Talk:Chelsea Manning

Changing "Administrative Segregation" to "Solitary Confinement" for all instances of the term

"Administrative segregation" is a synonymous euphemism for the practice of solitary confinement. The use of this term (In general, not only within its current placement in the article) is intended to soften and obfuscate the nature of Manning's treatment. Juan Mendez, former U.N. Special Rapporteur on Torture, has argued emphatically that solitary confinement is torture in publicly available documents such as this. The term "administrative segregation" is less widely known by the public than the term "solitary confinement" and thus is politically coded language that makes all uses of the term in the article less clear. Whenever you have two exactly synonymous terms, the only sensible course of action is to use the more widely understood term. The only argument that could possibly be made for using the lesser known of two identical terms is to present information in such a way which obscures the true nature of events.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:4600:86b0:dd0a:3a7c:7a59:a73b (talk) 01:42 15 April 2021 (UTC)

The prononouns/resume

Is there a rule why the pronoun "she" should be used to cover all the time before his/her transition? I mean, the common courtesy aside, in case of military personel this is relevant. It would make way more sense to refer to Manning as "him" until the official announcement of the transition and only henceforth as "her". Because surely the military authorities who hired him were not in a position to hire her etc.--Polska jest Najważniejsza (talk) 18:35, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

MOS:ID says not to do that. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

OK, the rules are pretty clear then, thanks. Nothing to dispute there, even tho I personally may disagree, well I gotta obey. Polska jest Najważniejsza (talk) 19:40, 26 November 2021 (UTC) strike sock Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Miacek

Date of arrest

This BLP states: Manning was arrested by the Army's Criminal Investigation Command,[171] on May 27, 2010, and transferred four days later to Camp Arifjan in Kuwait.[172]

• Reference 171 (June 6, 2010) reports, "At their second meeting with Lamo on May 27, FBI agents from the Oakland Field Office told the hacker that Manning had been arrested the day before [i.e., May 26] in Iraq by Army CID investigators."
• Reference 172 (June 16, 2010) says the soldier was arrested "at the end of May" but gives no exact date.

Thus, neither of the cited sources supports Wikipedia's arrest date of May 27, 2010.

In a story that we cite in reference to Manning's altercation with an intelligence analyst, The Guardian reports (May 27, 2011) "Manning's arrest on 29 May 2010."

In a story that we don't cite, CNN reports (July 29, 2013) that "Manning was arrested in Iraq on May 27, 2010."

Similarly, Rutgers University professor of English Richard E. Miller writes in his book On the End of Privacy: Dissolving Boundaries in a Screen-Centric World (University of Pittsburgh Press; 2019), "Manning was arrested on May 27, 2010."

Finally, in a primary source that I suppose we cannot cite but which I offer here strictly for information, the U.S. government's Second Superseding Indictment (June 24, 2020) of Julian Assange asserts (p. 9), "Manning was arrested on May 27, 2010."

As a newbie editor, I am at a loss as to how to properly document the arrest date with inline citations that clarify yet do not contradict the existing references. Please advise. Portewfik (talk) 14:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Relationship with Grimes

It's been reported recently that Chelsea Manning is now in a relationship with Grimes. This is mentioned in Grimes' infobox and article, but is not mentioned in this article at all. 150.107.175.208 (talk) 13:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

As I mentioned in an earlier edit comment, we should wait for a more reliable source than Page Six before adding this. Funcrunch (talk) 15:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2022

Pictures of Chelsea prior to transition were added, for example "Manning in 2009", this file also has the name "Bradley Manning", it's difficult to parse which edit added a non text entry (for me), but I believe that change could have been motivated by transphobia and ought to be removed, and similar photos questioned 2601:602:A000:7580:C98B:B26E:ED53:E3BF (talk) 00:00, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Photos are placed in appropriate placed, WP:Consensus would be required to remove these. Terasail^[✉️] 00:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Is the transition section really needed

Honestly, it just seems a little voyeuristic and non-notable. I'd like to hear other people's perspectives on this (especially trans people I guess; being trans myself it just seems really weird to include a battery of medical procedures and personal statements.)

Hmm... I think it could be edited into one succinct section discussing systemic treatment, cultural impact, and the like. But a year-by-year breakdown of everything that happened (especially in that format) seems excessive

2600:1700:9480:5D10:C51E:2AF5:1264:CD51 (talk) 07:17, 15 March 2022 (UTC) anonymous blowhard

Deadname

Including the name Chelsea was born with is unnecessary and highly disrespectful. Please remove it. 142.186.56.28 (talk) 05:29, 16 March 2022 (UTC)