeatedly failed to be moved away from "Genderqueer," and that is because "genderqueer" is still the common name. I'm just going to copy and paste what I posted last time. If the article is moved even considering this, I'll just consider that activism has finally won out. But this is what I stated last time: At this point, the repeated move proposals based on supposed offensiveness and faulty Google statistics is bordering on WP:Disruptive. It's similar to WP:Forum shopping in the sense that a few editors are trying time after time until they get the answer they want. Although "non-binary" has gained traction in the last few years in the trans community, there is absolutely no proof that "a larger majority of 'genderqueer' folks identify as non-binary" rather than as genderqueer. Further, we don't give in to appease the side that has less support in the literature. We follow the literature with WP:Due weight. There also are few or no sources to support the alternative name suggestions. [An editor talked about] Google Trends showing "trends have shifted towards the usage of non-binary/nonbinary vs. genderqueer in the last few years." I challenge this as being truthful. This is because the vast majority of the "non-binary"/"nonbinary" sources are not about gender or humans at all. It's also the case that the term "genderqueer" received the most attention in the last few years, with its entry into dictionaries and the like. Google Ngram still shows "genderqueer" as the leader. So does this Google Trends link pointed to in the 2017 previous move discussion. Notice that it compares "non-binary gender" to "genderqueer." It doesn't go on "non-binary" without the gender aspect attached to the term. And here's why: [See this, where Mathglot stated], "Another complicating factor is in the data gathering. Interpreting search counts, trends, ngrams, and other data can be tricky. [The analysis that nonbinary is more common than genderqueer] is flawed, because you have plenty of 'non-binary algorithms' but no 'genderqueer algorithms'. (Well, there is one example of the latter on the internet!) And if you look at what's happening to the curves in that graph, genderqueer shot up from nowhere starting around 1992, whereas non-binary has lost ground in that same period. In fact, if you look at the top ten words following the term non-binary in Google books, they are: (codes, BCH, and, data, code, block, variables, symbols, case, numbers) none of which are about people. This is just to point out that comparing these counts and data can be trickier than one would imagine at first blush." And I stated pretty much the same thing [in 2017], by noting that "If we look at genderqueer on Google Books, we get a lot of sources for it, with a number of them using genderfluid or similar as a synonym or as a subset of the term genderqueer. When we look at non-binary on Google Books, we get far less uses of the term with regard to gender. Legitimus argued similarly. See Legitimus's research below:

Click on this for Legitimus's research

I am seeing personal opinions and other WP:OR touted as equally valid to strong sourcing, evidence of inexperienced users drawn by the canvasing. Second, I performed an analysis of my own using an powerful academic database associated with a major national library that produces cleaner, more carefully organized results than google scholar in an attempt to determine frequency of terminology. The search is specifically limited to strong, peer reviewed sources and academically accredited books. My results are as follows: There is no indication from the academic sources I found indicating "genderqueer" is offensive. Several sources clearly show individuals using it self-referentially and it is also used in recent scientific papers. A search of the term "genderqueer" finds 131 results, dated no earlier than 2004 and used as recently as 2018. The term is specific to social sciences and psychology, unlike "nonbinary" which is a broadly used term well outside the subject matter (see below). Any searching for "non-binary" or "nonbinary" alone is problematic because it is too vague. The terms are used extensively in science to refer to almost any situation where there are more than two results, especially when there may have been an initial impression of only two results. It's predominately used in journals about Computer Science, Engineering, Mathematics, Physics and Astronomy based on my initial search. To combat this I added the search term "gender identity" to both. A search for (nonbinary OR non-binary + "gender identity") yields just 69 results, with the earliest paper dated 2014. The number of results per year for both terms has increased each year, with 22 for "genderqueer" and 19 for "nonbinary" in 2017. The "genderqueer" was consistently more frequent each year. Legitimus (talk) 12:41, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

The term non-binary gender is more useful than non-binary when it comes to researching gender in the literature, but that term is so often used with regard to third gender identities." And this is the case even when using quotation marks around the terms per WP:SET#Notability. [I know that a personalized trends graph was mentioned], and an editor believes this shows that 'the vast majority of uses of the term 'non-binary' are in relation to the gender identity,' but actually looking at the sources shows this to not be true, at least in the case of Google Books sources. [An editor] brought up legal sources, but look at the Legal recognition of non-binary gender article. Often, "X" or a similar designation is used, not the term "non-binary." It's mainly the news sources using the term "non-binary" for ease when explaining legal aspects. Even sources [that the editor] cited show the X designation. And we already have the Legal recognition of non-binary gender article specifically for legal cases. It should not influence this article. [The editor] brought up LGBT sources, but, as we can see in the 2016 previous move discussion, a number of LGBT sources support "genderqueer."

I've stated before that the term genderqueer specifically covers non-binary history, issues, and explicitly all of the other identities mentioned in the article. It is the term most often noted as the umbrella term for all of these gender identities. Below, are the sources I pointed to in the 2017 and 2018 discussions. But for this 2019 discussion, I've added more sources:

Sources using the term genderqueer over the years (from 2009 to 2019), which make it clear that genderqueer is the most common term/main umbrella term.

1. This 2009 "Encyclopedia of Gender and Society, Volumes 1-2", from Sage Publications, page 402, states, "First widely used in the late 1990s, genderqueer is an identity adopted by individuals who characterize themselves as neither female nor male, as both, or as somewhere in between. [...] Genderqueer is an identity more frequently embraced by younger gender nonconforming people', ensuring that the crossing and blurring of gender lines will continue to become more visible and likely more accepted." The source goes on to cover the topic in depth, including taking note of expression, appearance and pronouns. 2. This 2012 "Transgender 101: A Simple Guide to a Complex Issue" source, from Columbia University Press, page 115, states, "We are going to start out with genderqueer because the term is growing in popularity to describe, for the most part, people who feel that they are in between male and female or are neither male nor female." The source goes on to talk about genderqueer issues. 3. This 2013 "Gender Identity" source, from The Rosen Publishing Group, page 16, states, "Genderqueer' is a term growing in popularity. It refers to people who feel that they are neither completely male nor female but in between." 4. This 2014 "German Feminist Queer Crime Fiction: Politics, Justice and Desire" source, from McFarland, page 179, states, "The term genderqueer references practices and embodiments that do not exclusively inhabit the territory conventionally described as male or female or that fall outside of gender norms altogether." 5. This 2015 "What the Heck Is Genderqueer?" source from Slate states, "Genderqueer, along with the somewhat newer and less politicized term nonbinary, are umbrella terms intended to encompass individuals who feel that terms like man and woman or male and female are insufficient to describe the way they feel about their gender and/or the way they outwardly present it. The term genderqueer was originally coined in the 1990s to describe those who 'queered' gender by defying oppressive gender norms in the course of their binary-defying activism. Members of the genderqueer community differentiate themselves from people who are transgender (itself originally intended as an umbrella term), because that word has come to refer primarily to people who identify with the binary gender different from the one they were assigned in infancy." The source goes on to talk about genderqueer issues. 6. This 2015 "There's Transgender and Then There's Genderqueer" source from Newsweek states, "People who describe themselves as genderqueer often feel that the gender binary (boy OR girl, woman OR man) is too limiting to describe their experience of gender. [...] For many people, the concept of genderqueer remains something of an enigma. This is, in part, because 'genderqueer' means different things to different people. Some genderqueer people think of themselves as living between the binary genders; some as living outside the binary genders; and others reject the idea of binary gender altogether, seeing it as something to be challenged, stretched or played with. Genderqueer can enable individuals to flexibly explore their gender over time, experimenting and changing as they go, but it can also describe a steady sense of sitting somewhere in between the traditional binary boxes." The source goes on to talk about genderqueer issues. 7. This 2016 "The SAGE Encyclopedia of LGBTQ Studies" source, from Sage Publications, page 460, states, "The concept of being genderqueer is not currently well understood within most Western cultures. Genderqueer is a term that typically describes one of three gender identity categories: (1) an individual who feels their identity falls in between male and female, (2) an individual who may feel male or female at distinct times, or (3) an individual who rejects gender completely. The following terms may be used by individuals who feel that their gender identity falls somewhere in between male and female: gender variant, intergender, androgene, genderfluid and pangender (this list is constantly growing and changing, so these are several examples of a longer list). [...] Because there is a lack of popular culture understanding of genderqueer identity, most individuals who feel genderqueer do not have the terminology or the understanding of what is going on internally to communicate with others about how they are feeling regarding their gender identity." 8. This 2016 "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Healthcare: A Clinical Guide to Preventive, Primary, and Specialist Care" source, from Springer, page 8, states, "'Genderqueer'—an umbrella term that encompasses a wide range of genders. This term can include those who feel like they fit outside of a gender binary of male vs. female, as well as individuals who consider themselves to have multiple genders or no gender at all." 9. This 2016 "Sex, Sexuality, Law, and (In)justice" source, from Routledge, page 27, gives a glossary listing; it states, "Gender queer: Used by individuals who reject categories of gender altogether and wish to claim a space outside the traditional gender binary." 10. This 2017 "Affirmative Counseling with LGBTQI+ People" source, from John Wiley & Sons, page 217, states, "An individual who identifies as genderqueer is 'a person whose gender identity is neither man nor woman, is between or beyond genders, or is a combination of typical prescribed gender roles and/or expressions' (UCB, 2015, 'genderqueer'). [...] Genderqueer persons may also identify with terms such as bigender, androgynous, gender fluid, gender nonconforming, gender diverse, pangender, and/or nonbinary." The source goes on to talk about genderqueer issues.' 11. This 2017 "LGBTQ Intimate Partner Violence: Lessons for Policy, Practice, and Research" source, from University of California Press, page 22, states, "[G]enderqueer [is] an umbrella term for gender identities other than male or female." 12. This 2017 "The SAGE Encyclopedia of Psychology and Gender" source, from Sage Publications, page 1934 states, "Genderqueer is a term that began to circulate within sexual and gender minority communities in the late 1990s and encompasses nonbinary gender expressions and identities. While gender is commonly conceptualized as feminine or masculine, with binary identities of women and men, genderqueer individuals defy and reconstruct these notions of gender and generate nonbinary gender identities and gender expressions. Being an umbrella term', genderqueer can take on different meanings for different individuals." The source goes on to address appearance/surgery issues and pronoun issues. 13. This 2018 "A Guide to Genderqueer, Non-binary, and Genderfluid Identity" source, from Psychology Today, states, "Defining Genderqueer (GQ): A GQ or nonbinary person is someone who feels that their felt gender doesn't fit with socially constructed norms for their biological sex. This may be in terms of their thoughts, feelings, behaviors, and, most importantly, their gender identity. [...] GQ Umbrella Identities: Brace yourself, because the variety inherent among GQs has resulted in numerous additional labels within the framework of genderqueer. Here are a few of the common ones according to Giddins: Genderfluid: Identify as male, female, or nonbinary at different times or circumstances. Third-gender: "Hirja" in India or "Two-spirit" in Native American cultures. Amalgagender: Intersex people born with a mixed male/female anatomy. Demigender: A weak or partial connection to a certain gender (demigirl or demiboy). Bigender: Having two gender identities either simultaneously or switching between the two. 6. Pangender: Identifying with a vast range of different genders. 7. Agender: Lacking gender, genderless, or not caring about gender identity. 14. This 2018 "Everything you never knew about being genderqueer" source, from The Daily Dot, states, "Trans Student Educational Resources (TSER) defines 'genderqueer' as 'an identity commonly used by people who do not identify or express their gender within the gender binary.' Genderqueer people 'may identify as neither male nor female,' TSER explains, and 'may see themselves as outside of or in between the binary gender boxes,' if not dismissing gender altogether. In short, genderqueer describes gender identities that go against traditional expectations of what it means to have a gender. Genderqueer is an umbrella term, so when someone identifies as genderqueer, that could mean a variety of things. Some people consider themselves genderqueer and identify as cisgender, or with their gender assigned at birth. Others see themselves as genderqueer and prefer not to assign themselves to a specific gender identity. Because genderqueer carries a wide range of terms and phrases, there's no such thing as a one-size-fits-all approach to being genderqueer. [...] Some people may consider themselves genderqueer and identify with various other terms within the genderqueer umbrella. Here are just a few examples. Agender: Agender individuals are people who "do not experience having a gender," Hell Yeah, Agender! explains. Agender people may use a wide range of pronouns and experience no particular relationship with a gender identity. Bigender: Bigender people have two gender identities. Some bigender people experience their gender identities simultaneously, while others regularly transition from gender to gender. Some genderfluid people may identify as bigender too. Genderfluid: Term for individuals who 'have different gender identities at different times,' Nonbinary Wiki states. Genderfluid is an umbrella term and is used by people who identify both inside and outside the gender binary. Multigender: An umbrella term for people who 'have more than one gender identity,' be it at once or from time to time, as Nonbinary Wiki explains. Multigender identities include genderfluid and bigender. Nonbinary: Nonbinary is an umbrella definition for people who fall outside the gender binary and do not explicitly identify as 'male' or 'female.' For more information, read our guide to being nonbinary." 15. This 2019 "Transgressive: A Trans Woman on Gender, Feminism, and Politics" source, from Jessica Kingsley Publishers, page 87, states, "Genderqueer, also known as genderqueer—nonnormative gender identity or expression. While genderqueer originated as an inclusive umbrella term, it is also considered by many to be an individual identity." 16. This 2019 "Predictive validity of the genderqueer identity scale (GQI): differences between genderqueer, transgender and cisgender sexual minority individuals" source, published in the International Journal of Transgenderism weighs the difference between three groups based on a genderqueer identity scale. There are a number of other new academic sources that also use the term "genderqueer" or "genderqueer and non-binary," all while prioritizing the term "genderqueer." Some new academic sources, when focusing on the gender meaning of non-binary, also use the terms "non-binary," "non-binary people" or "non-binary gender identities," but most use "genderqueer" or prioritize "genderqueer"...or make it clear that "genderqueer" is the main umbrella term.

Where are [the many] academic sources using the term non-binary or non-binary gender to cover all of the history, language, etc. for western gender identities that fall outside of the gender binary? I'm not seeing many. [...] Except for the Google Scholar sources that happen to use the term "non-binary" or "non-binary gender" to address genderqueer and nonconformity issues, especially childhood gender nonconformity, there is scant academic usage for non-binary or non-binary gender when compared to the wealth that the term genderqueer has. A number of those Google Scholar sources are using "genderqueer" interchangeably or alongside "non-binary," "non-binary gender" and/or "gender nonconforming." Also note the Encyclopedia Britannica entry on the term genderqueer and its history. That encyclopedia does not have a "Non-binary" or "Non-binary gender" entry. For dictionary sources, "genderqueer" also prevails with regard to gender. [Most of the] academic material [...] for "non-binary" material that actually is about gender, and is not about gender nonconformity as a whole, mixes in third gender material, which obviously already has a Wikipedia article. If we want to cover the supposed non-neutral-ness of the term genderqueer, we do that by locating reliable sources stating as much and covering it in the article, not by overriding our WP:Common name policy. The most that I would support is renaming the article "Genderfluid" or "Genderqueer and non-binary" [or "Non-binary gender identities"]. But "genderfluid" isn't used as an umbrella term as much as "genderqueer" is, and it's sometimes used as subset of "genderqueer." And "Genderqueer or non-binary" and "Genderqueer and non-binary" are long-winded and suggest a difference, when sources overwhelming treat the two as synonyms or list "non-binary" under "genderqueer," for western gender identities.

As seen by their vote above, Equivamp has changed their mind about this matter, but I'm willing to bet that, just like me, SmokeyJoe, Legitimus, and Mathglot are still wondering where the solid evidence is for going with "non-binary" or "non-binary gender." How are we going to declare either of those terms the common name, given the evidence that Legitimus, Mathglot and myself have presented? I'll go ahead and alert Wikipedia talk:Article titles to this discussion. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:18, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Note: To anyone responding to my above comment, do not break up my comment; this is per Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Editing others' comments. Respond after this comment. I want all of my comment together, in its original, long format. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:13, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Flyer, I've added subsection #Discussion below, if you feel like moving any of this there. If you do, feel free to move it above my discussion comment to retain chrono order with the original timestampe. Mathglot (talk) 09:48, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose – Quoting the Rfc statement supporting a move: Usage of the term non-binary has overtaken genderqueer. The evidence and hard data from published, independent, reliable, secondary sources clearly show that this is false. Per WP:COMMONNAME, the current article title is the correct one. Wikipedia is not the bleeding edge; we are a lagging indicator. Mathglot (talk) 09:42, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

A note that Flyer22 Reborn pinged SmokeyJoe, Legitimus, and Mathglot, three editors who all voted oppose in the last RM discussion. Wikipedia:Canvassing says that selectively notifying editors who have or are thought to have a predetermined point of view or opinion is prohibited, and it is similarly inappropriate to send a disproportionate number of notifications specifically to those who expressed a particular viewpoint on the previous debate. WanderingWanda (they/them) (t/c) 10:18, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

(forthcoming...) Mathglot (talk) 09:45, 2 May 2019 (UTC)