Talk:Muhammad

Add a Picture of Muhammad

I think it would be a good idea to add a Charlie Hebdo image of "Muhammad" to the Article. What do other people think?68.206.249.124 (talk) 14:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Why should we add that? How would it be good? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:18, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

That it's a bad idea. See however Depictions of Muhammad. It has the 2001 South Park one as well, which nobody cared about at the time. Those were the days. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:52, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

If only we could turn back the clock. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:57, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

What possible encyclopedic value could it have? How does a caricature help the reader understand Muhammad? So no, we won't add it here (and probably a bad faith suggestion). Jeppiz (talk) 16:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Agree with all of the above. Why? O3000 (talk) 00:34, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Why not put caricatures on a page dedicated to Jesus? This is a page that relies on sources and is not nonsense Uryon988 (talk) 14:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC) إِنَّ الْمُسْلِمِينَ وَالْمُسْلِمَاتِ وَالْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَالْقَانِتِينَ وَالْقَانِتَاتِ وَالصَّادِقِينَ وَالصَّادِقَاتِ وَالصَّابِرِينَ وَالصَّابِرَاتِ وَالْخَاشِعِينَ وَالْخَاشِعَاتِ وَالْمُتَصَدِّقِينَ وَالْمُتَصَدِّقَاتِ وَالصَّائِمِينَ وَالصَّائِمَاتِ وَالْحَافِظِينَ فُرُوجَهُمْ وَالْحَافِظَاتِ وَالذَّاكِرِينَ اللَّهَ كَثِيرًا وَالذَّاكِرَاتِ أَعَدَّ اللَّهُ لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا (35) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.248.56.141 (talk) 11:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Preservation of Electronics Crimes Act 2016 (PECA) reserves the prohibition of any kind of misleading information especially regarding the Religious matters. People must be aware of that act before removing/adding any contents. Either we remove all sections under page "Muhammad[[1]]" or avoid the conflicting statements altogether. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eihtesham (talk • contribs) 16:00, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not subordinate to the laws of Pakistan. Eik Corell (talk) 16:39, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Muhammad

(Arabic: مُحَمَّد‎, pronounced [Muhammad] (PBUH); c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE) is Muslims religious, social, and political leader and the founder of Islam. The Holy Prophet Muhammad (Salah-u-Alihe Walihe Wasalam) is the last divine prophet of Allah. After His Eminence, no other prophet is going to be sent by Allah. The Prophet of Islam, from the beginning of his mission, introduced himself as the seal of the prophets and is accepted by the Muslims as such. The subject of finality of prophethood in [Islamic doctrine] is considered to be an important matter and it is not in need of any evidence; as finality arbitration from Allah is clearly mentioned in the Holy Quran:

مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَآ أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِ‏ّ شَىْ‏ءٍ عَلِيماً

“Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Apostle of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.” (33:40) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eihtesham (talk • contribs) 09:16, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

القول في تأويل قوله تعالى : مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِنْ رِجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِنْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا (40) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.248.56.141 (talk) 11:34, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

أَشْهَدُ أَنْ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَحْدَهُ لَا شَرِيكَ لَهُ وَأَشْهَدُ أَنَّ مُحَمَّدًا عَبْدُهُ وَرَسُولُهُ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.248.56.141 (talk) 11:37, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 December 2020 (2)

Change this:

Muhammad[n 1] (Arabic: مُحَمَّد‎, pronounced [muħammad];[n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE)[1] was an Arab religious, social, and political leader and the founder of Islam.

To this:

Muhammad[n 1] (Arabic: مُحَمَّد‎, pronounced [muħammad];[n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE)[1] was a religious leader, who is considered by many academic sources in the Western world to be the "founder of Islam",[2] A.889 (talk) 21:22, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Rationale: source #2 in the article "The Oxford Encyclopedia" represents a major view in the Western academia. Thus, it should be stated that this is a view that belongs to the Western academia in order to be neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.889 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

It's not the "Western academic view", it's reallity. --Khajidha (talk) 22:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Are you considering yourself the "spokesperson for reality"?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.889 (talk • contribs) 22:28, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

It isn't a western viewpoint, it's reality. No religion called "Islam" existed in human history prior to Muhammad. That is an undisputed fact. Muhammad is the founder in the exact same sense that Joseph Smith is the founder of Mormonism (both Muhammad and Smith have remarkably similar stories around them about how the religion was revealed by an angel in ancient documents that no longer exist), even though Mormon adherents also consider Joseph Smith as the last prophet.

By necessity, an encyclopedia of human knowledge must be secular, and a secular encyclopedia does not promote religious viewpoints. That is reality. This article describes the religious viewpoint, as it should, but stating that viewpoint in Wikipedia's narrative voice would violate the NPOV policy. The fact that the statement is cited to the Oxford Encyclopedia doesn't make it a "western" viewpoint. It's simply stating a fact. And this issue has been discussed at great length before; it behooves you to review those past discussion before making a request that has been considered and rejected numerous times.

I have stated repeatedly in these arguments that I'd rather the article say Muhammad "introduced" Islam to the world, and nobody would disagree with that statement. But the current consensus is to state he is the "founder" of Islam. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:40, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

The view that "Muhammad is the founder of Islam" is a common view in Western academia, but is widely criticised and rejected in Muslim academia. Since this is a common view in Western academia, it should be stated, albeit attributed to its holders. Trying to promote your personal pro-Western view "as reality" is not neutral at all. Would you find it nice if Muslims try to impose their own views on you "as reality"?!

Source #1: "Muhammad is thus not the founder of Islam".

Source #2: "According to Muslims, however, Muhammad was not the founder of Islam"

Source #3: "Muhammad was not the founder of Islam".

Source #4: "To the Muslims, the Prophet Muhammad was not the founder of Islam."

Source #5: "In Christian literature, he is regarded as the founder of Islam, but according to Muslim sources, Muhammad is not the founder of Islam."

Source #6: Muhammad was not the founder of Islam; he did not start a new religion. Like his prophetic predecessors, he came as a religious reformer."

I haven't requested that the statement about "the founder of Islam" in this article be removed, but i've requested that it be attributed to its holders. Very simple thing to do.

"Submission to God" was preached and practiced by all the Israelite prophets and their followers (including Jesus and his disciples). James 4:7: "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." James, the brother of Jesus, didn't speak Arabic. Thus, it was unlikely for him to use the Arabic word for "Islam" itself. However, it is quite clear that he preached the essense of Islam (i.e submission to God). If you search the entire Bible, on the other hand, you will not find a single verse in which an Israelite prophet preaches "the Christian Trinity" or even "Judaism". Even top Jewish rabbies admitted that the term "Judaism" was used for the first time after the kingdom of Judah. I asked some of them what was the name of their religion prior to the kingdom of Judah, and they admitted they don't know the answer. It is quite clear, however, that none of the Israelite prophets in the Bible used the word "Judaism". It is quite clear, that Abraham didn't consider himself Jewish or Christian. Instead, the Bible shows that Abraham was a "submitter to God". For example, when God ordered Abraham in the Bible to slay his son, he submitted to the will of God and didn't object.

"Ebionites", "Arians", and "Nazarenes", are names and titles that were used by Pauline Christians to describe groups of monotheists that historically existed in the middle-east region prior to the advent of the Prophet Muhammad. Although they were largely persecuted by the Christian-Pagan alliance in the Roman Empire, these groups had beliefs essentially similar to the Muslim beliefs with only minor differences.

For centuries, Pauline Christians described Muslims in their writings with names such as "Muhammadans" and "saracens", although Muslims themselves never used these names to describe themselves. It is very likely that "Arians" as well never used the name "Arians" to desrcibe their ownselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.889 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Warning Please read WP:NOTAFORUM and adhere to it. I removed a flagrant violation of it. Additional warning at user talk page will follow. As for the matter at hand, it has already been answered. Wikipedia is about verifiable sources, in which the consensus is that Muhammad was rhe founder of Islam. We do not follow devotional views for any religion. Jeppiz (talk) 19:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

None of those sources contradict what the article already quite clearly states. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:39, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

This is basically us writing in English, and A.889 trying to read it in Arabic. The English word "Islam" was adopted specifically for the teachings of Muhammad. The sense of "submission to God" that A.889 mentions, and which is characterized in Islam itself as something rather more like the English language concept of "the Abrahamic faiths" was not adopted in English. English language sources do not characterize Jesus, Moses, Abraham, etc as "Muslims" or as practicing "Islam". --Khajidha (talk) 22:39, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@Anachronist, the sources I provided above attribute the different views on this topic to their holders. This source, for example, attributes the view that he is the founder of Islam to "the Christian literature", and the view that he is not the founder of Islam to the Muslim sources. This source, also, attributes the view that he is the founder of Islam to the Western academia. It says: "In Western studies, Islam is often portrayed as a founded religion, whose origin can be dated back to the seventh century. Since Muhammad is regarded as the founder, the term Muhammadanism has been used. According to Muslims, however, Muhammad was not the founder of Islam". This is excatly what I want: that this view be attributed to its holders (Western or Christian), and the opposite view be mentioned and attributed to its holders too (Muslims). Presenting the common Western/Christian view alone as "reality" without attributing it to its holders violates the concept of neutrality.

Although the Arabic Wikipedia article on this topic is a featured article, which means its quality is higher than the quality of this article, it doesn't make any mention at all of "Muhammad being the founder of Islam" anywhere in the introduction! (although it does assign a paragraph in the body of the article to present the various Christian/Western views) This shows that this Western/Christian view is not reality, and that it is widely criticized and rejected in the Muslim literature.

While I prefer following the example of that featured article and not mentioning this controversial view about the "founder of Islam" anywhere in the introduction of this article here. If you feel like you want to mention it, then you need to attribute it to its holders instead of presenting it as reality. Otherwise you are flagrantly violating the principle of neutrality.

@Khajida: then, why does the article of Paul start by saying that "he was an apostle who taught the gospel of Christ." (a pure Christian religious statement !!!) instead of saying the "he was the founder of Pauline Christianity" (from historical and secular point of view). Isn't this a crystal clear example of the profound bias here?! Would you find it appropriate if this article starts by saying that "Muhammad was an apostle who taught the Quran of God"?!--A.889 (talk) 03:55, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

I think you have a point on the "Paul" thing, and per WP-philosophy, that is something to be dealt with at that article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

That is an absolute no. We do not present facts and faith as two different views. You seem to continue to conflate the academic view with the Christian view. Christians believe Muhammad was insane, or a liar. Of course we are not going to say that. Again, we say what the academic consensus is. Concerning Paul, I think you are right, that article should not say that. Jeppiz (talk) 10:46, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

"Although the Arabic Wikipedia article on this topic is a featured article, which means its quality is higher than the quality of this article" Considering that the two articles are on different Wikipedias with different standards for featured article status, any such comparison is dubious at best. --Khajidha (talk) 11:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Jeppiz, i didn't say anywhere in my comments above that "facts and faith should be presented as two different views". Basically, this is not "facts vs faith" issue. The academic consensus in the Muslim world is that "Muhammad is not the founder of Islam", and this is not based on faith, but on evidence rooted in comparative religion and history. This field of studies was actually estabiled by devout Muslims scholars like Al-Biruni and Ibn Hazm centuries before it reached the West.

@Khajidha, you know that the Arabic wikipedia has the same set of policies and principles regarding "neutrality" and "reliable secondary sources" that the English wikipedia people claim adhereing to. BTW, do you think it is neutral and appropriate if this article starts by saying that "Muhammad was an apostle who spread the teachings of God"? If not, then why did you make such a biased phrasing here?!--A.889 (talk) 07:47, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Are you serious? We are talking about academic consensus today. What academics thought 1000 years ago is utterly irrelevant; science constantly evolves. Jeppiz (talk) 11:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

You will notice that I removed the explicit references to gospel and Christ. As for the link to Jesus in Christianity, I simply did not follow the (preexisting) link to read the article as I should have. I have now changed the link to the more neutral Jesus. --Khajidha (talk) 12:01, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

• The academic consensus today, in the Muslim world, is that it is inappropriate and inaccurate to describe the Prophet as "the founder of Islam". This is manifest in almost all the academic publications here, including: the Arab Encyclopedia, the Global Arabic Encyclopedia, the Turkish Encyclopdia of Islam, and the Urdu Encylopedia of Islam, among many others in different languages. All of them refrained from using this description (i.e "founder of Islam") in their articles on the Prophet. That's why the featured article in the Arabic wikipedia has also refrained from using this description.
• Even the Encyclopedia of Islam, that was published by Brill, refrained from describing the Prophet as the "founder of Islam". It uses the description "Prophet of Islam" instead.source --A.889 (talk) 07:19, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

That's a nonsense argument. If several sources claim "X", just finding a few sources that don't explicitly claim "X", while not refuting "X" either, doesn't invalidate the claim in any way. Your argument is akin to claiming that unless every source about Shakespeare explicitly mentions that he wrote Hamlet, we cannot say that he wrote Hamlet even though several excellent sources say he did. Jeppiz (talk) 14:19, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

This argument and its example would be relevant if someone requested the removal of a certain "sourced" statement from an article because it is not supported by other sources. However, this is not what has been requested here in the first place! This edit-request has been made for the purpose of attributing a certain viewpoint to its holders, which is the correct thing to do. It hasn't been made for the purpose of removing that viewpoint entirely.--A.889 (talk) 07:27, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Prophet Muhammad

Man muslims are 2 billion in the world .2 billion muslims represent that man and you allowed wikipedia's to edit the criticism page.I saw jesus pbuh page nobody talks about his criticisms.My prophet is my life please for God's sake don't allow criticism page to be edited because criticsm are taken from sahih bukhari which is not entirely reliable source as it was written 150-200 years after our beloved prophet left this world how can a person now sitting on a comfort couch edit and malign our prophets image based on a book that came into this world almost 2 centuries later.Please my prophet was best in the world. He was best please delete criticisms page and correct it from reliable sources. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hjjhgt (talk • contribs) 10:02, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

No. 2605:A601:A880:8C00:145E:34D3:A748:947B (talk) 14:45, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Criticism of Jesus. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:52, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Does wikipedia promotes anti islam propaganda

I come on wikipedia thinking it's a reliable source but what do I see everywhere islam getting abused what's the matter with you I see no such thing with christanity buddhism I see no muslim bashing any other religion beliefs you all edit this page based on bukhari ever wondered how can book coming 2 centuries later describe the character of our prophet. Please for God's sake don't bash islam so much I know it's easy today because we are suppressed right now but our prophet is our honor please don't post unbearable contents about our islam on your page that would be pretty good from you guys Hjjhgt (talk) 10:25, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

What specific content are you talking about that's supposedly abusing your religion? Justified criticism of the faith is not abuse and is not limited to Islam only on this website. If you're talking about the Muhammad images, well this conversation has been had many times nor do they also constitute abuse, and we will not take them down. --76.67.98.129 (talk) 10:35, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 January 2021

عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ‎ 71.169.165.83 (talk) 11:35, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Not done, see WP:PBUH. Jeppiz (talk) 11:58, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Early biographies

"The earliest surviving written sira ... Although the work was lost..." These contradictory phrases are applied to the same work. Please rewrite in a coherent manner. --Khajidha (talk) 14:10, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

@Khajidha: Good catch. Based on reading the linked articles in that sentence, it seems that the original work was lost, and the only things surviving from it are excerpts in other ancient scholarly works. I have revised the sentence. Hopefully it makes more sense now. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:36, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

In my point of view, the paragraph is still problematic. It is now suggesting that the earliest ever written Prophetic Biography was the one written by Ibn Ishaq. However, several Prophetic Biographies or proto-Biographies were actually written before Ibn Ishaq's. Musa ibn Uqba (born c.674), for example, wrote a Prophetic Biography, before Ibn Ishaq. There is no English Wikipedia article on Musa ibn Uqba, but there is an Arabic Wikipedia article on him that can be found here. A person can also find here on this page: "List of biographies of Muhammad" an incomplete list of the earliest Prophetic Biographies or proto-Biographies written as early as the beginning of the 1st century AH.--A.889 (talk) 18:56, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

OK, @A.889: How would you suggest phrasing that sentence? Khajidha correctly pointed out that the original was contradictory. My revision removed the contradiction, but I am not sure how to adjust it to account for the nuances you describe. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

"Writings on the the biography of the Prophet (in Arabic: al-Sirah al-Nabawiyyah السيرة النبوية) started as early as the first century Anno Hegirae by the second generation of Muslims.

Among the early writers in this field were: Urwah ibn Zubayr (died 713), Aban ibn Uthman (died 723), Aamer al-Shaabi (died 723), Wahb ibn Munabbih (died 725), Aasim ibn Umar ibn Qatada (died 738), Shurahbil ibn Saad (died 740), Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri (died 741), Musa ibn Uqba (died 758), Sulayman ibn Tarkhan at-Taymí (died 760), Ibn Ishaq (died 767), and Ma'mar ibn Rashid (died 770)." --A.889 (talk) 11:55, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Statues of Muhammad

There doesn't appear to be any mention of statues. "For the first half of the 20th century, an eight-foot-tall marble statue of the Prophet Muhammad overlooked Madison Square Park from the rooftop of the Appellate Division Courthouse at Madison Avenue and 25th Street." Source NY Times: A Statue of Muhammad on a New York Courthouse More recently an artist in Australia with support from the Secular Party of Australia is building a statue mocking the prophet as an exercise in freedom of speech. Source: Wayne Smith building Muhammad Statue mocking the prophet. Art of Muhammad has not always been banned and indeeed nothing within the Quran actually forbids imagery depicting the prophet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.171.219.227 (talk) 02:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

No mention of statues is required; this is irrelevant to Muhammad's biography. You made an identical request at Talk:Depictions of Muhammad, and the request is more appropriate there. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:01, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

So you are saying I should add it to more pages? Good idea but I haven't the time really. Thought those two pages were the most relevant. The other is more relevant than this one? Ok. Fascinating. Don't see why you would bring it up but nice observational skills I guess possibly. Seems a minute thing to focus on though. Wait. No mention of statues required did you say? This figure from the barbaric 7th century has hardly any monuments to his bloodthirsty killings. Alexander had a library. Genghis Khan built cities. Hitler designed sports stadiums. Would you mention a great egyptian pharoah without reference to his pyramid? Stone outlasts the written word. Even legends die but monuments last thousands of years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.208.109 (talk) 09:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Don't ascribe words to others that haven't been said. I never said to add it to more pages. Yes, Alexander had a library, Khan built cities, pharaohs have pyramids. What is your point? That the article fails to mention that Muhammad unified the Arabs and founded a religion? The article does, in fact, go into quite some detail about those things.

Moreover, you haven't demonstrated why a discussion of statues is relevant to include in a biography article about Muhammad. We could include a photo of a statue if one exists with a suitable free license, and if such a photograph provides a relevant illustration of something in the text. But the quotation you included above is simply a statement about a statue, and gives no biographical information, which is the point of this article. What is the point of your proposal? ~Anachronist (talk) 04:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 January 2021

Please change: "the founder of Islam" to the "the last prophet in the Islamic belief." 178.115.128.212 (talk) 08:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Besides, the article already states the Islamic belief in the very next sentence. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Wives of Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

Since this website's goal is to state facts and not mere speculations, at least in the lists of a person's biography, I want to suggest this edit. It is almost unanimously agreed upon among the islamic scholars and biographers that Muhammad(SAW) had 11 wives. Rayhana(R) and Maria Al-Qibtiya(R) were his concubines, so they should be listed as such. Although there were a few weak narrations claiming that they were married by our Prophet(S), they were not proven and holds no weight to those claims. So I request the admins/editors to change it up. We muslims will be very grateful for this correction. Ishan87 (talk) 10:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm not saying these WP-articles are necessarily correct, but they contradict you to some extent:

• Rayhana bint Zayd states "However, the most accepted position among the Muslims is that the Prophet manumitted her and married her.[9]"
• Maria al-Qibtiyya states "Like Rayhana bint Zayd, there is some debate between historians and scholars as to whether she officially became Muhammad's wife, or was just a concubine.[6][7][8] Though generally well-known in the Islamic tradition as a concubine of Muhammad, she has recently been raised to the status of a wife of Muhammad by certain modern-day scholars.[9]" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

"However, the most accepted position among the Muslims is that the Prophet manumitted her and married her." This statement definitely is not true. The most accepted position among muslims is that Muhammad (SAW) had 11 wives and she was not a wife. There's no historical evidence or strong hadith to suggest she was a wife. The link you provided is that sole weak mention which is heavily disputed. There is a strong hadith which basically says- Muhammad (SAW) asked her to be free and marry him, but she choose to remain Jewish and a concubine. Another narration says that later (probably after a year or so) she accepted islam, but there was absolutely no mention of her being freed or marriage. I don't remember the exactly remember the hadith or seerah books-chatper-page numbers, but you can look it up easily by searching. I can provide the links if necessary. As for Mary the Copt, I'm well aware of some people listing her as a wife, but it lacks evidence. There's literally no mention of our prophet marrying her. On the contrary, evidence suggests she remained a concubine. Anyway my point is, most of the scholars, biographers, historians, and books says Prophet Muhammad (SAW) has 11 wives, but nowadays young people prefer the internet for short n easy access, but the top site WP is showing the contradictory info which is sad. Btw, if you really want to go with "modern-day scholars" that the birthdate of Muhammad (S) should be changed as well, because it is not only suggested by modern scholars but modern calculations has suggested that 9th RA of 571 CE is the most likely date of his birth. I suggest you look that up too. Hope you get my point. Thank you.

Ishan87 (talk) 15:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Ishan87, I don't know how many wives Muhammad had and I won't pronounce myself on that topic. More broadly, however, please note that it's not really relevant here what people in general believe. Wikipedia builds on reliable sources. Again, I don't know what the majority position among scholars in the relevant fields are, but that is really the only thing that matters here. If you have such sources supporting the edit you suggest, then I see no problem with it. The academic sources need to come before the edit, though. Jeppiz (talk) 15:33, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Supposed Peadophilic Nature of Muhmmad

The Article about Prophet dont mention about his supposed Peadophilic nature, As Wikipedia claim to be neutral therefore we should present that many leading Scholars agreed that he indeed has Tinge of being a Paaedophilic Man, I can quote scholars who said he was sexually attracted to Aisha at Minor Age but later Persian writters turned a saint and Prophet out of Muhammad. Should I add that ???? 1997 MB (talk) 14:10, 28 January 2021 (UTC) Blocked sock. Alivardi (talk) 15:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

See Talk:Muhammad/FAQ #9 and Muhammad#Criticism. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:23, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Petra

Petra.

According to Dan Gibson, this was the place where Muhammad lived his youth and received his first revelations. As the first Muslim mosques and cemeteries show, it was also the first Qibla direction of Muslims. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.242.133.192 (talk) 15:14, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 February 2021

Images of prophet Mohammad peace be upon him should get deleted from this page. It is prohibited to publish dawings of any of the prophets of god. With such a high place of honor they were given, they should at least be respected not to be in any drawing or painting. Dr.Alaa1996 (talk) 21:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: @Dr.Alaa1996: Please read the FAQs above for why consensus is that the images remain in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 22:09, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 February 2021

I don't have to edit anything, just write (saw) or (pbuh) after Muhammad everytime .e.g, Muhammad saw or Muhammad pbuh.. 2409:4054:96:82B4:0:0:E7D:F0A0 (talk) 17:08, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Please read Talk:Muhammad/FAQ, specifically Q5. Favonian (talk) 17:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 February 2021 (2)

There are many pictures under which it is mentioned that Prophet Muhammad is doing this and that. Kindly remove all the pictures which are drawings of the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) because it is against the prestige of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and hurts the feelings of Muslims. 202.142.155.154 (talk) 17:55, 23 February 2021 (UTC)