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Massacre

Addition to category Category:Massacres committed by Israel was reverted with reason "not committed by Israel" when the lead clearly states "The Lebanese Forces were ordered by the IDF to clear Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) fighters out of Sabra and Shatila, as part of the IDF maneuvering into West Beirut. The IDF received reports of some of the Lebanese Forces atrocities in Sabra and Shatila but did not take any action to prevent or stop the massacre." So because they only ordered it they are not responsible, I guess? Selfstudier (talk) 21:52, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The first line of teh lead states "The Sabra and Shatila massacre (also known as the Sabra and Chatila massacre)[4][5] was the killing of between 460 and 3,500 civilians, mostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shiites, by the militia of Lebanese Forces, a Maronite Christian Lebanese right-wing party, It doesn't get any clearer than that. The IDF did not order a massacre. Inf-in MD (talk) 22:06, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More evidence from a book on the massacre

Quote from page 72 of book "From Beirut to Jerusalem" by Dr. Ang Swee Chai, c1989, as below: " I hoped that the sacrifice of two thousand four hundred Palestinians and Lebanese from Sabra and Shatila camp (this was the official Red Cross figure announced on 22 September, which was derived from an actual body count) would not go to waste... " Eunice2021 (talk) 08:52, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Revenge in the lead

The last sentence of the lead blames Israel for ignoring the danger of revenge, but "revenge" isn't mentioned anywhere else in the lead.

It seems to make sense to add a sentence, or partial sentence, to make it clear that this massacre was at least in part an act of retaliation and revenge.

From the article:

"Following the assassination of Lebanese Christian President Bachir Gemayel, the Phalangists sought revenge."

As for the timeline, Gemayel was assassinated on September 14, this massacred began just two days later.

Any objections?

-- Bob drobbs (talk) 03:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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"The Israeli Army surrounded Sabra and Shatila and stationed troops at the exits of the area to prevent camp residents from leaving and, at the request of the Lebanses Forces, fired illuminating flares at night."

Change "Lebanses" to "Lebanese". Scotty1141 (talk) 09:05, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. “WarKosign ” 09:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Elie Hobeika

There needs to be an emphasis on how Elie Hobeika's forces were the perpetrators throughout the text. The blame should not be put on the Lebanese Front organization collectively! Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:10, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Current list of perpetrators only includes “Lebanese Forces militia under Elie Hobeika”

Per UN commission findings cited in article, please change listing of perpetrators to include Israel, Mossad, and the Israeli Defence Forces. Pxsarkany (talk) 00:43, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 There needs to be an emphasis on how Elie Hobeika's forces were the perpetrators throughout the text. The blame should not be put on the [[Lebanese Front|Lebanese Front]] organization collectively! [[User:Prodrummer619|Prodrummer619]] ([[User talk:Prodrummer619|talk]]) 13:10, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
+== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 September 2022 ==
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+Current list of perpetrators only includes
+“Lebanese Forces militia under Elie Hobeika”
+Per UN commission findings cited in article, please change listing of perpetrators to include Israel, Mossad, and the Israeli Defence Forces. [[User:Pxsarkany|Pxsarkany]] ([[User talk:Pxsarkany|talk]]) 00:43, 11 September 2022 (UTC)