Talk:Technoblade

Sarcoma

I didn't think we needed a note pointing out that some sources say that he died of cancer without specifying it was sarcoma. Did Technoblade not say in his video announcing he had cancer in August 2021 and elaborate on his update about nearly having his arm amputated in December 2021 that he had sarcoma in his shoulder? Before anybody tells me that we rely on what news sources say, I'm aware of how Wikipedia works. However, if it's straight from him, I would say that's all we need as an uncontentious self-description and we don't need the note pointing out some sources just don't have the full story—just like some reported he died on June 30, when this was never said and is demonstrably untrue as Wilbur Soot stated in his Twitch stream several days following the public announcement that he was informed by Technoblade's family during Vidcon (June 22–25, 2022). (In short, I don't think that note is necessary either.)

Did the Sarcoma Foundation of America not acknowledge Technoblade as having died from it? I remember seeing that mentioned somewhere. Also, I hesitate to bring it up (again), but the California newspaper obituaries that some undesirables from the Minecraft streamer standom found during Vidcon, at least a full week before his death was announced to the public, not only stated that he died on June 10, but that his family asked people to donate to the Sarcoma Foundation in lieu of flowers. That being said, I'm not a cancer expert and I'm not aware if this might mean that cancer can start out as sarcoma but then become some other amorphous type of cancer if it becomes metastatic and a person dies from it.

I guess TL;DR I'm just trying to raise that the truth is out there, even if it's not from news sources (at least, the non-obituary stuff that I don't want to link to like a doxxer would), that would negate needing to point out with footnotes that some sources are just plain wrong. One of the man's closest friends telling 100,000 viewers he was informed of Technoblade's death during Vidcon 2022 makes me think we don't even need to point out some sources are wrong in assuming he had died the day his family decided to tell the public. Ss112 03:44, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

• If some sources put only his birth year and some put its exact date we would put the exact date. I don't understand how this is different. Betseg (talk) 04:02, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

• Verifiability, not truth. SWinxy (talk) 04:30, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

  I am aware of this essay, thank you. I myself have cited it multiple times in my 16 years as a Wikipedia editor, even if WP:V actually no longer makes it a point to say this itself. But as pointed out, it is verified in sources. It is just that they are either not the best news sources and, in the case of the Twitch stream I linked to, not a news source but a primary one. We in some cases still accept the sources I am talking about. I am trying to say we should not be lending credence to presumptuous news sources if we can prove with other sources that the news sources are demonstrably wrong. "A news source got this wrong, but we should still tell readers about it because it's a news source"? Ss112 05:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

It sounds like the issue here is that otherwise-reputable sources are publishing inaccurate information, and the available sources that can verify that such information is inaccurate are mostly self-published sources (either Technoblade himself or associated streamers), meaning the more-accurate sources are essentially disregarded by editors following WP:RS. The footnotes are there because editors are only looking at the disparities in what has been published in these reputable sources and are not exercising their judgment to weigh sources for accuracy. I personally think that deviating from WP:RS to include and cite self-published sources such as YouTube videos/streams by Technoblade and others associated with him would be appropriate for this specific article, but that would probably require opening an RFC to see if there's enough support for going that route.

FWIW, the Sarcoma Foundation of America did publish a press release where they stated that Technoblade was diagnosed with sarcoma. It looks like much of the reporting about Technoblade's passing missed his connections to the SFA; however, this NY Times article published four days ago discusses his fundraising for the SFA. I'd also take the recent NYT article as a sign that more similarly-detailed reporting will be eventually published in gaming media, which would allow the citations to news articles published immediately after the announcement of his passing to be updated and replaced. Musashi1600 (talk) 09:51, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@Musashi1600: Thank you for understanding what I was actually trying to get at and not citing essays or guidelines to me. Other reputable sources elaborating on his death in future is what I'm hoping for too. Ss112 23:46, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ss112: I would be open to the opening of an RfC to discuss this. I believe that there is definitely a debate that can be made for being able to include that he died of specifically sarcoma, which I think could be cited by all three sources if agreed upon (The NY Times first, the SFA press release second, and potentially a self-source third such as Wilbur's stream or Technoblade's video). Johnson524 (Talk!) 00:58, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry. Thought I had checked XTools and it saying you were relatively new. :F SWinxy (talk) 01:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@SWinxy: I still think I am relatively new to Wikipedia compared to some others in this talk, having only been on the site for a little more than five months, but I don't see why that's very important. Johnson524 (Talk!) 01:21, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I sometimes check XTools to see their edit count to gauge things—and for some reason I mistook Ss112 as someone with very few edits, which is why I responded the way I did. Had I realized Ss112 had 100x my edit count, I would have given more of a response. SWinxy (talk) 01:40, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Gotcha, sorry I thought you were responding to me 😅 Johnson524 (Talk!) 02:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Johnson524, @SWinxy, @Ss112, @Musashi1600: Allow me to join in with a less ephemeral self-published source: a blog post from an administrator of the Hypixel server Technoblade often visited (https://minikloon.com/blog/posts/osteosarcoma/). [Supplementing the Twitch stream source in case it heads south.] Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 02:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ss112: By the way, could you perhaps point us to the timestamp where WilburSoot says Technoblade was diagnosed with (and later died from) sarcoma from the stream VOD you linked? Would love to "clip it and ship it", so to speak (preserve that portion of the VOD in a permalink), since Twitch's stream VOD system is notorious for deleting VODs after a period of time—whether it becomes a citation is not my concern. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 17:47, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@RayDeeUx: Wilbur didn't say Technoblade died from sarcoma. I cited Wilbur as saying he was informed of Technoblade's death during Vidcon, because that was a week before it was revealed to the public and disproves any news reports assuming he died the same day as his family uploaded the "so long nerds" video. (Among other interesting things Wilbur reveals, like that in May of this year he and Technoblade were part of a Mr. Beast video that still hasn't been released, during which he remarked that he thought Technoblade seemed very energetic post-chemo and he thought he might be actually recovering, until subsequent times where he spoke to Technoblade during voice call and Technoblade would pause what he was saying to have a huge coughing fit, and in early June, where Technoblade told Wilbur he wouldn't be around long enough for Wilbur and Tommy to come visit him together and he believed cancer had "owned" him.) Ss112 08:57, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ss112 my mistake then. Let's backtrack to available sources re: "sarcoma vs cancer?" for now.

As for what Technoblade has said in his videos–any mention of his cancer between "where i've been" to "so long nerds" has never been specified as sarcoma:

- the auto-generated transcript in "where I've been" only mentions cancer (https://imgur.com/a/OEnXUMb),

- mentions of sarcoma according to the auto-generated transcript in "Minecraft But Viewers Control The Game [CHARITY EVENT]" weren't associated with Technoblade's own condition (https://imgur.com/a/m5lDk6O (Safari) / https://imgur.com/a/4tO7Wqe (Firefox)),

- no mentions of sarcoma were made in the auto-generated transcript for "I Almost Became An Amputee" (https://imgur.com/a/IwA9oew),

- the final note in "so long nerds" by Technoblade's mother only mentions "stage four cancer" and nothing further (https://imgur.com/a/zzvapF6),

- any other videos within that timeframe has not mentioned sarcoma within the video (https://imgur.com/a/DPyhWLW).

(Disclaimer: I have not conducted a search for "sarcoma" in the auto-generated transcripts in livestreams Technoblade has conducted since "where i've been" was uploaded (which he routinely marks unlisted and includes within a "Past Livestreams" playlist), but I wouldn't be surprised if he never specified the type of cancer he had in any of those livestreams either.)

That being said, this doesn't account for anything he's said outside his channel (ie during a Discord call while his friends were live on Twitch). And with Twitch's VOD system periodically deleting streams, what I consider to be our best bet(s) for reliable citations are the SFA press release, the self-published blog post on Minikloon's website (Minikloon being the Hypixel server administrator I mentioned on Monday), and/or a direct source.

TL;DR: Technoblade's channel alone does not have any evidence proving that Technoblade himself was diagnosed with sarcoma, and our only concrete source at the moment which complies with WP:RS is the SFA press release. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 12:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@RayDeeUx: Great, I wasn't sure but now I suppose we have an answer. What he did do was provide a fundraising link for the Sarcoma Foundation in one of his video descriptions. I don't see a reason he would have wanted people to raise money for research into that type of cancer specifically if what he had was not sarcoma. Why not bowel, lung, liver or any of the other many types of cancers? That being said, if you or another editor doesn't believe he died from sarcoma, great, go on believing we should follow news sources that don't know their arse from their elbow. Also, I know this wasn't targeted at me considering it was days before I started this thread, but I never said he, to use your sarcastic camel caps, "dIeD dUrInG vIdCoN" and nobody else should be saying that either, because that's not what Wilbur said. Wilbur only said he was informed of Technoblade's death then. I'm certain his family took their time to grieve, as they have every right to. I wouldn't be like one of these precious news sources this article and its regular editors insists on holding onto and assume things. Ss112 22:40, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@Johnson524, SWinxy, Ss112, and RayDeeUx: It looks like the above discussion has run its course, so if there aren't any objections, I intend to revise the article to say that Technoblade died of sarcoma (citing to the SFA press release) and referencing his fundraising for the SFA (citing to the NY Times article I linked above). I'll wait about 24 hours before making any changes to allow anyone to comment. Mahalo, Musashi1600 (talk) 10:17, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree with that 👍 Johnson524 (Talk!) 10:52, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Although I wasn't involved in the above discussion, I would agree with this too. QueenofBithynia (talk) 11:02, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! SWinxy (talk) 19:48, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

IPA pronunciation

Hi there, I've added a commented-out IPA pronunciation of the name "Technoblade" to the page. The transcription is /ˈtɛknoʊbleɪd/. I asked @Nardog to confirm its accuracy, which they confirmed as correct. However, Nardog also stated that they doubt whether a transcription is really needed per WP:LEADPRON. I'd like to get consensus on whether it is needed. If you have the time, please feel free to discuss. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 16:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

It is a concatenation of the word "techno" and "blade", which should make the pronunciation easy to infer. 0xDeadbeef 16:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

There's also the option of {{Respell|TECH|no|blade}} → TECH-no-blade, or something similar to that affect. SWinxy (talk) 19:15, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Per MOS:PRON, a respelling is to be used in addition to, not in place of, an IPA transcription (and it would be TEK-noh-blayd). Nardog (talk) 06:40, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Per WP:LEADPRON it seems really unnecessary to have the IPA pronunciation. It's techno and blade, two common English words which need no pronunciation guide themselves, so I don't think combining the two common English words renders the resulting word suddenly uncommon or unintelligible and in need of a pronunciation guide. - Aoidh (talk) 16:21, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I've altered {{Infobox YouTube personality}} to add a "pronunciation" field. Should I simply add the IPA to the infobox instead? I've already added it now, but if you also disagree with adding it to the infobox, feel free to revert. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 18:10, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't think it belongs in the infobox per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE - it should seek to summarize, not supplant information found in the article. Not opposed to seeing it in the lead or the body in general, but in this particular case IPA is probably overkill. Pilaz (talk) 00:19, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't really think it belongs there either for the same reason but (1) I'm not going to revert it because I don't feel that strongly about it and it's certainly not going to hurt the article being there while it's discussed and (2) maybe I'm blind but I don't think adding it to the infobox actually displays anything, because I don't see it on the actual infobox, though I do see it in the code itself. - Aoidh (talk) 00:29, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay then, I think I'll go with community consensus and forget about adding IPA to the Technoblade article. For one, @Pilaz reverted my edits to {{Infobox YouTube personality}}. I also find @SWinxy's proposal for a respelling template to be unnecessary. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 02:48, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2022

add at the end of the paragraph, TECHNOBADE ENVER DIES. His fans use it to support him. HIhi111111111 (talk) 23:31, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done Wikipedia is not a memorial site. Betseg (talk) 00:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Wrong date of birth

In the articel they claim that June 1st is Technoblades birthdate but other souces such as the wikipedia page for June 30th https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_30#1901%E2%80%93present_2 claim it to be june 30th. Susbedstain (talk) 22:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Was very tired when i wrote this and i did not notice that it was under deaths '_' Susbedstain (talk) 22:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

@Susbedstain: You're all good 🙂 Johnson524 (Talk!) 23:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

image of alexander (i.e. irl photograph)

technodad has posted many photos, stories, and other information regarding his son on reddit, and according to Answer 2 at the top of the talk page...

A2: Wikipedia does not want to use images that are not free. There are certain exceptions, but until someone who has a photo of Alexander releases a photo of his face, the article's photo will remain as his YouTube channel logo.

So would the pictures on reddit qualify to be posted in the infobox, or at least in a gallery section at the end?

for example, the appearance photo on wikitubia, with alex/techno as a best man at a wedding would be a good irl photo to add?

cory (talk) 21:22, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't think so since his dad would own the copyright (Even if he never explicitly says it). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:30, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

By until someone who has a photo of Alexander releases a photo of his face it means "releases it under a compatible license" not "releases it onto the internet", because there's still a copyright on the photo unless specifically released under an appropriate license. - Aoidh (talk) 21:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Change some things.

Change "In another series of videos, beginning with "The Great Potato War", he tried to gather the highest amount of potatoes in the Hypixel minigame Skyblock. to "In another trilogy of videos, beginning with "The Great Potato War", he tried to gather the highest collection of potatoes in Hypixel Skyblock.

It feels wrong to call Skyblock a minigame, as it is Hypixel's most popular gamemode by far. 2603:8081:8900:55FC:F4CB:DF8C:6BF8:5293 (talk) 15:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)