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WP:Basic & WP:GNG

Is some one aware of few examples of biographies where WP:BASIC is being met but WP:GNG is not. I get constantly confused with WP:BASIC. If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.

When it says multiple & independent sources - does it mean they can also be primary since it doesn't say secondary here. Also, when it says if depth of coverage is not substantial (means significant I guess?), what is the depth we need to look at since it can't be trivial either? I mean is it like a mid point between substantial and trivial? Sorry I am asking too many questions! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 05:39, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, Nomadicghumakkad. The next sentence in BASIC says "Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject." (emphasis added). Does that answer your question? --ColinFine (talk) 09:24, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey, yes - settles the context and utility of primary. What about the depth? It says if depth is not substantial multiple sources that can be used that are NOT trivial. So is there a standard in terms of how much portion of the source should talk about the subject to qualify in this? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:28, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, think of it like this, for GNG to be met at least three reliable sources that discuss the subject must be used. That is, those three sources must satisfy WP:INDEPTH & WP:SIGCOV, but if GNG cant be met we are provided with an alternative route which is BASIC, which in summary requires multiple, (arbitrary I put the bar at 7 sources) which although do not satisfy WP:SIGCOV discuses the subject of the article to a reasonable degree. Primary sources could be used, but may not be used to substantiate cogent assertions but may be used to substantiate inconsequential or non imperative details. Furthermore the usage of primary sources do not establish notability hence the need to be conservative when optimizing them.Celestina007 (talk) 13:21, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, I can feel the clouds clearing and I can see the light! Thank you. Last stupid question - When you say a reasonable degree - can we say at least 25% of the article is about them? Or let's say at least two paragraphs about them? What do you think? Some more insights would be really helpful to decode WP:Basic for me. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:51, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, no please, it’s an imperative question. Now, a reasonable degree is subjective and largely depends on you. Okay see it like this, for WP:SIGCOV to be met within the confines of WP:GNG we need at least three/four paragraphs anything less than three paragraphs doesn’t meet WP:SIGCOV so if you come across sources that discuss the subject of an article with just one or two paragraphs that’s good enough for BASIC. One other pitfall to avoid is WP:SYNTH, you could read about that later. I hope this helps, and I’m willing to answer any more questions from you, you could leave me a message on my tp if you are in doubt or in need of assistance. Celestina007 (talk) 15:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, I think I am super clear. Thank you for being so very kind to explain me this. I sometimes feel WP:BASIC has been misused (read abused) here and is being exploited. We should archive this thread and save it somewhere for everyone to read and understand that WP:BASIC doesn't mean a small bunch of sources vaguely covering the subject. Thank you again. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 15:35, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, no problems, I’m glad I could be of service. Celestina007 (talk) 15:51, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I think a key part of WP:BASIC is People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published[4] secondary sources... (emphasis added), so one of the ways I assess 'depth' is by determining whether the source includes WP:SECONDARY coverage, i.e. an author's analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources. So from my view, 'depth' can depend on what the source is saying about the subject. I also look for facts such as biographical and career information, because this can add, per WP:BIO, valid content to fill an article about a person. Beccaynr (talk) 05:56, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Some important source lines

What are some Important Code Lines of Wikipedia, such as To Submit an Draft for review on Wikipedia-

{{subst:submit}}ExclusiveEditor (talk) 15:40, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor Another important one I can think of is {{Category}}. It allows you to add categories to articles. HiCooldude😎 (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@HiCooldude: that's not what that template does. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: one of the most common ones are ~~~~, to sign your messages. Otherwise, it really depends on what you'd like to do. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor:. There are so many templates and specialist coding that it can be difficult to say which is most important. It depends a lot on the topics you are interested in. For example, I edit mainly for chemicals, so {{Chembox}} is a vital one for me, while someone doing biographies will use {{Infobox person}}. Try reading WP:TEMPLATE and note that many individual template pages say how many times they are used: Template:Infobox person is in about 405,000 pages! Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

See Help:Wikitext. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser

How do you edit using AutoWikiBrowser? 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:10, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kepler-1229b: Check out Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser. There is link there to request permission to use AWB and also a link to the user manual. RudolfRed (talk) 02:57, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

got it🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 22:01, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Please help with why my article was rejected.

Hello, I would like some help with understanding why an article was rejected so that I can resolve the issues. My article about a high-IQ society called the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry was rejected with an explanation that it should be written "from a neutral point of view." However, I would like some advice on how it could be written in a more neutral style than it was, as it only states verifiable facts about the society and contains verifiable references. The rejection feedback also said that the article should "refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed." However, nine of the sources refer various years of the Guinness Book of World Records, which mentions the society, and one source is a book written by Marilyn vos Savant published by McGraw-Hill. A few of the sources refer to the society's own webpage, but the majority are "independent, reliable, published sources" that were not produced by the subject (society) being discussed. In the past, this society has been mysteriously targeted for rejection from Wikipedia while other High-IQ societies (Mensa, Intertel, etc.) have been included. I would like to resolve this discrepancy. In addition, the rejection stated that the article reads more like an advertisement than an article. However, the facts contained are similar in nature to those contained in the Mensa, Intertel, and other high-IQ society pages. I would like to some help in resolving these issues.

Again, I respectfully request some help identifying which of the factual statements appear to have been written from something other than a "neutral point of view." I would also like some advice about why nine separate Guinness Book of World Records books and one McGraw-Hill book do not qualify as "independent, reliable, published sources."

I look forward to your help. Thank you! ThousanderISPE (talk) 04:40, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello @ThousanderISPE: and welcome to the teahouse. Firstly, I don't understand why you used nowiki tags in references in your Draft:International Society for Philosophical Enquiry. Learn referencing from referencing for beginners or from the blue button present in first message on your talk page which says Learn more about editing.

Secondly, you will agree that your own website doesn't establish notability. When this society was included in guiness book, some newspaper must have published this news. Find that news and cite it there. Also cite what work this society has done (Eg: Scientific papers etc.)

Third, When you cite sources as I told above, the problem of article being promotional can be solved by any other editor as they can check those sources and normalise the tone.
Last but not the least, Your username gives impression that you are connected to society. You must declare your conflict of interest or if you are being paid to write this article the also read WP:PAID -- Parnaval (talk) 06:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

User:ThousanderISPE, let's look at a sample. We are told:

The International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE), a.k.a. The Thousand®, is a global scientific and philosophical high-IQ society founded in 1974 by Christopher Phillip Harding for individuals 18 years of age or older who have performed at or above the 99.9th percentile on any well-recognized and accepted test of cognitive ability.

Wikipedia is uninterested in the registration, or otherwise, of trademarks. (The article about Microsoft is about "Microsoft", not about "Microsoft®".) What, if anything, does "global" mean here? How (according to independent sources) is the society "scientific" or "philosophical"? What (again according to independent sources) does the society do? -- Hoary (talk) 06:35, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Unable to move articles out of sandbox and not sure how to credit/cite translated article

Hi,

I recently translated the original Traditional Chinese text of Dayi Heart with a friend who is fluent in both Traditional Chinese, Simplified Chinese, and English, and we'd like to publish the article and move it out of my sandbox. However, I do not have enough edits to publish it and I also do not know how to cite this type of article since it is directly translated from the original texts. Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you! XerryJu (talk) 05:12, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, XerryJu. A straightforward translation of the text of a work written in another language is not a topic appropriate for the English Wikipedia. We do not host translations. We host encyclopedia articles. Please read Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:09, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

That being said, it may be an appropriate text for Wikisource. Zoozaz1 talk 14:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Request semi-protection

I'm having trouble with getting a request for semi-protection for a Wikipedia article, how do I go about this? Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 05:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Btspurplegalaxy, you can ask at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. -- Hoary (talk) 06:41, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

What happened to <score>  ?

when I type

<score> (score stuff) </score>

before this would produce a scoresheet, such as that found on Yorckscher Marsch. Why does it now say "Musical scores are temporarily disabled." - whats going on? 69.172.145.94 (talk) 08:12, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

It's disabled for security reasons. See Help:Score and phab:T257066. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:25, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

According to some comments at Help talk:Score there is a partial workaround (implemented, for example, at The_Cullercoats_Fish_Lass), though I've no idea whether it works in all cases.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:19, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Machan Taylor nominated for speedy deletion... it's a DRAFT and has only been up for ... 45 minutes?!

I JUST started creating and editing an article draft for singer and composer Machan Taylor. My draft is synthesizing at least six resources or more. The thing has only been up for 45 minutes but I spent several hours collecting sources and details that would fit any legitimate article on Wikipedia. I've contested the speedy deletion proposal but am just baffled that the thing has been up in a space that should allow for safe drafting before any of these judgments are cast on one's work for just a few minutes and I'm already grappling with this. I haven't edited more because I wanted to get some sleep. Is there any way to preserve one's work so I have a chance to edit this? I had added some notes in the draft that may have triggered something, but they are meant for editing and cross-referencing. Please help: I've put a lot of research preparing for this draft and am concerned the work I've put in won't get at least some minor consideration after I finish the draft ... I mean, I just started this draft and am already chasing problems that a draft shouldn't really be dealing with. --1987atomheartbrother (talk) 10:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Your draft was deleted because it was a copyright violation. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. Theroadislong (talk) 10:40, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

? I didn't edit anything that violated copyright... this is perplexing. I worked on this thing for hours. Can someone please restore the draft so I can keep working on it? --1987atomheartbrother (talk) 10:42, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@1987atomheartbrother: (edit conflict) Hello, and Welcome to the Teahouse. First of all, I am not an administrator, so I cannot view the deleted text. While it is true that the rules in draftspace are somewhat more lenient, there are still certain things not allowed there. Keep in mind that even though its draftspace, its still technically visible to others (but not search engines, at least the well-behaved) when they know where to find it. Based on the deletion reason left by Jimfbleak it appears like the page was too similar to [machantaylor.com/bio this website]. While that website doesn't carry any information about its content license (or I just didn't find it), because copyright issiues can put Wikipedia in legal jeopardy, we must assume its copyrighted, meaning we cannot use the exaxt wording here. We don't restore copyright violations. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

So I need to start over? I literally spent HOURS on research and drafts through the night. It would have been easier to just copy something. I had reference notes on the article draft. But all reference notes are going to be similar to her bio: if I mention 10 bands she's been a part of and those 10 bands are mentioned in her bio I am getting slapped with a copyright violation? What would you suggest? 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 10:50, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

As I said, I am not an admin and therfore cannot see the deleted text. I sometimes realy wish I could see deleted revisions, but that is not a privilege the community has given me so far And I am 99% sure that an attempt to get that privilege would fail due to WP:NOTNOW). I have mentioned Jimfbleak here, perhaps he can give some more info? Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:12, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Jimfbleak deleted it as a blatant copyright violation of this page. I have to say that this does puzzle me. I haven't made a systematic comparison, but I chose four samples from what you wrote, had Firefox look for each within the page said to have been plagiarized, and Firefox failed to find any. OTOH I am sleepy. Perhaps Jimfbleak would like to comment. -- Hoary (talk) 11:19, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Another user flagged it as a copyright violation. You made a minor edit to it. You then reduced its bulk considerably. After that, Jimfbleak deleted the entire draft. Some of the material in what you deleted from the draft did violate copyright. Wild guess: You copied material that looked promising into the draft intending to paraphrase or quote the best bits and delete the rest before submitting the result as a candidate article -- surely, you thought, this would be OK? But no, even the fleetingest copyright violation counts as copyright violation. And my guess could anyway be wrong. -- Hoary (talk) 11:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hoary The notes I deleted were just a mess of items I'd gathered for reference. I'm not even sure I was going to use any of it. I saw the first copyright violation flag and contested before I went back to clean up what I was planning to leave in the draft to resume work later. We're all volunteers here, so this is pretty intense. I'll need to get some sleep. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 11:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I need to get some rest too. Here's the way I worked on this: I tend to work on Pink Floyd and other bands from time to time. I wanted to create a Machan Taylor page: she may be the only Pink Floyd back up singer that hasn't had an article drafted and she is cross-referenced across several other existing articles. I spent a few weeks totaling a good amount of hours researching her. I pulled resources and references together, compared them to see which ones were legitimate enough, etc. The subject has worked with Glenn Miller Orchestra, Sting, Gov't Mule, and many others too - is a professor in her artistic space, etc. So I began a draft. I synthesized information that I put in the first paragraph (the introductory paragraph) that were in my own words. I created a paragraph about her early life that is based on interviews - more than a couple. Then I left some notes in the space that would be devoted to her career overview but those notes were not organized. That may have included things from other sources that I needed to check on to see if they were fit for quotes. I stopped because I had been working on this for hours and needed a break. Within minutes the draft was deleted. I just feels like if I write the bands this woman worked with it will get slapped with 'plagiarism.' So this one singer for Pink Floyd and all these other artists and bands will never have an article then - it seems it will be impossible to get around this. Also, what this tells me is the 'draft' space here is no such thing. You have to bring the article 100% fleshed out and fully done to avoid punitive action. It seems it's not a very effective space to begin a project and resume work on it later. It's a tad harsh. The first two sections of the article were my own work. The third section was just jumbled notes to guide the next part of the draft... so I'm not sure what this means in terms of drafting. Thank you for your feedback. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 11:42, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

1987atomheartbrother, The editors who search for copyright violations are not perfect, I know I'm one of them. I think my error rate is under 1% but I do make mistakes. even when it is not a mistake, if the material is enough of the copyright violation that it ought to be deleted, I fully understand that it may also include information such as references that would be relevant for a rewrite. My guess is that the deleting administrator would be happy to email you the contents, but if that doesn't happen in short order, let me know and I will email the contents to you. S Philbrick(Talk) 11:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Sphilbrick I understand. I'd appreciate the help and will keep referential material on a Word doc... it seems that's what triggered this. I think I'm just a bit paranoid now for lack of rest and because I was being so careful! Thanks, everyone.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 11:50, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

One thing that is important to be aware of is that close paraphrasing, when a text is minimally rewritten, is also (usually) a copyright violation, and is certainly plagiarism. I haven't seen your text so I don't know if that was the issue here, but it is something that happens pretty frequently. It is really difficult to paraphrase a text well, because we get stuck in how the existing text presents and discusses the information. The best way of creaating an entirely new text is to start with just the key facts and write the text based on those, instead of starting with existing sentences and writing a text based on them. --bonadea contributions talk 12:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Bonadea Thank you for the feedback, I truly appreciate it.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@1987atomheartbrother: I'm not surprised you are frustrated at this experience but since you will be starting over (I hope from the e-mailed copy) I can give you a couple of tips from my experience with new articles. First, DONT use MS Word: it often "helpfully" converts Wiki markup for italics (that is '') into standard quotes (or even "smart" quotes, which is worse) and makes other possibly unwanted changes. So keep your local copy in a simple text editor (I use Wordpad, saving as .rtf). Second, it is helpful to switch between the local editor and the source editor in Wikipedia, to see, for example, how the templates will render and occasionally to add new material, especially citations. Make sure you switch on syntax highlighting in the Source editor (pen icon next to the word "Advanced" at top of edit window) so that you can use the colours to match up tags etc. Preview often BUT don't save ("publish") anything — copy the edited material back into your local editor from time to time. That way, you'll never hit copyright issues because Wikipedia will have no retained material until you are nearly done with the draft. Third, focus first on establishing that your WP:BLP meets the WP:NMUSICIAN notability criteria, which should be easy in this case. A full discography or list of bands can be added after acceptance of the article, so just get your key WP:secondary reliable sources that have WP:SIGCOV included. Quality is much more important in drafts than quantity. So you don't need a photograph of the artist but you must have a cited source for any facts about her. Some simple facts can be cited to WP:primary sources like her website but such sources don't establish notability. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Mike Turnbull Thank you for this feedback: everything I'm getting here is great guidance.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

1987atomheartbrother, I understand you might want to take a brief break which is understandable. I believe that the admin restored your material and mentioned that on your talk page. If I'm mistaken and you still need the material, you should turn on your email option in preferences and I will email you the contents. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Sphilbrick I think the material was restored, which I appreciate it. But I will make sure to have the email option turned on. I didn't realize it wasn't on. Thanks so much.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Redirect Creation

Hello, I wanted to redirect De Fem to Anna Cassel § De Fem but was blocked by the "Article Wizard", forcing me to create a draft (I assume this is not necessary for a simple redirect). I was wondering if there was any way around this or an alternative facility for creating them? Should I be able to do this as a new user? SmallJarsWithGreenLabels (talk) 11:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

You can create a re-direct page easily by searching for the name you want to give it and when the search wizard says "You may create the page "De Fem", but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered." you click on the red not-yet-present page and proceed. Note that you need to get the correct capitalisation in your search, so the redlink will be correct. The new redirect page just needs the code #REDIRECT [[Anna Cassel#De Fem]], which I'd do for you but the complication is that there are already redirects for De fem benspænd and De fem i fedtefadet (and maybe others), so I'm not sure what's best to do: a disambiguation page may be better. Someone more experienced than me will advise. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

P.S. SmallJarsWithGreenLabels. I see that you have a newly-created account, so you may have to wait until auto-confirmed before you can create the page yourself but as that will be trivial, I guess someone who has seen these Teahouse comments will do it if this seems sensible. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:57, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

SmallJarsWithGreenLabels Michael D. Turnbull I have created the redirect page, so that is all done. The other redirects containing De fem only had it as part of the title, so I decided that the best solution would be to go ahead with the redirect. Redtree21 (talk) 12:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. SmallJarsWithGreenLabels (talk) 12:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Reply on a Talk Page

I am having great difficulty in replying to a comment on a Talk Page. I have typed my comment and pressed PUBLISH but my reply seems to have gone into the ether. What am I doing wrong? BuffyO'B (talk) 12:50, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi BuffyO'B, could you please state what talk page you tried to edit? This will help us work out what the problem is. Redtree21 (talk) 12:55, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

How to reply to a comment on a Talk Page

redtree21 I am trying to reply to a comment on the Myles Moylan page. I have typed it and pressed PUBLISH but nothing happens. BuffyO'B (talk) 13:08, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@BuffyO'B: Your comments on that Talk page from 28 April are there OK[1] although you forgot to sign with four tildes ~~~~. If you are trying to add something else, I suggest you try again, as clearly everything is OK now here at the Teahouse (except you added a new section when you could have continued the existing one immediately above this one) Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:23, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Creating a page and adding a photo

I just made my first page for my relative who served in World War Two who was the most decorated Pilot in RAF Coastal Command in WW2 who is credited with sinking the first German U Boat of the War Mick Ensor DSO & Bar DFC & Bar and AFC

i have no idea how to add his photo to the article I have uploaded one already I just now have to atach it to the page somehow

any help would be appreciated

a photo of Maechel Anthony Ensor during WW2

 Bommer76 (talk) 13:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Bommer76, hello and welcome to the Teahouse! It would seem you already added the photo to the article you are talking about. You would also need to make sure to put a conflict of interest notice on your user page as you are a relative of the subject of the article! Let me know if you have any questions! Thank you and enjoy your stay here on Wikipedia! Heart ^(talk) 13:30, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I worry that there may also be a copyright issue. Where did you get the image from? The exif data says that it was taken in 2012, in which case you must have been copying an already-existing print. The copyright ownership of that work is its photographer, not you, except in certain special circumstances. Note also that when the article is submitted, you should use just the person's name for the title, not including his awards and preferably you should use inline citations (see WP:REFBEGIN). Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:38, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I have tagged the draft for deletion, because it has been copied and pasted from here [2] Theroadislong (talk) 16:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Finding appropriate sources

Hello, Yesterday, I submitted an article about a minor celebrity (folk singer/songwriter Kitty MacFarlane), which unfortunately wasn't accepted. Having read the advice helpfully left by the reviewer, I understand that the references I supplied are not to the standard required by Wikipedia. Unfortunately, I coudn;t find any sources which fit the requirements; almost everything available about this person is from reviews and articles about her music. Could anyone give me some advice about finding better sources? I would really like to get this article published, as there are a number of well-known folk artists lacking Wikipedia articles - something I'd like to help with. I would really appreciate any advise. H Henry Kingdon (talk) 14:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

This sounds like a case of WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 14:30, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

The person in question has been a prolific member of the folk revival community for over a decade. Surely, that's long enough for us to talk about them? Most modern musicians will mainly appear in article which discuss their work in terms of reviews. Are we unable to talk about them?

 Courtesy link: Draft:Kitty MacFarlane @Henry Kingdon: (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Per the reviewer, needs better refs. David notMD (talk) 16:34, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Henry Kingdon, and welcome to the Teahouse. You say "Surely, that's long enough for us to talk about them?" But that's not the question (the shortcut title TOOSOON may be misleading you). The question is "Have other people talked about them?" That is, have other people, unconnected with McFarlane, chosen to write about her and been published in reliable sources? If the answer is No, then it is indeed "too soon". Reviews in reliable sources can certainly be cited and used in an article - but if none of the reviews say much about the artist, then there is pretty well nothing that can go into the article. At present, not a single source in the draft is independent of her. While non-independent sources can be used in a limited way (see PRIMARY), they do not contribute to establishing notability, and should be only a small proportion of the sources. --ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Copyright on images

Hello! I have questions regarding image copyrights. If I found an image that is likely to have copyright problems, where do I make the report? Thank you! SunDawn (talk) 15:10, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:IMAGEHELP will be the place to start. - X201 (talk) 15:25, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Getting to outreach dashboard

I have difficulties finding the outreach dash board page please help ChabbieCee (talk) 15:12, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@ChabbieCee: Is this what you’re looking for? [[3]] TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC) talk:Timtempleton:Yes please thank you.

Link to Italian wiki

Can someone please explain to me why in this article the link to the corresponding Italian article doesn't show up even though the interlink is properly established in the wikidata repository? Tanonero (msg) 15:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Tanonero: Interwiki links aren't immedately updated when something is changed on wikidata, but rather from time to time via a job queue. You can use a purge to speed things up. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:35, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: Thanks a lot! --Tanonero (msg) 15:38, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I have adjusted the link to above. Shortcuts are a pain. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

My User Contributions when I am logged in generates no content only this message: "The filter provided no history matches"

When I am logged in to my account, I am no longer able to access the list of my Contributions. I can only access it if I am logged out. Is it possible I accidently added an edit filter when I recently visited my Preference page? Thanks. The Contributions option is so useful! Oceanflynn (talk) 16:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Oceanflynn, click the "Search for contributions" button to expand it if it is not already expanded. To check all the contributions, the 'User:' field should have your username, the 'Namespace' field should have 'all' selected, and rest all the fields and tickboxes should be empty. Then, click "search". See if this helps. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 12:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Are citations needed for Discography?

Is it essential to provide citations on a musical artist's discography section? Tamingimpala (talk) 16:43, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tamingimpala, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer appears to be Yes, but not necessarily inline. See WP:WikiProject Discographies/style#Citations and references. --ColinFine (talk) 17:32, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Sources review

Hi, could you please review the sources i have provided in my draft of "David Alaverdian" HaykInformation (talk) 17:17, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:David Alaverdian --ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, HaykInformation, and welcome to the Teahouse. The sources required to establish notability need to meet all three of the requirements of being reliably published, independent of the subject, and containing significant coverage of the subject. 1 may mor may not be reliable, but is almost certainly not independent, and does not contain significant coverage. 2 is a blog, which are hardly every regarded as reliable sources; 3 does not contain significant coverage. In short - you probably can't use 2 as a reference at all; 1 and 3 may be used as primary sources, to support uncontroversial factual information, as long as there are also suitable independent sources to establish him as notable. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

How to shrink a logo pic

I Need help to shrink a logo pic Where in the already published german wiki, the logo is correct dimensioned, on the en-wiki page (not yet published) it is to big. So I need Your help how to shrink the logo pic. See: [[4]] [[5]] [[6]]

Thanks in advance Stroth wiki (talk) 17:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Stroth wiki: Hello, and Welcome to the Teahouse. The |logo= param of Template:Infobox organisation expects a filename and an exitension only. If done this way, the infobox will automatically adjust the image to a fitting size, because this way the size of the image is dependent on the size of the infobox. So, for example, to use File:Example.jpg as a logo, one would type |logo=Example.jpg. I have changed this in User:Stroth_wiki/sandbox. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I see. The "centered" was an overdose. Thank You! --Stroth wiki (talk) 18:08, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Untitled signatuew without a question

 Alan Svirnovskiy (talk) 17:50, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Alan Svirnovskiy! You can make future test edits at Wikipedia:Sandbox or by creating your own personal sandbox, for instance at User:Alan Svirnovskiy/sandbox, to see how Wikipedia formatting works. — Bilorv (talk) 23:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

hello

just passing to say hi, im quite new to wikipedia so i would like some advice on how to edit properly.

thanks in advance. TheTankMan001 (talk) 18:04, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TheTankMan001. Try The Wikipedia Adventure. It is an interactive learning game. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

i already did but its quite basic though, anyways, thanks for the tip anyway. dojyannn, TheTankMan001 is here! (talk) 18:22, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

TheTankMan001 before I made my first Wikipedia edit I read dozens of Wikipedia articles – both the ones rated as good articles, and those that had tags stating problems needed fixing. (I chose subjects I was interested in, so that wasn't boring.) I looked at the references and figured out good sources vs. not reliable ones. After that, when I read an article that I felt could be improved, I knew where to look for good information, and how to write what I call the "bland, neutral" style. (I can't give my opinion, or use flowery language. As Sergeant Joe Friday used to say on Dragnet "just the facts".) I had to know what Wikipedia was all about before I could try to help out.

Best wishes on your upcoming editing adventures. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

thanks for the advice! dojyannn, TheTankMan001 is here! (talk) 00:30, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

help

need help with making my article compliant with wikipedia guideline Antranjay singh (talk) 18:27, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Antranjay singh, hello and welcome, if you are referencing your draft article on the politician, then unfortunately no, it is not possible right now for anyone to help you (pertaining their notability status) as they fail to meet our general notability criteria and out notability criteria for politicians. See WP:GNG and WP:NPOL respectively. Celestina007 (talk) 19:19, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Antranjay singh: generally, candidates for office aren't notable - if he wins election to a state or national legislative district, he's notable though. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:01, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Race and intelligence help

On this page Race and intelligence there are errors "harvp error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFNisbettAronsonBlairDickens2012a" does anyone know how to fix this? Thank you! QuantumRealm (meow • telescope) 19:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi QuantumRealm. That reference is listed in full twice in the text. To use harv references the full reference must be listed only once. Put one copy in the Bibliography section and remove the other one. See Template:Harvard citation no brackets. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Table appears under next subheading

I tried adding a table to the following page "2021 Belarusian Premier League" It is entitled "Managerial Changes". For some reason, the table appears below the "League Table" subheading below it, and I can't figure out why. Barnasj (talk) 22:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I tried adding a table to the following page "2021 Belarusian Premier League" It is entitled "Managerial Changes". For some reason, the table appears below the "League Table" subheading below it, and I can't figure out why. Barnasj (talk) 23:02, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Barnasj, it appears that a curly bracket was missing at the end of the table syntax. It should be fixed now. – NJD-DE (talk) 23:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Actor Jose Perez

I've been trying to write a page about the character actor Jose Perez and it keeps being rejected. I sincerely believe I've thoroughly documented his career and shown it's notability and I don't want to submit and be rejected again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jose_Perez_(actor) I'm hoping someone here can help me understand what the problem is so I can fix it. Perrydigm (talk) 00:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Perrydigm, welcome to the Teahouse! Articles on Wikipedia have to be written from a WP:NPOV, not like a article in the New York Times. There is a standard for neutrality that articles must meet.

Second, a lot of the sources are not reliable or do not contribute to notability. Almost all of the references are from some list of stuff, which doesn't demonstrate notability. For some of the other ones, notability isn't established by a passing mention unfortunately. Then there is the fandom.com citation, which is not reliable, as it is also a Wiki. You should read the general notability guidelines.

Also, a little secret: It's much easier to start on Wikipedia with something small. A new article is very, very hard to accomplish. I would recommend starting with smaller tasks such as copy edit or categorization. There is a list of tasks at WP:TASKCENTER. I, personally, started with commenting out unused list defined references. Trust me, it's much easier to start this way. Most, if not all, of the editors you see here today had beginnings doing basic copy edit, and some still do now. Thank you for reading this!Sungodtemple a tcg fan!!1!11!! (talk) 01:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Well thank you Sungodtemple, but A)I am not just starting here. I have created two new articles in the past, so I am not unaware of the criteria or the difficulty. I just seem to be having particular trouble convincing reviewers they are being met for this one. And B) I'm not sure how to make the point that the productions he performed in received excellent reviews (which I document with references) from a more Neutral POV. They were good reviews. That's not neutral.

C)The notability criteria for entertainers are:

"Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions."

He acted in eighteen 'big-screen' movies, which between them won 2 Emmys, 3 Golden Globes and were nominated for 2 Oscars and 3 more Golden Globes. I think that constitutes "multiple" and the Emmys and GoldenGlobes would seem to indicate notability. And he was in the principle cast for two different TV shows. That is a "significant role".

"Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following."

I can't attest to his personal following, but at least one of the films he acted in is considered a "cult classic".

"Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment."

I can't attest to "unique" or "innovative" personal contributions, but many of the productions he performed in were certainly groundbreaking (Steambath, The Way of The Gun, Eastside Westside).

What I think is indisputable, however is that his contributions have been "prolific". How can anybody possibly argue that over 980 performances on Broadway, over 400 performances off-Broadway, dozens of television episodes in ten different TV series, including one in which he had second-billing and appeared in every episode (On the Rocks), as he did in Calucci's Department (where he got third billing) and eighteen 'big-screen' movies isn't "prolific"?

Is there some doubt as to whether he actually acted in all these productions? Is there some way to more "reliably" document his participation in all those productions that would be more persuasive? There aren't a whole lot of sources other than IMDB, etc. for this sort of information that I'm aware of. What am I missing?

Perrydigm a sad fact of life is that a lot of online sources aren't considered reliable, including the Internet Movie Database. I've written articles about actors, and editors come along after the article's been published and remove my occasional IMDd reference. Try to find published-in-book-form reliable references. And even though you love Calucci's Department, just say Jose Perez was in it, not that it was and much-beloved but ill-fated show. Here's a reference I found for you:

Perez played Ramon Gonzales in Calucci's Department.(use proper referencing format) Tim Brooks and Earle Marsh, The Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and TV Shows 1946 – Present, Ballantine Books, 1979, page 98.

You referenced a New York Times article about the show. Nice article, but Perez isn't mentioned in it, so it doesn't help him to be notable. If you have a local library that's now open, and it has a good reference book section, try to find books listing Perez's movie roles. For each one you find there's a good reference source.

It seems to be important to you to say that The Way of the Gun is a cult classic, but if that hinders you getting a neutral-tone article accepted, just write that Perez was in the film, and find a good reference that says so.

I'm a published author, and I like to be creative, and to let people know my opinions of certain things. But I can't do that on Wikipedia. I keep everything neutral, and if I ever write that something's considered excellent, then I'm giving a direct quote from a reliable published source. It is difficult for me to write a good Wikipedia article, because it often takes me six or more months to find good references. But if I want to have a good online source of information on a subject that's important to me I don't publish the article until I'm confident everything in it will pass muster with most reviewing editors. Best wishes in editing your draft article. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:49, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very very much Karenthewriter!

I think I get it now, though I have to admit I think it's pretty bizarre that something that is clearly fact (like that he was in all those productions) is rejected because of technicalities of of the reference process. I mean it's not like clips of him performing are not currently viewable on YouTube! It seems like a Kafkaesque version of "if a tree falls in the forest and isn't properly documented, it didn't actually fall", even if the tree is lying directly in front of the questioner...

Just for the record, it's not that I'm actually all that big of a fan of Calucci's Department. I originally started doing this because I went looking for info on the actor who played "God" in Steambath, and realized as I looked into it that there was something of a theme to his work, i.e. that he fairly consistently, played significant but non-top-billed roles in shows that got great reviews, but were consistently ridiculously unlucky and Calucci is just the epitome of that (placed in a time-slot up against Sanford & Son during a season when there was a writers strike, lol!).

Well, whatever, I really appreciate the explanation (and the extra citation!)!

Get my article reviewed

I have written an article on the current political situation of the Amhara ethnic group in Ethiopia. There is a waiting period of 5 months before it could be reviewed. It would be nice if someone could review it before that. Here is the link to the draft article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Amhara_Massacre

Thanks, KeyBaher (talk) 03:44, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, KeyBaher. It could take up to five months or it could be sooner. Each reviewer decides which drafts they want to evaluate, and the highest quality drafts tend to get reviewed sooner. Your draft is about a massacre but does not give the date of the event in the opening sentence. Correct that. The victims were from the Amhara people and you should link to that article. Link also to the major places mentioned in your draft, and the organizations involved. Your article begins with describing one specific massacre but then goes on to describe a variety of related incidents, including several that took place earlier. Consider restructuring the draft to a more chronogical narrative. In conclusion, the best thing you can do is to keep improving the draft, making it closer and closer to a halfway decent encyclopedia article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:37, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Los Angeles Philharmonic Institute

Adding Carolyn Waters Broe to Notable Alumni

I am wondering if anyone in Wikipedia: Teahouse is talented at making additions to articles? I was a violist in the Los Angles Philharmonic Institute Orchestra the very first year in the summer of 1982 under the direction of Leonard Bernstein. It was an amazing experience that I will never forget! Bernstein was absolutely inspiring. I worked with several top celebrity conductors that summer and many of the conducting associates as well. I became the Conductor and Artistic Director of the Four Seasons Orchestra of Scottsdale, Arizona, and the Principal Violist of the Scottsdale Philharmonic. Bernstein helped me to understand the importance of communication with the orchestra members as a conductor. The URL of the LA Philharmonic Institute article is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Philharmonic_Institute. The URL of the Wikipedia article on me is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Waters_Broe. There are pictures of me talking to conductor Christopher Hogwood and working with the Principal Violist of the Los Angeles Philharmonic Jan Halinka. He has long since passed away. I was a student of LA Philharmonic violist Jerry Epstein in the mid-1970s at UC Irvine, CA, who passed away a couple of summers ago after forty-three years with them! It is possible that there is a program in the LA Philharmonic Archives from 1982 with my name listed as Carolyn Broe https://www.laphil.com/about/la-phil/archives-services.

Thank you for your help. Carolyn 98.161.141.134 (talk) 04:10, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Carolyn. I see another editor has now added your name to the article.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Get my article reviewed

I have an article for BGYO's new song entitled He's Into Her, it was moved to draft space almost a month ago. Is it possible to review my article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:He%27s_Into_Her_(BGYO_song) Thank you and best regards. Troy26Castillo (talk) 08:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

The backlog of 5,000+ drafts is not a queue. Reviewers pick what they want to review next. Could be days, weeks, or (sadly) months. Teahouse hosts are not necessarily also reviewers. David notMD (talk) 10:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Troy26Castillo This is the second time you created a draft for a song by BGYO very shortly after the songs' release date (see The Light (BGYO song). And you are extremely knowledgeable about small details. Similar situation for the article about the group BGYO and an article about the launch of the band Be The Light: The BGYO Launch. (Really? An article about the band's launch, separate from the article about the band?) What, if any, are your connections to the group? If paid, that information belongs on your User page. David notMD (talk) 10:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: Hello sir, regarding this matter, I am only a fan but I am not paid in doing these articles. I don't have any connections with them personally even with the management. It saddens me reading your comment sir. Because I am not earning in doing these things. That is why, I don't understand why there is comment in the article of being undisclosed paid. And also sir, if there were things that I need to improve in the article I am revising it to make it better. But, please sir don't say that I am being paid for this. I respect your opinion sir. Thank you also. Troy26Castillo (talk) 12:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: With all due respect, but let me inform you sir that I have nothing to disclosed because I am not paid in doing this article. Why I am being accused of something which I haven't done in the first place. Troy26Castillo (talk) 13:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Asking an editor if they have a personal connection or are in a paid relationship is a common, near-standard question to ask editors who appear to have a single purpose. For the four articles I named (the group, the launch of the group, the two songs - all of which you created), and in addition for Pinoy pop and 2021 in Philippine music you had made between 500 and 1000 edits about BGYO. My query was rational. I see that on your User page you have added a declaration of not PAID, which was the appropriate thing to do. It leaves not answered whether you have any personal connection to the music group, which would fall under conflict-of-interest. David notMD (talk) 15:14, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: Sir, I don't have any personal connection with any of the articles and edits i did here in Wikipedia. I also mentioned it on my user page. But, still I have to be thankful for you in this reminder. At least I know these things now. Lastly, just to be clear I am not connected personally with them or with any articles i did here.Troy26Castillo (talk) 16:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD:And also, to be clear, I am not the creator of the group article, I only edit and add inputs, for clarification only sir.Troy26Castillo (talk) 16:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I am corrected. User:SenyorOtter created BGYO on 1 Feb. You began editing it 3 Feb. And I see that you have added a no conflict of interest declaration on your User page. David notMD (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

User page

Are IP users allowed to create userpages? If not, why? 89.80.238.24 (talk) 09:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi there 89.80. IPs are allowed to have user pages, however as IP users can't create accounts, they generally don't. It's much better to create an account as, technically, IP addresses are not people and simply numerical values. This means a user page could be yours one day and not be if you have a dynamic IP. As IP signatures also link to your contributions page, it is likely that having a user page will not have much merit. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 10:49, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for answering my question 89.80.238.24 (talk) 10:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

IP's cannot create userpages. If somebody else creates the page then they can edit it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:14, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

My rejected edits involved patents belonging to Jet Black, of the Stranglers Rock Band. The other edit was in connection with the Underwater Wheelchair. by Sue Austin.

I have tried to make edits in connection with two people who I have worked for. They are both still alive, and I worked on their patents, and got them granted. Because I did not know how to edit, I finished up being "told off" for editing, and the edits were removed. How I can edit properly, so that my edits are not removed. The first edit was in connection with the patent which I worked on for Jet Black, of the Stranglers Rock Band. The other was in connection with the Underwater Wheelchair, invented by by Sue Austin. I placed my website on both edits. Was that OK? I can give you my further details if required. This question is in response to the email I received from Wikipedia. Creativeinventor (talk) 12:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Creativeinventor: welcome to the Teahouse. Since you have a connection to these people, and since it is your own website you are adding, you should avoid making those edits yourself. Instead, you should place an edit request on the talk pages of the articles (Talk:Jet Black and Talk:Sue Austin respectively). To place an edit request, place the text {{edit request}} (including the curly brackets) on the talk page, and below that, describe the change you would like to make to the article. There is a step-by-step description of how to do it on this page.

If you are being compensanted in any way for your edits, you also need to disclose that: more information about how you do that here. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 12:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Both articles state that the subject have a patent, with a reference to the patents in question. Your first person addition ("I am pleased to be able to say that I worked with Sue on the preparation of the Patent...") does not belong in the articles. The only way you could be mentioned by name is if there is a publication not connected to you, i.e., not your website, that states that you were a contributor to the patent application processes. David notMD (talk) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

****ATTENTION ADMIN****

I have submitted a request for IMMEDIATE Username change from Joseph.M.Novotny31 to "The Messenger". This is a THEOLOGICAL philosophical document that will be looked at by many scholars and the likes. This was a VIOLATION of my philosophy and goes against the message. Please remove my screw up immediately as the thread is locked for me.Joseph.M.Novotny31 (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC) Joseph.M.Novotny31 (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

We don't accept theological or philosophical treatises. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 13:53, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph.M.Novotny31: To change your user name, you need to follow the procedure described on this page. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 13:59, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

The username User:The Messenger is already taken. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:02, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

If your purpose is to make something like what is on your userpage into a WP-article, that is unlikely to be possible per WP:FORUM. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:57, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

question about a draft

hi, I am working on a draft for the page of Gustavo Ruben Valenzuela, how do I submit it for review? Michele Santana Italiano (talk) 16:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Michele Santana Italiano, and welcome to the Teahouse. You appear to have submitted it for review seven minutes before the question above, so I'm a bit puzzled. Anyway, it is now in the pile for review (it is not a queue); but at present it has zero chance of being accepted, because it has no references at all - please see REFB - and so does not establish notability. It is possible that some of the links you have put as "external links" will work as references, but since you have presented them in a way that does not show any useful information about them, I can't tell without going into them. I also note that your language is not neutral or encyclopaedic: "carries with pride his father's name" is inappropriate, as is "grew with that feeling that there was a huge world to be discovered and explored". Remember that a Wikipedia article is not in any way for the benefit of the subject, and Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Michele Santana Italiano: the draft User:Michelesantanna/sandbox/GustavoRubenValenzuela appears to be a copy of a profile at [7]. I have thus marked it for speedy deletion. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. – NJD-DE (talk) 18:23, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Where is the Proper Area for Talking about Fictional Character Notability

So I have a problem with a draft, mixed of notable and not notable fictional characters. Where is the proper page for talking about their notability? Starting to Hate Noelle (Needs Zhongli Too Bad or Hapith is NOT Taiwan's ballistic missile ) 16:32, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ahthga Yram, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your signature is disruptive, and you should change it immediately. If you want to discuss the appropriateness of the characters, there is probably an appropriate WP:WikiProject, but since Draft:List of Genshin Impact characters (which I assume you're talking about) does not even indicate what medium this is, or bother to wikilink the title, I'm not inclined to go looking for one for you. --ColinFine (talk) 16:59, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine. I'm focusing on a broad range of topics (my purpose), not that one. Starting to Hate Noelle (Needs Zhongli Too Bad or Hapith is NOT Taiwan's ballistic missile ) 01:12, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:NFICTION may have something helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Missing Information

I have found 4 different items that are missing. Since I have never updated a page, I was hoping someone else could make these updates.

On the page for Dec 1, the death of Ken Berry in the year 2018 is missing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Berry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_1

On the page for Feb 1, the death of Heather O'Rourke in the year 1988 is missing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_O%27Rourke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_1

On the page for Nov 11, the birth of John Reilly in the year 1934 is missing. On the page for Jan 9, the death of John Reilly in the year 2021 is missing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reilly_(actor,_born_1934)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_9 Beatles777! (talk) 16:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Ken Berry  Done --ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Heather O'Rourke  Done --ColinFine (talk) 17:14, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

And I've added Reilly's death to Jan 9, but I've not added his birth, because I am not satisfied that we have a reliable source for his birthday. Almost all the sources are obituaries, most of them originally seem to have reported his age as 84, and one of them said that they got his birth date from Wikipedia. Only one of them (USA Today) seems to have his birthdate, and I suspect that they got that from Wikipedia, and originally said 1936 just as Wikipedia did until 11 January.

Thank you for pointing these out, Beatles777!. --ColinFine (talk) 17:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Fake sources and own website sources

Can some one edit the 'Social activism' section in the article Vanathi Srinivasan. A good amount of content is not in the source and some are from her own website. I can't edit because it is locked. 2409:4072:895:BC96:2B0A:3E7F:383:ED0A (talk) 16:53, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Please make an edit request on the article's talk page, specifying precisely what changes you think should be made. --ColinFine (talk) 17:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

How to get help from other editors on pages with biased contributors?

Hi - I'm noticing a few pages, like Mark Twitchell (a page for a serial killer, who someone keeps describing as an "artist"), Yogi Bhajan, and others. The Yogi Bhajan page now has a "conflict of interest" warning. Are there other means to prevent this kind of biased editing?

 Cisternet (talk) 17:22, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cisternet. Mark Twitchell is not a serial killer although he may have wanted to be. He murdered one person, and tried to kill a second person. The article focuses almost entirely on his crimes, and I do not see him described as an artist currently. The other article is Harbhajan Singh Khalsa, and its talk page has extensive discussions of conflict of interest. It is a messy and sad story. In all cases, the place to begin discussion of problems with an article is the talk page of the article. There are many forms of dispute resolution available. Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard may be of interest to you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

 Cullen328 (talk) 17:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC) Hi - good point - not a serial killer, rather convicted murderer. His page doesn't currently say "artist", because I removed it today - twice. The same editor, who has no about page, keeps adding it back.

reinstating deleted categories (Asian American librarians)

I'm looking for advice around procedures and etiquette for requesting a category be reinstated.

The situation: the category "Asian American librarians" was nominated for deletion in December 2020. I don't think there was a clear consensus to change the category based on that discussion, but it was nonetheless revised to "American librarians of Asian descent," a container category with currently two subcategories: "American librarians of Japanese descent" and "American librarians of Chinese descent". Unfortunately, another subcategory, "American librarians of Korean descent," was nominated for deletion in January 2021 and subsequently deleted. I don't understand how a container category can be maintained with integrity if the subcategories are deleted.

The rationale for maintaining this occupation + ethnicity category is best demonstrated by the existence since 1980 of an organization dedicated to serving the needs of this group, the Asian Pacific American Librarians Association. This is a category that would be difficult to replicate via queries, since a query would need to include the intersection of Asian Americans and multiple Pacific Islander American identities (for example, American Samoan librarians, Native Hawaiian librarians, etc., etc.). Despite the invocation of WP:OCEGRS, this is not a "trivial" intersection to the members of this group! There are currently at least 13 articles in Wikipedia that should be brought together by an "Asian American librarians" category.

My questions: Does the Wikipedia:Deletion review process also work for categories? I only see information about the deletion of pages there. I see that I need to "inform the editor who closed the deletion discussion" as part of the deletion review process, but does that mean the discussion of the original change to a container category, or the discussion of the deletion of the subcategory "American librarians of Korean descent"? The original change from a standalone category to a container category sets these subcategories up for frequent deletion discussions, as the numbers in subcategories such as "Micronesian American librarians" will always be challenged by WP:SMALL, so I think this situation needs to be reviewed as a whole. I appreciate any help! Skvader (talk) 17:39, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Where to get a second opinion?

I have no idea how to deal with Awad Haj Ali, I've raised the problem in the talk page, but what come next? I'm not confident enough on my understanding of the rules to delete content, and I feel like this could go against WP:AGF. Obviously by asking the question I raise attention on the article to get a second opinion, but my understanding is that this is not the place to ask this. So my question is: is there a place where I can ask for a second opinion? 37.164.187.165 (talk) 18:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello 37.164, good question. I recommend reading WP:BLP, WP:BOLD and WP:BRD. WP:BLPN may be the place to ask next. Since WP has millions of articles and thousands of active editors, many talkpages (and articles) have few if any watchers, but they are the place to start, like you did. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I see that there have been two edits to reduce a lot of extraneous information, so that looks much better. I have two thoughts: One, the user appears to have a close connection (and therefore more prone to promotional content) and most of the information is not cited. I am going to take a look at whether I can find sources - and if not remove uncited content.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:56, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks for drawing our attention to this. I've removed almost all of the content because we don't list indiscriminate information and none of it was the sort of thing usually considered important enough to mention (except that a short "Selected publications" section of maybe 5-10 of the most important publications could reintroduce some of the "Publications" section). Once you get more confident, you can make such changes unilaterally. I think, unfortunately, the page creator was likely Ali himself or someone else with a conflict of interest as the editor has no contributions outside this topic. But Ali does look notable at a first impression.

To grab more attention, you've found one method (asking at the Teahouse) and I'm agreed with Gråbergs Gråa Sång that WP:BLPN (the biography of living persons noticeboard) is likely the best venue for this. Sometimes there would be an active WikiProject if you're looking for subject specialists (like if it was military history-related, I'd go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history because I know there are a lot of experienced editors there). The key is to remember you've asked the question (maybe make a note of it) and ask somewhere else if you don't get a response where you post initially. — Bilorv (talk) 18:59, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

If there's an admin looking at this, please consider blocking User:Zeinab mandour from editing the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:20, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Zeinab mandour has made another revision of the article. She made the last one after receiving the {{uw-3rr}} message. I also posted the {{connected contributor}} on the article talk page. I have not asked for a block in some time, where is the best place to do that?–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:45, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done I figured it out.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Michie Tavern - Pronunciation

I took a stab at adding pronunciation for Michie Tavern, based on a tag on the article asking for pronunciation. I used an online tool to create the IPA format + added text about how Michie is pronounced "Mickey" from a source. I looked at Help:IPA and {{IPA}}, but I am not at all sure that I have it right:

• code in article: (Pron: "Mickey" {{ipa|/mɪtʃɪ tævɚn/}})
• what it looks like to readers: (Pron: "Mickey" /mɪtʃɪ tævɚn/)

Can someone help me out? Thanks so much! –CaroleHenson (talk) 18:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

That looks a little contradictory to me. The English pronunciation of "Mickey" is /mɪkɪ/, without a /tʃ/ sound. Where is the source on the pronunciation of "Michie Tavern"? I don't think "tavern" needs to be transcribed in IPA, it is a common enough word in English. --bonadea contributions talk 19:10, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Bonadea Oh, thanks so much. If I change it then to (Pron: {{ipa|/mɪkɪ/}}), does that work?

The source I used was this one. I am a total newbee, there may be better sources.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

No, Bonadea and CaroleHenson, "Mickey" isn't /mɪkɪ/ but instead /ˈmɪki/. The thing that looks like an apostrophe (but isn't one) shows that the first syllable is the stressed one; and note that the two vowels are given different letters (because they're different vowels). Help:IPA/English is pretty good, but its section on dialect variation is (necessarily) long and hard to navigate; I think it's better to go straight to International Phonetic Alphabet chart for English dialects. I don't know how "Michie" is pronounced; if it rhymes with "itchy", then /ˈmɪt͡ʃi/. Incidentally, if there's ever a complication in writing IPA, you might ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. -- Hoary (talk) 00:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh, thanks so much! Michie is pronounced like "Mickey" it said in one source. Great to know about the reference desk!–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:28, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

What do you do at the treehouse?

 Rocky the conure (talk) 19:17, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rocky the conure: Experienced editors answer questions new editors may have about using or editing Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Re answer from Tenyruu: almost always with patience, politeness and a desire to help new editors do good work. Thank you T. Brunswicknic (talk) 03:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Arsha Aghdasi

Hello; I rewrite my references got inspired from other Iranian’s pages and now I think it’s reliable enough as I use news sites. Can you please re-review it and accept it if possible. I’ll thank you forever🙏🏽. Atena ak2 (talk) 19:40, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Created section title. Article in question is Draft:Arsha Aghdasi. David notMD (talk) 19:47, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Atena ak2 While a few Teahouse hosts are also reviewers, asking here does not move a draft to a faster review. You have resubmitted the draft after addressing the comments of the declining reviewer. All you can do now is wait. David notMD (talk) 11:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

new editor/seeking to clarify Derik Chauvin lead

I am new..I`m trying to clarify something in the Derek Chauvin article..I`m not trying to edit it I`m just trying to point out what I see as an obvious grammatical error in the first sentence which reads Derick Chauvin he is an " American former police officer " which I believe is grammatically incorrect and should read " former American police officer "... I`m not trying to prove a point or offend anyone it just appears to me to be grammatically incorrect. That being said I have no desire to edit any Wikipedia article..I`ve pointed out something that seems obvious however the editors seem to have a problem with it and as far as I can tell this is non controversial and should be viewed accordingly..is there anyway to fix this ? thanks Forrestgump420 (talk) 20:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Forrestgump420 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't see in your contribution history where you proposed such an edit on Talk:Derek Chauvin. 331dot (talk) 20:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I suppose Forrestgump420 proposed that change as an IP at Talk:Derek_Chauvin#First_Sentence_2 when he didn't have an account yet. The article's talk page is the right venue for such a discussion, but it appears there is no consensus for the proposed change.– NJD-DE (talk) 20:30, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

This is my account..I don`t generally log in as I don`t generally edit articles although I do sometimes edit talk pages..if you read the paragraph I`m talking about that is me suggesting making the change Forrestgump420 (talk) 21:37, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Forrestgump420, as I read it, your proposed edit says that Chauvin has lost his American citizenship as well as his police job. That is both incorrect and misleading, so I would oppose your change. Chauvin is still an American citizen. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:56, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Cullen. "American former police officer" suggests that he's American, and was once a police officer. "Former American police officer" suggests that he's still a police officer but has emigrated. Maproom (talk) 07:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Broken Code?

Check out Template:Proposal where the shortcut is not properly shown. Or is it like that? Interesting Geek (talk) 21:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Templates often don't display correctly on their own documentation pages, Interesting Geek, because either the necessary parameters or relevant magic words aren't present. If you look at a page that transcludes the template, such as WP:Days of the year/Holidays and observances it is displayed properly. --ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Bug report

I have a sort of visual bug I want to report that appears in the android app when reading articles. Where is the right place to report this stuff? I noticed this bug while looking at the German version of the "Deaths in 2021" page, but I've noticed it on other pages since. The problem is that I'm using the dark mode which makes all the text white. In some tables however, every other row has a white background. Despite that, the text stays white, making it practically invisible. If you could tell me where to report this problem, or explain to me why it's not a problem at all and I'm just stupid, either ne would be apprechiated :D VonFuzzius (talk) 22:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

My initial take is that this may be more of a device issue than a Wikipedia issue, but I found Wikipedia talk:Mobile communication bugs. Perhaps you could take it there.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:20, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, VonFuzzius. I edit with Android smartphones 99+% of the time, and I use the fully functional desktop site. In my opinion, the Android app is buggy and not fully functional. If I was the King of Wikipedia, I would shut it down. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Personal attacks (by calling names and describing bad on editors)

If an editor called names (ex. abusive) on other editors, it will be assumed as WP:NPA issue? BTW, if describing an editor bad, it is a NPA issue?  ----Rdp060707|talk 02:12, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

If an editor abuses another editor, it's a personal attack. Bad editors exist. If I call one of them a "bad editor", with a satisfactory explanation, this isn't abuse and isn't a personal attack. -- Hoary (talk) 02:38, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Surfacing problems

What should I do if I visit a page and find something lacking in it? How do I surface this to the rest? Lelojello (talk) 02:36, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

You ask two questions. I don't know what the second means, because I don't know what you mean by "surface". Perhaps you could rephrase it. As for the first one, if something is lacking in an article and you can provide reliable, independent, published sources for it, then normally you can either add it to the article or suggest on the article's talk page that it should be added to the article. (Exceptions include trivia and material that's potentially libelous.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:42, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I presume the meaning is to gain the attention of others, in which case you would use templates. Zoozaz1 talk 12:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

redirect the old page to a new page

How do I redirect the old page to a new page, as the old name is not in use anymore? Nandivarman (talk) 05:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Greetings Nandivarman,

it seems like you wanted to delete the contents of the article Pallar, and have it redirect to Devendrakula Velalar. While I believe you have been acting in good faith based on this news by The Hindu, your action was a bit too bold: The news said that several groups like the Pallar would now be grouped under a new name; but that doesn't mean that the subgroup doesn't exist any more. Simply deleting the content from that article removes information from Wikipedia that others might find helpful – even if it isn't up-to-date. We are not a newspaper, and e.g. you would probably not suggest we delete the article about the Pala Empire, and have it redirect to India, simply because the Pala empire is no more?

You could seek consensus to merge the two articles, thus keeping the information. If that succeeds, you can come back here and ask about redirects if you still need help :) --LordPeterII (talk) 10:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

This would be helpful.

Hi everyone, I am new to the wikipedia community. As you guys might know recently India became the worst-hit country by Covid-19 so I decided to create a new page having a compilation of resources because wikipedia is a collaborative platform so the list can be expanded but As a user pointed out it was contrary to purpose of wikipedia. So can anyone suggest other wiki's which may provide the appropriate platform. Thanking You in Advance. Ihcookies (talk) 05:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Ihcookies! Welcome to Wikipedia! Could you elaborate more on what you meant by compilation of resources? What kind of resources are we talking about? Cheers! SunDawn (talk) 05:41, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I think, they are talking about Draft:List of COVID-19 Resources India, which was rejected. --Maresa63 ^Talk 06:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the Reply SunDawn and Maresa63 Actually it was a list of various Government and NGO's websites and helplines of various states which are helping people to find hospitals and oxygen cylinders. Condition here is truly horrifying. Don't want to panic you though. I wanted to help the people in need as wikipedia is a wiki i.e it is collaborative so the article can grow But I am now aware that such articles are not meant for wikipedia. So can you suggest any other wiki which may allow such info to be shared it's okay if none are available I may find other ways to help by such as by making a blog.

Thanks

Yes Maresa63 That's the article...Ihcookies (talk) 06:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Ihcookies personally I find it very noble of you, to do such a thing, and I hope, you find a place on social media, where you can post it. --Maresa63 ^Talk 08:03, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words Maresa63. Alright guess I will take the help of social media. Thanks for replying. Have a beautiful day. Also thanks to SunDawn.

Ihcookies (talk) 08:30, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Not sure why addition to article was not published--have not had problem before

I have twice attempted to add neutral, cited information to the Wikipedia article titled, Society of Classical Poets. My text did not appear and I do not understand why . . . what did I do wrong? Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you. Birdofparadise3 (talk) 06:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Birdofparadise3, you have never edited Society of Classical Poets. You have twice edited Talk:Society of Classical Poets: your first edit added content which you may have intended for the article itself, your second placed your signature at the top of the page. Maproom (talk) 07:17, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

For the content you appear to want to add to the article, a Wikipedia article cannot be used as a reference in a Wikipedia article. You will need a different ref for A.M. Jester. When you add content to the article, do not add your signature, as signing is for Talk pages. David notMD (talk) 11:15, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Category deletion

How are categories deleted? How is it possible on WP when it is not possible on Fandom wikis? Firestar464 (talk) 06:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Template:Firestar464, I suspect it's possible on Fandom wikis. Maybe normal editors there don't have the power to delete them? Maproom (talk) 07:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

FANDOM user here! Categories are deleted by either removing themselves at the bottom of a page, or removing templates that adds them into the page, this was originally a question here, but the original poster seek further clarification here. I need to state this again, FANDOM and Wikipedia are different, especially because FANDOM uses an outdated version of MW and Wikipedia has it's own extensions. Cheers ~ Headquarter8302 a.k.a Mark 125.167.115.35 (talk) 07:35, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Maproom, I'm talking about admins there. Firestar464 (talk) 07:40, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Firestar464, then you should ask at Fandom. -- Hoary (talk) 07:46, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

The reason I'm asking here is that I'm wondering why admins here can delete categories when admins there can't. Firestar464 (talk) 07:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Different websites, different software. I don't think we can help you further. This page is for help with using and editing Wikipedia.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I'll ignore the "there", as Shantavira suggests. As for the "here" and the "why", categories need to be deleted, and I suppose that it was decided years ago that deleting them wasn't something so drastic that a mere administrator shouldn't be entrusted with it. For the "here" and the "how", when administrators view a category, one section of their menu, titled "Edit", lists four options, of which one is "Delete". Suppose I sleepily/drunkenly/stupidly delete a category. Doing this doesn't affect anything belonging to that category, other than changing the color of the link to the now-deleted category. I (or anyone else) can simply re-create the stupidly deleted category, whereupon everything works as it did before my stupid deletion. -- Hoary (talk) 09:38, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

So you're saying that if you drunkenly delete a cat and visit the link, there will be nothing in it? Firestar464 (talk) 10:29, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

For a certain value of "nothing", see for example Category:Wikipedians with red-linked categories on their user talk page. "Nothing" as in what you see when you visit a redlink. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:47, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Firestar464: I'm not aware of any relevant technical differences between Wikipedia and Fandom in deleting categories. A page is removed from a category by removing the category code from the page. See Help:Category#Putting pages into categories. A category page is deleted by administrators like other pages. Pages will be shown in the category whether or not there is a category page. MediaWiki does not have a method to remove all pages from a category without editing them one at a time. The English Wikipedia has a bot which can be requested to remove a category from all the pages when the category is deleted. I don't know whether Fandom wikis have such bots. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:46, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

A to B to A to......

If article A redirects to article B, which redirects to article A, what will happen? ExclusiveEditor (talk) 09:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

IIRC only the first redirect will work, so you will end up at page B. You could try this out yourself wth a couple of sandboxes.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:04, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

This would be a looping redirect/infinite redirect. If it exists (outside of an example page) then you might want to fix it. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:26, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

An article I think is getting into Wikia/fandom territory

Hey all.

There is an article - I won't name just yet - which I suspect is veering into Wikia/fandom territory rather than Wikipedia 'standard'. What's the best way to deal with this: message editors en masse? Highlight it on a noticeboard somewhere? I'm wary of where my intervention might go, because if it results in an AfD or similar I fear for the dominoes it might push over, but all the same, it's got all the signs of a page being used as a blog/CRUFT-adjacent article and that has started to get out of hand. Thanks x doktorb _words^deeds 12:03, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Put it on the talk page first. ♔MEisSCAMMER^talkcontribs 12:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Translating

What are the rules on translating? How do I do it? When you translate it do you have to change and add stuff or can you just fix minor grammar mistakes and leave it as it is on the foriegn page? Thanks for the help, Article in question is https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri-Nicolas_Frey. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 12:58, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

ONe of the main rules is to not use a machine translation. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:00, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gandalf the Groovy: See Help:Translation for more information. Many of the articles here have been translated from other-language Wikipedias. Some important things to keep in mind are to make sure that the subject meets the English Wikipedia's notability guidelines, that your translated article is supported by reliable, independent sources, and that you properly attribute the original source by following the instructions at Help:Translation#License requirements. Since you are already extended-confirmed, you may also be interested in trying out the content translation tool. DanCherek (talk) 13:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Possible Stupid Question

This is probably a stupid question but I feel like I need to know the answer. How much ^[Humor]wood could a woodchuck chuck of my knowledge from Fandom/Gamepedia/Wikia/whatever they call themself now is going to be useful here? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:05, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Also not the entire question is humorous. Just that one little strikethrough part. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, as it goes, Wikipedia is really everything Wikia is not, if I understand the latter correctly. Wikia allows for much more WP:CRUFT and fandom theories with little to no citations or proof, and the templates are different (or not loaded into the background so don't function.). If you want to run wild creating articles for the hell of it, that's not Wikipedia. If you want to make every character in Show X important enough for stand-alone articles and theories, that's not Wikipedia either. doktorb _words^deeds 13:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I do actually understand all of that. What I mean was my experience editing on Fandom. I know that the rules are very different on Wikipedia compared to Fnadom but I feel like the editing process is similar (what I mean is how you edit articles). Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:23, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Is this article still a stub?

This article was a atub and I added content. So is this still a stub and how big should an article be to not be a stub? Excellenc1 (talk) 13:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

This is kind of a question with no direct answer. There is no specific size an article has to reach in order to not be a stub. Another host can explain this a bit more than I can. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

This user, DigiCloudPOS, has seemingly been advertising his user page. I changed the page to a draft. What should we do? From Burgundian Feudalism (talk) From Burgundian Feudalism (talk) 14:03, 3 May 2021 (UTC)