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On 3 June 2020, it was proposed that this article be moved from Shooting of James Scurlock to Killing of James Scurlock. The result of the discussion was Not moved.

Funny how intro does not mention Gardner was being held in a chokehold at the time he shot Scurlock

" Gardner initially fired two shots in the air, and then fired a shot towards Scurlock's clavicle " Also no mention of Scurlock's criminal record... I mean it proves nothing regarding this particular event, but it is for sure more credible than WaPo article guesses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.248.85.29 (talk) 17:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

White Supremacist? Gardner

Is there any evidence anyone can find either supporting or contradicting mainly baseless claims circulating on Twitter that have alleged Gardner is a white supremacist? Sayeb Zaman Khan (talk) 15:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just voicing my opinion, from my view, Gardener was acting in self defense, the guy was breaking into his bar and assaulting him, I mean what else could he have done you know? I just find these whole riots as nonsense, because people of all colors die everyday whether it be natural or not. There's no need to make a big deal out of it. --96.8.253.172 (talk) 03:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 June 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. I see consensus not to move this article. Pandakekok9 (talk) 14:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Shooting of James Scurlock → Killing of James Scurlock – As per loads of wikipedia articles which have Murder of instead of how they died. see this category for examples. More neutral title. Note not murder as no one convicted of it. Can be moved when convicted Games of the world (talk) 18:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There are plenty of other similar titles such as Shooting of Philando Castile and they seem clearer per WP:PRECISION. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: See the recent multi-article RM discussions recorded at Talk:Shooting of Atatiana Jefferson and Talk:Shooting of Breonna Taylor. This would harm consistent article naming for people killed by shooting. See, for example, the articles in Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in the United States. Also note that the OP's rationale refers to murder but the RM is not proposing to use the word "murder". If murder were clearly established, then the article title would use "murder", not "killing". The category that the proposer referred to does not seem to contain any examples of articles that use the proposed form "Killing of ...". —BarrelProof (talk) 18:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support – BarrelProof neglects to mention the more recent discussion at Killing of George Floyd. Arguments for consistency has no weight since that seems to be the only argument for keeping these titles that were incorrectly created into a group. This person was not only shot. He was killed which is more notable. We should establish a new consistency across all these articles which is happening across many RMs (Talk:Sammy Yatim, Talk:Eric Garner etc..) --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 18:26, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Floyd was not shot, so there is a difference there. We seem to use "Shooting of" for people who were killed by being shot. I haven't noticed any uses of "Shooting of" for people who were not killed. See the article naming consistency in Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in the United States. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per BarrelProof. "Shooting of..." is the standard Wikipedia main title header for articles focusing upon deaths of individuals as a result of firearm discharge. "Killing of..." is used for deaths not related to gun violence, such as Death of Eric Garner → Killing of Eric Garner (see currently-active discussion at Talk:Death of Eric Garner#Requested move 2 June 2020). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:33, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per consistency with many other articles of a similar nature, e.g. Shooting of Trayvon Martin, Shooting of Michael Brown, Shooting of Philando Castile, etc. The article can be renamed if and when there is a conviction. Love of Corey (talk) 20:40, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Wrong coordinates

Coordinates (40.741895°N 73.989308°W) point to New York City.Wikisanchez (talk) 18:42, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

notability tag

International mention doesn't change the fact that the notability of this event relies completely on the fact it happened during the chaos of a riot. I suspect this needs to be merged into George Floyd protests. —valereee (talk) 11:05, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That page has a list of deaths but there's a tag on the article indicating that it should be split. Such a list would pass WP:LISTN as there are sources such as this. But inclusion criteria are an issue because some deaths, such as Chris Beaty, are unclear and so the association is quite circumstantial. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Davidson, yes, this shooting would be a completely appropriate entry in a list of deaths associated with the GFp. —valereee (talk) 13:31, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

“Windows were broken”

Recommend getting rid of the passive voice. Who broke the windows? It’s very relevant to the ultimate outcome and to the escalation of events. If Scurlock’s group broke the windows, just say it. If unknown protesters did it, say that. Also relevant to the escalation of events is whether Scurlock and/or his group entered the bar. --76.185.184.37 (talk) 09:53, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This page is loaded with inaccuracies.

I'm from Omaha and I noticed this page includes numerous inaccuracies.The special prosecutor has been quoted by numerous sources explaining that Gardner turned out lights and waited to ambush protesters, David Gardner assaulted three people on a public sidewalk, Gardner committed felony assault when he brandished his fire arm on a public sidewalk, Scurlock jumped on Gardner's back AFTER Gardner aimed at three different people and missed two targets by mere inches. Also, Scurlock did not choke Gardner as Gardner falsely claimed... I could go on and on. Please correct this disgusting misinformation. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/prosecutor-bar-owner-wanted-to-ambush-people-stealing/2020/09/23/05a3369a-fddd-11ea-b0e4-350e4e60cc91_story.html https://fox42kptm.com/news/local/watch-live-at-noon-special-prosecutor-to-make-state-in-james-gardner-case https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/prosecutor-bar-owner-wanted-to-ambush-people-stealing/ https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/jamestown/ap-top-news/2020/09/23/prosecutor-bar-owner-wanted-to-ambush-people-stealing