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::I understand Russia is developing a Watermelon Phone. In tests it has worked very well, but it will require very large pockets. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 20:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC) |
::I understand Russia is developing a Watermelon Phone. In tests it has worked very well, but it will require very large pockets. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 20:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::: In the 1970s a Soviet factory manager was sacked because his ''zavod'' made sunglasses through which one could gaze directly at the midday Sun and see zero light. True story. -- [[User:JackofOz|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Jack of Oz</span>]] [[User talk:JackofOz#top|<span style="font-size:85%; font-family: Verdana;"><sup>[pleasantries]</sup></span>]] 21:00, 12 August 2021 (UTC) |
::: In the 1970s a Soviet factory manager was sacked because his ''zavod'' made sunglasses through which one could gaze directly at the midday Sun and see zero light. True story. -- [[User:JackofOz|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Jack of Oz</span>]] [[User talk:JackofOz#top|<span style="font-size:85%; font-family: Verdana;"><sup>[pleasantries]</sup></span>]] 21:00, 12 August 2021 (UTC) |
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== Horton Sphere Compressed Gas Storage Tank (Gas Ball), Stow Massachusetts == |
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A Horton Sphere compressed gas storage tank (known by old town citizens as the "Gas Ball") was installed on Route 62 in Stow, MA a little over a mile from the town center by the Hudson and Marlboro Gas Company sometime in the early 1900s and removed sometime during the mid-1900s. Not much information is still available on this piece of town history and there doesn't appear to be any photographs or other information on the storage facility in the town's records. If you have pictures or any information on this storage tank, or if you have pictures or any information on similar structures, please post.[[Special:Contributions/2601:18F:B80:370:B4FD:12A2:7D4D:305B|2601:18F:B80:370:B4FD:12A2:7D4D:305B]] ([[User talk:2601:18F:B80:370:B4FD:12A2:7D4D:305B|talk]]) 21:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC) |
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August 4
avoidances of putrefaction
Hello, I hope that I'm not disturbing you, I would like to know what are the processes that avoid putrefaction without destroying the cells, please. In fact, I had made a draft of a process to do something in the distant future in favor of the deceased (based on dismantling the brain into neurons permanently individually excited by computer) but it is necessary for that that the brain is intact...37.165.0.6 (talk) 05:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- How about Cryopreservation?--Shantavira|feed me 08:15, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- As with Ted Williams. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:30, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- or Mummification. More generally, embalming. Xuxl (talk) 15:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not so sure those things would be reversible, as contrasted with the cryogenic approach's theory. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- or Mummification. More generally, embalming. Xuxl (talk) 15:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- As with Ted Williams. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:30, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
The bee and the bus - a six-year old's question
A bee flying at 10 mph collides head-on (and fatally) with a bus travelling at 50 mph in exactly the opposite direction. The bee's body sticks to the bus. During the collision the bee's velocity changes from +10 mph to -50 mph, so at some point in the process the bee's velocity must be exactly zero - in other words, at some point it must be stationary.
As the stationary bee must be in contact with the front of the bus at this point, why is the bus not stationary at the same time?
And does it make any difference if the bee is replaced by a rigid object that just bounces off the front of the bus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.134.70 (talk) 10:04, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- This depends on the is the definition of stationary, usually stationary is meant as having a constant velocity, which the bee has not, it is decelerating (in it's frame of reference).
- The bees velocity is also not a constant, its front part has accelerated to the velocity of the bus "instantly" while its rear is still moving at 10 miles per hour. Meanwhile, the area where the bee impacts on the bus locally deforms as it decelerates (in the bus's reference frame_ to absorb the energy of the bee impacting it. This later is probably negligible ...
- If replaced by a rigid, this will experience higher accelerations as it impacts and bounces off, but this too can't be called stationary at the moment its velocity crosses the 0 velocity line. Rmvandijk (talk) 10:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
One problem: "As the stationary bee must be in contact with the front of the bus..." This is not the case. In front of the bus (and the bee) is a cushion of air. When +10 and -50 cushions of air collide, there is a very brief moment when they net out to zero. This must occur before the bee hits the bus (and probably is what killed the bee). DOR (HK) (talk) 16:09, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- I would say that there are two different things to consider here. In the physical sense, there is no such thing as a perfectly rigid body (because force can translate through the body at best at the speed of light). Thus, the speed of the bee at the moment of collision is not well-defined - different parts of the bee move at different speeds. The center of mass of the bee will have speed 0, but only for an infinitesimal moment. That would not affect the bus - in zero seconds it moves zero meters, anyways, so no problem ;-). A curve can touch a line in one point without the line having to be curved. But if you look at this in a mathematical abstraction, with a perfectly rigid bus of infinite mass and a perfectly rigid point of a bee (with perfect stickiness), the bee will be instantly accelerated from 10 to -50 MPH. Of course such instant acceleration requires infinite force. But with an instant transition between the two speeds, the speed function is not continuous, and hence the intermediate value theorem does not apply. In other words, no, the bee never is at speed zero, and hence neither is the bus. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 23:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- This is, in a sense, Einstein's classic "throwing a ball on a train" example of relativity. From the Bee's relative viewpoint, it is at 0mph initially. The bus is traveling towards it at 60mph and the ground is racing past at 10mph. So, it begins at 0mph and then changes to -60mph. From tbe bus's relative viewpoint, it is moving at 0mph. The ground is moving past at 50mph. The bee is coming towards it at 60mph. It doesn't change speed enough to notice because the mass of the bee is negligible compared to the bus. From a third party relative viewpoint, the bee is moving at 10mph. The bus is moving at 50pm in the opposite direction. The ground is stationary at 0mph. The bee will change from 10mph in one direction to 60mph in the other direction. At some point, it will be at 0mph. Technically, the bee is crushed, so that 0mph state will travel through the bee as the front of the bee is at -50mph and the rear of the bee is at 10mph. The bus doesn't change speed. You can expand this to the viewpoint of a space station astronaut watching it from orbit. The ground is moving at around 17000mph. The bee is traveling at 17010mph in one direction. The bus is moving at 16950mph in the opoosite direction. The bee changes from 17010 to 16950mph. This is where it gets weird. The change is small in comparison to the total speed. It changes about 0.35% of the absolute speed, but it is crushed. That is why relativity is important. 97.82.165.112 (talk) 12:29, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Asisbiz
Who and what is Asisbiz, and who owns it. I see it appearing more and more on the internet especially as a photo site I have searched Wikipedia but cannot find anything.
Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks, Bobbejaa.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbejaa (talk • contribs) 10:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- It appears to be a Philipines-based company, I found This contact page about them. Not sure what they do, most of their website seems to be a random photo repository. There is some contact information on that page, perhaps someone there could answer your queries. --Jayron32 13:34, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Alcohol and whitening teeth
In this article the general recommendation for alcohol consumption (for those who can have it that is) is for men no more than 1-2 drinks per day for men no more than 1 for women what are they saying when they're saying that? https://web.archive.org/web/20120814163955/http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/alcohol/index.html
My last question Is it bad to whiten teeth?--2001:8003:7432:4500:C84D:DF63:F456:C676 (talk) 12:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- That article doesn't show up for me. But what they are likely saying is that's the most that one should have: 1-2 for men, just 1 for women. Right? As to the teeth question, does that include routine polishing done when you have your periodic dental checkup? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:44, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- As with most of these questions that you ask, the information is about the most that a person should consume, not about the amount they must consume. People who choose to drink should limit their intake to a maximum of 1-2 drinks per day for men, and only 1 per day for women. The general guidance is that a "drink" is a typical serving size of a typical alcoholic beverage, so a single 12-ounce (about 380 mL) bottle of beer, about a 5 ounce pour (about 75 mL) of wine, and about 1.5 ounce (22 mL) of spirits, though that will vary. this is the guidance from the U.S. National Institutes of Health, a government agency. The recommendation is specifically that a drink is assumed to have 12 grams of absolute alcohol in it; if you are consuming a beer that has, say, a higher alcohol content than the standard 5% lager, you should adjust your consumption accordingly. --Jayron32 13:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- The question arises whether these figures are to be interpreted as meaning day-by-day or as, say, a weekly average. If one drinks 1 beer every day day for a week (as I sometimes do) one will have drunk 7 beers in total; if one drink 7 beers in one day and no beers for the next 6 (as I sometimes do*) one will still have averaged 1 beer a day.
- (* Long-time CAMRA member and occasional brewer: not looking for advice, thanks.)
- As for whitening teeth, has the OP read our article Tooth whitening? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.62.68 (talk) 16:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- Seven beers in one session could qualify as binge drinking, per the same NIH website. The advice that I see is that is a maximum per day and not an average; if we take this to reductio ad absurdum, if you drank only one day per year, but consumed 500 shots of whiskey in that one session, you'd die of alcohol poisoning. The 1-2 drink per day amount is not an average over any time period, it's a maximum in a day. --Jayron32 16:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- As I well know, but it needs to be spelled out for the likes of the OP who have trouble interpreting the advice. As for myself, I note the discussions around the topic and the periodic adjustments made to such advice (which in any case is a little different in my own country, thousands of miles away from the USA) but choose not to abide by the latter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.62.68 (talk) 22:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- Advice will always be changed as collective human knowledge grows. This is a Good Thing. If we learned new things that made existing advice inaccurate, it would not be good to leave the existing advice in place. --Jayron32 12:12, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- I completely agree, and did not intend to imply otherwise. I feel however we are straying rather far from the OP's initial query. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.62.68 (talk) 18:20, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- Advice will always be changed as collective human knowledge grows. This is a Good Thing. If we learned new things that made existing advice inaccurate, it would not be good to leave the existing advice in place. --Jayron32 12:12, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- As I well know, but it needs to be spelled out for the likes of the OP who have trouble interpreting the advice. As for myself, I note the discussions around the topic and the periodic adjustments made to such advice (which in any case is a little different in my own country, thousands of miles away from the USA) but choose not to abide by the latter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.62.68 (talk) 22:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- Seven beers in one session could qualify as binge drinking, per the same NIH website. The advice that I see is that is a maximum per day and not an average; if we take this to reductio ad absurdum, if you drank only one day per year, but consumed 500 shots of whiskey in that one session, you'd die of alcohol poisoning. The 1-2 drink per day amount is not an average over any time period, it's a maximum in a day. --Jayron32 16:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- The question arises whether these figures are to be interpreted as meaning day-by-day or as, say, a weekly average. If one drinks 1 beer every day day for a week (as I sometimes do) one will have drunk 7 beers in total; if one drink 7 beers in one day and no beers for the next 6 (as I sometimes do*) one will still have averaged 1 beer a day.
- Not applicable to religion and other dogmata: If we learned new things that made existing advice inaccurate, it would not be good to leave the existing advice in place. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 15:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- Mostly not. Many practitioners (note that I do not say "believers") of Wicca and other neo-pagan paths regard them as experimental, and do modify their ideas, rituals and practices over time. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.62.68 (talk) 18:20, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- While true, religion is mostly irrelevant to this particular discussion, as religion and science operate in different spheres of the human experience. --Jayron32 18:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- That is one interpretation, and often a very useful one: however, not everyone concurs with it, or agrees on the definition(s) of "religion." Some consider it, at least in part, to depend on psychological manipulation (of oneself as well as others) and psychology is widely considered a science. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.62.68 (talk) 23:20, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Interpretations are infinite, limited only by the number of people who care to subscribe to them. Useful interpretations are finite, often very much so, and in this case the infinitely useless interpretations are not worth considering, and neither are the people who choose to subscribe to them. --Jayron32 02:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- That is one interpretation, and often a very useful one: however, not everyone concurs with it, or agrees on the definition(s) of "religion." Some consider it, at least in part, to depend on psychological manipulation (of oneself as well as others) and psychology is widely considered a science. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.62.68 (talk) 23:20, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Not applicable to religion and other dogmata: If we learned new things that made existing advice inaccurate, it would not be good to leave the existing advice in place. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 15:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
August 5
Feras Antoon's Descent
A common unsourced edit on the Feras Antoon article is regarding the person's descent, usually claimed to be Jewish, once Arabic with a source, however, it was Facebook, so that's not reliable. Can anyone find a reliable source regarding this so the issue can be totally settled? Dege31 (talk) 13:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- It's probably not that important, despite people trying to make it so. WP:ETHNICITY makes it clear that the relevant information in describing a person is the "the country, region, or territory, where the person is a citizen, national, or permanent resident; or, if the person is notable mainly for past events, where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable." The article currently describes him solely as "Canadian" which is sufficient for Wikipedia purposes. Whatever the nationality of his parents or grandparents or other members of his family might have been, he is a Canadian. If there are not good sources for his ancestor's places of residence, then there's no reason to include it in the article. --Jayron32 18:03, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Are there any earlier instances of phrases about forgiveness being better than permission?
I couldn't decide if I should ask this question in Language or Humanities, so I've put it in Miscellaneous.
- In an episode of OK K.O.! Let's Be Heroes, the character Dendy tells K.O. that she "noticed that it is better to ask for forgiveness than for permission" when she considered fixing Radicles's van.
- In The Hunchback of Notre Dame, one of the gargoyles says it's "better to beg forgiveness than ask permission" when Quasimodo considered leaving the cathedral to attend the Festival of Fools.
– MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 15:15, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- According to Quote Investigator it was popularised by Grace Hopper, but the earliest known example is from a book of 1846, with a reference to Francesco Barberini (1597–1679) (though it's not clear he made the remark himself). AndrewWTaylor (talk) 15:33, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- Some sources call it "Stewart's Law of Retroaction" with no attribution, the Freakonomics blog attributes its popularization to Admiral Hopper: [1], in about 1984, but there is a print version by Arthur Bloch that dates to 1980; that may be the source of the "Stewart's Law" version. As an adage, I'd have thought it much older than the 1980s, but Google Ngrams seems to confirm that the phrase was essentially unknown prior to the late 1970s, and started to grow in popularity since then: [2]. That's just one version of the quote I searched for, playing around with the wording all yield similar results. --Jayron32 12:45, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Kind of like a story I recall from The Joys of Yiddish that goes something like this: A tourist visiting Jerusalem is trying to find a parking space near a historic site. There's a No Parking sign, but several cars are parked there. He asks a cop, "Can I park there?" The cop says, "No." The tourist asks, "What about those others?" The cop says, "They didn't ask!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:51, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Some sources call it "Stewart's Law of Retroaction" with no attribution, the Freakonomics blog attributes its popularization to Admiral Hopper: [1], in about 1984, but there is a print version by Arthur Bloch that dates to 1980; that may be the source of the "Stewart's Law" version. As an adage, I'd have thought it much older than the 1980s, but Google Ngrams seems to confirm that the phrase was essentially unknown prior to the late 1970s, and started to grow in popularity since then: [2]. That's just one version of the quote I searched for, playing around with the wording all yield similar results. --Jayron32 12:45, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
August 7
Nursery rhymes
Why are nursery rhymes often filled with disturbing imagery? Was this solely a mnemonic, or was it something else? Viriditas (talk) 21:58, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Here is a BBC article that addresses this issue. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:10, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'll add the caveat that some of those purported explanations are considered...dubious. Ring a Ring o' Roses, for example, may or may not be related to the Great Plague. (Explanations featuring the plague do not appear until the middle of the twentieth century.) Rock-a-bye Baby has been tied to anyone from James II of England to the ancient Egyptian god Horus. Wikipedia's articles do touch on the (possible, putative) origins of many such rhymes; do you have any particular ones in mind, Viriditas? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:21, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, this discussion was initiated by my evident horror in revisiting Three Blind Mice. Viriditas (talk) 01:59, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'll add the caveat that some of those purported explanations are considered...dubious. Ring a Ring o' Roses, for example, may or may not be related to the Great Plague. (Explanations featuring the plague do not appear until the middle of the twentieth century.) Rock-a-bye Baby has been tied to anyone from James II of England to the ancient Egyptian god Horus. Wikipedia's articles do touch on the (possible, putative) origins of many such rhymes; do you have any particular ones in mind, Viriditas? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:21, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- For disturbing imagery, it's hard to beat the aptly-named Grimm Fairy Tales. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:34, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- And most of what we read in English is _way_ cleaned up. If you know any German, it can be a lot of fun to read Grimm in the original; the stories in are a lot of different German dialects. So they're both gruesome and unpronounceable. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 23:26, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think the mention of fun goes to the core of the issue. DuncanHill (talk) 23:28, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Not to rain blood on anyone's parade, but a fairy tale is not a nursery rhyme. The good stuff is long and winding prose, clearly intended for mature children only. Both are fun and loaded with danger, but Mother Goose type "Hey, Diddle Diddle" bedtime horror is more apt to stick verbatim in a toddler's brain forever. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:24, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- And most of what we read in English is _way_ cleaned up. If you know any German, it can be a lot of fun to read Grimm in the original; the stories in are a lot of different German dialects. So they're both gruesome and unpronounceable. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 23:26, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- The idea that children need to be protected from violent imagery is apparently a recent one. Consider Struwwelpeter, an 1845 international best-seller, which includes a girl who plays with matches and is burned to death and a boy who is cured of thumb-sucking by having his thumbs amputated with scissors. Alansplodge (talk) 11:33, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- Scaring kids away from doing risky things, and also drawing a stark line between good and bad behavior in general. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:50, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- For a 19th century example in a different genre, see Eric, or, Little by Little. --ColinFine (talk) 19:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- So the moral lesson is if others beat up on you, it's your own fault. Nowadays, the kid would probably come back to the school with an assault rifle or two. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Nowadays, ghastlier rifles exist, but it's still almost as hard to find one near an English boarding school. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Depends on the school though: if.... Iapetus (talk) 09:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Nowadays, ghastlier rifles exist, but it's still almost as hard to find one near an English boarding school. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- So the moral lesson is if others beat up on you, it's your own fault. Nowadays, the kid would probably come back to the school with an assault rifle or two. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- For a 19th century example in a different genre, see Eric, or, Little by Little. --ColinFine (talk) 19:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Scaring kids away from doing risky things, and also drawing a stark line between good and bad behavior in general. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:50, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- The idea that children need to be protected from violent imagery is apparently a recent one. Consider Struwwelpeter, an 1845 international best-seller, which includes a girl who plays with matches and is burned to death and a boy who is cured of thumb-sucking by having his thumbs amputated with scissors. Alansplodge (talk) 11:33, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
August 8
Help find references about Suhani Shah
This question I originally asked at Entertainment reference desk but got archived unanswered so asking here again
This is about Indian magician Suhani Shah. It is cited to reliable source that she entered in Guiness world records as youngest magician in 1997. Is there a way to verify this using real guiness book entry. Although citation is enough for article but still for curiosity.; Second citation(this from secondary source) I need is one which states that she was youngest dignitary at Youtube India launch. This line was mentioned unsourced in the article 6 years ago when it got deleted, and I think her presence at launch can be truth but help me verify. -- Parnaval (talk) 13:40, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Does the Chinese Digital Yuan have a carbon footprint like Bitcoin?
I have read that it is Blockchain based, although some articles contradict this, but not a cryptocurrency, also contested in other articles.
Does anyone have clear evidence of whether or not it may become as big an energy hog as the bitcoin, and therefore a carbon footprint menace? Star Lord - 星爵 (talk) 15:05, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
I recently came across the above missing case, and was wondering whether anything is known about his father (in de-Wiki it only says that he was / is German, and otherwise, there seems to be nothing known about him or his role in the search), since, apparently, only the mother seems to bother what happened to her son, in fact. Can anybody ascertain anything about why this is the case, and who the father was / is?--Hildeoc (talk) 15:34, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- This article refers to her as a single mom, so it's quite possible that the father had little or no contact with his son and no hand in his upbringing. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:33, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
August 10
The State of Oregon in comparison.
Only rarely did I (male, german, 60+) visit the United States, and if, then for a few days only. Therefore, I hardly can evaluate Governor Kate Brown's decision (to drop the requirement that high school students prove proficiency in reading, writing or math before graduation) for the state of Oregon, she presides. So I ask your opinion: Compared to the other 49 states, is Oregon considered a backward region? --87.147.185.220 (talk) 21:07, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- According to [3], the signed bill suspends the graduation test, it does not remove any of the required class credits to graduate. The article quotes some people as saying the testing was not a good measure and was not fair to some groups of students. Whether this makes the state "backwards" or not is a matter of opinion, not suited for the RefDesks. RudolfRed (talk) 21:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- I could ask about Baden-Wuertemberg's reputation and it would be fine wouldn't it? OP, the regions considered "backward" are the non-coastal, non-border states in the South. Oregon's reputation tends toward being a liberal enclave, with lots of lesbians and hippies and hipsters. The Interstate 5 corridor from Eugene to Portland is indeed pretty left-thinking, open-minded and trendy. But there's no hegemony; the numerous rural chuds don't hesitate to yell their side of the story. I think there was another protest/fight between them in Portland a couple days ago. Brown does not have a reputation for being anti-education or backward or anything like that. I think she could stand to be more left-wing, but I'm left-wing, and the governorship doesn't really function as a partisan office in Oregon anyway. Temerarius (talk) 22:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Portland has a reputation as a left-leaning city. Oregon has a history of pretty virulent ultra-right racist bullshit going back centuries. See [4] and [5]. That kind of politics does not disappear overnight. Among Oregon's five congressional districts, two lean heavily Democratic (the first and third, which cover the Portland metro area), two (the fourth and fifth) are pretty much toss-ups in any given election, and the other (the second) is heavily Republican. Until 1979, Republicans also usually controlled the Governor's office as well. Regarding the article, that the OP cites, it's a bullshit, shock-value article which does not accurately represent the situation. Students still need to demonstrate proficiency, they just don't need to take a specific test (the value of which in determining proficiency is highly suspect, which is why it was dropped). --Jayron32 10:55, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'd note that despite the OP's unfortunate language, there's nothing in the original question to suggest they were particularly interested in the politics of the region. Nor stuff like racism etc no matter if these may be a common part of being seen as "backwards". It seems more likely they were under the assumption that it was considered acceptable to graduate without a proficiency in reading, writing or math in Oregon and were wondering if this was normal in the US, or just that Oregon was for some reason unusual in this regard. Nil Einne (talk) 22:55, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- If one can generalize about the Willamette Valley, how divergent is Portland within it? —Tamfang (talk) 01:16, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Portland has a reputation as a left-leaning city. Oregon has a history of pretty virulent ultra-right racist bullshit going back centuries. See [4] and [5]. That kind of politics does not disappear overnight. Among Oregon's five congressional districts, two lean heavily Democratic (the first and third, which cover the Portland metro area), two (the fourth and fifth) are pretty much toss-ups in any given election, and the other (the second) is heavily Republican. Until 1979, Republicans also usually controlled the Governor's office as well. Regarding the article, that the OP cites, it's a bullshit, shock-value article which does not accurately represent the situation. Students still need to demonstrate proficiency, they just don't need to take a specific test (the value of which in determining proficiency is highly suspect, which is why it was dropped). --Jayron32 10:55, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- I could ask about Baden-Wuertemberg's reputation and it would be fine wouldn't it? OP, the regions considered "backward" are the non-coastal, non-border states in the South. Oregon's reputation tends toward being a liberal enclave, with lots of lesbians and hippies and hipsters. The Interstate 5 corridor from Eugene to Portland is indeed pretty left-thinking, open-minded and trendy. But there's no hegemony; the numerous rural chuds don't hesitate to yell their side of the story. I think there was another protest/fight between them in Portland a couple days ago. Brown does not have a reputation for being anti-education or backward or anything like that. I think she could stand to be more left-wing, but I'm left-wing, and the governorship doesn't really function as a partisan office in Oregon anyway. Temerarius (talk) 22:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- The numerous organic farmers and cannabis growers of rural Oregon are probably more like the hippies than the Y'all Qaeda/Vanilla ISIS. A few of the pot growers are probably very right-wing though. A libertarian flavor of right-wing, not a pot is bad flavor. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- No. Its neighbor to the east, on the other hand ... Clarityfiend (talk) 05:53, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- All US states have state-imposed high-school graduation requirements, but the majority do not require a single exit exam. Of those that have an exit exam (a minority), most allow alternative ways of showing the required proficiency, such as scores on other tests, not all administered at the same time. People in more industrialized regions tend to think of rural areas as backward, but that is not based on some reasonable and objective criterion. --Lambiam 07:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- The Daily Mail is an unreliable source for news, there's a tier of British newspapers for different political flavors of the (rich/educated/bright/poseur), one or two middlebrow levels, and the Daily Mail is in the tier for the low IQ. At least one big lowbrow British paper has topless women photos, one page of the paper is just attractive breasts and misogynous text for no reason. I think they can even be 17 or 16 there, doing that in the US might get people imprisoned. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- A bit behind the times Sagittarian, The Sun stopped topless models in 2015, see Page 3, and the much smaller Daily Star in 2019. 16-18 year-old topless models were banned by law in 2003. Alansplodge (talk) 22:39, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Did the physical paper version sometimes run stories on topless events as an excuse to show more nipples? I don't remember if it was on the website of the Sun or the Mail or a British tabloid magazine but I saw a story on a traditional African event with lots of photos of topless women. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:44, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- A bit behind the times Sagittarian, The Sun stopped topless models in 2015, see Page 3, and the much smaller Daily Star in 2019. 16-18 year-old topless models were banned by law in 2003. Alansplodge (talk) 22:39, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- I might characterize Oregon as provincial. They have often done things the way they felt like doing them, and didn't much care what the rest of the country thought about it. Hence the famous border sign, "Welcome to Oregon. Go home." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:20, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Like being the only state besides NJ to ban pumping your own gas and one of the 4 states that ban sales tax and one of the first to legalize recreational cannabis and prescribing and filling fatal prescriptions to patients dying of painful diseases. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Like I said. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Like being the only state besides NJ to ban pumping your own gas and one of the 4 states that ban sales tax and one of the first to legalize recreational cannabis and prescribing and filling fatal prescriptions to patients dying of painful diseases. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Not to be confused with State of Origin. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:04, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
August 12
Pear Phone
Is it real Pear Phone? On YouTube there is some video... --62.19.237.177 (talk) 16:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- It's a joke. See here. Matt Deres (talk) 17:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- I understand Russia is developing a Watermelon Phone. In tests it has worked very well, but it will require very large pockets. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- In the 1970s a Soviet factory manager was sacked because his zavod made sunglasses through which one could gaze directly at the midday Sun and see zero light. True story. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:00, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- I understand Russia is developing a Watermelon Phone. In tests it has worked very well, but it will require very large pockets. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Horton Sphere Compressed Gas Storage Tank (Gas Ball), Stow Massachusetts
A Horton Sphere compressed gas storage tank (known by old town citizens as the "Gas Ball") was installed on Route 62 in Stow, MA a little over a mile from the town center by the Hudson and Marlboro Gas Company sometime in the early 1900s and removed sometime during the mid-1900s. Not much information is still available on this piece of town history and there doesn't appear to be any photographs or other information on the storage facility in the town's records. If you have pictures or any information on this storage tank, or if you have pictures or any information on similar structures, please post.2601:18F:B80:370:B4FD:12A2:7D4D:305B (talk) 21:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)