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;[[Kyiv]], the capital of [[Ukraine]]: has the (mis)fortune of having a [[Russian]] name that clearly is internationally more widely known than the Ukrainian name. The best efforts of Ukraine's government to legislate what is the right version of their capital's name in English-speaking world led only to edit and revert wars in Wikipedia, as some <s>obstinate</s> editors did not heed the country's own government, insisting that '''the best-known version''' should be used, and in the end they won. Since it was unthinkable that any of the warring camps were in wrong in their contentions, it must have been [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|the NPOV policy]] that was faulty. |
;[[Kyiv]], the capital of [[Ukraine]]: has the (mis)fortune of having a [[Russian]] name that clearly is internationally more widely known than the Ukrainian name. The best efforts of Ukraine's government to legislate what is the right version of their capital's name in English-speaking world led only to edit and revert wars in Wikipedia, as some <s>obstinate</s> editors did not heed the country's own government, insisting that '''the best-known version''' should be used, and in the end they won. Since it was unthinkable that any of the warring camps were in wrong in their contentions, it must have been [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|the NPOV policy]] that was faulty. |
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;[[Elizabeth of Bohemia]]: A user unilaterally moved the page with raising it with anyone. An admin reinstated it and asked him to go through the usual channels in proposing the controversial naming. Instead he then went to [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] to report her, against whom he had been making increasingly wild allegations for weeks, for supposedly abusing her powers in having restored the page to the least controversial location and having asked him to move propose its move the normal process everyone else uses. |
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Revision as of 02:11, 1 September 2005
Occasionally, Wikipedians lose their minds and get into edit wars over the most petty things. This is to document that phenomenon. Please note: edit warring itself is lame. This page is dedicated to edit wars with lame or silly causes, not to exhaustively documenting all the real and contentious edit wars.
Ethnic feuds
- Foustanella
- Who first donned a frilly skirt and threatened to kill anyone who questioned his manhood over it? Was he Albanian or Greek? If Albanian, Gheg or Tosk? Thankfully, none of the modern day warriors on this topic have access to real weapons (we hope!)
- Category:Hong Kong literature
- Edit war over whether the category should be subcategorized under or merely linked to Category:Chinese literature. Resulted in repeated multiple reverts that led to violation of the three revert rule.
Names
- Gdańzig
- Edit wars have been occuring for most of a year with regards to the exact name of this
PolishGermanPrussianEasternCentralNorthern EuropeanBalticBaltijascity. - Richard Neustadt
- Two months of edit war on whether the page should say "[[Harry S Truman|President Truman]]" or "President [[Harry S Truman]]" (plus the same with several other presidents).
- Fossil fuel for reciprocating piston engines equipped with spark plugs
- Should this substance be called gasoline or petrol? See the talk page for a debate about the total number of English speakers in the world, the relative utility of search engines and claims that UK-wikipedians are set to re-establish the British empire by moving pages to British spellings and that Americans who want "gasoline" are being their usual nationalistic/culturally imperialistic selves. Gasoline has been settled on for now, only because it was the original title, but the fallout has yet to settle.
- Land making up Tsushima subprefecture
- Is it an island or a group of islands? Does it matter if there are islets surrounding what people call an island? Can we still consider it an island if the navy blasted a shipping channel in the middle of it? Maybe the Japanese name should be used to decide. Or possibly the English term used to refer to it by the government of Japan. Or is it just a case of one side thinking about the landmass in the sea (e.g. Great Britain) while the other the island as a political entity (e.g. United Kingdom) and couldn't actually agree on what the article is actually about??
- Missing sun motif
- Is it a collection of myths or a motif? Should "sun" be capitalized or not? What about "underworld"? Edit warring here over these and other weighty issues have involved four editors and most of the article's history.
- Devil's Lake (North Dakota)
- Shockingly, there are multiple locations in the United States with the name "Devil's Lake." A very heated war broke out here regarding which one should be featured, whether a disambig page was needed, even over the usage of the apostrophe- eventually literally devolving into "my lake is better than yours!"
- Her Late Majesty
- Must a queen deceased for over a century still be styled here “Her Majesty”, an epithet conventionally reserved for the current monarch? This weighty dispute (pale reflection of warring here), filling talk pages and edit histories, has spilled over into other British monarchs, other royals and titleholders, several countries having or having had a monarchy, claimants and other royal pretensions, and even hundreds of holders of the papacy, where popes centuries dead are endorsed as “His Holiness” here, losing and regaining the endorsement with blinks of eyes. Ongoing debates deal with the format of dates, and the used or unused, existing or non-existent
surnamesfamily nameshouse namesformer fiefs(some inherited names, but very few are sure what they precisely are) of monarchs and relatively unfamiliar variants of those (as well as the putative name of the horse of her late majesty's husband's family), with most edits being extremely trivial. Involved parties vouch for only aiming at accuracy, and certainly some argumentation goes deeper than believed humanly possible. This even created an edit war over whether it could be mentioned here. A truce, seemingly imposed by a Royal intervention that dragged in innocent bystander Prince Michael of Kent, Scottish accents and snail slime, appears to be holding, though occasionally some new fallout is being generated. - "local girl makes good"
- Pet views on royalty again, mostly same parties warring - but aligned contrariwise. Could an American woman who made an ex-king her catch, keep here the title she was bestowed by the marriage, or is the begrudging native "she stole our king" attitude a reason sufficient to revert her posthumously back to her second husband's surname, i.e Wallis Simpson. See how contrary POVs enter the debate, persons who had wanted "majesties" and "highnesses" used in each minor royal's articles going to strip an American girl of her only nobility title, and see chivalrous Americans fighting to metaphorical death in defense of a countrywoman's entitlement. An interesting point has been whether it is fatal or not that she married her Duke after his abdication, and how all that relates to various Austrian, Russian, Romanian etc losses of monarchies, as well as to her sisters-in-law and also to Fergie.
- Speedy deletion criteria
- While not really an ongoing edit war, an interesting point of lameness is the fact that a significant number of edits to WP:CSD consist of changing the name in the example of attack pages, e.g. this edit.
- William of Orange
- was the name of one King of England and also of some totally obscure minor characters in the mists of history — or was it actually the name of two important and well-known Protestant Heads of State, etc? That became the object of a dispute over a redirect. This vital question divided a bunch of eminent readers of history and led to a revert war that alternated the redirect almost every hour. Casual viewers were holding their breath when coming to check what was the current position of that weathervane. As the name's usage in English-speaking cultures was perceived to be the determining factor, there were attempts to almost hand-count English-speakers in New Zealand, South Africa, etc. — all apparently using the hallowed name in certain way. Extensive and in-depth arguments in several talk pages and usertalk pages included claims of original primary authorship of a redirect as well as accusations of nationalistic POV, filibustering and "using all the tricks in the box." This teaches us some things about disambiguation pages and potential problems surrounding even such tools. A formal poll resulted in votes 9-5 in favor of renaming the disambiguation page as simply William of Orange, and most fallout is being settled.
- Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine
- has the (mis)fortune of having a Russian name that clearly is internationally more widely known than the Ukrainian name. The best efforts of Ukraine's government to legislate what is the right version of their capital's name in English-speaking world led only to edit and revert wars in Wikipedia, as some
obstinateeditors did not heed the country's own government, insisting that the best-known version should be used, and in the end they won. Since it was unthinkable that any of the warring camps were in wrong in their contentions, it must have been the NPOV policy that was faulty.
Dates
- Death By Stereo
- Was this band officially formed in 1996 or 1998?
- Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure
- Was it released in 1988, or '89? Was it released straight to video before hitting the theaters? If so, does that count?
- Ned's Atomic Dustbin
- Was their independent EP The Ingredients released in 1989 or 1990?
- Nancy Reagan
- Was she born in 1921? Or 1923? After days of editing, does anyone really care THAT much? The woman is old. As a bonus, someone later edited this page to state he was right after all.
- Dates, dates, dates
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- Jennifer Lopez : Born in 1969 or 1970? (1969 was finally settled on)
- Jamie Lynn Spears : Was she born in 1991 or 1992? After years of being born in 1991, her publicist slips up and accidentally mentions she is 13 years old (in 2005), and all hell breaks loose. (Corrected to 1991)
- Ann Coulter, edit war over whether she was born in 1961 or 1963, settled at 1961 after some damning evidence was found.
Punctuation
- FOX News
- One user rewrites part of a paragraph; another user reverts because of three commas placed outside quotation marks; and a revert war ensues.
- Template:Wikipedialang
- Edit war involving three sysops over whether there should be commas in "10000" and "1000." Leads to a blocking and liberal use of the rollback button.
- Frequent date of birth to death punctuation
- Frequent edit wars over over whether a there are spaces between the dash when writing a person's date of birth and death.
Example (January 24, 1943 – August 9, 1969) or (January 24, 1943–August 9, 1969). Related edit war over whether the month or the date comes first, i.e. 1 July or July 1, despite the fact that display preferences can be set to provide for either regardless of the wikicode placing.
Spelling
- Aluminium
- The non-North-American English-speaking world spells it aluminium with two letter "i"'s, the official IUPAC spelling is aluminium also with two letter "i"'s, and that's where the article is - with two letter "i"'s. There are occasional futile attempts to put the word back to aluminum, which only has one letter "i" in it.
- Potato chips
- Should potato chips be flavored or flavoured? What is the provenance of the potato chip, America or UK? Four-user revert war on these important issues results in the page getting protected and listed on RfC. And the chips become seasoned.
Sysop Wars
- User:The Trolls of Navarone
- Two sysops in a revert war over the user page of a banned sockpuppet of hard-banned user:142. Then, a month later, a user takes one of them to Quickpolls over the revert war.
- Main Page
- What April Fool's jokes should be mentioned on the Main Page, if any? This protected page, editable only by admins, normally goes unedited for days—all content is included from templates, so there is no need to edit the Main Page directly. On April 1, 2005, it racks up more than 60 revisions of varying seriousness before finally being reverted to a days-old version. This does not even include all revisions of the templates the Main Page includes.
Templates
- Cookbook, Cookbookpar, Wikibookspar, Wikibooks, Wikiquote, Wikiquotepar, Wiktionary, Wiktionarypar, Wikisource, Wikisourcepar, Wikisource author, Wikispecies, Wikinews
- Should a meta-template be used to standardize the format of all of these? Do the advantages of the meta-template outweigh the potential cost in server resources? Lack of agreement on these issues leads to constant reverts between two users, and a couple of TFD nominations.
Photographs
- Feces
- Revert wars, alleged sock-puppetry, and page protection: should the article on feces include this picture of a large human turd? As of early July 2005, the discussion on this issue alone had reached 12,900 words.
- Invisible Pink Unicorn
- Edit war over what pictures (if any) to include of a parody deity, and how to capture them.
- Cat
- 34 reverts in just over an hour. The pressing issues: Should one unremarkable photo be included? Is the cat depicted really smiling? Both users were blocked for 30 seconds—"a suitably lame block for a remarkably lame edit war"—after protection of the page had halted the reverts. One user resumed after protection was lifted the next day, leading to further 12 reverts over the same photograph. Another page protection put a stop to the lameness.
- Sonic the Hedgehog
- Which picture should top the article: "Old style" Sonic or 3D Sonic? After a some discussion, including an image-by-image vote on every image on the page, consensus settled on both.
Miscellaneous lameness
- Weblog
- Is a blog an application or is it the product of an application? See The discussion on the Talk: page for Weblog
- Europe
- Revert war over whether Europe is commonly considered a continent or not.
- Cauliflower
- Is cauliflower nutritious? Is specifying what parts are usable POV?
- List of numbers that are always odd
- The number 3 was being considered as possibly being not odd. Page protection was needed to halt the heated debate. User:Wik's correction of a misspelling of hypochondriacs was re-reverted no less than 3 times. Supposedly as a means to illustrate the ludicrousness of the subject, various examples such as "the atomic numbers of gold and silver, but not their sum" and "the number of days in a year (except leap years)" were added to the list. Later in the edit war, no less than two thousand five hundred numbers of debated oddness (every second integer from 1 to 4999) were added and removed, four hundred ninety eight of them repeatedly before the edit war was solved by the article's deletion after a VfD vote.
- Wikipedia:Yet more bad jokes and other deleted nonsense#Edit conflicts
- The edit war on the Wikipedia:Edit conflicts page, preserved in Yet More Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense.
- Wikipedia:Requests for de-adminship
- Wik's nominations of 9 Wikipedia:Wikicops were moved; the wikicops page itself got in a move war about a week later and ended back at Wikipedia:Administrators.
- Sarah Edmonds
- Wik makes a correction, giving her middle name and month of birth. This gets lost through an edit conflict, and Danny and Alexandros add a paragraph worth of content. Wik reverts. Danny reverts. Etcetera. The only objection either had with the other's edits was that it reverted their own.
- Suncrest, Washington
- Constant reversion of Mark Richards's "vandalism" by original creator who seemed to think it was his page. See page history and VfD discussion.
- Grace Kelly
- Edit war over whether she is a gay icon.
- Miss Kitty Fantastico
- Edit war over whether it is appropriate for the text some demons to link to the article Evil reptilian kitten-eater from another planet.
- Micronations
- Two self-proclaimed leaders of micronations in a lengthy revert war in this and other articles about the comparative value and notability of their made-up countries.
- User talk:66.167.235.16
- User:Arminius left the Template:test message on the anonymous user's talk page. The anonymous user removed the test message. A three hour, 25-edit war followed over whether or not the talk page should include such inflammatory messages as {{test}} and welcome notices. Other admins were called in to look at the situation, and, after careful analysis and fact-checking, it was determined to be a very lame edit war indeed.
- Susan Hawk
- Was she in Survivor: Pulau Tiga or Survivor: Borneo? Considering both were in heavy use, one really shouldn't have precedence over the other (although Pulau Tiga was the term used for years before Jeff Probst introduced the term Borneo for the first season); in any case, the edit war between the older term and the newer term has gone on for months.
- SkyOS
- Fast & furious kindergarten catfight with accusations of GPL violations, advertising, lying and fanboyism.
- Apple pie
- Is apple pie really "all American"? This weighty issue causes a revert war, ending in a 24-hour block, two ArbCom cases, and the temporary departure of one Wikipedian.
- What would Jesus do?
- Should the article link to Brian Boitano or What Would Brian Boitano Do?. Should a movie title be italicized? Did something happen in the middle of the 1990's or the mid- to late-1990's? These and other probing questions were at the heart of five-day long edit war between Anthony and Wik, during which the page had to be protected twice. The campaign spread to other pages, with What Would Brian Boitano Do? surviving a VfD listing by Wik.
- Exploding whale
- Is the phrase "the blast blasted blubber beyond all believable bounds" worthy of inclusion? Was placed on WP:RFC at one point.
- Charles Darwin
- Is sharing a birthday with Abraham Lincoln important enough to include in the Charles Darwin article, or is it a bit of trivia that has no place in an encyclopedia? As of 4 February 2005, there has been an eight week-long revert war over a single sentence. There have been two polls on the Darwin Talk pages, one request for a debate, one WP:RFC, one WP:RFM, one WP:RFAr denied, and one recently closed RFAr. The discussions at Talk:Charles Darwin/Lincoln and LincolnArchive01, plus the arbitration pages amount to some 30,000 words, which is about the length of a short Agatha Christie novel.
- Irish breakfast
- What goes into an Irish breakfast; black pudding, white pudding or neither? Is the bacon boiled or fried? See the talk page for an in-depth of the various issues.
- Katie Couric
- Is she an "entertainer" or a "journalist?" Is it necessary to mention that she "annoyingly" drops the "g" at the end of words (e.g. "morneen")?
- Furry
- Huge edit war over whether or not the article should be re-directed to furry fandom with multiple reverts and multiple-paragraph arguments on the talk page.
- Mezmerize
- Recurring edit wars over such trivialities as the release date of the album and the chart positions of songs.
- Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
- Are Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader considered one character or two separate ones? Do they deserve separate listings in the "credits" section? This seemingly trivial disagreement degenerates into a full-fledged revert war, complete with allegations of vandalism, 3RR violations, aggressive edit summaries and a week long page-protection.
- As a side note: Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back has also been the site of an edit war over whether Ian McDiarmid should be included in the credits or not for his role in the Special Edition version.
- André the Giant
- Is he 7'1"? 7'4"? 6'10"? He's tall, just leave it at that.
- Urban75
- Is Urban75 a "left leaning" or "liberal leaning" site? A two-month argument on this results in hundreds of reverts, userpage vandalism, sockpuppetry & two separate VfDs
- Football World Cup
- Who finished third in the 1930 World Cup? United States? Yugoslavia? With still one year to go before the next World Cup, this subject gives involved users something to pass the time.
- Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
- Does the fact that this is not a Star Wars film preclude it from being categorized as a Star Wars film? Many reverts a day.
- Monty Hall problem
- Is it a puzzle of probability or of game theory?
- Britney Spears
- Whether or not she belongs on the list of virgins
Meta Lameness
- Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars ever
- Edit war over which edit wars are allowed to be on this page (oh, the irony). - see Recursion; see also tail recursion. Examples have included William of Orange, Her Late Majesty and this entry itself. These have also resulted in two attempts at VfD (now WP:NFD), which only demonstrated the community's support for this page's existence.