Talk:Tom Brady

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Confusion regarding career stats clarification question

I think this article does a really great job of staying objective. Especially, it is able to deliver the news regarding Brady's retirement really well without diving into speculation. --Oliverzhang29 (talk) 19:44, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

At the bottom of the page, it shows brady passing yards at approximately 82,000. But just below this, it shows text indicating 93,000 passing yards. The statistics chart also shows 611 career touchdowns, and the text below shows 679 career touchdowns. Other statistics like this with inconsistencies can be found. Do these numbers count his college statistics at the University Of Michigan? This should be clarified. 150.243.200.30 (talk) 19:25, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@150.243.200.30: The numbers in the infobox are Brady's stats just from regular season games, while it appears that the numbers in the third paragraph of the article as well as the "NFL career records" section are supposed to be his stats from both regular season games and postseason games combined. However, those combined numbers are evidently a little bit outdated; for example, the paragraph says that he has 93,420 career passing yards, while the records section says that he only has 91,653, but adding his regular season passing yards (82,607) and his postseason passing yards (12,449) actually gives us 95,056, which means that both the paragraph and the records section need to be updated. I'm going to calculate what each of these numbers should be updated to and then do so; thank you for making us aware of this. --Zander251 (talk) 01:36, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Is there any particular reason the lede uses combined regular season and postseason stats?

The way I understand it, regular season stats are the standard when giving career stats. When we say Babe Ruth hit 714 home runs, we mean he hit 714 home runs in the regular season. Including the postseason, he hit 729. When we say Kareem Abdul-Jabbar scored 38,387 points, we mean he scored 38,387 points in the regular season. Including the postseason, he scored 44,149. The standard is no different in the NFL. Tom Brady was celebrated by the NFL and sports media two days ago for taking the all time completions record, yet, as the Wiki page indicates, he's been ahead of Brees in combined regular season and postseason completions for quite some time. Scrolling through the talk page, it looks like many people have found this confusing. Should we not switch to regular season stats for his records in the lede, now that he holds them whether the postseason is included or not?

Update 12/15: In fact, I would recommend removing the figures altogether and just stating that he holds those records, at least during the football season when he's extending them all every week. The current figures are more than 2 weeks out of date. Anyone oppose? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somarain (talk • contribs) 03:16, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Somarain: I just wanted to say that I fully agree with your decision to remove the values. They are constantly changing every week as you mentioned, and there could also be the issue of people disagreeing about whether the values should be based on just the regular season or both the regular season and postseason combined, so it seems like leaving the values out of the lead altogether is the least controversial option here. Zander251 (talk) 05:01, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2021

Add Brady's 2021 Pro Bowl Selection under his 2021 Season. He was selected for the bowl today, December 20, 2021. Muditm006 (talk) 22:33, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:40, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Best QB

Literally the best over than Patrick Mahomes!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hokie Pokey (talk • contribs) 00:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Passing yards leader

Someone has put on brady's record list that he is the 2021 passing yards regular season leader, and shows that he has now done this 4x.

The season is not over, and despite it being highly unlikely, brady could still be caught. He has not yet achieved this record. This is a mistake 64.148.230.243 (talk) 05:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2022

The records section of Tom Brady's page needs to be updated. Currently under "Regular Season" it lists that he has the record for "most players throwing a touchdown pass to: 87". For one, the number is inaccurate, and secondly it should be under career records, not under regular season records. Tom Brady does hold the record for most players throwing a touchdown pass to, and the correct number as of today is 92. It should be listed as a career statistic since no reliable source has a breakdown of whether some of those were in postseason or just in regular season. See this link for confirmation of the 92: https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/buccaneers/tom-brady-sets-more-bucs-records-season-finale-vs-panthers

Secondly, under postseason records a new record should be added - "most players throwing a touchdown pass to: 34". This is specific to post season games. Here is the source: https://nesn.com/2021/02/55-tom-brady-stats-that-will-blow-your-mind-ahead-of-super-bowl-lv/ Lstanic (talk) 19:30, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Got all of those. — Coolperson177 (t|c) 19:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

You can use pro-football-reference’s breakdown on TB’s TDs (source: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/touchdowns/passing ) It lists only his 90 different TD receivers in reg season though, so if you want the playoff and career numbers you’ll need to check on his 83 playoff TDs (his upcoming wildcard game notwithstanding). Also, someone needs to correct in his career overview the bit about his completions record - he also owns it in the reg season now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.155.92.131 (talk) 23:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

There is also a typo that needs to be fixed. Under NFL career records --> Career records (regular season and playoffs combined) --> Most combined passing attempts. The correct number should be 13,081 not 13,0081. Runch Gwar (talk) 15:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Typo was already fixed. — Coolperson177 (t|c) 19:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2022

Typo, should be:

• Most Combined Passing Attempts: 13,081 96.18.156.64 (talk) 17:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:38, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Urgent corrections

Combined passing yards and TDS should be 709 and 97K 240 other needs to be corrected but feel free to do it when you can no rush as Tom is in the playoffs currently but some other records needs to be checked on that they are correct. 47.157.234.109 (talk) 06:37, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Overview changes

On the 3rd paragraph of overview right after the college section it says 265 wins and 34 playoff wins it’s supposed to be 278 and 35 playoff wins just some small changes that add up thank you for you’re consideration and edits of the important details. 47.157.234.109 (talk) 17:54, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

243 wins and 35 playoff wins is correct as of this writing. "Wins" generally implies regular season only, as shown in List of National Football League career quarterback wins leaders. Perhaps, combined regular season and playoff wins (278) can be included as well. Frank Anchor 18:01, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Small change

In the third paragraph in overview it says 34 postseason wins currently Brady is at 35 47.157.234.109 (talk) 16:02, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2022

X - ‘He spent his first 20 seasons’ to Y - ‘He spent 20 seasons’

You cannot have a ‘first 20’. 82.45.209.240 (talk) 07:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Not done. When you play 22 seasons, you absolutely can have a first 20 seasons.--Rockchalk717 22:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Plus, "first 20" helps identify when Brady played for the Patriots. If he retires with the Buccaneers, we can then say he was a member of the Buccaneers for his final (x) seasons. Bluerules (talk) 23:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2022 (2)

Tom Brady Was an American Football Quarterback 104.49.236.1 (talk) 19:38, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Tom Brady is a retired American Football Quarterback Zeldamaster702 (talk) 19:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

He is still playing SteelerFan1933 (talk) 20:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Not done. Multiple things to unpack here, "was" means he has died. When he does retire it will say "is a former American football quarterback." Next, no decision either way has been made. It does appear he does intent to retire, he just hasn't made an official announcement yet, which is what we're waiting for.--Rockchalk717 22:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2022 (3)

change Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. (born August 3, 1977) is an American football quarterback for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the National Football League (NFL). He spent his first 20 seasons with the New England Patriots, where he was a central contributor to the franchise's dynasty from 2001 to 2019. Brady is widely regarded as the greatest quarterback of all time.[1] to Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. (born August 3, 1977) is an American football quarterback who played in the National Football League (NFL) for 22 seasons. He spent his first 20 seasons with the New England Patriots, where he was a central contributor to the franchise's dynasty from 2001 to 2019 where he won six (6) Superbowl titles. He spent his last two seasons with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers where in his first season he won his 7th Superbowl title. ObsidianIndy (talk) 19:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

We're waiting until the retirement is officially announced to state he played in the NFL for 22 seasons. Until then, he's still technically on the Buccaneers. Also, we should not be mentioning his Super Bowl titles in the opening paragraph. They belong in the second paragraph to avoid repetition. Bluerules (talk) 20:28, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

People, Tom Brady isn't retired.

It has not been officially confirmed by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 20:21, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Maybe not by the Bucs, but the NFL said that. I won't change it because it’ll just spark an edit war. But yes, he is retired, just here to give a final confirmation.BubbaDaAmogus (talk) 20:37, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

I haven't seen any statements from the NFL - there's an NFL.com article about it, but it's not based on direct NFL information. It's based on information from Ian Rapoport. Bluerules (talk) 20:41, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Yepppppp he’s a goner. https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1487524265658306566?s=21 RobbyB3ll4s (talk) 20:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

When there's an official announcement, the page will be updated accordingly. Bluerules (talk) 21:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Nevermindddd https://twitter.com/mikegiardi/status/1487543857671811079?s=21 RobbyB3ll4s (talk) 22:45, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

RobbyB3ll4s, this is why we always wait for official confirmation and do not rely on anonymously sourced "reports". – Muboshgu (talk) 23:36, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

"":: esp as it is clear :: esp as it is clear to many and most fans that brady could easily cont. on for some longer period 5-10 yrs as his practice, work routines WOULD ALLOW HIM TO DO that and so wkth no drop off in performance this past year ... this is hugely sad .... say it ain so tommy 23:40, 29 January 2022 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.189.159 (talk)

lol they definitely were real reports RobbyB3ll4s (talk) 16:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 January 2022

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Call Tom Brady a former player

 Not done: No official announcement. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:57, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Last sentence of introductory paragraph

Revise "Brady is widely regarded as the greatest quarterback of all time.[1]" to "Brady is widely regarded as the greatest American football player of all time.[1]" No doubt he is the greatest QB of all time, but it seems safe to simply say he is the greatest player of all time when even the NFL endorses him as such... Nxc133 (talk) 07:47, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I disagree. All of the sources we currently have call him the greatest quarterback of all time. That's his reputation. Also, the NFL is not endorsing him as the greatest player of all time, that from a writer for NFL.com. Bluerules (talk)

I provided four highly reputable sources that refer to him as the greatest player of all time. And two of the sources currently being cited to refer to him as the greatest QB of all time actually refer to him as the greatest player of all time.

Also, many of the references currently being cited are considerably outdated as well with four being written in 2016 or years prior. And yes, the NFL article is written by an NFL.com employee and is published on the official website of the National Football League. While you may not perceive that as an outright endorsement, all content published on their site is approved by the NFL. Additionally, the NFL has posted on its official social media accounts about Tom Brady simply being the GOAT not just the GOAT QB

And on top of all that, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has specifically offered that he is the greatest player of all timeNxc133 (talk) 21:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

There are six sources that call him the greatest quarterback of all time. The FiveThirtyEightSource is comparing him to other quarterbacks, not other players. To call these sources "outdated" is foolish because they were written when Brady was accomplishing what no other quarterback had accomplished. And no, the NFL.com article was not written by an official NFL representative. Those articles are written by individuals who report on NFL news - note that "the official website of the National Football League" prematurely reported Brady's retirement. When these sources say "GOAT", it is not clear if they are referring to him being the greatest quarterback or greatest player. Goodell specifically prefaced his comment with "probably", which isn't a concrete argument for Brady being the greatest player.

Brady is directly comparable to other quarterbacks because they played the same position, had the same general role, and were judged by the same statistical categories. There have been changes to how the game is played, but at least this is still a comparison between players in the same position. To compare Brady to players with completely different roles and skillsets is not an accurate comparison and a subject that this article should avoid. Bluerules (talk) 15:51, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

References

You stated - 'To call these sources "outdated" is foolish.' No this is not foolish. It's foolish to continue to use sources that have since been superseded. There are numerous sources written prior to 2015 that would refer to Joe Montana or an alternative QB as the GOAT QB. By your logic, they would still be relevant because those QBs were then "[accomplishing] what no other quarterback had accomplished" at those times. That does not make sense, as Brady's accomplishments had since superseded theirs, and so yes, information can become outdated as is the case with many of the sources being used to refer to him as the GOAT QB. Just as Brady's accomplishments since 2016 have raised his stature from simply the GOAT QB. Additionally, to say that he is not comparable to other positions is valid, but that does not mean that there can be no player deemed to be greater than all others based on his or her performance, statistics, accomplishments, etc. holistically at his or her position. Besides, this article is not designed to make comparisons to other players or QBs, it is simply summarizing the life and details of Tom Brady, who is in fact widely regarded as the regarded as the greatest PLAYER of all time based on the recent reputable sources I provided and countless others available.Nxc133 (talk) 22:19, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it is foolish. Brady already established himself as the greatest quarterback of all time by that point. It makes perfect sense to use sources that newer sources are merely repeating. What makes no sense is to call Brady "simply the GOAT QB". That is arguably greatest accomplishment in the NFL; it is not a "simply" designation. It is the designation that Brady is widely regarded as the greatest quarterback of all time. There are far more that say he is the greatest quarterback of all time, making this statement an accurate summary of the life and details of Tom Brady. Here are nine:

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Because other positions aren't comparable and because unlike the other three major sports, players are only on one side of the ball, "greatest quarterback of all time" is the more common designation. Bluerules (talk) 04:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Retirement

It's now official, can we alter it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingoArcher (talk • contribs) 14:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 February 2022

Tom Brady have now confirmed that he retires on Twitter today, 1. February 2021. Link: https://twitter.com/TomBrady/status/1488522498060824583 Rasmus1234551 (talk) 14:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

 Already done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Retired

He retired 149.152.212.243 (talk) 14:55, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Sold Brookline home

Brady sold his Brookline home in 2020. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/12/31/lifestyle/official-farewell-tom-bradys-sprawling-brookline-mansion-has-been-sold/

Tom Brady Retirement Year

The year on Tom Brady Retirement is wrong

Current Year : 2020-2021 Correct Year : 2020- 2022 2600:1702:2B30:30C0:891E:5FED:EB76:D1F5 (talk) 01:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Page photo

Now that Tom Brady is retired, the main photo of this page shoukd display him during his Patriot years. He spent the overwhelming majority of his career there. BruinsFan8574 (talk) 02:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I disagree. That picture of him in the WH looks better, more neutral between the two teams. Coltsfan (talk) 14:36, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I believe that the current Buccanneers photo (Tom Brady WFT-Buccaneers NOV2021 (cropped).jpg) used right now is the best option. The white house photo is way too blurry.--Righanred (talk) 15:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

The main photo should generally be the most recent - when Peyton Manning retired, his main photo was in a Broncos jersey. We'll get a better photo of Brady out of uniform in the coming years. Bluerules (talk) 18:29, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Given the choice between an equally high-quality photo of Buccaneers Brady and Patriots Brady, we should go with a photo of him on the Patriots (At least, until he demonstrates that he is still notable post-retirement, which is almost certainly bound to happen.) However, the Patriots photograph currently in use is of lower quality than the former Buccaneers one, and as such, I'd advocate to reverting to that image. -- Ekimo3631 (talk) 04:00, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Should be the New England photo. While the more neutral White House photo would be best, it is of poorer quality. Brady’s New England years are much more accomplished than his Tampa Bay years so it would make the most sense to use a New England picture. The current New England photo is good quality. Frank Anchor 04:34, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Ekimo that the Bucs photo should be used, however, I think we could could consider this photo:

a photo taken from the all pro reels flikr collection. This link is to a bunch of similar Brady images. https://www.flickr.com/photos/joeglo/albums/72157720234849437/page4

Perhaps a crop of this one would be better than the one of Brady running? --Righanred (talk) 18:49, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 February 2022

Change 2× NFL completion percentage leader (2007, 2010) to NFL completion percentage leader (2007) Mwatz122 (talk) 07:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done—Bagumba (talk) 11:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 February 2022 (2)

Change the picture of Tom Brady in the portrait image on the right side to a more selfie-esque picture. Zeirly (talk) 10:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Feel free to suggest a specific picture.—Bagumba (talk) 11:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended edit permission request

Requesting edit permissions so that I may update some stats in records category that require updating, as I have been contributing to such in good faith for several years now. FrostCzar (talk) 06:21, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@FrostCzar: The page currently has extended confirmed protection, which restricts editors with under 500 edits. In the interim, you can request edits by using {{Edit extended-protected}}.—Bagumba (talk) 06:44, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 February 2022

Change

• Most combined passing attempts: 13,081
• Most combined pass completions: 8,369
• Most combined touchdown passes: 707
• Most combined passing yards: 96,969
• Most game-winning drives: 67
• Most fourth-quarter comebacks: 51
• Most times sacked: 615

to

• Most combined passing attempts: 13,172
• Most combined pass completions: 8,428
• Most combined touchdown passes: 710
• Most combined passing yards: 97,569
• Most game-winning drives: 67
• Most fourth-quarter comebacks: 51
• Most times sacked: 622

FrostCzar (talk) 08:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:06, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Last sentence of introductory sentence

Saying Brady is “one of the greatest overall football players of all time” is an insult to his greatness. No one in their right mind thinks any other football player is better than Brady. Please simplify the unnecessarily long final sentence to read “Brady is widely regarded as the greatest football player of all time.” The debate has long been over. Why does this page constantly dance around this fact. 2600:1012:B10A:B48A:984C:D8FC:B324:344C (talk) 04:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Identifying some reliable sources that assess that he is "widely regarded as the greatest football player of all time" would end the debate. At worst, "some regard him as the greatest football player of all time" would be more accurate.—Bagumba (talk) 05:27, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand why there's so much contention towards identifying Brady "as the greatest quarterback of all time". Many consider the quarterback to be the most important player and by saying Brady is the greatest at football's most important position, that's automatically making a case for him as the greatest player. Bluerules (talk) 13:53, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Only calling him the greatest quarterback of all time is like calling Michael Jordan the greatest guard of all time, or Wayne Gretzky the greatest forward of all time. Tom Brady plays the sport of football, and is widely called the goat by every analyst out there. Asking for “sources” to confirm Brady’s obvious goat-ness is silly. A simple google search will reveal an endless list of articles and sources. Not mention the obvious source/fact, which are Brady’s career accolades, 7 rings, 5 sb mvps, all time leader in every significant stat—all of which are 3+ standard deviations above every nfl player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B16E:A52A:58BB:FB6D:4D8B:C916 (talk) 16:31, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

No, it isn't. Basketball guards and hockey forwards don't have the same reputation as football quarterbacks, which is considered the most scrutinized position in American sports. Sources generally focus on Brady's position because of his position's leadership role in football. Bluerules (talk) 19:06, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Verifiability is a basic policy here. If that's too silly, there's fan forums on the internet to shoot the breeze.—Bagumba (talk) 16:48, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

As for as sources, refer to the current cover of sports illustrated, which has a picture of Brady, with the giant word “Goat”. Please rewrite the last line to read “Brady is widely regarded as the greatest football player of all time.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fab184 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Does SI say that he is "widely regarded as the greatest football player", or is it just SI's opinion? We need multiple sources that conclude that it's a widely-held opinion. We can't just find a few that think he's the GOAT, and then say our work is done and call it "widely". That would be WP:OR.—Bagumba (talk) 17:10, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I understand, and that makes sense. Here is a recent article (2/2/22) from SI () in which Bill Belichick calls Brady the greatest player in NFL history, then in the third to last paragraph the article states "The 44-year-old finished his career widely regarded as the greatest football player of all time." Another article from pro football focus: final paragraph states "Brady, widely regarded as the greatest player in NFL history, is still leaving at the top of his game."() Here is another article (posted 2/1/22) from the well-reputable fivethirtyeight.com () that compares Brady to the GOATS of the other three main American sports--Jordan, Ruth, Gretzky--and concludes Brady is the GOAT of all them as well. Another from Sporting News () that calls him the "league's greatest player" in the opening sentence. Another from yahoo sports--opening sentence () Another from NPR--fourth paragraph (). I appreciate the care this site puts into these topics, and understand you have a job to uphold certain standards. If you would like more sources, let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fab184 (talk • contribs) 05:04, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

The NPR source does not say he's the "greatest player of all time". It says "the quarterback widely celebrated as the 'GOAT' — the greatest of all time" and also has a quote from the Glazer family saying "the greatest quarterback of all time". The FiveThirtyEight source does not "conclude Brady is the GOAT of all them as well"; it says "Brady has a very strong case for being the GOAT of GOATs" and "this debate will never be settled — nor should it be". Furthermore, it never directly refers to him as the greatest football player of all time, it also says he "is widely regarded as the greatest QB in NFL history". And the Sporting News article further backs the "greatest quarterback" consensus by saying he "didn't need to retire as the best quarterback in NFL history". That leaves four sources for the "greatest player" argument and three for the "greatest quarterback" argument. Here are eight additional sources for the "greatest quarterback" argument to move that number up to 11.

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Bluerules (talk) 09:12, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I provided multiple sources that refer to Brady being widely considered the greatest football player ever, and apparently the retort is to provide articles that "only" call him the Goat or greatest QB ever, as if that somehow hurts his case. Lol this is laughable. What is the magical number of sources needed here? I'd send youtube clips of literally every sports analyst not named Rob Parker calling him the greatest football player ever, but that would be a waste of time. It's obvious there's a couple people running this page who are not impartial to Brady's greatness and have some resentment toward him for who knows why. No one matter how many sources I cite, they'll find more sources of how certain articles call him just "The Goat" or "Greatest QB" so therefore he can't be called the greatest football player ever, as if anyone today, after his retirement, is making any arguments for any football player ever being greater than Brady. I've said my piece, but it's impossible to convince people who are clearly resentful toward the man and set on being right, instead of getting it right. Have a nice night, you win. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fab184 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

You provided four sources, one of which also calls him the "greatest quarterback". That's not enough for a consensus. The "greatest quarterback" sources outnumber the "greatest player" sources because "greatest quarterback" is the general consensus. The quarterback is considered the most important position in football and arguably the most important in all four major sports. Brady being considered the greatest at the most scrutinized position in sports speaks to his greatness better than calling him a generic "player" and that is why most sources identify him taking on the responsibility of quarterback. Bluerules (talk) 13:41, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2022

Tom Brady is the greatest Patriot of all time and the greatest NFL player of all time and I believe this wikis top-right image is not representative of what this figure represents for football fans in the US.

The image does not represent Brady's demeanor towards football by any means.

I am going to live a few options here that are far more iconic and representative of what Tom Brady stands for on a football field:

Super Bowl LI touchdown celebration One more from Super Bowl LI Super Bowl XLIX One more from Super Bowl XLIX

Super Bowl XLIX and LI are among Tom Brady's most iconic performances while the "LET'S F--KIN GO" is probably the most iconic in all of football and a very likely candidate pose for his statue outside Gillete Stadium. Please consider making an edit or allowing an edit so that the image better demonstrates the figure's impact on a football field. Anantoni13 (talk) 17:34, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:18, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't know about all the spouting, but the picture being used is a pretty poor pic. It's great as far as the view taken, but there has a to be better legal pics out there. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:24, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Picture

Can we please change the picture? Tom Brady during the national anthem is probably the worst picture ever. We need to replace it to one of the pictures mentioned above.SteelerFan1933 (talk) 03:15, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Please can you explain your objections to the photograph in the infobox. If you wish to propose a different photograph, please could you tell us which one you prefer and why you think it is more appropriate for the infobox.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:51, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

That's probably the best photo he's ever had on Wikipedia, no homo. Face of determination. --Somarain (talk) 01:27, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Can we add a line about Tom Brady having more Super Bowl victories than any franchise to the lede?

I think that feat is remarkable enough to warrant mention in the lede. Imagine if an NBA player had 18 championships, or if an MLB player had 28 World Series wins, or if an NHL player had 25 Stanley Cups. That's how bizarre one player having more success than any franchise is. It just hasn't happened in sports before Brady. I think it's worth emphasizing in the lede. --Somarain (talk) 01:30, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

TD-INT single season record

He’s held it since 2016, and seeing as it’s become such a popular stat it’s surprising it’s not listed under ‘NFL records’ 2600:4040:1290:BE00:1A5:73C6:B083:BCC4 (talk) 21:46, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Major records only in the infobox

Infobox with major records only

Infobox with all records

Tom Brady Brady with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2021 No. 12 – Tampa Bay Buccaneers Position: Quarterback Personal information Born: (1977-08-03) August 3, 1977 San Mateo, California Height: 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) Weight: 225 lb (102 kg) Career information High school: Junípero Serra (San Mateo, California) College: Michigan (1995–1999) NFL draft: 2000 / round: 6 / pick: 199 Career history New England Patriots (2000–2019) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2020–present) Career highlights and awards 7× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, LIII, LV) 5× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XLIX, LI, LV) 3× NFL Most Valuable Player (2007, 2010, 2017) 2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010) NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009) 3× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010, 2017) 3× Second-team All-Pro (2005, 2016, 2021) 15× Pro Bowl (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009–2018, 2021) 5× NFL passing touchdowns leader (2002, 2007, 2010, 2015, 2021) 4× NFL passing yards leader (2005, 2007, 2017, 2021) 2× NFL passer rating leader (2007, 2010) NFL completion percentage leader (2007) NFL 2000s All-Decade Team Unanimous NFL 2010s All-Decade Team Unanimous NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team Bert Bell Award (2007) Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year (2007) 2× Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2005, 2021) National champion (1997) NFL records Most NFL championships by player: 7 Most career passing yards: 84,520 Most career passing touchdowns: 624 Most career passing completions: 7,263 Longest touchdown pass: 99 yards (tied) Full list Career NFL statistics Passing attempts: 11,317 Passing completions: 7,263 Completion percentage: 64.2 TD–INT: 624–203 Passing yards: 84,520 Passer rating: 97.6 Player stats at PFR

Tom Brady Brady with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2021 No. 12 – Tampa Bay Buccaneers Position: Quarterback Personal information Born: (1977-08-03) August 3, 1977 San Mateo, California Height: 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) Weight: 225 lb (102 kg) Career information High school: Junípero Serra (San Mateo, California) College: Michigan (1995–1999) NFL draft: 2000 / round: 6 / pick: 199 Career history New England Patriots (2000–2019) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2020–present) Career highlights and awards 7× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, LIII, LV) 5× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XLIX, LI, LV) 3× NFL Most Valuable Player (2007, 2010, 2017) 2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010) NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009) 3× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010, 2017) 3× Second-team All-Pro (2005, 2016, 2021) 15× Pro Bowl (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009–2018, 2021) 5× NFL passing touchdowns leader (2002, 2007, 2010, 2015, 2021) 4× NFL passing yards leader (2005, 2007, 2017, 2021) 2× NFL passer rating leader (2007, 2010) NFL completion percentage leader (2007) NFL 2000s All-Decade Team Unanimous NFL 2010s All-Decade Team Unanimous NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team Bert Bell Award (2007) Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year (2007) 2× Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2005, 2021) National champion (1997) NFL records Most Super Bowl wins: 7 Most Super Bowl appearances: 10 Most Super Bowl MVPs: 5 Most career Super Bowl passing attempts: 421 Most career Super Bowl passing completions: 277 Most career Super Bowl passing touchdowns: 21 Most career Super Bowl passing yards: 3,309 Most career Super Bowl game-winning drives: 6 Most career playoff quarterback starts: 46 Most career playoff quarterback wins: 35 Most career playoff passing attempts: 1,801 Most career playoff passing completions: 1,135 Most career playoff passing touchdowns: 85 Most career playoff passing yards: 12,720 Most career playoff game-winning drives: 14 Most career quarterback starts: 316 Most career quarterback wins: 243 Most career passing attempts: 11,317 Most career passing completions: 7,263 Most career passing touchdowns: 624 Most career passing yards: 84,520 Most pass completions in a season: 485 Longest touchdown pass: 99 yards (tied) Career NFL statistics Passing attempts: 11,317 Passing completions: 7,263 Completion percentage: 64.2 TD–INT: 624–203 Passing yards: 84,520 Passer rating: 97.6 Player stats at PFR

​​​​​ There is a dispute about whether the infobox should have major records only. The old version has major records only, and there is a note in it NFL records <!--Major records only--> There was also a link marked All records. But on 12 February 2022 someone added all the records to it and deleted wikilinks to the major records.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:58, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Tom Brady UN retired

Changes must be made now he tweeted it out 47.157.236.115 (talk) 09:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Is it 40 or 41 days Tom was retired

Curious 47.157.236.115 (talk) 09:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)